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==== Category:Users who drives an Isuzu Axiom ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''delete'''. [[User:Angusmclellan|Angus McLellan]] [[User talk:Angusmclellan|(Talk)]] 18:04, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
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*'''Delete''' as I doubt anyone but him actually drives one of these. [[User:Nardman1|Nardman1]] 00:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
**Other items created by this user up for deletion [[Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2007_April_7|here]] and [[Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:LegoAxiom1007/My_templates|here]] [[User:Nardman1|Nardman1]] 02:55, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Speedy Delete''' this user who started this template was indefinitely blocked the same day he created this. [[User:AniMate|AniMate]] 02:27, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Speedy Del''' per nom's research. — <span style="text-decoration: none;">[[User:RevRagnarok|<font color="#696969">RevRagnarok</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:RevRagnarok |Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/RevRagnarok|Contrib]]</sup></span> 14:28, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
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==== Category:Terrorists by nationality ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''Keep.'''. [[User:Hemlock Martinis|Hemlock Martinis]] 01:23, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
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:*{{lc|Sri Lankan terrorists}}
:*{{lc|United Arab Emirati terrorists}}
{{{3|[[Wikipedia:Overcategorization#Subjective_inclusion_criterion]]. Terrorist by nationality is entirely subjective. --<small> [[User:Cool Cat|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:Cool Cat|chi?]]</sup> 22:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC)}}}
:Added [[:Category:Terrorists]] per request --<small> [[User:Cool Cat|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:Cool Cat|chi?]]</sup> 10:17, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
* '''Delete all''' per nom. [[User:Baristarim|Baristarim]] 23:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep all''' These people need to be grouped together, just like any other occupational group. [[User:AshbyJnr|AshbyJnr]] 23:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
**Convince me that this is an [[occupation]]. [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] 01:56, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
***Suicide bombing is really a one time/day only experience. That surely cant be a job. :) --<small> [[User:Cool Cat|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:Cool Cat|chi?]]</sup> 17:59, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete all''' subjective category.--[[User:Jersey Devil|Jersey Devil]] 23:58, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Strong Keep all''' The [[:Category:Terrorists]] contains the WP definition of terrorist which can used for any article being placed in these categories. <s> Elimination of the categories will not make the terrorists go away, but it will sure help keep them undercover. Terrorists are well known in current affairs and need to be identified as such.</s> [[User:Hmains|Hmains]] 03:39, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
*:Huh? The what? You can still mention who considers who a terrorist on there respective articles. Wikipedia is not [[Interpol]]. --<small> [[User:Cool Cat|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:Cool Cat|chi?]]</sup> 17:59, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
*:If the articles are true and the contents of the aticles acceptable for WP, why not categories? In all cases in WP, categories have the purpose of grouping similar articles together. Why make exceptions here? [[User:Hmains|Hmains]] 02:47, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
*:Also this is not about a belief or intent, it is about people categorized by their criminal action as seen by the criminal category to which this category belongs. [[User:Hmains|Hmains]] 15:53, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
*::''Categories appear without annotations, so be careful of NPOV when creating or filling categories. Unless it is self-evident and uncontroversial that something belongs in a category, it should not be put into a category. A list might be a better option.'' from [[Wikipedia:Categorization]]. Thats why. --<small> [[User:Cool Cat|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:Cool Cat|chi?]]</sup> 10:16, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
