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== 0603:5512, 2928 August 20242025 review of submission by Gulshan99IanResearch ==
{{Lafc|username=Gulshan99IanResearch|ts=0603:5512, 2928 August 20242025|draft=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tarun_chughZigZagZurich}}
Hi editors, just wanted to ask what I can do to improve my draft and write it in a way that is aligned with Wikipedia's guide and tone. Thank you! [[User:IanResearch|IanResearch]] ([[User talk:IanResearch|talk]]) 03:12, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
Hi Team,
:The draft just tells of the offerings and activities of the company; a Wikipedia article must do more, it must summarize what independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the [[WP:ORG|special Wikipedia definition of a notable company]].
My name is Gulshan Pandey. I am working on an article about an Indian politician named Tarun Chugh. Unfortunately, it has been deleted or moved to draft several times, and I am unsure what mistakes I am making. Previously, I created the page for "Sonawari Assembly constituency," which was published on the first attempt, but this time I am having difficulty getting the article published. I have included many prominent media links as references. Could you please suggest what I should do to ensure the article meets the necessary standards?
:The awards are meaningless towards establishing notability; for an award to contribute to notability, it must itself merit an article(like [[Nobel Peace Prize]] or [[Academy Award]]). [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 06:59, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
== 05:28, 28 August 2025 review of submission by AndeHuang ==
Thank you for your assistance.
{{Lafc|username=AndeHuang|ts=05:28, 28 August 2025|draft=Draft:Winmate Inc.}}
The draft has been declined multiple times. I have already revised the wording to make the tone more neutral, but it was still labeled as containing false information. Could you please review the draft and provide guidance on how to correct the issues and bring it in line with Wikipedia’s requirements? [[User:AndeHuang|AndeHuang]] ([[User talk:AndeHuang|talk]]) 05:28, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
:I don't see where anyone has said it contains false information, but it does say that it appears to have been written by an AI/LLM.
Best regards,
:Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about a company and what it does, a Wikipedia article about a company must summarize what independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of [[WP:ORG|a notable company]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 06:56, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
Gulshan Pandey
== 06:40, 28 August 2025 review of submission by 109.252.122.222 ==
[[User:Gulshan99|Gulshan99]] ([[User talk:Gulshan99|talk]]) 06:55, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
{{Lafc|username=109.252.122.222|ts=06:40, 28 August 2025|draft=Draft:Maxim_Lazarev}}
Good day!
Thank you for your work!
Help, as a professional, to correct this page, to work on it, so that it is acceptable for Wikipedia.
This is a famous Russian entomologist who studies the world fauna of longhorn beetles. For Wikipedia, such personalities are important, as for the world encyclopedia.
Help improve this page.
Maybe it should be shortened, and leave some small extract? Until new sources.
With respect. [[Special:Contributions/109.252.122.222|109.252.122.222]] ([[User talk:109.252.122.222|talk]]) 06:40, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
:The draft has been rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. If something changes in the future, you are welcome to edit the draft and then appeal to the rejecting reviewer. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 06:53, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
:{{courtesy link|Draft:Tarun chugh}}
:@[[User:Gulshan99|Gulshan99]]: you created this article, it was moved to drafts, where you submitted it for review and it was declined. Unless you have other versions or earlier attempts at this, that seems to be all there is, so I'm not sure that qualifies as "several times".
:I also note that you've resubmitted the draft after it was declined without making any improvements to it whatsoever. Please do not do that, it is a surefire way to get your draft rejected. The idea is that when a draft is declined, the reason(s) for the decline are outlined in the decline notice, and your job is to ''address those reasons'' before resubmitting. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 07:15, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
:"Prominent media links" is not what we're looking for. We need to see significant coverage of this person, in multiple secondary sources that are both reliable and independent. Note that this excludes passing mentions, routine election coverage and similar, interviews, anything where the subject himself is commenting on other matters, etc. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 07:19, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
== 08:37, 28 August 2025 review of submission by Casa Coto ==
:Within the summary for [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft%3ATarun_chugh&diff=1242719537&oldid=1240160008 one of your edits] to this, you write: "I appreciate your concern regarding the possible Conflict of Interest." Is there a conflict of interest? -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 09:21, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
{{Lafc|username=Casa Coto|ts=08:37, 28 August 2025|draft=Draft:Otto Bihler Maschinenfabrik}}
Hello Wikipedians, I'm kindly asking for advice. Many months ago, I created a draft on the Bihler company ([[Draft:Otto Bihler Maschinenfabrik]]). It has since been declined multiple times, but I don't quite understand why. It is said that [[WP:NCORP]] is not met. However, in that draft, I have demonstrated, using a source assessment table, why I believe that the Bihler company has been the subject of significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. I know that not every source that I have cited falls within the [[WP:SIRS]] criteria, but still, I feel that, the number of sources that do, is sufficient. It would be very helpful to have a second thought on this. Any advice is very much appreciated. Thank you! @ [[User:Novem Linguae]]. -- [[User:Casa Coto|Casa Coto]] ([[User talk:Casa Coto|talk]]) 08:37, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
:I haven't done a detailed analysis yet, but if other reviewers are still declining it, maybe your source assessment table is being too generous. Do all your sources have 3 meaty paragraphs of detail about the company? Are they independent (i.e. no press releases disguised as articles, no articles that are mostly quotations, no [[advertorials]], etc)? Is at least one of the sources regional, national, or international? These are all things needed to pass [[WP:NCORP]] and [[WP:GNG]]. See also [[User:Novem Linguae/Essays/Nuances of GNG]] and [[User:Novem Linguae/Essays/Novem's words of wisdom]] #6. It's been 2 months since you submitted this... if you think it passes, maybe submit it again and add a comment asking for detailed source feedback in the event of a decline. Hope this helps. Good luck. –[[User:Novem Linguae|<span style="color:blue">'''Novem Linguae'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]])</small> 13:52, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
== 07:07, 29 August 2024 review of submission by Shom.analytics ==
:cc {{u|Casa Coto}}. –[[User:Novem Linguae|<span style="color:blue">'''Novem Linguae'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]])</small> 13:53, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
{{Lafc|username=Shom.analytics|ts=07:07, 29 August 2024|draft=Draft:Sahajidah_Hai-O_Marketing}}
:Comments on your assessment table:
Hi can I seek advice on this? Because I have edited and water down everything to be neutral and just describing what the company does. [[User:Shom.analytics|Shom.analytics]] ([[User talk:Shom.analytics|talk]]) 07:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
:* You list the Hesse source as secondary, but describe it as an encyclopedia. That means it's a tertiary source.
:* You assess four sources in total to meet the criteria of reliable, independent, and significant coverage. Those would be good sources, but...
:* it isn't clear that they provide significant coverage of the company, its products, the punch-bending process, or Otto Bihler himself. Those are four different topics, and this draft is about ''one'' topic. For example, the Kolbe source discusses the technology and how the machine works, but what about the company, which is the topic of this draft?
:The assessment table is a great start, but reading it only brings up more questions. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 15:16, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
::<small>Quick note that in my experience, tertiary sources are usually accepted as counting towards GNG. –[[User:Novem Linguae|<span style="color:blue">'''Novem Linguae'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]])</small> 15:24, 28 August 2025 (UTC)</small>
:::<small>I wasn't saying that they aren't acceptable, although our policies recommend using them more to assess due weight. I was just pointing out an error in the table. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 16:24, 28 August 2025 (UTC)</small>
== 12:11, 28 August 2025 review of submission by 78.150.201.201 ==
:@[[User:Shom.analytics|Shom.analytics]]: that's as may be, but you haven't produced any evidence of notability, and therefore the draft has now been rejected and will not be considered further. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 07:10, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
{{Lafc|username=78.150.201.201|ts=12:11, 28 August 2025|draft=Draft:Fusion_candle}}
:We don't want just a description of what the company does. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 08:55, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Because I cannot find any more references to fusion candles [[Special:Contributions/78.150.201.201|78.150.201.201]] ([[User talk:78.150.201.201|talk]]) 12:11, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Shom.analytics|Shom.analytics]] You are a self declared paid editor. Please use your pay to fund your time to learn about policies here by studying them. Please start with [[WP:N]], [[WP:V]], and [[WP:NOT]]. There is no reason for the majority of amateur editors to spend their time helping you to get paid. 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 09:17, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
:Then this topic doesn't merit an article at this time. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 12:20, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
== 14:34, 29 August 2024 review of submission by Jaykay9090 ==
{{Lafc|username=Jaykay9090|ts=14:34, 29 August 2024|draft=Draft:Álvaro_Martínez_Bueno}}
I am requesting assistance because my article submission on Álvaro Martínez Bueno was not accepted, despite my efforts to adhere to Wikipedia's guidelines. The reviewer mentioned issues with the reliability of sources, the formal tone, and a potential conflict of interest (COI). I have carefully selected sources, ensured a neutral and formal tone, and I have no personal connection to the artist. However, I am struggling to identify where I might have gone wrong. I would greatly appreciate guidance on how to improve my article to meet Wikipedia’s standards, particularly in addressing the concerns raised by the reviewer. [[User:Jaykay9090|Jaykay9090]] ([[User talk:Jaykay9090|talk]]) 14:34, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
== 14:57, 28 August 2025 review of submission by Aras2025 ==
:The style section is completely unsourced. Every substantive fact about a living person must be sourced, per [[WP:BLP]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 15:09, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
{{Lafc|username=Aras2025|ts=14:57, 28 August 2025|draft=Draft:Radio_Duhok}}
:On a quick look, few if any of your sources meet the triple criteria of being reliably published, wholly independent of Bueno, and containing significant coverage of Bueno (not just of particular workds). See [[WP:42]] for more detail.
Hello,
:A Wikipedia article must be mostly based on such sources: without several such, no article is possible, because no article can establish that he meets the criteria for [[WP:notability|notability]]. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:02, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
My draft, "Draft:Radio Duhok," has been declined multiple times due to a lack of "in-depth coverage" from reliable, independent sources, according to the last reviewer.
== 15:58, 29 August 2024 review of submission by 152.2.251.129 ==
{{Lafc|username=152.2.251.129|ts=15:58, 29 August 2024|draft=Draft:Yeidy_Eish}}
My article keeps getting declined. What am I doing wrong? I have included inline references, both internal and external to wikipedia. What is the magic ticket? Thanks [[Special:Contributions/152.2.251.129|152.2.251.129]] ([[User talk:152.2.251.129|talk]]) 15:58, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
I have tried my best to find good sources and have included:
:I should have included the reason why it was declined. It said "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of music-related topics). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia." [[Special:Contributions/152.2.251.129|152.2.251.129]] ([[User talk:152.2.251.129|talk]]) 16:03, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
1. Two official announcements from the Duhok Governorate's website congratulating the radio on its anniversary.
::As this message describes, your sources do not demonstrate notability. See [[WP:BIO]].
2. A feature article about the radio in the well-known regional "Gulan Magazine" (Issue 829, 2010), which refers to it as the "authentic voice of the governorate."
::Please log in when posting. You seem to have a connection with this person as you took a very professional looking image of her and she posed for you. You must disclose this connection, see [[WP:COI]] and [[WP:PAID]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 16:37, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
::The "magic ticket" is finding sources that are not just reliably published, but are wholly independent of the subject, and contain significant coverage of the subject specifically: see [[WP:42]]. Citing an article which is mostly an interview is of very limited use: citing the same article four times in different publications sends the message "I'm so desperate to find something to cite that I'll cite the same thing four times and hope people don't notice" which in turn suggests that there are probably simply not enough sources to establish that Eish meets Wikipedia's criteria for [[WP:notability|notability]]. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:41, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Could an experienced editor please take a look at these sources and provide some feedback? I am struggling to understand why these are considered insufficient for notability. Specifically, I would like to know if the Gulan Magazine article is just a "brief mention" and what an example of an "in-depth" source would look like for a subject like this.
== 19:56, 29 August 2024 review of submission by Dupontgeorgea ==
{{Lafc|username=Dupontgeorgea|ts=19:56, 29 August 2024|draft=User:Dupontgeorgea/sandbox}}
I see people on Wikipedia with their biography, why is this biography not allowed but others are? What distinguishes ones that are accepted and those that are not? [[User:Dupontgeorgea|Dupontgeorgea]] ([[User talk:Dupontgeorgea|talk]]) 19:56, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. [[User:Aras2025|Aras2025]] ([[User talk:Aras2025|talk]]) 14:57, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
:Your draft is completely unsourced. People do not "have biographies" here, Wikipedia has articles about people that [[WP:RS|meet our criteria]]. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell about themselves. Please see the [[WP:AUTO|autobiography policy]]. Wikipedia articles summarize what independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] choose on their own to say about them topic. While not impossible, that is usually very difficult for people to do about themselves. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 20:14, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Dupontgeorgea|Dupontgeorgea]] This text would be next to impossible to turn into a draft article. It would require a complete rewrite for tone, and full referencing. 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 20:18, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Left 'm my usual deletion notice-- highly informative and well thought out. [[User:Deepfriedokra|-- Deepfriedokra]] ([[User talk:Deepfriedokra|talk]]) 20:58, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
:An in depth source will, on its own, go into detail about the topic and discuss what they see as important/significant/influential about it- what makes it [[WP:N|notable]]. Mere congratulations and a mention do not qualify. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 15:01, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
= August 30 =
:The English Wikipedia tends to be stricter than other language versions; I don't know if this content would be acceptable on the Arabic Wikipedia, which has its own policies. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 15:03, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
== 0016:4150, 3028 August 20242025 review of submission by JoievaSaysky2 ==
{{Lafc|username=JoievaSaysky2|ts=0016:4150, 3028 August 20242025|draft=Draft:Jaye_SeraAjay_Taneja}}
may i know the reason why the article has been stoped
I have followed all the instruction but I'm not sure why it's still rejected, what should I have done? [[User:Joieva|Joieva]] ([[User talk:Joieva|talk]]) 00:41, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
[[User:Saysky2|Saysky2]] ([[User talk:Saysky2|talk]]) 16:50, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
: {{re|Joieva}}, thanks for the post. Unfortunately, I must disagree with the claim that you {{tq|followed all the instruction}}. You were advised several times that your draft did not meet notability guidelines. The rejections contained many links that explain how and what constitutes notability. Pointedly: notability requires significant coverage in secondary sources. The onus was on you to read the guidelines linked to you, and either you did not do so, or refused to follow them or seek further assistance to understand them. You continually submitted the article no less than six times despite being warned it would be rejected if you did not make the requested improvements, and then went ahead and put it forth a seventh. It has not been (correctly in my view) rejected on a final basis. You have continually failed to provide secondary sources, and so the rejector has correctly taken this to mean that no additional references exist, meaning subject is not suitable for Wikipedia. As the draft is rejected, I'm afraid you have no further recourse and must abandon your efforts here. — [[User:MaxnaCarta|<span style="color:#AA9977">MaxnaCarta </span>]] ( [[User talk:MaxnaCarta|💬]] • [[Special:Contributions/MaxnaCarta|📝]] ) 01:03, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
== 0117:10, 3028 August 20242025 review of submission by Dj Makosam OfficialSaysky2 ==
{{Lafc|username=Dj Makosam OfficialSaysky2|ts=0117:10, 3028 August 20242025|draft=UserDraft:Dj_Makosam_Official/sandboxAjay Taneja}}
May i know the exact reason of rejecting the article. Even i had asked weather i can use newspapers cuts as reliable sources or not as in 2000s no digital media was there no any answered to my question. This i really disgusting no supports [[User:Saysky2|Saysky2]] ([[User talk:Saysky2|talk]]) 17:10, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
please i dont know why you rejected my page [[User:Dj Makosam Official|Dj Makosam Official]] ([[User talk:Dj Makosam Official|talk]]) 01:10, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:'''This draft has been rejected [[WP:IDHT|for failing to heed previous criticism]] and will not be considered further.''' The reviewers explained a fair bit in their comments, and the draft was rejected once it became clear you were blowing them off. —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[User:Jéské Couriano/AG|threads]] [[User:Jéské Couriano/Decode|critiques]]</small></sup> 17:13, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Dj Makosam Official|Dj Makosam Official]]: Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a channel for self-promotion. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 06:42, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
::{{ping|Saysky2}} <small>re-signing to fix ping</small> —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[User:Jéské Couriano/AG|threads]] [[User:Jéské Couriano/Decode|critiques]]</small></sup> 17:14, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
:You have three non-independent sources, and one which might be independent, but gives a 404 when I look at it. (Even if it is both independent and gives substantial coverage, one source is not enough).