*::We can have a category for people who have been convicted as terrorists in a court, that would be a perfectly valid, objective criterion which I doubt anyone would oppose. Also, in articles we can (and should) write that "such and such considers ... a terrorist", and that is perfectly fine and NPOV. A single category, or indeed any reasonable number of categories, cannot convey this properly. At best we'd need something like "People who are considered terrorists by someone", and then sure enough, we'll end with Bush, Saddam, Mao Ze Dong and God knows who else there very soon. [[User:Int19h|-- int19h]] 13:55, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Strong Keep all''' - please, there is no need to be PC about this. This is a very useful category. One ''might'' argue that it's too subjective, but a perusal of the subjects shows no such problems. [[User:Patstuart|Patstuart]]<sup>[[User_talk:Patstuart|talk]]·[[Special:contributions/Patstuart|edits]]</sup> 02:55, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
*:Al-quida delcared George W. Bush a terrorist. Should he be in that category? --<small> [[User:Cool Cat|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:Cool Cat|chi?]]</sup> 09:53, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
*::Like I said, the so far mentioned ones aren't controversial. George Bush would be in that category controversially. By your reasoning, we should include Christians under the category [[:Category:Judaism]] because it claims to be the "true Judaism". Sorry, PC won't work here. [[User:Patstuart|Patstuart]]<sup>[[User_talk:Patstuart|talk]]·[[Special:contributions/Patstuart|edits]]</sup> 22:31, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
*:::It may be non-controversial to you and me (that he isn't classified as terrorist) but I am sure lots of people in the middle east - especially in Iraq might disagree. I know nothing about Christianity - Judaism dispute so I can't comment there. --<small> [[User:Cool Cat|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:Cool Cat|chi?]]</sup> 10:11, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep, as always.''' If these categories survive, I propose a two-month ban on nominations of these categories for deletion. We can't keep having no consensus result of the same debate every two weeks.--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 07:36, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete all''' - per nom [[User:SatuSuro|Satu]][[User talk:SatuSuro|Suro]] 09:06, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
*:Um, [[WP:JUSTAVOTE]]. Can we get a reason? [[User:Patstuart|Patstuart]]<sup>[[User_talk:Patstuart|talk]]·[[Special:contributions/Patstuart|edits]]</sup> 22:32, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' all as essential primary defining categories, as per all the previous discussions on these categories. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] 09:42, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep as necessary subdivision of [[:Category:Terrorists]]''' Note that Terrorists by nationality is a natural subdividing scheme for [[:Category:Terrorists]]. The questions of subjectivity in the definition of what is or isn't a terrorist need to be dealt with at that parent category's level, not in this subdivision. Note that [[:Category:Terrorists]] has gone through multiple cfd reviews and is still here. So until such time as that category is actually removed, this by-nationality subdivision is needed. [[User:Dugwiki|Dugwiki]] 16:35, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
*:If this is deleted that one will also go. I am sorry, I did not scan every artile of the usage of terrorist related categories and missed that one. --<small> [[User:Cool Cat|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:Cool Cat|chi?]]</sup> 10:13, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' per Dugwiki. Terrorists by nationality isn't any more subjective than [[:Category:Terrorists]], and since that's still around (and not included in this nomination), no reason to delete by nationality categories. [[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 22:25, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete all''', the entire category is too subjective, and any addition to it is inherently POV. This naturally applies to all subcats. Also note that there is an ongoing dispute on some inclusions in the category, so its present content is certainly not uncontroversial. What we need instead is something like "People convicted of terrorism", and possibly "People recognized as terrorists by one or more states". Just like we got rid of the "War criminals" category in favour of "People convicted of war crimes". [[User:Int19h|-- int19h]] 13:49, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' as per all the previous discussions. Only a small fraction of terrorists are ever convicted. I don't believe Osama bin Laden has been convicted for example, and he probably never will be. [[User:Honbicot|Honbicot]] 20:43, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:*True, but what other ''objective'' criterion can we use for a category? [[User:Int19h|-- int19h]] 06:50, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
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==== Category:Organisations in Gloucestershire ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''rename''' [[:Category:Organisations in Gloucestershire]] to [[:Category:Organisations based in Gloucestershire]]. [[User:Angusmclellan|Angus McLellan]] [[User talk:Angusmclellan|(Talk)]] 18:07, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Organisations in Gloucestershire]] to [[:Category:Organisations based in Gloucestershire]]
:'''Nominator's Rationale:''' {{{3|'''Rename''', same reasons as item below, and to match [[:Category:Organisations based in England]]. [[User:Hawkestone|Hawkestone]] 19:51, 6 April 2007 (UTC)}}}
:'''Rename''' per nom. [[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|cont]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|bio]])</small> 21:39, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
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==== Category:Organisations in Hampshire ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''merge''' [[:Category:Organisations in Hampshire]] into [[:Category:Organisations based in Hampshire]]. [[User:Angusmclellan|Angus McLellan]] [[User talk:Angusmclellan|(Talk)]] 18:08, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:[[:Category:Organisations in Hampshire]] to [[:Category:Organisations based in Hampshire]]
*'''Merge''' in line with the convention that organisations are categorised by where they are based, not to all places where they operate. [[User:Hawkestone|Hawkestone]] 19:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' per nom. [[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|cont]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|bio]])</small> 21:40, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
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==== Category:Prisoners currently under death sentence ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''merge''' [[:Category:Prisoners currently under death sentence]] to [[:Category:Prisoners sentenced to death]]. [[User:Angusmclellan|Angus McLellan]] [[User talk:Angusmclellan|(Talk)]] 18:09, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:[[:Category:Prisoners currently under death sentence]] to [[:Category:Prisoners sentenced to death]]
*'''Merge'''. There are only 4 articles in the awkwardly-titled [[:Category:Prisoners currently under death sentence]], and any differences in the prisoners' legal status aren't readily apparent. [[User:Strangerer|Strangerer]] <small>([[User_talk:Strangerer|Talk]])</small> 18:21, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge'''. The user who made this probably just didn't know about the other category. <span style="white-space: nowrap">— [[User:Coelacan|coe<span style="font-variant: small-caps">l</span>]][[User talk:Coelacan|acan]]</span> — 18:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' with the same AGF Coelacan pointed out. — <span style="text-decoration: none;">[[User:RevRagnarok|<font color="#696969">RevRagnarok</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:RevRagnarok |Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/RevRagnarok|Contrib]]</sup></span> 19:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
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==== Category:Theta Delta Chi brothers ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''delete'''. [[User:Angusmclellan|Angus McLellan]] [[User talk:Angusmclellan|(Talk)]] 18:10, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:{{lc|Theta Delta Chi brothers}}<br/>
{{{3|'''Delete''' Another fraternity category for deletion as non-defining, per numerous precedents. [[User:Haddiscoe|Haddiscoe]] 17:41, 6 April 2007 (UTC)}}}
*'''Delete''' - We already decided not to use this categorization scheme. I can cut and paste my previous comments if necessary. [[User:Dr. Submillimeter|Dr. Submillimeter]] 18:13, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] 09:43, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Choalbaton|Choalbaton]] 20:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
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==== Category:Hawaiian culture====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''rename''' [[:Category:Hawaiian culture]] to [[:Category:Hawaii culture]]. [[User:Angusmclellan|Angus McLellan]] [[User talk:Angusmclellan|(Talk)]] 18:12, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:{{lc|Hawaiian culture}}<br/>
{{{3|'''Rename''' to match the other subcategories of [[:Category:American culture by state]]. [[User:Lesnail|Lesnail]] 16:04, 6 April 2007 (UTC)}}}
*'''Rename to [[:Category:Hawaii culture]]''' - The category should be renamed to patch the other categories for culture in U.S. states. Note that "Hawaiian" in this case refers to the state and not the ethnic group, as the category contains articles that are indirectly related or unrelated to the ethnic group (e.g. [[List of films set in Hawaii]], [[Society of Seven]], and [[Honolulu Academy of Arts]]). (Someone wrote an article on [[Society of Seven]]? How tacky.) [[User:Dr. Submillimeter|Dr. Submillimeter]] 18:13, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Rename to [[:Category:Hawaii culture]]''', for consistency. <span style="white-space: nowrap">— [[User:Coelacan|coe<span style="font-variant: small-caps">l</span>]][[User talk:Coelacan|acan]]</span> — 20:27, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