:{{HD/WINI}} [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 15:58, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
== 0118:2110, 3028 August 20242025 review of submission by Francisasinatra80.41.119.0 ==
{{Lafc|username=Francisasinatra80.41.119.0|ts=0118:2110, 3028 August 20242025|draft=Draft:Henry_Buckley_(American_Jurist)Fusion_candle}}
please dont remove my draft when i send it to you even if its rubbish [[Special:Contributions/80.41.119.0|80.41.119.0]] ([[User talk:80.41.119.0|talk]]) 18:10, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
The record-holder before Mr. Buckley had an article about him, so I am wondering why Mr. Buckley's case isn't notable enough. I think that I met my burden on providing relevant information about him. Please let me know how I can make this work. -Fred M. [[User:Francisasinatra|Francisasinatra]] ([[User talk:Francisasinatra|talk]]) 01:21, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:Don't waste reviewer time with rubbish. We don't accept AI-generated articles, period. It has been deleted. If you want to submit an article on that topic, you must write it in your own words and cite actual reliable sources. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 18:19, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Francisasinatra|Francisasinatra]], did you look at the linked [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Henry_Buckley_(American_Jurist)| deletion discussion]]? Your first step needs to be overcoming the issues raised there. If you can do that, you'll also need some better sources - LinkedIn isn't acceptable, and your sources should discuss Buckley in some detail. Having his name listed along with other names isn't enough, and obituaries for family members don't tell us anything about him. [[User:StartGrammarTime|StartGrammarTime]] ([[User talk:StartGrammarTime|talk]]) 03:48, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
== 0818:26, 3028 August 20242025 review of submission by AbbaskipSindhuG2025 ==
{{Lafc|username=AbbaskipSindhuG2025|ts=0818:26, 3028 August 20242025|draft=Draft:Overeem_WhiskyAligireddy_Kasi_Vishwanath_Reddy}}
Hello team,
Hi
I have submitted an article on an Indian agriculturist AligiReddy Vishwanath Reddy but the article has been declined. Could you please assist me in improving the article. [[User:SindhuG2025|SindhuG2025]] ([[User talk:SindhuG2025|talk]]) 18:26, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
I'd like to understand in further detail why this article is being declined. There are multiple independent sources, with articles written specifically about the distillery - which I understand to be the primary criteria (as well as others which are just referencing certain stated facts).
The brand is an established brand, available at mainstream retailers throughout Australia - and the references are no different to those provided on multiple Scotch Whisky distilleries of a similar age. [[User:Abbaskip|Abbaskip]] ([[User talk:Abbaskip|talk]]) 08:26, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:[[User:SindhuG2025|SindhuG2025]] it seems like no one has declined the article. When you created the page you included a 'decline' banner in the page. I've fixed it for you.
:I left an explanation on the draft, as well as other comments on the draft talk page. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 08:27, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:In its current state, the article would not be accepted. In addition to a lack of inline citations to support the claims made in the article, the article seems like it was written for the express purpose of promoting the subject rather than to be encyclopedic.
:If you've seen [[WP:OSE|other articles]] like yours, please identify them so we can take action. Other inappropriate articles existing cannot justify the addition of more inappropriate articles. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 08:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:Also, it's best to avoid external links in the body of an article, unless necessary. See the page [[WP:External links]]. [[User:Sungodtemple|Sungodtemple]] ([[User talk:Sungodtemple|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sungodtemple|contribs]]) 04:24, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Abbaskip|Abbaskip]]: which sources do you think establish notability per [[WP:NCORP]]? Because I only found one myself, the Oz Whisky Review, and even that I'm not too sure about.
:Those blank decline templates are made up by ChatGPT and the like. [[User:Sarsenet|Sarsenet]]•<small>he/they</small>•([[User talk:Sarsenet|talk]]) 04:33, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
:Additionally, I was going to add promotionality as a second decline reason. This reads like an online brochure to me.
:Whether their products are available at retailers is not a notability criterion. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 08:33, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
::"This sounds like an online brochure" is dismissive and entirely off the mark. Apart from the awards being mentioned, the article is generally about the history of the distillery, being founded, sold and bought back - plus the products they product. It's not a sales pitch at all.
::Both Spirit Business references, Tasmanian Times article and the Shout all establish notability. [[User:Abbaskip|Abbaskip]] ([[User talk:Abbaskip|talk]]) 08:38, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:::You seem particularly invested in this topic. Are you associated with this business in some way?
:::The acquisition of this business by another, and the reversal of that acquisition, (what the Spirit sources document) are routine business activities that do not establish notability. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 08:47, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
::::I'm in no way related to the business, I work in an entirely different industry, live in a different state and don't know the business owners. I do drink the whisky though, and have noticed that the Australian whisky industry is severely under-represented on Wikipedia (likely) due to these sorts of rejections.
::::You're essentially moving the goal posts for a notability - as world industry awards certainly establish notabiliy, otherwise no whisky brands would be on Wikipedia (when basically every distillery in Scotland is). [[User:Abbaskip|Abbaskip]] ([[User talk:Abbaskip|talk]]) 08:58, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::Please point to the precise section in [[WP:NCORP]] where it says that a company becomes notable by virtue of its products winning some awards? -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 09:01, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::In which case I'll provide you a list of 90% of Scotch whisky distilleries for your removal. [[User:Abbaskip|Abbaskip]] ([[User talk:Abbaskip|talk]]) 09:05, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::I'm not an administrator, I cannot remove any page. I can request speedy deletion, or begin AfD discussion, but then again so can you. Feel free to take whatever action you deem appropriate with any articles that you feel aren't up to scratch, including of course improving them as the preferred option.
:::::::You may also wish to read [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]]. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 09:08, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::::You probably need to learn to understand how conversation english works, since you're such an expert on encylopedic articles - and realise that my comment was to make a point, not to have the articles deleted.
::::::::This article is simply not being accepted as the various moderators here haven't heard of the brand themselves. There is generally very little written media to reference for Spirits brands beyond articles outlining award winners, reviews and materials that could be deemed promotional.
::::::::Look at Tamdhu Distillery as an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamdhu_distillery [[User:Abbaskip|Abbaskip]] ([[User talk:Abbaskip|talk]]) 09:13, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::I am sorry that English (or even 'english') is not my first language. None of us are perfect. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 09:25, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::My typing certainly isn't perfect either (no edit in talk articles is strange), but I'd have thought that was a given in a back and forth (conversational) talk article.
::::::::::I've removed a reference to "Casey's Shed" (despite this being a common whisky COMMUNITY term - not something 'affectionately known' by the industry or business itself (but hey, the wiki experts who know zero about Australian Whisky are here, so I need to get these things right).
::::::::::I've added a CNN Travel reference, multiple other newspaper references - businesses buying businesses IS significant in the Australian whisky industry, especially when it's Lark (Australia's first established whisky distillery), and means the distillery moves with the purchase (something that was deemed sufficient notability in the Tamdhu Distillery article). [[User:Abbaskip|Abbaskip]] ([[User talk:Abbaskip|talk]]) 09:34, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm also not suggesting the Tamdhu article should be removed, nor that it's a bad article - simply that your standards of notability are off, due to your own biases. [[User:Abbaskip|Abbaskip]] ([[User talk:Abbaskip|talk]]) 09:35, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fettercairn_distillery
::::::::::::Another distillery page just like Tamdhu listing essentially nothing but ownership information, and with one of the references being a simple distillery profile on a page that has an indexed profile for all Scotch Whisky distilleries.
::::::::::::Again, the issue isn't that these pages shouldn't be accepted, it's the misapplied definition of notability being used for Overeem Whisky but not other Scotch distilleries. [[User:Abbaskip|Abbaskip]] ([[User talk:Abbaskip|talk]]) 10:27, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::@[[User:Abbaskip|Abbaskip]] "{{blue|Again, the issue isn't that these pages shouldn't be accepted, it's the misapplied definition of notability being used for Overeem Whisky but not other Scotch distilleries. }}"
:::::::::::::I disagree wholeheartedly. Instead t is that the English Language Wikipedia has made ts acceptance criteria more robust since many articles were placed here. The Wild West of the early days has gone, and our poachers of yore have either gone or Become gamekeepers. In that 'spirit' I have just flagged [[Fettercairn distillery]] for additional referencing.
:::::::::::::This is something you can help with, should you choose to. 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 11:05, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Did you do the same with Tamdhu distillery?
::::::::::::::You could also add Dalwhinnie Distillery? Another with similar sources.
::::::::::::::In fact the vast majority of distillery articles have similar sources, because as mentioned this is what Notability looks like in the whisky industry. [[User:Abbaskip|Abbaskip]] ([[User talk:Abbaskip|talk]]) 11:58, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Abbaskip|Abbaskip]] That was done by another.
:::::::::::::::I am not sure that Dalwhinnie Distillery suffers from the same issues, but I have tagged it for inconsistent use of tense. I understand what you mean with regard to this industry. "Inherent notability" allows an article to exist, bit that does not say that referencing cannot be improved, nor that prose cannot be improved.
:::::::::::::::Our role as reviewers is to seek to ensure that an article will not immediately be subject to one of our deletion processes when it is accepted. That is why we push it back to the author. We want to accept articles. 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 12:07, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::I've added a substantial number of secondary, independent sources regarding Overeem whisky, the distillery etc now. Is it worth resubmitting now? I feel it's over referenced to be honest, and I'm finding it extremely hard to not make the primary article look more like a marketing piece than it apparently already is, but legitimately cite other references for notability. Essentially the things that make it notable are things that make it look a marketing piece. I've also changed some language and removed some pieces that should also make the article read less like a flyer.
::::::::::::::::Sincere thanks for your very useful feedback and honesty, really is much appreciated and helpful [[User:Abbaskip|Abbaskip]] ([[User talk:Abbaskip|talk]]) 12:14, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::@[[User:Abbaskip|Abbaskip]] Three references are contraindicated by their reliability:
:::::::::::::::::* https://theshout.com.au/tassie-whisky-deal-lark-acquires-overeem/
:::::::::::::::::* https://whiskymag.com/articles/icons-of-whisky-australia-2021-winners-announced/
:::::::::::::::::* https://www.thatboutiqueywhiskycompany.com/blog/2023/01/29/return-to-oz
:::::::::::::::::I would look at them with care and make a decision.
:::::::::::::::::One source of over-referencing is the products section. Assuming you link in external links to the corporate website (just one link, please) and I have not checked, I would drop this entire section, unless a particular product is particularly special, when it needs a reference to say so.
:::::::::::::::::I suggest you scour the prose for phraseology such as "{{purple|returning to the family}}" whcih really ''is'' {{purple|purple prose}} and eliminate anything that looks as if written for a magazine.
:::::::::::::::::I feel it ''is'' acceptable currently, though somewhat vulnerable. Tightening it up, cutting elements, will remove the vulnerability. 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 12:32, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::Thanks, I'll look now. I understand that copying other articles is fraught with danger - however the product list is extremely common on Whisky Distillery Wikipedia articles, as it's an important aspect that defines the type of product the distillery offers, is factual and isn't subjective. The links were generally to the corp website and product range though, so I'll update.
::::::::::::::::::I'm interested in why you think those references/sources are potentially not reliable?
::::::::::::::::::I'll also work on language.
::::::::::::::::::Thanks again [[User:Abbaskip|Abbaskip]] ([[User talk:Abbaskip|talk]]) 12:44, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::@[[User:Abbaskip|Abbaskip]] I have a gadget that colour codes them based upon a table of sources. I get Green, no colour, amber, and red. These are amber. That alerts a "Stare hard at this" response. One is a blog, which tend to be generated with limited or no editorial oversight. Without checking again, one feels very much like [[churnalism]], and the other is one you should study based upon those clues.
:::::::::::::::::::Just because other articles on distilleries do something does not mean those are correct. These things become self perpetuating if we don't take care. No precedent is ever set by any article for any other. If it were we would have a brutally fast descent into [[idiocracy]] 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 13:01, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::::@[[User:Abbaskip|Abbaskip]] You might also reduce the number of citations per fact. Once cited it is cited. More is by no means necessarily better than a single citation. Choosing the best is key before discarding others.
::::::::::::::::::::Note that opinions here differ on this point. 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 13:10, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::::Thanks, sorry the multiple edits are because I was doing it on my phone. I was clearing up sources, removing some of those I figured weren't needed and also trying to make the language more succinct and encyclopedic in some places.
:::::::::::::::::::::I believe I've addressed the issue around notability and sources already, and have removed some of the other sources. [[User:Abbaskip|Abbaskip]] ([[User talk:Abbaskip|talk]]) 13:35, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::::I redid the first section of the article referencing that the distillery was the 4th in Tasmania, that it was considered one of Australian Whisky's founding distilleries, and then redid most of the first paragraph of the History section to avoid double up, but it seems to have disappeared? I also can't find it in version history? [[User:Abbaskip|Abbaskip]] ([[User talk:Abbaskip|talk]]) 14:38, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::::::@[[User:Abbaskip|Abbaskip]] It cannot be absent from the history of the draft. 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 15:06, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::::::I edited it again, based on your note. The prior edit mustn't have properly saved or similar. [[User:Abbaskip|Abbaskip]] ([[User talk:Abbaskip|talk]]) 15:08, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::You are welcome to edit your own comments to fix errors- click "edit" in the section header. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 11:03, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::Ah thanks for this. [[User:Abbaskip|Abbaskip]] ([[User talk:Abbaskip|talk]]) 12:25, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::Thanks for pointing out another problematic article that needs action taken- I've marked it as such. We're only as good as those who participate, and we need help to weed out inappropriate content that isn't suitable as an example. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 11:06, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Well in my opinion this is promotional, and I would have added that as a decline reason. You're entitled to have a different opinion. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 08:59, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
::::The draft actually says {{tpq|(affectionately known as "Casey's Shed")}}, which is so unencyclopedic and non-neutral and cloyingly promotional that it calls everything else into question. An encyclopedia does not instruct its readers what to be affectionate about. That's just the most blatant example of promotional content. I fully endorse "This sounds like an online brochure" which is what any experienced, uninvolved editor would say after reading this. Print it up on glossy paper and hand it out at adult beverage trade shows. Promotional editing is forbidden on Wikipedia. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 09:00, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::Happy to remove that from the draft. That was a term used amongst the Australian Whisky Community (drinkers, not industry - I have no idea what they industry do). [[User:Abbaskip|Abbaskip]] ([[User talk:Abbaskip|talk]]) 09:04, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
== 0919:3001, 3028 August 20242025 review of submission by Kanapala ZenithRavenFireblade ==
{{Lafc|username=Kanapala ZenithRavenFireblade|ts=0919:3001, 3028 August 20242025|draft=Why my article is declined?Draft:Jack_Logan}}
LetWe mehave knowedited necessarythe correctionsarticle inalong mywith articlenew, reliable, independent sources. Please help us improve it. Thank you! [[User:Kanapala ZenithRavenFireblade|Kanapala ZenithRavenFireblade]] ([[User talk:Kanapala ZenithRavenFireblade|talk]]) 0919:3001, 3028 August 20242025 (UTC)
:Hi @[[User:RavenFireblade|RavenFireblade]]. Who is "we" and "us"? <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">'''[[User:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span>]]</small></span> 20:01, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
:{{courtesy link|User:Kanapala Zenith/sandbox}}
::{{reply to|RavenFireblade|Qcne|Kalaboomsky|Athaenara|SoWhy|Bearcat|MWFwiki}} back in August 2018 at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CJ Santos]], {{User5|User=Kalaboomsky}} wrote "Just tell '''us''' what needs to be removed or questionable areas on the article that needs removing" [[Special:Diff/855337532|here]]. It would appear to me that [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Jack Logan Show]] back in 2018 may possibly also be relevant here. All that said, [[:Jack Logan (filmmaker)]] is now a mainspace article: any windmills I chose to joust here in 2025 may [[:2018|seven years too late]], I guess. [[User:Shirt58|Shirt58]] ([[User talk:Shirt58|talk]]) 🦘 11:03, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
:Your draft is completely unreferenced, with no evidence of [[WP:notability|notability]]. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 11:00, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:::I was the approver. For what it is worth, this was a borderline pass. I felt the subject ''just'' meets notability, especially when considering [[WP:NOTLEVEL]] (I realize this is not a policy). However, even keeping the COI in-mind (and I have a feeling the disclosed COI may be a "sacrificial lamb" disclosure, and the actual COI may be deeper... But, AGF and all that) I feel that the article was ready for mainspace. Particularly with the additional COI labelling. Anyways, I am of the opinion that we have enough notability to push us over the edge, and that any further discussion regarding the article should take place via AfD. I would abstain from such a discussion. '''[[User:MWFwiki|MWFwiki]]''' ([[User talk:MWFwiki|talk]]) 20:42, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
= August 29 =
== 09:48, 30 August 2024 review of submission by Shamsuddin Haider ==
{{Lafc|username=Shamsuddin Haider|ts=09:48, 30 August 2024|draft=Draft:State_Board_of_School_Examinations_(Sec.)_&_Board_of_Higher_Secondary_Examinations,_Tamil_Nadu}}
problems in this article will be fixed now [[User:Shamsuddin Haider|Shamsuddin Haider]] ([[User talk:Shamsuddin Haider|talk]]) 09:48, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
== 01:29, 29 August 2025 review of submission by Hyperbolick ==
:@[[User:Shamsuddin Haider|Shamsuddin Haider]]: this draft has been rejected. If evidence of notability has come to light which wasn't available previously, you may appeal directly to the rejecting reviewer. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 10:59, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
{{Lafc|username=Hyperbolick|ts=01:29, 29 August 2025|draft=Draft:Jimmy "Ninja" Chaikong}}
I am confessedly not entirely objective on this because Jimmy was a longtime acquaintance.