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==== Category:Racehorse births by year ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''keep'''. [[User:Angusmclellan|Angus McLellan]] [[User talk:Angusmclellan|(Talk)]] 18:13, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Racehorse births by year]] to [[:Category:Racehorse births by century]]
:'''Nominator's Rationale:''' {{{3|'''Rename''', since indeed this is not a category of births by year, but instead by century. [[User:Lesnail|Lesnail]] 15:50, 6 April 2007 (UTC)}}}
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*'''Commment''' I don't think the proposal is correct, but I don't think it should stay the way it is. [[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|cont]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|bio]])</small> 21:42, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' The current scheme here is the same as that used in the [[:Category:Births by year]] subcats.--[[User:After Midnight|After Midnight]] <sup><small>[[User talk:After Midnight|0001]]</small></sup> 03:17, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
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==== Category:Famous street furniture ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''no consensus'''. [[User:Hemlock Martinis|Hemlock Martinis]] 01:29, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
:{{lc|Famous street furniture}}<br/>
{{{3|This category is not NPOV – [[User:Ilse@|Ilse]][[User talk:Ilse@|@]] 15:24, 6 April 2007 (UTC)}}}
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*'''Keep but rename in the same way that [[:Category:Famous animals]] is renamed''' - The term "famous" is a poor choice of words, but these individual articles are about "special" street furniture (e.g. [[Mojave phone booth]]). They should not be grouped with "ordinary" street furniture (e.g. [[phone booth]]). A similar discussion is being held on renaming [[:Category:Famous animals]] (which is about "special" animals and not "ordinary" animals"). I suggest renaming this category in the same way that the other category is renamed. [[User:Dr. Submillimeter|Dr. Submillimeter]] 18:08, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Oppose Merge''' for now. Most of the items in the parent are generic in nature. At least one in this category, [[Mojave phone booth]], achieved a kind of cult status and should not be included in with the general terms. I suppose following the previous consensus and using [[:Category:Individual street furniture]] could work. However it probably may not apply to the other two items in this subcat. I also find the parents name [[:Category:Street furniture]] kind of odd. never heard that term in the US. I do support a '''Rename''' of some kind. [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] 19:23, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' to [[:Category:Street furniture]]. There are almost no articles about individual [http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=street+furniture street furniture], so for now merging will do. – [[User:Ilse@|Ilse]][[User talk:Ilse@|@]] 17:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep and Rename''' per [[User:Dr. Submillimeter|Dr. Submillimeter]]. --[[User:Rimshots|'''<font color="#333377">rimshots</font>''']]<sup>''[[User talk:Rimshots|talk]]''</sup> 13:58, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
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==== Category:Roald Dahl ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''Delete'''. [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] 04:37, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
:{{lc|Roald Dahl}}<br/>
{{{3|'''Delete''' -- Except in very rare cases, categories for individual people are not a good idea. I don't think this is one of those rare cases. Roald Dahl is not any more notable than hundreds of other writers. [[User:Lesnail|Lesnail]] 15:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)}}}
*'''Delete''' per [[WP:OCAT]]. -- [[User:Sam|Sam]]<nowiki>uel Wan</nowiki>[[User talk:SamuelWantman|t]]<nowiki>man</nowiki> 06:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. No need for a category for the name article plus subcats that are already part of other, better category trees. [[User:Otto4711|Otto4711]] 22:24, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' useful supercat for the two subcats within it. And those subcats are useful as well. [[User:Patstuart|Patstuart]]<sup>[[User_talk:Patstuart|talk]]·[[Special:contributions/Patstuart|edits]]</sup> 02:58, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
:Neither subcat would be orphaned if this category were deleted. Books by author subcats usually don't get put in an eponymous category for the author. These categories add little or no utility. -- [[User:Sam|Sam]]<nowiki>uel Wan</nowiki>[[User talk:SamuelWantman|t]]<nowiki>man</nowiki> 07:23, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''; the two subcats can be linked from the [[Roald Dahl]] article without need for a separate category. --[[User:Lquilter|lquilter]] 20:43, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per Lesnail and Sam. [[User:Captain panda|<font color="orange" face="comic sans ms">Captain</font>]] [[User talk:Captain panda|<font color="red" face="Papyrus">panda</font>]] 02:31, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Strong Keep''' - an eponymous and highly popular English writer, who popularity travels outside the UK occasionally but still rates in the top ten English children's writers within the UK some 20+ years after his death. More popular today on UK book sales charts than many other well known globalised English writers, and an essential piece of reading for every junior school kid. Rgds, - [[User:Trident13|Trident13]]
:*His popularity or how well known he may be is not the issue. The issue is whether or not there is substantial material related to the subject which can not be easily interlinked through the main article and each other. In this case, there is nothing in the ctageory which is not extensively interlinked with the other articles in the category so the eponymous category serves no purpose as a navigational hub. [[User:Otto4711|Otto4711]] 05:50, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
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==== Category:UEFA Euro 2008 player ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''delete'''. [[User:Angusmclellan|Angus McLellan]] [[User talk:Angusmclellan|(Talk)]] 18:26, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:{{lc|UEFA Euro 2008 player}}<br/>
{{{3|'''Delete'''. This category would be
Given that squads for the finals are not confirmed until over a year from now, assuming any player will play breaches [[WP:Crystal]]. Current regular players for the two
While the category itself passes WP:Crystal, it will not have any valid contents until May 2008 and so would qualify for speedy deletion. It would of course be re-created in a years time when squad lists are announced. [[User:Caledonian Place|Caledonian Place]] 14:28, 6 April 2007 (UTC)}}}
*'''Delete''' - until the rosters are set there is no objective criteria for inclusion. --[[User:After Midnight|After Midnight]] <sup><small>[[User talk:After Midnight|0001]]</small></sup> 14:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - This is indeed a crystal ball category. [[User:Dr. Submillimeter|Dr. Submillimeter]] 18:03, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' But not because of the crystal ball argument, which is made in error, as the category is being used for players who have appeared in the qualifying stage of UEFA Euro 2008, which is just as much part of the competition as the finals. However, imo all by tournament categories are unnecessary category clutter. [[User:ReeseM|ReeseM]] 01:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
:'''Comment''': At this moment the category contains players of Austria and Switzerland, the hosts and only current qualifiers, and so thus only contains players who '''have not''' played in the qualifying stage. Also the precedent in [[:Category:UEFA European Football Championship players]] is to list in the category only those players who played at the finals, not in the qualifying stage. [[User:Caledonian Place|Caledonian Place]] 01:46, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. [[User:ArtVandelay13|ArtVandelay13]] 14:56, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
*<small>This discussion has been included in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Football|WikiProject Football]]'s list of football (soccer) related deletions. [[User:ArtVandelay13|ArtVandelay13]] 14:56, 9 April 2007 (UTC)</small>
*'''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Tooga|Tooga]] 15:00, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' Not needed at this time. -- [[User:Mattythewhite|Mattythewhite]] 15:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as per above & [[WP:CRYSTAL]]. [[User:Qwghlm|Qwghlm]] 15:17, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' As everyone else, way too soon to be doing this, even if it had been left blank. But then adding some Austrian and Swiss players who might not even appear in Euro 2008 because of injuries, and/or not even being picked by their national squad, just seems totaly pointless. [[User:Tangerines|<font color="darkorange">'''''♦Tangerines BFC ♦'''''</font>]]·<small>[[User_talk:Tangerines|Talk]]</small> 15:41, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' [[User:Matthew_hk|<span style="color:yellow; background-color:black;">Matthew_hk</span>]] [[User talk:Matthew_hk|''<font color="Blue">t</font>'']][[Special:Contributions/Matthew_hk|''<font color="red">c</font>'']] 18:05, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', bad idea. When "recreated" in June 2008 it should bear a proper name. [[User:Punkmorten|Punkmorten]] 18:14, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. '''[[User:Asics|<span style="font-family:impact;"><span style="background:black;color:aqua">Asics </span></span>]]'''<small>[[User talk:Asics|<span style="background:black;color:aqua">talk </span>]]</small><sup>[[Wikipedia:Editor review/Asics|<span style="color:Black;">Editor review!</span>]]</sup> 14:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