He drowned in a boating accident this weekend. Had one of those quirky lives where he did many different things, MMA fighting, recording music, winning [[American Gladiator]], publishing philosophy, managing the Texas Songwriting Championship. He was a guest menace in a few episodes of [[Burn Notice]] (no media source for that, but he posted it on his socials and if you watch the episodes you can see him plain as day). His death was reported more than anything else in his life, but it was quite a life. [[User:Hyperbolick|Hyperbolick]] ([[User talk:Hyperbolick|talk]]) 01:29, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
== 14:53, 30 August 2024 review of submission by Adari Aravind ==
{{Lafc|username=Adari Aravind|ts=14:53, 30 August 2024|draft=Draft:Adari_Anand_Kumar}}
Hi Iwaqar,
:Do you have a specific question about the draft? [[user:Notcharizard|<span style="color:#70A67A">-- NotC</span><span style="color:#396340">hariza</span><span style="color:#0D2311">rd</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Notcharizard|<span style="color:#0D2311">🗨</span>]]</sup> 06:38, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
I'm Aravind from Visakhapatnam. The subject of this article belongs to a political family in Anakapalle district and he leads a 2000+ crores annual turnover dairy company called Visakha Dairy. So, I kindly request you to do research on him and revert for the consideration of publishing it into Wiki.
:: Yes, does Jimmy's eclectic set of points of notability add up to actual notability? Could probably find a few more sources touching on a few more points (he was a high school gymnastics champ and an FAU cheerleader before going to Oklahoma), but this is close to being what there is. [[User:Hyperbolick|Hyperbolick]] ([[User talk:Hyperbolick|talk]]) 06:47, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
:Hello, @[[User:Hyperbolick|Hyperbolick]]. [[WP:Notability|Notability]], as Wikipedia uses the word, is not about what the subject is, or does, or has done, but about whether enought independent material has been reliably published ''about'' the subject to base an article on. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 10:11, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
== How to add extra references which helps draft will go for mainspace. ==
Thanks & Regards,
Aravind [[User:Adari Aravind|Adari Aravind]] ([[User talk:Adari Aravind|talk]]) 14:53, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
hello ! Help on article [[Draft:Tanka Timilsina]] ! Please improve and take this article to mainspace.i will be very thankful for your kindness. [[User:MountainWriter42|MountainWriter42]] ([[User talk:MountainWriter42|talk]]) 10:48, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Adari Aravind|Adari Aravind]] unfortunately you did not think to provide references to show what, if any, notability the subject has, which has led to rejection. You share names with the subject. If this is an autobiography may I counsel you against creating one. Very few people indeed are able to be unbiased about themselves.
:This draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. Please read [[HELP:YFA]] and [[WP:REFB]].
:This place is for asking for assistance, not for asking someone to create your (presumed) autobiography. 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 15:02, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
::Kindly consider the draft now which has references added. Thanks. [[User:Adari Aravind|Adari Aravind]] ([[User talk:Adari Aravind|talk]]) 04:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Timtrent|Timtrent]], the draft's been recreated - would you mind having a look to see if it's been improved at all, or whether it's largely identical? It looks very promotional to me, but I didn't see it pre-speedy. [[User:StartGrammarTime|StartGrammarTime]] ([[User talk:StartGrammarTime|talk]]) 07:01, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
:::{{declined}} for additional work. Thank you, @[[User:StartGrammarTime|StartGrammarTime]], for suggesting I look. It feels much more positive now, though still feels somewhat like a paean of praise in the tone. 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 08:12, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
:{{ping|Adari Aravind}} The burden of meeting our sourcing and content policies is on those who want the content created/added, not on helpers at a noticeboard. ''You'' need to put in the work and look for sources if you want the article. —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[User:Jéské Couriano/AG|threads]] [[User:Jéské Couriano/Decode|critiques]]</small></sup> 15:38, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
::Kindly consider the draft now which has references added. Thanks. [[User:Adari Aravind|Adari Aravind]] ([[User talk:Adari Aravind|talk]]) 04:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
:::The draft hasn't been edited since it was declined. —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[User:Jéské Couriano/AG|threads]] [[User:Jéské Couriano/Decode|critiques]]</small></sup> 18:16, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, @[[User:MountainWriter42|MountainWriter42]]. Wikipedia is a volunteer project, where people work on what they choose. It is unlikely - not impossible, but unlikely - that anybody will decide to work on your draft just because you ask.
== 16:12, 30 August 2024 review of submission by Finlay550 ==
:It is possible (no more than that) that if you asked at [[WP:WikiProject Music|WikiProject Music]] or [[WP:WikiProject Nepal|WikiProject Nepal]] you might find somebody interested enough to work on it. But don't set your hopes too high. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:05, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
{{Lafc|username=Finlay550|ts=16:12, 30 August 2024|draft=Draft:Luke_pickles}}
Hi, just wondering further in detail what the minimums are? Cheers. [[User:Finlay550|Finlay550]] ([[User talk:Finlay550|talk]]) 16:12, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:YouTube, press releases and interviews are not reliable independent sources. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 17:56, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
:Hello @[[User:Finlay550|Finlay550]]! The subject of your draft does not appear to be [[WP:N|notable]] per [[WP:NBIO|the biographies notability guideline]]. Please find a few [[WP:SIGCOV|in-depth]], [[WP:PRIMARY|third-party]] sources that establish their notability. <span style="font-family:Serif">[[User:Asparagusus|<span style="color:#562">'''—asparagusus'''</span>]] [[User talk:Asparagusus|<span style="color:#682">(interaction)</span>]] [[User:Asparagusus/Sprouts|<sup style="color:#562">''sprouts!''</sup>]]</span> 16:17, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Finlay550|Finlay550]] Certainly. Please read [[WP:BIO]] which should give you a great baseline 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 16:18, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, Finlay550. Your draft has two sources, neither of which is [[WP:RS|reliable]] (that's right, we don't regard Wikipedia as a reliable source, because it is user-generated), and neither of which is about Pickles.
:A Wikipedia article should be a summary of what [[WP:42|indepedent reliable sources]] have published about the subject - nothing less, and very little more. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:58, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
== 1611:2532, 3029 August 20242025 review of submission by WarshipnycNewacctowork ==
{{Lafc|username=WarshipnycNewacctowork|ts=1611:2532, 3029 August 20242025|draft=Draft:VenhueTrinity_Private_School}}
I am requesting assistance with my draft article Draft:Trinity_Private_School. Each word of the text was written manually without the use of AI tools. However, three times I received feedback that the draft was written by AI. I respectfully emphasize that I wrote the article myself, and therefore I ask you to indicate exactly which sentences or parts appear to you as AI-generated.
Hello! I’m trying to help document unique restaurants in New York City, starting with my neighborhood of East Village. Is there anything specific for this page that needs to be edited for approval? A friend of mine did Foxface Natural’s page [[User:Warshipnyc|Warshipnyc]] ([[User talk:Warshipnyc|talk]]) 16:25, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
In addition, I was told that my sources are “not relevant.” Could you please clarify how relevance is determined? For example, [[The Heritage Private School]] article was accepted with only one source, while my draft contains 17 independent sources, yet it has not passed review.
Finally, the article cannot be considered promotional, because it contains no evaluative or laudatory language. I removed all subjective judgments and left only verifiable, encyclopedic content supported by citations.
I would greatly appreciate clear feedback on what exactly prevents the draft from being accepted and what specific improvements are required. [[User:Newacctowork|Newacctowork]] ([[User talk:Newacctowork|talk]]) 11:32, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Newacctowork|Newacctowork]]: you will note that the most recent decline, by me, was not for AI but for promotionality and lack of any evidence of [[WP:notability|notability]].
:@[[User:Warshipnyc|Warshipnyc]] Unique does not always, perhaps does not often, equate to passing [[WP:NCORP]], which you should study.
:You then resubmitted the draft without any attempt at addressing those reasons. Why did you do that? Are you disputing my review, or did you think if you keep submitting it will eventually go through by brute force? You only have finite number of chances, so I would suggest you make the most of them.
:This draft was rejected yesterday, which means it will not proceed further 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 16:43, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:And yes, [[The Heritage Private School]] is even weaker in terms of sourcing (in that, it has none), and I have tagged it accordingly. That doesn't mean we should create more insufficiently sourced articles, though. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 12:04, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
:Hello @[[User:Warshipnyc|Warshipnyc]]. The way that you wrote the article makes it seem like you're interested in [[WP:ADVERT|promoting]] the business. <span style="font-family:Serif">[[User:Asparagusus|<span style="color:#562">'''—asparagusus'''</span>]] [[User talk:Asparagusus|<span style="color:#682">(interaction)</span>]] [[User:Asparagusus/Sprouts|<sup style="color:#562">''sprouts!''</sup>]]</span> 16:43, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] No, I submitted it by accident. Could you please clarify what exactly needs to be fixed? I have already removed most of the adjectives that could make the text appear promotional. What further steps should I take? How can I rewrite it so that it reads as neutral, rather than advertising? [[User:Newacctowork|Newacctowork]] ([[User talk:Newacctowork|talk]]) 12:26, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Newacctowork|Newacctowork]]: you're normally meant to summarise what the sources say. But on this occasion, those sources are just churnalism etc., therefore summarising them will only ever result in a promotional draft. So you should go back to square one and look for sources that are entirely independent of the subject (meaning no interviews, press releases, advertorials, sponsored content, etc.) and base your draft on them. Personally, I doubt you will find such sources, but nothing to stop you trying. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 12:40, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
::::@[[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] There is a category, [[:Category:International schools in Cyprus]]. Could you provide an example? From my perspective, I do not see any pages there that match what you are describing. At the moment, all the pages appear to be in the main space. [[User:Newacctowork|Newacctowork]] ([[User talk:Newacctowork|talk]]) 12:51, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Newacctowork|Newacctowork]]: don't concern yourself with any other articles that may exist, we're talking about whether ''your'' draft can be accepted; [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]] is invariably a red herring.
:::::The long and short of it is that the vast majority of schools are not notable enough to justify an article. At two years old, this school is basically a startup, and the vast majority of startups are likewise not notable. Any media coverage that may exist is therefore almost by definition likely to originate in the school's marketing team, as is clearly the case with the sources cited in this draft. If the school was a major new initiative or an attempt at educational reform by the gov't of Cyprus, there might be independent mainstream media coverage of it, but here we're talking about a niche private school for a particular group of expats. As I said, you're welcome to search for better sources, but I wouldn't hold my breath. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 13:01, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] "No, we are just talking about other articles. When I take another article as a reference, I see that it has far fewer sources than mine, yet it passed. Can this be considered a biased approach? What does the marketing team have to do with it, if there is no link to any commercial offer and not a single word about cost? This is exactly what concerns me: does it comply with Wikipedia rules that a school without media coverage is published, while a school with coverage is not? For Cyprus, these media are public and authoritative. For comparison, my house has also stood since 1987. There are no publications about it — can I publish an article about it without coverage, as others did? [[User:Newacctowork|Newacctowork]] ([[User talk:Newacctowork|talk]]) 13:16, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Newacctowork|Newacctowork]]: no, you cannot {{tq|"publish an article about it without coverage"}}. Your draft's subject must meet our notability requirements, which it has not yet demonstrated.
:::::::If you've found existing articles which also fall short of the standards required, you're very welcome to improve them, or to commence deletion proceedings ([[WP:AFD]] is that-a-way) if that's not possible. But just because such articles exist, is no reason to create more such problems. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 13:26, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] L’Officiel Cyprus, Cyprus Times, and Boussias News (in Greek) - are these not considered reliable sources? Could you please explain the definition and criteria of reliability in this case? These outlets are public and widely recognized in Cyprus. There is no 'churnalism' here, as you described earlier, and no interviews with the school itself. What exactly is wrong with these sources? [[User:Newacctowork|Newacctowork]] ([[User talk:Newacctowork|talk]]) 13:37, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::I will note that just because another article exists does not necessarily mean it was "approved" by anyone. There are many reasons this could be, and that cannot justify adding more inappropriate articles. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 13:56, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Are you connected to this school in some way? [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 13:57, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:331dot|331dot]] Absolutely not. I just saw an article on the Internet and decided to create an entry about them, since I am from Ukraine myself. [[User:Newacctowork|Newacctowork]] ([[User talk:Newacctowork|talk]]) 14:09, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
== 1712:2000, 3029 August 20242025 review of submission by Cooldudeseven7GeorgeHav ==
{{Lafc|username=Cooldudeseven7GeorgeHav|ts=1712:2000, 3029 August 20242025|draft=Draft:Fuller GT Magnet ElementaryFlightSimExpo}}
Article was denied for npov, but I'm not sure i can personally see specifically where/why that's the case? Any thoughts on how I could improve that? [[User:GeorgeHav|GeorgeHav]] ([[User talk:GeorgeHav|talk]]) 12:00, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
I have gotten declined once and at the moment I have done a lot of changes and also got quite alot of help from other wikipedians. I would like to know if my article, Fuller GT Magnet Elementary is suitable for resubmission? If not, please notify me with tips.
Thank you, [[User:Cooldudeseven7|Cooldudeseven7]] ([[User talk:Cooldudeseven7|Discuss over a cup of tea?]]) 17:20, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:All the draft does is document occurrences of this event- in essence, promoting them. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 13:57, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Cooldudeseven7|Cooldudeseven7]]: we don't do pre-reviews here at the help desk, but a quick scan through the sources tells me they're all either primary, or routine business reporting, neither of which contributes towards notability per [[WP:ORG]]. We need to see significant coverage in multiple secondary sources that are reliable and entirely independent (of the subject, and of each other). -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 17:25, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
::Interesting, what would you recommend then in this case? Adding a section on "Reception"? [[User:GeorgeHav|GeorgeHav]] ([[User talk:GeorgeHav|talk]]) 23:11, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
::{{u|Cooldudeseven7}}, please read [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Common outcomes]], which says {{tpq|Most elementary (primary) and middle schools that don't source a clear claim to notability usually get merged or redirected to the school district authority that operates them (generally the case in North America) or the lowest level locality (elsewhere or where there is no governing body).}} Your draft does not make a clear claim to notability. If a school is on the [[National Register of Historic Places]] or the equivalent in other countries, then it qualifies. If the school's architecture is so unusual and distinctive that it has been written about extensively in multiple reliable architecture magazines and books, then it qualifies. Winning an award from a non-notable organization that is also given to 279 other schools is not a clear claim to notability. And piping "Magnet school" to "Magnet Schools of America" is poor quality editing because it implies that the notability of that organization has been established, and it hasn't. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 18:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:::I would talk much less about occurrences of the event and much more about what independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] say about it. You meed to show that it is [[WP:NEVENT|a notable event]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 23:18, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
:::Oh Alright, Thank you. So, do I just delete the article I suppose? [[User:Cooldudeseven7|Cooldudeseven7]] ([[User talk:Cooldudeseven7|Discuss over a cup of tea?]]) 18:00, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
::::Awesome, thanks for the advice. [[User:GeorgeHav|GeorgeHav]] ([[User talk:GeorgeHav|talk]]) 23:19, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
== 1913:1802, 3029 August 20242025 review of submission by LaurisamVaibhav9786 ==
{{Lafc|username=LaurisamVaibhav9786|ts=1913:1802, 3029 August 20242025|draft=Draft:PrytaneanReason for Article Rejection}}
MyCould Wikipediayou submissionplease waslet rejectedme becauseknow itwhy wasmy deemedarticle “notwas sufficiently notablerejected.” I believe it does meet the criteria but may need guidance onJust howwanted to betterget demonstratean this.understanding Couldso youI advisedo onnot howmake tothe strengthensame themistakes article?again [[User:LaurisamVaibhav9786|LaurisamVaibhav9786]] ([[User talk:LaurisamVaibhav9786|talk]]) 1913:1802, 3029 August 20242025 (UTC)
:{{u|Laurisam}} Rejection means that resubmission is not possible. An organization being old doesn't make it notable. If you have independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] that discuss how the organization is [[WP:ORG|notable as defined by Wikipedia]] that you have not yet provided, the first step is to appeal to the last reviewer directly. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 20:53, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:{{courtesy link|Draft:Virtual CFO Services in India}}
== 20:48, 30 August 2024 review of submission by Nangthang ==
:@[[User:Vaibhav9786|Vaibhav9786]]: your draft was purely promotional, and written not like an encyclopaedia article but a sales brochure.