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==== Lists of Celebrities (Chinese Zodiac) and subcategories ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''delete all'''. [[User:Angusmclellan|Angus McLellan]] [[User talk:Angusmclellan|(Talk)]] 18:30, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
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*'''Comment''' this would be a defining characteristic for East Asians only... the same way that in Japan, blood type would be a defining characteristic. [[User:70.55.90.106|70.55.90.106]] 02:26, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete all''' This is not a primary defining characteristic anywhere, and nor is blood group. Some people may have superstitious beliefs that they are defining, but those beliefs have no place in an encyclopedia built on reason. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] 09:45, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - It's actually not quite redundant of births by year because births by year uses Western calendar, not Chinese, among other reasons ... but we ought not categorize by astrological signs because these are not (objectively) defining characteristics. --[[User:Lquilter|lquilter]] 20:45, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Brit Awards]]====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''Rename'''. [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] 04:45, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
:'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Brit Awards]] to [[:Category:BRIT Awards]]
:'''Nominator's Rationale:''' '''Rename''', BRIT is an acronym for the British Record Industry Trust as the main [[BRIT Awards]] page states. Every other instance includes BRIT as a capitalized word. This could also be confused with the shortened form of "British". <font color=royalblue font style=italic face="Trebuchet MS">[[User:Timclare|<font color="#C71585">'''''Timclare''''']] [[User talk:Timclare|<font color=#999 face="comic sans ms"><sup>(talk)</sup></font>]] [[User:Timclare/Autographs|<font color=Royal Navy face="Trebuchet MS"><sub>(sign here)</sub></font>]]</font color> 13:51, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
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:'''Nominator's Rationale:''' '''Rename''', BRIT is an acronym for the British Record Industry Trust as the main [[BRIT Awards]] page states. Every other instance includes BRIT as a capitalized word. This could also be confused with the shortened form of "British". <font color=royalblue font style=italic face="Trebuchet MS">[[User:Timclare|<font color="#C71585">'''''Timclare''''']] [[User talk:Timclare|<font color=#999 face="comic sans ms"><sup>(talk)</sup></font>]] [[User:Timclare/Autographs|<font color=Royal Navy face="Trebuchet MS"><sub>(sign here)</sub></font>]]</font color> 13:48, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:'''Rename''' per nom. [[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|cont]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|bio]])</small> 21:45, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep Both''' [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6268759.stm The Beeb] calls them Brit Awards, as do [http://www.amazon.co.uk/Brit-Awards-1998-Oasis/dp/B00004RJA5 Amazon] and [http://www.google.com/search?q=%22brit+awards%22 many other sources]. If it is not clear which version to use, [[MoS:TM|normal capitalization rules]] should be followed. In this case, that means ''Brit Awards''. As for confusion with a shortened form of British: well, that is obviously intended by the name's creators. Also, the Brit awards go by the longer name of Britannia Music Awards [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0815119/][http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/belleandsebastian/articles/story/5925512/rule_britannia]. --[[User:Rimshots|'''<font color="#333377">rimshots</font>''']]<sup>''[[User talk:Rimshots|talk]]''</sup> 16:39, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per nom - the [http://brits.co.uk/ BRIT Awards] use all caps and we should go by what the actual awards use. [[User:Otto4711|Otto4711]] 04:03, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
:* The guidelines specifically say ''Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules even if the trademark owner encourages special treatment''. The only exception is where the capitalized form is common usage. Outside the official Brit Awards site, there is hardly anyone who calls them BRIT Awards. --[[User:Rimshots|'''<font color="#333377">rimshots</font>''']]<sup>''[[User talk:Rimshots|talk]]''</sup> 12:40, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
::*But this is not a question of the trademark owner "encouraging special treatment." This is a case of an acronym, which is properly capitalized. [[User:Otto4711|Otto4711]] 13:59, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
:::*What I tried to point out was that it is not as clearly an acronym as one might think. It is more properly an abbreviation refashioned as an acronym, a [[backronym]] if you will. Looks like the vote is headed the other way now, though. I cannot say that it really bothers me, BRIT Awards is awkward but certainly not incorrect. --[[User:Rimshots|'''<font color="#333377">rimshots</font>''']]<sup>''[[User talk:Rimshots|talk]]''</sup> 11:43, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per nom. It's an acronym, even if not always treated as such. — <span style="text-decoration: none;">[[User:RevRagnarok|<font color="#696969">RevRagnarok</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:RevRagnarok |Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/RevRagnarok|Contrib]]</sup></span> 14:27, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per nom. It's an acronym. Rgds, - [[User:Trident13|Trident13]]
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==== Category:Characters in the Worm Ouroboros ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''Rename'''. [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] 04:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
:'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Characters in the Worm Ouroboros]] to [[:Category:The Worm Ouroboros characters]]
:'''Nominator's Rationale:''' {{{3|'''Rename''', Simpler category name. [[User:CyberSkull|Dread Lord CyberSkull]] [[User talk:CyberSkull|✎☠]] 04:30, 6 April 2007 (UTC)}}}
*'''Rename''' as per nom. and convention of [[:Category:Characters in written fantasy]]. --[[User:Rimshots|'''<font color="#333377">rimshots</font>''']]<sup>''[[User talk:Rimshots|talk]]''</sup> 16:38, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
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==== Category:Films Depicting Non-Fictional US Presidents ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''delete'''. [[User:David Kernow|David Kernow]] <span style="font-size:90%;">[[User talk:David Kernow|(talk)]]</span> 13:10, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Films Depicting Non-Fictional US Presidents]] to [[:Category:UNKNOWN]]
:'''Nominator's Rationale:''' {{{3|'''Rename'''. Aside from routine capitalization work, "United States" could probably be expanded, and there's got to be a better way to phrase this. And what about scope? (Currently one film in which a real president seems to only play a peripheral role is already included.) [[User:Unint|Unint]] 02:00, 6 April 2007 (UTC)}}}
*'''Delete''' - This is the categorization of films by character, which would appear to lead to category clutter. (Imagine an endless stream of similar categories: Films depicting non-fictional reporters, films depicting non-fictional businessmen, films depicting non-fictional actors, films depicting Santa Claus, etc) Moreover, non-fictional presidents are depicted so frequently and in so many different time periods (between the American Revolution and the present) that this category does not seem like it would bring together related films. For example, both [[1776 (musical)]] and [[The Pink Panther Strikes Again]] could both be placed in this category. [[User:Dr. Submillimeter|Dr. Submillimeter]] 08:32, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Rename'''/Keep. I'll probably be in the minority here but I think this is an interesting category for study, considering the profile of the subject matter at hand. As for the rename possibilities: Films depicting Presidents of the United States./United States' Presidents...hmm--[[User:Keefer4|Keefer4]] | [[User talk:Keefer4|Talk]] 10:33, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - this category is hopelessly broad; taken literally, it would include not just biopics on presidents, but any film in which a depiction of a real president played a peripheral role, or even (conceivably) any film in which a president's voice was heard on the radio in the background. Alternatively, '''rename''' to something along the lines of "Biographical films about non-fictional Presidents of the United States". <
*'''Delete''' per [[User:Dr. Submillimeter|Dr. Submillimeter]] . [[User:Haddiscoe|Haddiscoe]] 12:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per above and also how large a role would be needed to "depict"? --[[User:After Midnight|After Midnight]] <sup><small>[[User talk:After Midnight|0001]]</small></sup> 15:14, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per Dr. S [[User:Lesnail|Lesnail]] 15:25, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per S. [[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|cont]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|bio]])</small> 21:47, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' we should have a category which says <nowiki>[[Category:Films depicting non-fictional characters]]</nowiki>.