{{Lafc|username=Nangthang|ts=20:48, 30 August 2024|draft=Draft:PDF Zoland}}
:Presumably you work for YourCFO, which is what the spam link at the end of the draft was pointing to? In which case, you need to disclose your paid-editing-status (this has already been queried on your talk page), and I would also advise against continuing down this promotional road, lest you get blocked. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 13:12, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
I been trying make PDF Zoland (Zomi Federal Union) Articles, it keep getting deny. How can I improve it? [[User:Nangthang|Nangthang]] ([[User talk:Nangthang|talk]]) 20:48, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
== 17:25, 29 August 2025 review of submission by FurretSuperFan ==
:You have been told several times why your article keeps being rejected. It's a short stub without sufficient sources. Please go back and read the templates and comments left on the draft. Thanks — [[User:MaxnaCarta|<span style="color:#AA9977">MaxnaCarta </span>]] ( [[User talk:MaxnaCarta|💬]] • [[Special:Contributions/MaxnaCarta|📝]] ) 02:45, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
{{Lafc|username=FurretSuperFan|ts=17:25, 29 August 2025|draft=Draft:Greatest_Idol}}
Hi my article got denied for the reason that it does not qualify for a Wikipedia article due to not having reliable sources. I'm trying to aim for the notability that the album charted in a national music chart, specifically in the Oricon and Billboards charts. I just wanted to make sure that these links count towards reliability and notability under secondary or independent sources
https://www.oricon.co.jp/prof/552646/products/1042567/1/
= August 31 =
https://www.billboard-japan.com/charts/detail?a=top_albums&year=2013&month=11&day=18 [[User:FurretSuperFan|FurretSuperFan]] ([[User talk:FurretSuperFan|talk]]) 17:25, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
== 06:49, 31 August 2024 review of submission by TorhoKO ==
{{Lafc|username=TorhoKO|ts=06:49, 31 August 2024|draft=Draft:Helena_Koch}}
Hi, my submission has been declined a couple of times - and I'd like to get help in editing. I think the author is indeed worth an article on wiki, just like many other of her generations' authors from Estonia already have. I've provided lots of third party sources, that confirm her notability so I'd really like to get an perspective on what to change to get approval for the article. Thank you very much for your assistance. [[User:TorhoKO|TorhoKO]] ([[User talk:TorhoKO|talk]]) 06:49, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, @[[User:FurretSuperFan|FurretSuperFan]]. A sales site is almost never acceptable as a source: it is not independent.
:@[[User:TorhoKO|TorhoKO]]: the sources are book reviews, a database entry, and links to Finnish and Latvian publishers of her books, none of which contribute anything towards notability for her (though the book reviews might help make ''the books'' notable).
:The Billboard might be reliable, but does not contain [[WP:significant coverage|significant coverage]], as it is just a listing, and I don't think it would count as a [[WP:secondary source|secondary source]] either. We really need independent, in-depth reviews. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 19:26, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
:Whether {{tq|"many other of her generations' authors from Estonia"}} are featured in Wikipedia articles isn't how we determine notability. She will have to establish notability in her own right, either via the general [[WP:GNG]] or the special [[WP:AUTHOR]] guideline. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 07:04, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
::Would this link work for Oricon instead?
::{{u|TorkhoKO}}, in all honesty, I have my doubts that {{tpq|an Estonian writer who has published four childrens' books}} is a convincing claim to notability. In the 21st century publishing ecosphere, I could write four children's books tomorrow, one about a baby eagle, one about a baby raven, one about about a baby sea otter, and for my granddaughter, one about a unicorn colt with rainbow coloration, and have all four published immediately if I have enough money to spend. Your draft needs to make it clear how this this author meets [[WP:NAUTHOR]]. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 07:09, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
::https://www.oricon.co.jp/prof/552646/rank/album/ [[User:FurretSuperFan|FurretSuperFan]] ([[User talk:FurretSuperFan|talk]]) 20:01, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
:::you might be able to write them but I wonder if you can repeatedly secure support by the Estonian cultural endowment for their publication and translation. So I beg to differ and I'll add a reference to the cultural endowment selecting to support the publication. Also the publishers are not random self-publishing houses but established Estonian publishers. [[Special:Contributions/80.235.122.205|80.235.122.205]] ([[User talk:80.235.122.205|talk]]) 07:13, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
::Would this link cunt for a secondary source?
::not exclusively book reviews, her books have been repeatedly selected as some of Estonia's most beautiful books. And being translated and published in both Finland and Latvia is a notable achievement as well. [[Special:Contributions/80.235.122.205|80.235.122.205]] ([[User talk:80.235.122.205|talk]]) 07:09, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
::https://otakumode.com/otapedia/vocaloid/hatsune_miku/mitchie_m [[User:FurretSuperFan|FurretSuperFan]] ([[User talk:FurretSuperFan|talk]]) 20:19, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
:::Again, if her books have been awarded or picked on some 'most beautiful' lists, these feats might help make those ''books'' notable, but unless we're talking Pulitzer or Nobel calibre recognition, they really won't make ''her'' notable. And having books translated really is no achievement, either, especially children's books (stereotypically, lots of pretty pictures and very little text).
:::Count* [[User:FurretSuperFan|FurretSuperFan]] ([[User talk:FurretSuperFan|talk]]) 20:19, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
:::I'm not categorically saying this person couldn't be notable, but so far there has been no evidence of that.
::::It doesn't matter which link you use for Oricon - sales sites are almost never acceptable, period.
:::BTW, please remember to log in whenever editing. Thanks, --- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 07:23, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
::::The Otakemode bit appears to be a wiki, with no byline. It therefore fails to be a [[WP:reliable source|reliable source]], and it is very likely not an [[WP:independent source|independent source]] either - we can't tell who submitted it, but it is likely to be the subject or their agents. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 10:16, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::I fail to see how one of her books being placed on somebody's list of 30 "beautiful books" published in Estonia or Latvia or Finland is a claim of notability. There are countless media outlets that publish "Top 25 under 25" [[listicles]], and such "award" lists are ubiquitous on the internet. Similar list articles do not establish notability unless the awarding organization and the award itself are the subjects of Wikipedia articles, and the receipt of the award is covered in reliable sources independent of the awarding organization itself. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 07:32, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::Wow.. so are you claiming there's only Pulitzer recipients on wiki? @[[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] It's Estonia and not just some list but an annual competition and selection by a jury of experts organised by the Estonian Writers Union.
::::::I really get your points and I would like to appreciate them, but they seem quite distanced from reality working as an author in North-Eastern Europe and getting public money to have books published and translated and featured by established outlets in recognizing their notability. I assume I should have made this article in Estonian first, then there would be editors maybe understanding the context better. [[User:TorhoKO|TorhoKO]] ([[User talk:TorhoKO|talk]]) 07:43, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::I didn't say only Pulitzer-winning authors can have articles in Wikipedia. I said that if you're relying on winning prizes or awards to establish someone's notability, those have to be of significant standing (and even then, it's far from clear that notability can be thus established).
:::::::You're certainly welcome to create this article in the Estonian Wikipedia (assuming you can satisfy their notability and other requirements, of course). The English-language one is not 'special' or 'superior' in any way, it just happens to be the biggest.
:::::::And not that it matters in the slightest, but as it happens, I have a somewhat better understanding of North-Eastern European circumstances than you might think. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 07:58, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Is it somehow significant that this author obtains public money to publish her work? The US [[National Endowment for the Arts|has a similar program]]. If you're saying that the fact she obtains public money makes her notable, that would probably be the same as receiving an award- that government program would need to be shown to be notable first. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 08:03, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::{{u|TorkhoKO}}, I do not see the [[Estonian Writers Union]] mentioned in your draft. Am I wrong? If not, why not? I am not saying or hinting or implying that the Pulitzer Prize is the only notable award for literature. There are clearly hundreds or even thousands of such awards that are the subjects of Wikipedia articles that establish the notability of such awards, and winning a notable award is a piece of evidence in favor of notability. But they need to be properly referenced in the draft. I see no claim that she has received a notable award in your draft. Your comment {{tpq|maybe understanding the context better}} is not productive because your responsibilty as an author of this draft (perhaps eventually an article) is to make the context and the notability clear to any English speaking high school student in Nigeria or India or New Zealand, or even an older man like me living in California. We do not need Estonians in particular to detect notability. We need that evidence to be clearly present in the draft. We need rigorously written prose and supporting references that convince experienced Wikipedia editors from any country that this person is notable. I am not that hard to convince. Convince me. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 08:27, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::I'll update - thanks for that remark. [[User:TorhoKO|TorhoKO]] ([[User talk:TorhoKO|talk]]) 09:36, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::Well I think it's significant to get this kind of support, cause there's an expert jury that looks at applications and decides which kind of literary works they want to support. Thanks for you comment. [[User:TorhoKO|TorhoKO]] ([[User talk:TorhoKO|talk]]) 09:36, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
== 0818:10:3602, 3129 August 20242025 review of draftsubmission by HimaldrmannJetsonesque ==
{{Lafc|username=HimaldrmannJetsonesque|ts=0818:10:3602, 3129 August 20242025|draft=WikipediaDraft:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Add_WikiProject_tagsSam_Bregman}}
Can anyone provide any guidance or input on the latest draft?
Regarding comments on 29 April by editor Paul W, a public media search likely supports relevance/notoriety for Sam Bregman, but that was not established with proper sources and citations.
Earlier entries for Sam Bregman were rejected for relevance, formatting, peacocking and lack of supporting citations. The latest edits attempt to remove problematic text, clean up formatting and citations, comply with tone and informational intentions of Wikipedia entries for public figures, and establish relevance.
I'm confused by the "AfC" thing—the pages on article creation seem to suggest that I can simply create an article and didn't need to go through the review process, since my account and # of edits meet or exceed the requirements to do so.
It may be helpful to compare with the entry for former Las Cruces Mayor, Ken Miyagishima. Intention of latest edition is to create a similar entry for Bregman, with similar tone and proper support material.
Is this the case? If so, how do I, uh, un-submit my article ([[Draft:Hinc illae lacrimae]]) & just publish it, instead of waiting 4+ months(!)?
[[User:Jetsonesque|Jetsonesque]] ([[User talk:Jetsonesque|talk]]) 18:02, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
(Not that it's really urgent or anything... but still! It took several hours for all the phrasing, sourcing, & OCD-editing... so I want it accessible, darn it! :P)
:Hello, @[[User:Jetsonesque|Jetsonesque]]. It is almost ''never'' relevant to compare articles with existing article. Unless the article you are comparing with is either a [[WP:good article|good article]] or a [[WP:featured article|featured article]], its quality is unclear, and may be terrrible. See [[WP:other stuff exists|other stuff exists]]. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 19:29, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
Cheers & thanks,
= August 30 =
[[User:Himaldrmann|Himaldrmann]] ([[User talk:Himaldrmann|talk]]) 08:10, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
== Feedback on revised draft: Gerald P. Curatola ==
:@[[User:Himaldrmann|Himaldrmann]]: usually you could literally just undo your submission, but seeing as you created the whole thing in a single edit, that's not an option. You can remove all the AfC templates from the draft, but that's a bit messier.
Hello, I’m seeking feedback on [[Draft:Gerald P. Curatola]], which was previously declined for formatting and sourcing issues. I have now:
:You can then move the article into the main space, which will have the effect of removing the Draft: prefix from its title. New page patrol will then come along at some point to run the proverbial ruler over it.
:HTH, -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 08:15, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you very much!
::One request for clarification, if you have an extra sec: does removing the Afc templates automatically move it into the main space, or is that some second action I must take afterward?
::(Sorry, I OCD-edit wording/grammar on articles a lot but this is the first time I actually created one--I saw that the [[Lacrimae rerum]] article didn't have "hinc illae lacrimae" in the "See also:" section, and when I went to add it, I found there ''was'' no "hinc illae lacrimae" page... I'm ''supposed'' to be doing actual work, but, well, I just couldn't let that stand--... Lol!)
::Cheers,
::[[User:Himaldrmann|Himaldrmann]] ([[User talk:Himaldrmann|talk]]) 08:22, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
::D'oh, I think I see it (the "Move" link, surprisingly enough...).
::NOW my only question is, ''re'' the templates: do I need to somehow remove "transcluded" templates (and if so, uh, how--)?
::Thanks again, and my apologies for my slow''(-in-the-head-)''ness,
::[[User:Himaldrmann|Himaldrmann]] ([[User talk:Himaldrmann|talk]]) 08:27, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Himaldrmann|Himaldrmann]]: no, removing the AfC templates doesn't move the draft into the main space, or v.v.
:::Let me know if you'd like me to do all that. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 08:29, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
::::{{u|Himaldrmann}}, please be prepared to explain why this topic belongs on the English Wikipedia instead of [[Wikiquote]]. It seems more appropriate for that other website to me. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 08:44, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::Tbh, I don't know if it ''isn't'' more appropriate for Wikiquote or not—I based the decision to create it on Wikipedia partly because there would be room to explain a bit about & include examples of notable historical uses, and I had the impression Wikiquote entries were mainly "just the quote"; and partly on the fact that entries like [[Lacrimae rerum]] existed (...and I wanted the articles to include each other under "See also" as a pleasing symmetry, heh, because I'm obsessive-compulsive–).
:::::But if more experienced editors object, I won't kick up a fuss or nothin'!
:::::[[User:Himaldrmann|Himaldrmann]] ([[User talk:Himaldrmann|talk]]) 11:35, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you very much for your help! Please accept this sham trophy until I may craft you a better one: ✨🏆✨
::::Cheers once more 🥂,
::::[[User:Himaldrmann|Himaldrmann]] ([[User talk:Himaldrmann|talk]]) 11:41, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::Just for the record, I didn't actually do anything, because another reviewer had already done the deed by the time I got there. But I'll keep the trophy in a safe place (aka. the pawn shop) until {{u|Theroadislong}} comes to claim it. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 13:43, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::This got me wondering what the origin of the word was and apparently it's ..."derived from the Greek tropaion, referred to arms, standards, other property, or human captives and body parts (e.g., headhunting) captured in battle". I'll let you keep it this time. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 13:48, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
* Rewritten in neutral prose.
== 09:27, 31 August 2024 review of submission by Arnavvibhuti ==
* Replaced weak/self-published links with strong independent sources (Forbes, Miami Herald, Vogue, New York Post, Purist, Yahoo).
{{Lafc|username=Arnavvibhuti|ts=09:27, 31 August 2024|draft=Draft:Echoes Of Kotdwar}}
* Corrected citations (ISBN for book, Vogue link, NYU Nexus PDFs confirming Acton Medal and Curatola Wing).
The book is available on Google books and multiple other sites globally. I am not able to add references. Kindly add references and create the article. [[User:Arnavvibhuti|Arnavvibhuti]] ([[User talk:Arnavvibhuti|talk]]) 09:27, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
* Removed Markdown formatting that triggered the last decline.
:{{u|Arnavvibhuti}} I fixed your link, you need the "Draft:" portion. If you are unable to add references, the topic cannot be on Wikipedia. Any article about this topic must summarize what independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] with significant coverage choose on their own to say about it, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of [[WP:NBOOK|notability]]. The text that is there now- even if it were sourced- is a blatant advertisement. That's not permitted on Wikipedia. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:31, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Arnavvibhuti|Arnavvibhuti]]: sorry, but that's not how this works, we don't fulfil article creation requests here at the help desk. If you want [[Draft:Echoes Of Kotdwar]] to be accepted, you need to provide evidence that it is notable, either per [[WP:GNG]] or [[WP:NBOOK]]. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 09:32, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Could someone review and let me know if the draft now appears ready for resubmission?
== 09:55, 31 August 2024 review of submission by Kaeez06 ==
Thanks very much.
{{Lafc|username=Kaeez06|ts=09:55, 31 August 2024|draft=Draft:Matha Senior Secondary School}}
[[User:GCNYdentist|GCNYdentist]] ([[User talk:GCNYdentist|talk]]) 05:41, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
Clarification on Reference Requirements for School Articles
:Your autobiography is totally unsourced please don't use AI here it is notoriously bad at creating articles. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 08:16, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
Hello,
== 09:17, 30 August 2025 review of submission by Rsakib188 ==
I recently submitted a Wikipedia article for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Matha_Senior_Secondary_School Matha Senior Secondary School] but it was declined due to insufficient references. I understand the importance of citations, but I noticed that similar school articles, like the one for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop_Moore_Vidyapith,_Cherthala Bishop Moore Vidyapith, Cherthala] , have been accepted with only a single citation from the official school website.
{{Lafc|username=Rsakib188|ts=09:17, 30 August 2025|draft=Draft:2025_CUCSU_election}}
My submission was rejected and the reason that was given is "This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia.". Although there are similar articles on wikipedia. Such as [[2025 DUCSU election]] and [[2019 DUCSU election]]. Want to know how can I improve this arcticle to that it get published. [[User:Rsakib188|Rsakib188]] ([[User talk:Rsakib188|talk]]) 09:17, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
:Please see [[WP:OSE|other stuff exists]], each article or draft is judged on its own merits and not based on the presence of other articles that themselves may be inapproprate and just not yet addressed. Perhaps those two articles should be removed. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:22, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
Given that Matha Senior Secondary School is a well-established educational institution, I believe the reference requirements might be more flexible, especially since it is common for school articles to have limited external sources. Could you please clarify why the article was declined and provide guidance on what constitutes sufficient referencing for school articles? Additionally, how can I ensure that my submission meets the necessary standards?