*'''Delete''' as per [[WP:DNWAUC]] --<small> [[User:Cool Cat|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:Cool Cat|chi?]]</sup> 18:09, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
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==== Category:People with diabetes ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''delete'''. [[User:David Kernow|David Kernow]] <span style="font-size:90%;">[[User talk:David Kernow|(talk)]]</span> 13:09, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
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{{{3|A different nomination for this category, after Herostratus's recent close "[[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 March 26#Category:Diabetics|with no prejudice against an immediate renomination to Delete]]". This was previously "Category:Diabetics" and the renaming was sensible, but I believe it is more sensible to simply delete. A plurality of !voters agreed last time, but there were three proposals on the table. Let's see if there's a consensus to delete, now. '''Rationale''': This is not a defining way to categorize people. It's on the level with "people who have had heart attacks". Some medical conditions are particularly notable. Wilford Brimley's eccentric pronounciation aside, diabetes is not a defining aspect of what makes a person notable. As Dr. Submillimeter said before, "''If people want a category for diabetes activists, then a [[:Category:Diabetes activists]] would be appropriate.''" I believe this category is [[WP:OCAT]]. I am not proposing the subcategory for deletion; [[:Category:Deaths from diabetes]] is also a subcategory of [[:Category:Deaths by type of illness]] and so would not be orphaned, and I've made it a subcategory of [[:Category:Diabetes]] already too. But this category, for people who simply ''have'' diabetes, is non-defining categorization and we should '''delete'''. <span style="white-space: nowrap">— [[User:Coelacan|coe<span style="font-variant: small-caps">l</span>]][[User talk:Coelacan|acan]]</span> — 01:32, 6 April 2007 (UTC)}}}
:*'''Delete''' - [[WP:BLP]] issues as well.<b>[[User:Bakasuprman|<
*'''Delete''' - Also, as I stated before, people are not notable for having diseases but are instead notable for other activities. Therefore, categorization by disease is inappropriate. [[User:Dr. Submillimeter|Dr. Submillimeter]] 08:34, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - Therefore, also delete [[:Category:HIV-positive people]], although I haven't studied any possible previous CFDs on that one, if any.--[[User:Keefer4|Keefer4]] | [[User talk:Keefer4|Talk]] 10:36, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per [[WP:OC]] criterion 1 (non-defining or trivial characteristic). Diabetes isn't generally what makes a person notable, or a defining theme of their life. <
*'''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Haddiscoe|Haddiscoe]] 12:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' -- Having certain very rare diseases may make someone notable in itself, but having diabetes is not notable, nor is it a defining characteristic. [[User:Lesnail|Lesnail]] 15:21, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' Having argued long ago in one CfD to delete this altogether, then settled for renaming during another CfD, I must support this nomination per above. The three-way argument (delete-rename-keep) kept it from getting deleted the first time when the the non-keep votes split to create no consensus. [[User:Doczilla|Doczilla]] 04:35, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as per [[WP:DNWAUC]] --<small> [[User:Cool Cat|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:Cool Cat|chi?]]</sup> 18:10, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as per above. [[User:DBZROCKS|DBZROCKS]] 19:39, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per above, all categories of people by "disease", "condition", and "surgery" ought to go. [[User:Carlossuarez46|Carlossuarez46]] 23:56, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' and as per [[User:Carlossuarez46|Carlossuarez46]] most disease categories should go. Half of them are for trendy pseudo-diseases anyway. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] 09:46, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. --[[User:Rimshots|'''<font color="#333377">rimshots</font>''']]<sup>''[[User talk:Rimshots|talk]]''</sup> 16:10, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
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