::I'm really struggling to understand why we should have any information on some students' union elections (!) in a global encyclopaedia. (I'm even doubtful about the viability of [[Draft:Chittagong University Central Students' Union]].) -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 09:27, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
:::There are four autonomous public universities (out of 41 public universities) in Bangladesh that has student parliament (simply called student union) and those are of big deal, as these parliment shape national issues and the elected leaders of these student parliament gets to play role in national politics and even become future national leaders and ministers. These parliment also has say on appointment of Vice-chancellors and teachers of these university. [[User:Rsakib188|Rsakib188]] ([[User talk:Rsakib188|talk]]) 09:54, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
::::Then provide some reliable independent sources that talk about the union in depth, @[[User:Rsakib188|Rsakib188]]. Without several sources that each meet all the criteria of [[WP:42]], a draft (or an article) is like a house without foundations, and not acceptable to Wikipedia. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 10:23, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
::::Are you saying that by law these student bodies have formal input into the operation of the public universities they are associated with? I ask because that's unusual- in the US, at least- where most student bodies are advisory or only have privileges at the pleasure of the university, not in law. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 12:33, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::Yes, by law student leaders have 5 seat in university senate. And these four universities were established and govern by the act of Bangladeshi parliament as autonomous body. [[User:Rsakib188|Rsakib188]] ([[User talk:Rsakib188|talk]]) 17:27, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
== 13:24, 30 August 2025 review of submission by Devolver789 ==
Thanks in advance. [[User:Kaeez06|Kaeez06]] ([[User talk:Kaeez06|talk]]) 09:55, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
{{Lafc|username=Devolver789|ts=13:24, 30 August 2025|draft=Draft:Steal_a_Brainrot}}
You wouldn't know Steal a Brainrot would be suitable for Wikipedia if you looked for proper, notable and reliable citations yourself [[User:Devolver789|Devolver789]] ([[User talk:Devolver789|talk]]) 13:24, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
:Sorry, was that a question? -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 13:25, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Kaeez06|Kaeez06]]: we don't assess drafts by comparing them to whatever may exist out there among the nearly 7m articles in the English-language Wikipedia; we do so by reference to the currently applicable policies and guidelines. And no, those requirements are not 'flexible', they are pretty much hard and fast. This draft needs to demonstrate that the subject is notable, either per [[WP:GNG]] or [[WP:ORG]], and it currently falls well short of either. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 10:03, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
:{{ping|Devolver789}} There is a very distinct possibility that ''Steal a Brainrot'' is a notable subject. The problem is that [[WP:UNDUE|pretty much all of your sources]] [[WP:RSCONTEXT|waste time on the feud between]] its and ''[[Grow a Garden]]'''s lead developers. Only GameRant discusses ''Steal a Brainrot'' in the context of a review. I have no trouble finding sources that are actually ''about'' the game and not the tangential beef. —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[User:Jéské Couriano/AG|threads]] [[User:Jéské Couriano/Decode|critiques]]</small></sup> 14:35, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
:{{u|Kaeez06}} (EC) fixed your header, the name of the draft is supposed to go where you had "Clarification..." written. Just because another article exists does not mean that it was "approved" by anyone. There are many ways to get inappropriate articles past us, and you would not be aware that they were inappropriate as an inexperienced user. We haven't yet gotten around to removing all the inappropriate articles, as this is a volunteer project where people do what they can, when they can. See [[WP:OSE|other stuff exists]]. Many articles about schools were created before policies were tightened up a few years ago(see [[WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES]]) and existence is no longer sufficient to merit an article. The school must receive significant coverage in independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]], showing how it meets the [[WP:ORG|special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization]].
::I would like to note I attempted to help out with the draft, locating reviews from Polygon, Kotaku, and GameRant. Problem is, two of the sources fall under purview of [[WP:VALNET]], and [https://www.nme.com/news/gaming-news/steal-a-brainrot-is-robloxs-latest-viral-hit-grow-a-garden-3888650 an additional NME source] I've discovered doesn't qualify as [[WP:SIGCOV]]. As such, I had to regrettably abandon my efforts pending the publication of more reliable reviews. — [[User:VolatileAnomaly|<b style="background-color:black;border:3px solid gray;padding:3px;color:lime;">🪫Volatile</b>]] <sup>[[User talk:VolatileAnomaly|''' 📲T''']] | [[Special:Contributions/VolatileAnomaly|'''⌨️C''']]</sup> 04:32, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
:If you would like to help us, please point out other inappropriate articles on schools so we can take action. We need the help. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 10:06, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
:::One option would've been to post at [[WP:VG]] to seek the input of editors more familiar with reliable videogame sourcing, but then I discovered the Kotaku source was listed under the opinions section, which was the nail in the coffin for me. If any other editors feel [[Special:Diff/1308406121|this version]] is salvageable feel free to do so. — [[User:VolatileAnomaly|<b style="background-color:black;border:3px solid gray;padding:3px;color:lime;">🪫Volatile</b>]] <sup>[[User talk:VolatileAnomaly|''' 📲T''']] | [[Special:Contributions/VolatileAnomaly|'''⌨️C''']]</sup> 04:52, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
== 1018:2701, 3130 August 20242025 review of submission by ParsitaVasyaPetrovna ==
{{Lafc|username=ParsitaVasyaPetrovna|ts=1018:2701, 3130 August 20242025|draft=Draft:Hrishikesh_MajumdarSak-Bahlán}}
Hi - this is the first time I've created a new page. The documentation is a little overwhelming? 😅 I tried submitting the draft for review but the "Draft article not currently submitted for review" box came up, and I don't know what to do next. [[User:VasyaPetrovna|VasyaPetrovna]] ([[User talk:VasyaPetrovna|talk]]) 18:01, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
What information i am missing? I understand the importance of citation. I have cited links from reliable sources about the subject including newspaper journals. I have taken reference of another wikipedia subject https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishaan_Ghosh. Please assist. [[User:Parsita|Parsita]] ([[User talk:Parsita|talk]]) 10:27, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
:{{u|VasyaPetrovna}} I fixed your header so it links to your draft as intended; you need the "Draft:" portion of the title.
:You just need to click the blue "Submit your draft for review!" button in the bottom right corner of the notice that you speak of. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 18:27, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
::When I click it, it brings up another window, "Template - Generated from: AfC submission." I don't know what if anything I should be changing in that window? [[User:VasyaPetrovna|VasyaPetrovna]] ([[User talk:VasyaPetrovna|talk]]) 19:06, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
:::Never mind, I got it - thank you! [[User:VasyaPetrovna|VasyaPetrovna]] ([[User talk:VasyaPetrovna|talk]]) 19:45, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
== 18:27, 30 August 2025 review of submission by Tanja0615 ==
:Social media is not a reliable source. YouTube is not a reliable source, unless the video is from a reputable media outlet on its verified channel. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 10:31, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
{{Lafc|username=Tanja0615|ts=18:27, 30 August 2025|draft=Draft:Mehmed_Begić}}
:An acceptable Wikipedia article is a summary of what [[WP:42|independent reliable sources]] have published about the subject: nothing less, and very little more. As far as I can see not one of your citations is to a [[WP:reliable source|reliable source]] that is [[WP:IS|wholly unconnected with Majumdar]] and contains [[WP:significant coverage|significant coverage]] of Majumdar. That means that you have nothing at all to base your draft on, and it cannot possibly be an acceptable article. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 14:22, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for your review. The draft was not written with ChatGPT. One citation I formatted accidentally contained a tracking parameter (utm_source=chatgpt.com) in the URL, which I have now removed. I spent considerable time collecting and checking references from reliable published sources. Could you please point me to any specific passages where you think the language may not be neutral or where style should be adjusted? I’ll gladly revise those. [[User:Tanja0615|Tanja0615]] ([[User talk:Tanja0615|talk]]) 18:27, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
:Realiable If there another way to send a Screen here it would Second to it takes secong to submit [[User:Jweighed1|Jweighed1]] ([[User talk:Jweighed1|talk]]) 16:06, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Tanja0615|Tanja0615]] I declined without prejudice, you have now re-submitted which was the correct thing to do. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">'''[[User:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span>]]</small></span> 11:57, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
== 16:03, 31 August 2024 review of submission by Jweighed1 ==
{{Lafc|username=Jweighed1|ts=16:03, 31 August 2024|draft=Abusing the Auth}}
for safety Measure Of Fraud And Zero Trust Artificial Intelligence Law [[User:Jweighed1|Jweighed1]] ([[User talk:Jweighed1|talk]]) 16:03, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
== 21:31, 30 August 2025 review of submission by Matthewbyver ==
:Hello, Jweighed1. You apparently submitted your sandbox [[User:Jweighed1/sandbox]], but that has no content. (Another editor has undone the submission).
{{Lafc|username=Matthewbyver|ts=21:31, 30 August 2025|draft=Draft:Matthew_Byver}}
:Please read [[WP:YFA]] to understand how to create a Wikipedia article.
:{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}}My page is not for promotion, is to help a small music artist to build his career by offering additional informations [[User:ColinFineMatthewbyver|ColinFineMatthewbyver]] ([[User talk:ColinFineMatthewbyver|talk]]) 1621:1031, 3130 August 20242025 (UTC)
:What you describe is the [[WP:YESPROMO|exact definition of promotion]]. Wikipedia is the last place to write about something, not the first. A subject must have already arrived and be noticed in order to draw the necessary coverage in independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] that can be summarized in an article. It needs to show that you are a [[WP:BAND|a notable musician]] already, you cannot use Wikipedia to generate notability. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell about themselves, please read the [[WP:AUTO|autobiography policy]] and also how [[WP:PROUD|an article is not necessarily desirable]]. I wish you luck with your career, I suggest thar you focus on that and allow an article to develop the usual way, when an independent editor takes note of coverage of you and chooses to write about you. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 00:24, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
== 17:09, 31 August 2024 review of submission by Rresha ==
:In other words, you're trying to use Wikipedia as a publicity platform, and [[WP:NOTPUBLICITY|that is not allowed]] under any circumstances. To merit a Wikipedia article, you can't be up-and-coming. You must have already arrived. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 02:07, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
{{Lafc|username=Rresha|ts=17:09, 31 August 2024|draft=Draft:Daddi_Cool}}
what do i need to reference in this article to get it approved [[User:Rresha|Rresha]] ([[User talk:Rresha|talk]]) 17:09, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
== 21:40, 30 August 2025 review of submission by 69.255.14.163 ==
:First you can tell us what your relationship is with him, as it appears he attempted to write this text himself at [[Draft:Magnus Achor]]. You might also want to let him know that he has likely improperly claimed the photo(with a watermark) as his own personal work and has improperly claimed that he personally owns the copyright. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 17:14, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
{{Lafc|username=69.255.14.163|ts=21:40, 30 August 2025|draft=User:Wiseman2025/sandbox}}
has my artilce been rejected ? [[Special:Contributions/69.255.14.163|69.255.14.163]] ([[User talk:69.255.14.163|talk]]) 21:40, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
:Be sure to log in before you write anything here.
== 17:45, 31 August 2024 review of submission by Ansaar20 ==
:That draft has been ''declined'', not rejected. If it's declined, it means you can improve it and submit it again once you have addressed the reviewer concerns. If it's rejected, then you give up and move on to something else. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 01:12, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
{{Lafc|username=Ansaar20|ts=17:45, 31 August 2024|draft=Draft:Yibaman}}
Please add this is new company [[User:Ansaar20|Ansaar20]] ([[User talk:Ansaar20|talk]]) 17:45, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
= August 31 =
:{{ping|Ansaar20}} If it is a new company then the odds are it cannot meet the [[WP:Reliable sources|requirements]] for a [[WP:Notability|Wikipedia article]] at this time. We are not a directory or billboard. —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[User:Jéské Couriano/AG|threads]] [[User:Jéské Couriano/Decode|critiques]]</small></sup> 18:14, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
== 09:18:21, 31 August 20242025 review of submission by SUNIL SUNDARITxcraig75 ==
{{Lafc|username=SUNIL SUNDARITxcraig75|ts=09:18:21, 31 August 20242025|draft=UserDraft:SUNIL_SUNDARI/sandboxDirty_Thirty_(Texas_politics)}}
I'm a bit gobsmacked that this has been rejected for lack of "reliable sources." Three New York Times articles, an article from the state historical association, a retrospective by the local ABC news affiliate, an article published in an Abilene newspaper, and a published memoir by one of the group's members are not "reliable?" [[User:Txcraig75|Txcraig75]] ([[User talk:Txcraig75|talk]]) 09:18, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
I am Sunil kumar meena
My Wikipedia page should be made public My Wikipedia page should be made public [[User:SUNIL SUNDARI|SUNIL MEENA]] ([[User talk:SUNIL SUNDARI|talk]]) 18:21, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
:This is an encyclopaedia NOT social media. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 18:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
:{{ping|SUNIL SUNDARI}} [[WP:Biographies of living persons|Absolutely]] [[WP:Notability|not]]. We are not going to accept an unsourced two-sentence "article" on a living person. —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[User:Jéské Couriano/AG|threads]] [[User:Jéské Couriano/Decode|critiques]]</small></sup> 18:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
:I don't think it's the sources themselves that are the issue, but I see some unsourced sentences. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:20, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
== 22:14, 31 August 2024 review of submission by Robertabonaldo ==
{{Lafc|username=Robertabonaldo|ts=22:14, 31 August 2024|draft=Draft:João_Paulo_Krajewski}}
problems having article accepted [[User:Robertabonaldo|Robertabonaldo]] ([[User talk:Robertabonaldo|talk]]) 22:14, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
== 19:53, 31 August 2025 review of submission by Thilio ==
:@[[User:Robertabonaldo|Robertabonaldo]]: that's not a question; do you have one in mind you'd like to ask? You've resubmitted the draft and it is awaiting another review. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 06:08, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
{{Lafc|username=Thilio|ts=19:53, 31 August 2025|draft=Draft:AY_Poyoo}}
This [[Draft:AY_Poyoo]] got declined by [[User:TheBirdsShedTears|TheBirdsShedTears]], Reasons {{tq|"This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of music-related topics)."}} Okay wait a minute, let me list the independent sources (BBC Newss, Vanguard News, Savanna News, The Guardian Nigeria, Modern Ghana, Pluse Ghana, News Hunter, Daily Guide Network including the Secondary sources et cetera. {{tq|"they do not show significant coverage"}} really?? can other editor please search this subject "AY Poyoo" on Microsoft Bling, Google search or any other search engine, because I did that and I found +50 pages and on and on, I also add new references. I'm just curious, PLEASE can experience Editor go and take a look at it. @[[User:TheBirdsShedTears|TheBirdsShedTears]] thank you though, you can also check and leave afc comment if there is issues that need to be corrected. Thanks [[User:Thilio|Thilio]]<sup>[[User talk:Thilio|<span class="robot-signature"><span class="robot-text" style="color:green;">R O B O T</span></span><span class="robot-emoji">🤖</span> <span style="color:#00008B;">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:53, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
:Hello, @[[User:Thilio|Thilio]]. You're misunderstanding [[WP:IS|independent]]. If an article is based on an interview or a press release, then it is not independent, irresepctive of who publishes it. Some of your sources certainly have that problem: some may be independent, I haven't looked.
= September 1 =
:You need several sources which each meet all the criteria in [[WP:42]]. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 09:43, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] Thanks, got it [[User:Thilio|Thilio]]<sup>[[User talk:Thilio|<span class="robot-signature"><span class="robot-text" style="color:green;">R O B O T</span></span><span class="robot-emoji">🤖</span> <span style="color:#00008B;">talk</span>]]</sup> 09:46, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
== 0221:3803, 131 SeptemberAugust 20242025 review of submission by Xinwang822ProfZacchaeus ==
{{Lafc|username=Xinwang822ProfZacchaeus|ts=0221:3803, 131 SeptemberAugust 20242025|draft=Draft:Shao_LiGUIDELINES FOR SUBMITTING ARTICLES }}
Hello,
Dear reviewer,
I will like to be educated on the vital websites that one can use to cite in line in an article i am writing. infact i need credible sites i can be using. Becuase i have beautiful aricles but i dont have citations for them and when i tried submitting a draft to be considered. It was declined and one of the reasons was that i didnt use credible citations.
and that i was using model language like chatgpt to write my articles.
Please specify which reference does not meet the requirements. Do you give examples of references that meet the requirements? I will modify it as required, thank you! [[User:Xinwang822|Xinwang822]] ([[User talk:Xinwang822|talk]]) 02:38, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
So in summary, i need guidelines that can help me avoid declines when i post or publish my article through my sandbox.
:@[[User:Xinwang822|Xinwang822]]: this draft wasn't declined for inadequate referencing, but rather for inadequate evidence of notability. You need to provide sources proving that the subject satisfies either of the [[WP:GNG]] or [[WP:NACADEMIC]] guidelines. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 06:06, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
I am a newbie but a passionate one at that. Thank you [[User:ProfZacchaeus|ProfZacchaeus]] ([[User talk:ProfZacchaeus|talk]]) 21:03, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
== 07:02, 1 September 2024 review of submission by Artaxerex ==
{{Lafc|username=Artaxerex|ts=07:02, 1 September 2024|draft=Draft:Alishah Novin}}
please help me to improve
Alishah Novin has been helping youth to become computer savey, and NTC has awarded him for his efforts. There has been many videos of his work. I think NTC should be a reliable source, despite the fact that Novin is now moved to Seatelle. Please help me to improve the article. [[User:Artaxerex|Artaxerex]] ([[User talk:Artaxerex|talk]]) 07:02, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
:{{u|Artaxerex}} I fixed your post to provide a link to your draft as intended, so we know what you are referencing. This isn't the place to request co-editors. NTC may be a reliable source for its own awards, but it is not an ''independent'' source and as such does not establish [[WP:BIO|that they meet the definition of a notable person]]. Any article about this person must summarize what independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] with significant coverage choose on their own to say about them. Please see [[WP:YFA|Your First Article]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 07:09, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
::I appologize for not understanding that NTC is not independent source. I used Ai to generate the article. I thought independent implies the source should not be related to Alishah Novin. [[User:Artaxerex|Artaxerex]] ([[User talk:Artaxerex|talk]]) 07:19, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
:::{{u|Artaxerex}} It's not a good idea to be using AI to generate an article, that presents several issues, see [[WP:LLM]]. If you're doing that because English is not your primary language, you may feel more comfortable editing the Wikipedia of your primary language. There is nothing special about the English Wikipedia, it isn't better than others.
:::Awards do not contribute to notability unless the award itself merits an article(such as [[Nobel Peace Prize]] or [[Academy Award]] or [[Filmfare Award]]) but even then there needs to be more than just documentation of the award, there needs to be independent reliable sources that discuss it. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 07:32, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
:Don't write articles [[WP:BACKWARD]], which is what you are doing. You should find sources ''first'', before you write a single word. Your sources should meet the three criteria in [[WP:Golden Rule]]. And write in your own words. Don't use an AI. ChatGPT is horrible at writing articles, and tends to hallucinate things and write in a non-neutral way, even though it may insist it's neutral.
== 07:05, 1 September 2024 review of submission by Rockywriter88 ==
:That's how you avoid your drafts being declined. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 21:15, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
{{Lafc|username=Rockywriter88|ts=07:05, 1 September 2024|draft=Draft:Ruben_van_Schalm}}
::::Dear Reviewer,
::::In response to the previous feedback, I have made significant updates to the draft, particularly to enhance the notability of Ruben van Schalm's work. Below are the key changes:
::::# '''Museum Collections''': I have provided detailed references showing that Ruben van Schalm's ''artwork'', not just his book Paradise, is included in the permanent collections of notable museums. For example, his work is now part of the collection at The MA-g The Museum of Avant Garde, Switzerland, CH [https://www.ma-g.org/artists/ruben-van-schalm/], which is a recognized institution in the art world. This inclusion contributes directly to establishing his notability.
::::# '''Secondary Sources''': I have added secondary sources, including interviews and critical analyses, to provide independent coverage of his work. These sources are attached as PDFs, and have also been cited within the draft to support various claims about his career and impact in the field of photography. [https://www.rubenvanschalm.com/usr/documents/press/download_url/6/artdoc.pdf] - [https://www.rubenvanschalm.com/usr/documents/press/download_url/7/paradise_-ruben-van-schalm-muse-e-magazine.pdf] - [https://www.rubenvanschalm.com/usr/documents/press/download_url/5/artbenelux.de-artikel-.pdf]
::::# '''Inline Citations''': All claims related to his museum collections, exhibitions, and other notable achievements have been backed by inline citations, allowing for easy verification of the information provided.
::::# '''Addressing Concerns''': I have taken care to address the concerns raised in previous reviews, particularly regarding the use of primary sources and the importance of showcasing his artwork's inclusion in notable institutions.
::::'''Note''': Additionally, I have included Authority Control databases in the draft to further enhance its credibility and verification. These databases provide standardized information and external validation of Ruben van Schalm's identity and works, contributing to the draft's overall reliability and notability.
::::I hope these updates meet the necessary notability and sourcing guidelines for the draft to be accepted. I would appreciate any further feedback or guidance you may have.
::::Thank you for your time and consideration.
::::Best regards,
::::Rockywriter88 [[User:Rockywriter88|Rockywriter88]] ([[User talk:Rockywriter88|talk]]) 07:05, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
::If you feel you have fundamentally changed the draft to address the concerns of reviewers, the first step is to appeal to the reviewer that rejected the draft. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 07:10, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
= September 1 =
== 09:51, 1 September 2024 review of submission by DOKTOR RICEBOWL ==
{{Lafc|username=DOKTOR RICEBOWL|ts=09:51, 1 September 2024|draft=User:DOKTOR_RICEBOWL/sandbox}}
My submission on an article of a living person has been decline because the submission does not use adequate reliable sources. This submission's references "does not show the subject qualifies a Wikipedia article" I would like to request help to improve the article to get this article approved. [[User:DOKTOR RICEBOWL|DOKTOR RICEBOWL]] ([[User talk:DOKTOR RICEBOWL|talk]]) 09:51, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
== 05:22, 1 September 2025 review of submission by 濵島 ==
:@[[User:DOKTOR RICEBOWL|DOKTOR RICEBOWL]]: you need to support the information with reliable sources throughout, and at least a few (3+) of those sources must establish notability per [[WP:GNG]]. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 10:20, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
{{Lafc|username=濵島|ts=05:22, 1 September 2025|draft=Draft:YOHO_BREWING}}
Hello, I'm the author of this draft. My article submission was declined, but I'm having trouble understanding some of the reasons. Could you please provide some more specific feedback on how to improve the draft and get it approved? Is it okay to cite sources from Japanese sites?Thank you for your help. [[User:濵島|濵島]] ([[User talk:濵島|talk]]) 05:22, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|濵島}} We accept non-English citations. (We also accept cites to print media and cites to non-English print media.) I would note, however, that most reviewers are going to be using automated translation for non-English sources, and automated translation tends to fare poorly on context-heavy East Asian languages. —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[User:Jéské Couriano/AG|threads]] [[User:Jéské Couriano/Decode|critiques]]</small></sup> 06:51, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
== 10:48, 1 September 2024 review of submission by 24.250.192.190 ==
{{Lafc|username=24.250.192.190|ts=10:48, 1 September 2024|draft=Draft:Michael_Presley_Bobbitt}}
This is a Cedar Key personality who has legitimate press articles from Miami to NYC. Would anyone be kind enough to help with this submission? I feel the references are more than adequate and surpass in quality and quantity several similar accepted entries for notable celebrities. Michael has been featured all over the world for his reporting during Cedar Key extreme weather events, he's a published author, his many plays are performed regionally in Florida and he's been twice off-Broadway. As a Cedar Key celebrity coined as, "The Clambassador", he's represented aquaculture throughout Florida. Although his celebrity is deeply integrated in the small town of Cedar Key, it is his widespread media attention which makes him notable in my estimation. I'm not a professional Wiki-editor, but I've managed to get two other notable people represented in Wikipedia with far fewer references, so I'm at a loss as to why this is repeatedly and so quickly rejected. Maybe the standards have changed over the years, but I believe Mr. Bobbitt is notable and would appreciate any help in getting this article approved and listed in Wikipedia. Thank you kindly. [[Special:Contributions/24.250.192.190|24.250.192.190]] ([[User talk:24.250.192.190|talk]]) 10:48, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
== 11:14, 1 September 2025 review of submission by Amir Gull1 ==
:You resubmitted it, the reviewer will leave feedback if not accepted. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 10:55, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
{{Lafc|username=Amir Gull1|ts=11:14, 1 September 2025|draft=Draft:Amir_Gull_Timuri}}
:Yes, the standard has changed somewhat over the years, and we have thousands and thousands of articles which would not be accepted today in their current form. Some of these could be brought up to standard by adding better sources, and trimming out text which is either not neutral or not supported by the sources; many of them will be deleted for lack of notability when somebody gets round to it.
Hello, I have created a draft article titled "Amir Gull Timuri".
:Apart from possibly the rather vague "widespread media attention", nothing you have said above is relevant to whether he meets Wikipedia's criteria for [[WP:notability|notability]] - which are, for the most part, about whether people totally unconnected with him, and not fed information on his behalf, have chosen to write in some depth about him and been published in reliable places.
I need assistance to understand what changes or improvements are required so that my draft can be accepted as a Wikipedia article.
:I've only got down as far as your citation no 7, but so far I haven't seen a single source which is independent of Bobbitt. This does not bode well, as none of these contributes in any way to establishing that he is WikiNotable.
Please review it and let me know if there are issues with notability, references, or formatting.
:I recommend you examine each of your sources critically against the criteria in [[WP:42]]. If a source does not appear [[WP:RS|reliable]], get rid of it, and any information that comes solely from it. (For example, I am dubious about Gainesville Downtown: lack of a byline, no mention of an editorial policy, and - to be frank - hosting on Wordpress, all suggest a well-meaning but amateur endeavour).
Thank you for your help! [[User:Amir Gull1|Amir Gull1]] ([[User talk:Amir Gull1|talk]]) 11:14, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
:Any that do not mention him, or only mention him in passing: get rid of them. They add nothing to the article.
:It has been rejected, there is zero evidence of any [[WP:GNG|notability]]. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 11:17, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
:If a source is not independent (ie it is written or published by Bobbitt or his associates, or based on an interview or press release, take it out, but keep hold of it: you may be able to use a few of these later, once you've established notability, as [[WP:primary sources|primary sources]]. It is unlikely that a citation to anything written by him will be of use. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 19:51, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
:Writing about yourself on Wikipedia is very strongly discouraged, because almost nobody has ever managed to do it successfully: see [[WP:autobiography|autobiography]]
:{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 12:48, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
== 1913:1248, 1 September 20242025 review of submission by OfficialzaminaliqaisRahoman ==
{{Lafc|username=OfficialzaminaliqaisRahoman|ts=1913:1248, 1 September 20242025|draft=Draft:Zamin_Ali_QaisCosentino_Group}}
Hi, I asked for help reviewing this article. Several moderators helped me, you can see it here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archive_70#h-Requesting_a_submission,_how_to_procede?-20250731130700). But I haven’t gotten any more replies. Where can I request another review now that I’ve fixed everything that was pointed out? Thanks! [[User:Rahoman|Rahoman]] ([[User talk:Rahoman|talk]]) 13:48, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
I want to add a picture of the subject [[User:Officialzaminaliqais|Officialzaminaliqais]] ([[User talk:Officialzaminaliqais|talk]]) 19:12, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
:First of all, good job adding more sources to the article. Based on the current references, I would say the subject is definitely notable. '''''However''''', the article still [[WP:NOTPROMO|reads like an advertisement]], and not a neutral encyclopedia article. Your edit after my last rejection did nothing to make the article's text less promotional. Furthermore, you still have not responded to repeated questions about whether you have a [[WP:PSCOI|conflict of interest]] regarding the subject. Deal with that first please. <span class="nowrap">—[[User:pythoncoder|<span style="color:#004080">python</span><span style="color:olive">coder</span>]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]])</span> 21:58, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
:Pictures are not relevant to the draft process, which only considers the text and sources. You can add images later. As you seem to represent the person you are writing about, you must disclose that, see [[WP:COI]] and [[WP:PAID]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 19:42, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
== [[User:GeorgeM2011/EYstreem]] ==
== 20:33, 1 September 2024 review of submission by Wp.ramesh wiki ==
{{Lafc|username=Wp.ramesh wiki|ts=20:33, 1 September 2024|draft=Draft:Ramesh Auti}}
Hi anyone can tell me I have write the article named Ramesh Auti, what is that publishing problem. [[User:Wp.ramesh wiki|Wp.ramesh wiki]] ([[User talk:Wp.ramesh wiki|talk]]) 20:33, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
:The{{u|GeorgeM2011}} reviewershas haveasked detailedfor theassistance problemson their draft [[User:GeorgeM2011/EYstreem]] at the{{slink|User_talk:GeorgeM2011#How_to_Improve}}. topAny ofand theall draftassistance would be appreciated. [[User:331dotPrimefac|331dotPrimefac]] ([[User talk:331dotPrimefac|talk]]) 2014:4825, 1 September 20242025 (UTC)
:Answered <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">'''[[User:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span>]]</small></span> 15:38, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
== 23:36, 1 September 2024 review of submission by CyantubeD ==
{{Lafc|username=CyantubeD|ts=23:36, 1 September 2024|draft=User:CyantubeD/sandbox}}
confused
== 15:54, 1 September 2025 review of submission by 89.101.68.143 ==
why did i just have a unexcepted article [[User:CyantubeD|CyantubeD]] ([[User talk:CyantubeD|talk]]) 23:36, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
{{Lafc|username=89.101.68.143|ts=15:54, 1 September 2025|draft=User:Michael_miron123/sandbox}}
just a famous lad who wants a Wikipedia account and dose not have any fane [[Special:Contributions/89.101.68.143|89.101.68.143]] ([[User talk:89.101.68.143|talk]]) 15:54, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
:Wikipedia is not a placeThanks for youflagging tothis tellup, yourI thoughtswill ongo aand topic.delete That's what social media is forit. Please see the [[WP:ADVENTURE|new user tutorial]] to learn more about what we do here.-- [[User:331dotDoubleGrazing|331dotDoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:331dotDoubleGrazing|talk]]) 0015:0456, 21 September 20242025 (UTC)
== 16:31, 1 September 2025 review of submission by Mguenego.usparis ==
= September 2 =
{{Lafc|username=Mguenego.usparis|ts=16:31, 1 September 2025|draft=Draft:Ström_Paris}}
Hello! I'd like to know if my draft is okay and can be published ? Or if I still need to do some modifications ? Thanks a lot. [[User:Mguenego.usparis|Mguenego.usparis]] ([[User talk:Mguenego.usparis|talk]]) 16:31, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
:You have submitted the draft and it is pending. The reviewer will leave you feedback if they do not accept the draft. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 16:40, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
== 01:46, 2 September 2024 review of submission by Fatorious music entertainment ==
{{Lafc|username=Fatorious music entertainment|ts=01:46, 2 September 2024|draft=Fatorious music entertainment limited}}
creativity💃 and innovation [[User:Fatorious music entertainment|Fatorious music entertainment]] ([[User talk:Fatorious music entertainment|talk]]) 01:46, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
== 18:22, 1 September 2025 review of submission by Changingwormhole ==
:I do not even know to begin with this. Do I address the fact you are submitting draft articles with the same title as your username, indicating a violation of WP:PROMO? Or the fact you submitted a blank sandbox for consideration by AFC? Frankly I feel like your behaviour indicates that you are [[Wikipedia:Here to build an encyclopedia|not here to build an encyloapedia]], so I'd stop while you're ahead. Please do not keep trying to get promotional material for your company posted, this is not the appropropriate place. — [[User:MaxnaCarta|<span style="color:#AA9977">MaxnaCarta </span>]] ( [[User talk:MaxnaCarta|💬]] • [[Special:Contributions/MaxnaCarta|📝]] ) 04:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
{{Lafc|username=Changingwormhole|ts=18:22, 1 September 2025|draft=Draft:V-DOC}}
Hello, I would like some help understanding why my draft was declined. The reviewer noted that the references do not demonstrate notability and that I need more reliable, independent secondary sources.
In my draft, I cited three independent news articles (Kuwait Times, Madhyamam, and Manorama Online) that directly cover the project. I also cited the official company website for technical details (such as the robot’s specifications and ecosystem), since I couldn’t find those details in news reports.
== 08:59, 2 September 2024 review of submission by ABastol ==
{{Lafc|username=ABastol|ts=08:59, 2 September 2024|draft=Draft:The_Philosophy_of_Different_Timeline:_Is_There_Another_Civilization_On_Earth_Along_With_Us?}}
I would like to publish good article in Wikipedia, for that I need advice to write a good article [[User:ABastol|ABastol]] ([[User talk:ABastol|talk]]) 08:59, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Could the inclusion of the company website as a supporting source have been the problem? If so, am I allowed to use the website only for factual details (like names of components, patent numbers, etc.) while keeping the news articles as the independent coverage that demonstrates notability?
:This draft is an essay, not an encyclopedia article. Please see [[WP:YFA|Your First Article]] and use the [[WP:ADVENTURE|new user tutorial]] to learn more about Wikipedia. Writing a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia, and it is not the only or even best way one can contribute. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:01, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Any guidance would be much appreciated.
== 12:25, 2 September 2024 review of submission by Wikirobag ==
{{Lafc|username=Wikirobag|ts=12:25, 2 September 2024|draft=Draft:FAMM}}
Hi, I've made modification in order my draft to fit wikipedia's recommendations but I did not get updates on this, would you mind letting me know if this draft can be updated ?
Thanks a lot! [[User:Wikirobag|Wikirobag]] ([[User talk:Wikirobag|talk]]) 12:25, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Page link for reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:V-DOC [[User:Changingwormhole|Changingwormhole]] ([[User talk:Changingwormhole|talk]]) 18:22, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Wikirobag|Wikirobag]]: I'm not sure what you mean by "updates", but just to say that you haven't resubmitted this draft since your edits, therefore it isn't in the pending pool awaiting another review. If you would like it to be reviewed again, you need to click on that blue 'resubmit' button. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 12:36, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
*I fixed your header so that your draft is linked to as intended; you need the full title including the "Draft:" portion. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 18:24, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
== 1519:2511, 21 September 20242025 review of submission by AyanPlushDon Wanyama Off ==
{{Lafc|username=AyanPlushDon Wanyama Off|ts=1519:2511, 21 September 20242025|draft=Draft:Bella_the_WolfList_Of_Media_Tycoons_In_Africa}}
IRequest havefor tore makereview thison pagethe becausedraft IList haveof toMedia spreadTycoons awarenessIn toAfrica other people about doxxing or mocking religions that someone follows [[User:AyanPlushDon Wanyama Off|AyanPlushDon Wanyama Off]] ([[User talk:AyanPlushDon Wanyama Off|talk]]) 1519:2511, 21 September 20242025 (UTC)
:@[[User:AyanPlush|AyanPlush]]:If thisyou drafthave hasaddressed beenthe rejectedconcern andof willthe thereforefirst notreviewer, beyou consideredmay further.click the Resubmit --button. [[User:DoubleGrazing331dot|DoubleGrazing331dot]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing331dot|talk]]) 1519:3428, 21 September 20242025 (UTC)
:Note that list articles must collect members of the list that merit articles themselves. You're just listing names, none of them have articles, never mind sources. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 19:29, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|AyanPlush}} [[WP:NOT#SOAPBOX|That is not what Wikipedia is for.]] And we can't use Wikitubia as a source ([[WP:SPS|no editorial oversight]]) - especially not for [[WP:Biographies of living persons|biographical claims]] - even if it were [[Help:Referencing for beginners|all properly sourced]]. —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[User:Jéské Couriano/AG|threads]] [[User:Jéské Couriano/Decode|critiques]]</small></sup> 15:55, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
:* [[WP:then how do people make things huh. just randomly type in some basic knowledge and gets approved while I am working so hard and get rejected. There are people who work hard.QUACK]] Just- approveSPI itfiled [[User:AyanPlushKylieTastic|AyanPlushKylieTastic]] ([[User talk:AyanPlushKylieTastic|talk]]) 19:5950, 21 September 20242025 (UTC)
:::Wikipedia does not lead, it follows. Wikipedia is the last place to write about something, not the first. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 20:09, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
::::wise words... good job motivating me [[User:AyanPlush|AyanPlush]] ([[User talk:AyanPlush|talk]]) 20:35, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::I'm sorry, there are places to do what it is you are trying to do, Wikipedia isn't one of them. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 22:14, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
::::::ill try to do my best. For now on. I'll be using Wikitubia or Wikipedia [[User:AyanPlush|AyanPlush]] ([[User talk:AyanPlush|talk]]) 06:29, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
= September 2 =
== 16:36, 2 September 2024 review of submission by 41.223.73.224 ==
{{Lafc|username=41.223.73.224|ts=16:36, 2 September 2024|draft=Draft:K1ll.4.radar}}
How can I make my article accepted [[Special:Contributions/41.223.73.224|41.223.73.224]] ([[User talk:41.223.73.224|talk]]) 16:36, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
== 01:00, 2 September 2025 review of submission by Asf132 ==
:You have zero [[WP:Reliable sources|usable sources]]. This is not acceptable for [[WP:Notability|''any'' article]], let alone one on a [[WP:Biographies of living persons|living person]]. —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[User:Jéské Couriano/AG|threads]] [[User:Jéské Couriano/Decode|critiques]]</small></sup> 16:47, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
{{Lafc|username=Asf132|ts=01:00, 2 September 2025|draft=Draft:Rao Mulpuri}}
Hi! I am awaiting submission of this biographical article, and despite fixing the initial request from my evaluator, because the article title was "moved" I'm not sure he/she was able to look at the right one. Could someone please ensure everything is ok? I believe it is ready for publishing [[User:Asf132|Asf132]] ([[User talk:Asf132|talk]]) 01:00, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
:I also would like to add that I do not believe that my previous evaluator speaks/understands English proficiently, as evidenced by the language used on their "talk" page and does not grasp the magnitude of the content covered by the professionally written secondary-sourced articles (Bloomberg, Business Insider, Fortune, etc.), which was in this case is covering a once multi-billion-dollar company's CEO.. [[User:Asf132|Asf132]] ([[User talk:Asf132|talk]]) 03:31, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
== 19:05, 2 September 2024 review of submission by 41.223.73.177 ==
::@[[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] could you please take a look? [[User:Asf132|Asf132]] ([[User talk:Asf132|talk]]) 05:18, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
{{Lafc|username=41.223.73.177|ts=19:05, 2 September 2024|draft=Draft:K1ll.4.radar}}
My:::@[[User:Asf132|Asf132]]: articlesorry, wascan rejectedyou please clarify your question – are you just wanting to fast track your draft's review? -- [[SpecialUser:Contributions/41.223.73.177DoubleGrazing|41.223.73.177DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:41.223.73.177DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 19:05:21, 2 September 20242025 (UTC)
::::The issue in question when I spoke to the reviewer "Như Gây Mê" was a lack of notability, but it seems even by the most pessimistic metric of evaluation the subject would qualify under Wikipedia's standards. The reviewer replied to me in broken English without sufficiently providing an explanation for their evaluation: "Hi, I think this is not the right time for me to publish your article, the information is still too little to show the notability of the subject." So I'm asking for another staff member to evaluate the notability requirements of the individual/the article and if they do indeed suffice then I believe that yes, the article should be published based on that being the "issue" of the article. If that "asks" for a faster review, then I guess that's the answer? But it was more of a prior concern with how this requirement was being evaluated.
::::Thank you! [[User:Asf132|Asf132]] ([[User talk:Asf132|talk]]) 05:26, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
:::::You have resubmitted the draft, and will therefore get a 'second opinion' in due course once a reviewer gets around to assessing it. We don't provide on-demand reviews here at the help desk.
:::::I have no comment to make regarding another reviewer's command of English; nor should you, in my opinion. Any reviewer working on the English Wikipedia will almost certainly have sufficient skills to be able to review a draft and its associated English-language sources. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 05:36, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
::::::Ok, got it. I also just received your message about managing a conflict of interest, and I would like to let you know that there is no personal or professional connection to my subject. I have studied the subject independently through my own research in the last half-decade as his company was rising and falling. This should be clearly evidenced by my neutrality throughout my draft, which highlights both his professional accomplishments as well as evidence that he played a significant role in the eventual bankruptcy of his company. [[User:Asf132|Asf132]] ([[User talk:Asf132|talk]]) 05:48, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Unusually (for me), I reviewed the draft you refer to, and also had to decline it for lack of evidence of notability. Most of the sources are either primary, or cover the View company with only passing mentions of Mulpuri. I believe the only one that provides significant coverage directly about him is [https://www.businessinsider.com/view-rao-mulpuri-softbank-bankruptcy-cantor-rxr-2024-8 this] ''BI'' piece (also cited for the second time via AOL, for some reason). -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 05:56, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
:::::::PS: I did not decline this because of the unreferenced DOB, I declined it because of insufficient evidence of notability. Resubmitting without any attempt at addressing that issue is disruptive. Don't do that again, please, or your draft may be rejected outright. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 05:58, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Thank you, I appreciate your time and feedback. I have found sources that are secondary that cover the subject in depth and added/replaced them now (if applicable to the content). [[User:Asf132|Asf132]] ([[User talk:Asf132|talk]]) 06:14, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You have replaced one source, and resubmitted. Even if that new source were solid, which it isn't, that would still not be sufficient to satisfy [[WP:GNG]].
:::::::::You do you, I suppose, but just be aware that you do not have unlimited attempts at this. If I were you, I would try to make the most of your chances. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 06:20, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::Actually, there were an additional two sources added (one of which was to provide a source for the year, which I will concede is not secondary)) and the other was the Forbes article that was added in with new content (which would count as secondary). Only the second mention of the Business Insider article source was swapped for an equivalent one that aimed to resolve your issue earlier about how it was cited twice (which is what you were referring to, unless you did not see my latest edits). So that was not the one in question that I was referring to. But I understand your general point and will add more that would fit the requirement. [[User:Asf132|Asf132]] ([[User talk:Asf132|talk]]) 06:28, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::Indeed, you did add more than one new source... after my comment here. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 06:42, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
== 02:01, 2 September 2025 review of submission by Elesha1188 ==
:That's correct, because there isn't the slight suggestion of, let alone evidence for, [[WP:notability|notability]] of any flavour. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 19:16, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
{{Lafc|username=Elesha1188|ts=02:01, 2 September 2025|draft=Draft:Cyrus_Tang_Foundation}}
:And please don't start a new thread with each question or comment, just add to the existing one. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 19:16, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
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:@[[User:Elesha1188|Elesha1188]]: now declined for the third time. As I said in my comments two declines ago, primary sources do not establish notability per [[WP:ORG]], and that's all your draft cites. We need to see significant coverage of this organisation in multiple ''secondary'' sources. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 05:17, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
== 20:29, 2 September 2024 review of submission by 2A02:A03F:85FD:8100:7D21:1545:5AFE:8A51 ==
:Hello, @[[User:Elesha1188|Elesha1188]].
{{Lafc|username=2A02:A03F:85FD:8100:7D21:1545:5AFE:8A51|ts=20:29, 2 September 2024|draft=Draft:Jane_Wills_(New_Zealand_Actor)}}
:{{HD/WINI}}
in my opinion, my article was good, i used a known wikipipedia article, to be sure that the lay-out was correct, enough references, an biografy, career , so i don't know what else i can do that my article would be accepted [[Special:Contributions/2A02:A03F:85FD:8100:7D21:1545:5AFE:8A51|2A02:A03F:85FD:8100:7D21:1545:5AFE:8A51]] ([[User talk:2A02:A03F:85FD:8100:7D21:1545:5AFE:8A51|talk]]) 20:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
:You have provided no evidence that they pass [[WP{{User:GNG]] or [[WP:NACTOR]]?ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} [[User:TheroadislongColinFine|TheroadislongColinFine]] ([[User talk:TheroadislongColinFine|talk]]) 2009:3659, 2 September 20242025 (UTC)
::''Rat World'' is basically a one person operation run by Jennifer Cheuk, with help of a designer/business helper. Although the article says a few nice things about Wills, it is not a reliable source and it is not significant coverage. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 21:38, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Your first reference is to a promotional show business page that she controls. That is not an independendent source. Your second reference is to a YouTube video clip, which is not a reliable source, not independent of Wills and not significant coverage of Wills. What is required here are references to multiple reliable sourced that are fully independent of Wills and devote significant coverage to Wills. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 21:44, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
::::Appearing in five episodes of a soap opera with over 7,900 episodes is not a major role. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 21:48, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
== 2104:3204, 2 September 20242025 review of submission by 2603:8000:BE00:373E:B85F:3CE4:B6BF:2122Goldface2009 ==
{{Lafc|username=2603:8000:BE00:373E:B85F:3CE4:B6BF:2122Goldface2009|ts=2104:3204, 2 September 20242025|draft=DraftUser:Randal_WellsGoldface2009/sandbox}}
please review my article and let us know which source is still missing or violate the policy [[User:Goldface2009|Goldface2009]] ([[User talk:Goldface2009|talk]]) 04:04, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
Thank you for your feedback regarding the submission of the Wikipedia article for Randal Wells. I appreciate the guidelines provided on the notability of music-related topics, and I would like to respectfully request reconsideration of this submission based on additional context and references.
:@[[User:Goldface2009|Goldface2009]]: we don't provide pre-reviews here at the help desk, you'll get a proper review once you submit your draft. I've added a template to it which has a blue 'submit' button for that. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 05:13, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
Notability and Significant Coverage:
== 04:33, 2 September 2025 review of submission by Samyfit556b ==
BMI Recognition: Randal Wells, formerly known as Random Wright, was recognized by Broadcast Music, Inc. (BMI), a major American music rights organization, as a "Know Them Now" artist. This designation is not merely a passing mention but a significant recognition of emerging talent in the music industry. BMI's acknowledgment of Randal Wells positions him among artists who are considered influential in shaping contemporary music.
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tell me how do i create the sandbox i wnat to create please sir help [[User:Samyfit556b|Samyfit556b]] ([[User talk:Samyfit556b|talk]]) 04:33, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Samyfit556b|Samyfit556b]]: it's right there, in the above link. That's where your rejected draft on BBKaPitara is. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 05:11, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
MTV's Making the Band 4: Randal Wells' participation in MTV’s Making the Band 4 provided him with national exposure and led to his transition from local to national recognition. The show, produced by Sean Combs (P. Diddy), was a significant platform that launched the careers of several artists who are now notable figures in the music industry. Wells' inclusion in this show underscores his relevance and notability within the entertainment industry.
== Requesting Review for Draft:Dhiman (Caste) ==
Legislative Impact in Florida: Randal Wells’ work as the President of Florida's State Youth Advisory Board led to the successful lobbying for the "Road to Independence Act," which extended benefits for foster youth. This legislative achievement is documented in Florida's legislative archives and recognized by various child welfare organizations. This work highlights his impact beyond the music industry and his significant role in advocacy.
Hello! I have created and submitted a draft article titled '''[[Draft:Dhiman (Caste)]]'''. I have done my best to follow Wikipedia's guidelines regarding notability, neutrality, and sourcing.
Media Coverage: Randal Wells has been featured in multiple reputable media outlets:
I would appreciate it if an editor could take a look and provide feedback or review it for publication. Thank you for your time and help!
FOX LA's Community Champions: Wells was honored for his contributions to foster care advocacy and his work in the entertainment industry. The recognition from a major news outlet like FOX LA provides significant coverage of his impact.
[[User:Indiauser1971|Indiauser1971]] ([[User talk:Indiauser1971|talk]]) 08:55, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
ThisIsRnB and Singersroom: Both platforms have featured in-depth articles on Wells, discussing his music and his journey. These articles provide more than just passing mentions, offering detailed coverage of his career and influence.
Recording Academy and Grammy Awards: Randal Wells, under his former name Random Wright, has been featured by the Recording Academy and has appeared at the Grammy Awards, with his image being captured and distributed by Getty Images. His connection with the Recording Academy, combined with his Grammy appearance, further cements his notability within the music industry.
:You have submitted it for review and it is pending. Please be aware of the rules when editing about social groups in India- I will post them to your user talk page- probably you shouldn't have created this draft at all- but if it is accepted, you cannot edit it again until your account is extended-confirmed(30 days old with 500 edits) [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:07, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
Request for Consideration:
:Hello, @[[User:Indiauser1971|Indiauser1971]].
Given the significant recognition by BMI, national exposure through MTV, impactful advocacy work documented by the state of Florida, and detailed media coverage in reputable sources, I believe that Randal Wells meets the criteria for notability under Wikipedia's guidelines. I have provided reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject and demonstrate substantial coverage of his achievements.
:Separately from the point 331dot made about Indian social groups, {{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 10:00, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
== 10:12, 2 September 2025 review of submission by 103.182.14.46 ==
I kindly request that the submission be reconsidered with the above context in mind. Randal Wells' contributions to both music and foster care advocacy are notable, and his story is one of resilience, creativity, and impact. His inclusion in Wikipedia would provide valuable information to those seeking to learn about artists and advocates who have significantly influenced their fields.
{{Lafc|username=103.182.14.46|ts=10:12, 2 September 2025|draft=Draft:Ehtasham_Malik}}
Can you guide me on which words are promotional [[Special:Contributions/103.182.14.46|103.182.14.46]] ([[User talk:103.182.14.46|talk]]) 10:12, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
== 10:16, 2 September 2025 review of submission by 102.22.207.86 ==
Thank you for your time and consideration.
{{Lafc|username=102.22.207.86|ts=10:16, 2 September 2025|draft=Unite180}}
Article was declined. Any assistance possible with getting it approved and guidance on writing it better or removing references that seem problematic. [[Special:Contributions/102.22.207.86|102.22.207.86]] ([[User talk:102.22.207.86|talk]]) 10:16, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
== 10:55, 2 September 2025 review of submission by NeutralMMMUser ==
Sincerely,
{{Lafc|username=NeutralMMMUser|ts=10:55, 2 September 2025|draft=Draft:Objective_Platform}}
I tried to adjust this article multiples times to the feedback I got but apparently it's still not good enough – can someone help or tell me what exactly is not working? I just quoted external sources and took out everything that I think sounds like "advertisement". [[User:NeutralMMMUser|NeutralMMMUser]] ([[User talk:NeutralMMMUser|talk]]) 10:55, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
:You are making a common, but fundamental, mistake in that you are telling us what you want the world to know about your company. That is the wrong approach. A Wikipedia article about a company must summarize what independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of [[WP:ORG|a notable company]]. Interviews, press releases, brief mentions, or the reporting of routine business activities does not establish notability. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 12:39, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
Randal Wells [[Special:Contributions/2603:8000:BE00:373E:B85F:3CE4:B6BF:2122|2603:8000:BE00:373E:B85F:3CE4:B6BF:2122]] ([[User talk:2603:8000:BE00:373E:B85F:3CE4:B6BF:2122|talk]]) 21:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
:Please read [[WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY]]. Attempting to write an autobiography is ''strongly'' discouraged and almost never successful. Your draft is highly self-promotional and your post here is highly self-promotional. Promotion, advertising, marketing, public relations and all similar behaviors are not permitted on Wikipedia. Please post this content on social media platforms, not on this encyclopedia, because the [[WP:NPOV|neutral point of view]] is a core content policy here. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 21:57, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
::I have had the article edited by a 3rd party as to not indicate bias. If someone says they have passed legislation, appeared on film and television, musical works are being played on television, and released multiple musical projects, I'm not understanding how that does not qualify as reputable or self promotion. It just seems like bias to not publish. [[Special:Contributions/2603:8000:BE00:373E:B85F:3CE4:B6BF:2122|2603:8000:BE00:373E:B85F:3CE4:B6BF:2122]] ([[User talk:2603:8000:BE00:373E:B85F:3CE4:B6BF:2122|talk]]) 22:03, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
:::[[WP:COI|Anyone working under your direction is tantamount to you doing the edits yourself.]] I will look at your sources shortly. —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[User:Jéské Couriano/AG|threads]] [[User:Jéské Couriano/Decode|critiques]]</small></sup> 22:06, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Refer to my /Decode subpage (linked in my signature as "critiques"):
:::* [[WP:DISCOGS|We can't use Discogs (no editorial oversight).]]
:::* We can't use https://www.bmi.com/photos/entry/552216 ([[WP:SIGCOV|too sparse]]). Images are practically worthless as sources as there's nothing to really work with without a significant amount of context (in which case, you're generally better off citing the article providing that context instead). The same applies to https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/musical-artist-random-wright-arrives-at-the-grammy-news-photo/160967159 .
:::* We can't use https://thisisrnb.com/2016/01/indie-rising-artist-random-wright-releases-4-letter-words-ep/ ([[WP:SPS|unknown provenance]]). Role byline; who wrote this?
:::* [[Ditto mark|" " "]] https://singersroom.com/content/2011-06-16/random-wright-who-i-am/ [[Ditto mark|(" "). " "; " " "?]]
:::* https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2007/409.1451 is useless for notability under any circumstance ([[WP:PRIMARY|gov't document]]).
:::* https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/foster-tales/id1566153341 is useless for notability ([[WP:PRIMARY|connexion to subject]]). His own podcast.
:::* We can't use https://fostermore.org/fostermoreys/ ([[WP:SPS|no editorial oversight]]). There are millions upon millions of awards, and 99.98% of them do not help for notability either because they are obscure, exist only as a marketing ploy, or are not generally recognised.
:::* We can't use https://podcasts.feedspot.com/foster_care_podcasts/ ([[WP:SIGCOV|too sparse]]). Listicle.
:::* https://vnhsmirror.com/221697/entertainment/lights-camera-hope-kids-in-the-spotlight-inspires-foster-youth-to-tell-their-stories/ is useless for notability ([[WP:SIGCOV|too sparse]]). Perfunctory description before an extended two-paragraph quote.
:::* https://kitsinc.org/kitsfilmawards/ helps for notability. Unfortunately, [[WP:Biographies of living persons|it's completely worthless as a source for anything ''but'' notability]] due to containing no description.
:::* https://www.foxla.com/news/community-champions-kits-film-awards is in the same boat as the above. Confirms the award, useless for anything else due to lack of description of him.
:::* We can't use https://www.hypefresh.com/randal-wells-has-just-released-his-debut-single-strangers-with-memories/ ([[WP:SPS|no editorial oversight]]). I cannot find any sort of editorial policy, and the site itself bills itself as a gossip site.
:::* [[WP:AFFILIATE|We can't use Apple Music/iTunes (online storefront).]]
:::The only sources that do anything are related to the KITS awards, and even then they're so lacking they're effectively useless. —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[User:Jéské Couriano/AG|threads]] [[User:Jéské Couriano/Decode|critiques]]</small></sup> 22:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
::::You write {{tpq|I have had the article edited by a 3rd party as to not indicate bias}} and yet your draft still contains overtly promotional language like {{tpq|Born in Bridgeport, Connecticut, Wells overcame a tumultuous childhood in the foster care system to become a recognized artist and passionate community activist}} and {{tpq|His persistence paid off}} and {{tpq|Wells found solace in music, writing, and singing as a way to escape the difficulties of his reality}} and {{tpq|His persistence paid off}} and {{tpq|which was well-received and highlighted his journey through the music industry}} and {{tpq|fueled his passion for advocacy}} and {{tpq|he played a pivotal part in lobbying for and passing}} a law. If reliable, independent sources discuss your tumultuous childhood and your passion and your persistence and your solace and the difficulties of your reality and your persistence paying off and that your music was well received and that you are on a journey through the music industry and that you played a pivotal part in passing legislation, then why aren't there references to reliable sources saying all those things in the draft? Otherwise, it comes off as if you are trying to tell your life story in this encyclopedia, and that is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. That is the purpose of social media instead. So, your 3rd party seems unable to detect self-promotional content that experienced Wikipedia editors can detect in one minute. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 03:24, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
== 2211:0559, 2 September 20242025 review of submission by Mickfir103.182.14.46 ==
{{Lafc|username=Mickfir103.182.14.46|ts=2211:0559, 2 September 20242025|draft=Draft:Langha PhobiaEhtasham_Malik}}
Can tell why reject the article [[Special:Contributions/103.182.14.46|103.182.14.46]] ([[User talk:103.182.14.46|talk]]) 11:59, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
The draft for this page has been repeatedly denied due to "do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions)"
:The subject is not [[WP:GNG|notable]] press releases are not reliable independent sources. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 12:10, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
- This is an independent film
- the references in the draft include 2 links to independent news articles. All other references rely primarily on IMDB pages.
There are references that make use of the film's official website, however these are almost always supported by IMDB links too.
Other than IMDB and independent news articles, I fail to see what else can validate this film's existence. I fear the reviewer who has denied this draft has not taken the time to accurately read through the supplied sources. [[User:Mickfir|Mickfir]] ([[User talk:Mickfir|talk]]) 22:05, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
== 12:24, 2 September 2025 review of submission by Talha Sti ==
:{{ping|Mickfir}} [[WP:IMDB|We can't use IMDb (no editorial oversight).]] Your other sources are the production studio (useless for notability: [[WP:PRIMARY|connexion to subject]]) and two [[WP:RSCONTEXT|non-sequiturs]]. You have no [[WP:RS|in-depth, non-routine, independent-of-the-film news/review sources that discuss the film at length, are written by identifiable authors, and subject to fact-checking and editorial oversight]], and so you don't have anything to base an article off of. A plot synopsis is not an article. —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[User:Jéské Couriano/AG|threads]] [[User:Jéské Couriano/Decode|critiques]]</small></sup> 22:28, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
{{Lafc|username=Talha Sti|ts=12:24, 2 September 2025|draft=User:Talha_Sti/sandbox}}
::Will adding more independent news articles that explicitly mention the film help? Or will they too be ignored (as the current two have so far) ? [[Special:Contributions/203.214.60.17|203.214.60.17]] ([[User talk:203.214.60.17|talk]]) 23:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Why my article is not publishing what is wrong in it [[User:Talha Sti|Sti]] ([[User talk:Talha Sti|talk]]) 12:24, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
:::Mere mentions will not work. They need to discuss the film at length. —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[User:Jéské Couriano/AG|threads]] [[User:Jéské Couriano/Decode|critiques]]</small></sup> 00:01, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
::Furthermore, the claim IMDB references are unacceptable - is dubious. For example, the 4th reference on Avengers Endgame is and IMDB citation.
::[[Avengers: Endgame#References]] [[User:Mickfir|Mickfir]] ([[User talk:Mickfir|talk]]) 00:04, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
:::No, that reference is to the IMDb-owned [[Box Office Mojo]], as should be obvious by actually looking at the link. Box Office Mojo is considered a reliable source for box office receipts. —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[User:Jéské Couriano/AG|threads]] [[User:Jéské Couriano/Decode|critiques]]</small></sup> 01:59, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
::::{{u|Mickfir}}, notable films have almost always been extensively reviewed by professional film critics and those reviews have been published in newspapers and magazines that routinely run movie reviews. This film came out only three weeks ago. Perhaps it is too soon at this point. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 03:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
:Your draft lacked the coding needed to submit it- this is provided if you use the [[WP:WIZARD|Article Wizard]] to create and submit a draft.
= September 3 =
:However, your draft was throughly promotional and has been deleted. Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about a company. A Wikipedia article about a company must summarize what independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of [[WP:ORG|a notable company]]. Interviews, press releases, brief mentions, or the reporting of routine business activities does not establish notability.
:If you work for this company/website, you are required by the Terms of Use to disclose that, see [[WP:PAID]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 12:36, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
== 0013:5145, 32 September 20242025 review of submission by 2601:C4:C601:29E0:1DAD:B357:432D:48Kay3233 ==
{{Lafc|username=2601:C4:C601:29E0:1DAD:B357:432D:48Kay3233|ts=0013:5145, 32 September 20242025|draft=Draft:Go AgainAPAC_Tower}}
Hello, I noticed the article on APAC Tower was rejected for notability. I would like guidance on whether the coverage I have from independent sources is sufficient, or what additional sources would be needed.
it is from the producer's twitter so how is it unreliable? [[Special:Contributions/2601:C4:C601:29E0:1DAD:B357:432D:48|2601:C4:C601:29E0:1DAD:B357:432D:48]] ([[User talk:2601:C4:C601:29E0:1DAD:B357:432D:48|talk]]) 00:51, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
I have few questions.
:I believe the decline reason to be a bit misleading and I understand your confusion. It is perfectly fine to cite the producer's tweets for his working process of the song/his opinions/etc, but it wouldn't be reliable for claims that involve third parties. See [[WP:ABOUTSELF]] for more info.
1. Do the awards (Fitwel 3-Star 2025, Thailand Property Award) count as notable recognition for the building?
:However, your draft still needs independent sources. The producer's own tweets are not independent from the song, and only represents the creator's point of view. See [[WP:42]] for more info. [[User:Ca|Ca]] <i><sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">[[User talk:Ca|talk to me!]]</sup></i> 01:26, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Do independent news reports from Bangkok Biz News, RE Talk Asia, and AustCham Thailand establish enough secondary coverage?
::Please familiarize yourself with the [[WP:NSONG|notability guideline for songs]]. You must show that this song meets that guideline. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 04:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Would mentioning prominent multinational tenants (Asia Pulp & Paper, Mazda Sales, TOA Electronics) help demonstrate significance?
Thank you, [[User:Kay3233|Kay3233]] ([[User talk:Kay3233|talk]]) 13:45, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
== 01:44, 3 September 2024 review of submission by Hollyshi ==
{{Lafc|username=Hollyshi|ts=01:44, 3 September 2024|draft=Draft:Michael_William_Morris}}
Based on my current draft, I wonder how I can ensure that the content I draft for a Wikipedia page adheres to academic citation standards, particularly in verifying claims and using reliable sources. Many thanks. [[User:Hollyshi|Hollyshi]] ([[User talk:Hollyshi|talk]]) 01:44, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
:Awards only contribute to notability if the award itself merits an article, like [[Nobel Peace Prize]] or [[Academy Award]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 15:37, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Hollyshi|Hollyshi]]: okay, the good news is, this person is almost certainly notable, with a named chair at Columbia, ''h''-index of 70+, etc.
:The bad news is, some of the information is inadequately referenced, including the claim of the named chair, which is only backed up by his own CV. (I can provide a list of problems with the referencing, if you'd like, or you can wait for the next reviewer's feedback.)
:Moreover, the article is written in a promotional tone, and with oddly non-enyclopaedic expressions throughout. I give just one example:
:<blockquote>{{tq|Morris was born in New York City in 1964 to a family with origins in western Ireland. They later moved “upstate” to the Catskill mountains, near the site of the Woodstock festival. The swirl of subcultures there piqued interests in cultural worldviews. He and his partners at the local public high school were surprise winners of the state debate championships.}}</blockquote>
:I would recommend tigheting up the language and making it more factual and neutral.
:Finally, what is your relationship with this person? I've posted a message on your talk page about conflicts of interest, please read and respond to it. Thanks, -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 05:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
== 0414:5013, 32 September 20242025 review of submission by Yves Martin des TailladesTurnipShadow ==
{{Lafc|username=Yves Martin des TailladesTurnipShadow|ts=0414:5013, 32 September 20242025|draft=DraftUser:Silvia_RouskinTurnipShadow/sandbox}}
I've drafted something but cant see how I move it to be considered for publish [[User:TurnipShadow|TurnipShadow]] ([[User talk:TurnipShadow|talk]]) 14:13, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
Hi,
I would like to know how to edit this article so that it fits Wikipedia's requirements. I think that many people would like to read about Silvi on Wikipedia.
Thanks!
Best, Yves [[User:Yves Martin des Taillades|Yves Martin des Taillades]] ([[User talk:Yves Martin des Taillades|talk]]) 04:50, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:TurnipShadow|TurnipShadow]]: I've added the submission template, it has a blue 'submit' button with which you can send it for review when you're ready. I've also moved it into the draft name space, at [[Draft:Jools’ Law]]. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 14:28, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Yves Martin des Taillades|Yves Martin des Taillades]]: I assume you know the history of [[Draft:Silvi Rouskin]], since this has been created under a slightly different spelling although the draft and the sources all refer to her as 'Silvi'?
:In any case, this draft has been rejected and will therefore not be:Thank consideredyou further.very --much [[User:DoubleGrazingTurnipShadow|DoubleGrazingTurnipShadow]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazingTurnipShadow|talk]]) 0514:2143, 32 September 20242025 (UTC)
::Thanks for your reply. Yes, these two pages are referring to the same person.
::The reasons of the rejection are unclear to me. Could you tell me what's missing? Silvi is a famous professor, most of them have a wikipedia page so that people can know what are their key contributions.
::Thanks for your work! Best, Yves [[User:Yves Martin des Taillades|Yves Martin des Taillades]] ([[User talk:Yves Martin des Taillades|talk]]) 05:26, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
:::I'm happy to add more references to the article if that's any helpful. If it's just that Silvi isn't famous enough (yet?), we can just wait for her to get a few more awards to re-submit the article? I'll appreciate any sort of guidance on this. [[User:Yves Martin des Taillades|Yves Martin des Taillades]] ([[User talk:Yves Martin des Taillades|talk]]) 05:27, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Yves Martin des Taillades|Yves Martin des Taillades]]: the reason for the rejection (and I'm speculating here, as I wasn't the one who rejected this) was that this has been created at this and other title(s) before, involving various problems with paid editing etc., so the reviewer perhaps felt it wasn't necessary to give this the usual multiple reviews before pulling the plug.
:::There is no evidence of notability in the draft, not of [[WP:GNG]] type, and not [[WP:NACADEMIC]] either. I think you need to pass on the message to your friend to forget about having a Wikipedi article for a while, at least until she achieves solid notability (such as a named chair, or membership in a highly selective professional body; awards don't really do the trick, unless they are significant enough to be notable in their own right, and even then it's questionable). -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 05:41, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
::::Thanks DoubleGrazing for the detailed feedback! That's really insightful. I'll pass the message to Silvi. Have a nice day! [[User:Yves Martin des Taillades|Yves Martin des Taillades]] ([[User talk:Yves Martin des Taillades|talk]]) 05:48, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
== 0515:1155:24, 32 September 20242025 review of submission by SalimkanbourPsymba ==
{{Lafc|username=Salimkanbour|ts=05:11, 3 September 2024|draft=Draft:Nuhad_Fuad_Es-Said}}
Hello, my page gets rejected every time, how to solve this issue?
{{Lafc|username=Psymba|ts=15:55:24, 2 September 2025|link=Mike_Abrams_(psychologist)
This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject. [[User:Salimkanbour|Salimkanbour]] ([[User talk:Salimkanbour|talk]]) 05:11, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
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This entry was moved to draft space by OwenX who acknowledged its improvement after several weeks of edits and added citations, writing "I see you've made significant improvements to the draft, both in content and in sourcing" [[User talk: OwenX#Review for Dr. Mike Abrams (psychologist)]]. I invite anyone to suggest or make improvements or who may feel it is ready to return as an entry where it previously was for several years. [[User:Psymba|Psymba]] ([[User talk:Psymba|talk]]) 15:55, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Salimkanbour|Salimkanbour]] There are, in addition, sections without any referencing. We require citations for facts you state. The tone is of a magazine article, not an encyclopaedia article. We require flat, neutral, "dull-but-worthy" prose. My advice is to cut, cut, and cut again. Lose anything where you have no reference 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 07:24, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
:You have submitted it for review and it is pending. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 17:01, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
== 06:30, 3 September 2024 review of submission by 146.255.74.38 ==
{{Lafc|username=146.255.74.38|ts=06:30, 3 September 2024|draft=Draft:Association_for_Community_Colleges}}
Is a list of publications considered relevant for an article about an organisation? [[Special:Contributions/146.255.74.38|146.255.74.38]] ([[User talk:146.255.74.38|talk]]) 06:30, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
== 17:56, 2 September 2025 review of submission by Mamaazhi'iwe ==
:On the whole, Wikipedia articles should not be seen as comprehensive logs of a person or organisation's output and other doings; so on that basis, I would say probably not relevant. If you do intend to include some, keep it to the most noteworthy items only, and even then it would be good to see some context, not just a list for its own sake. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 06:38, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
{{Lafc|username=Mamaazhi'iwe|ts=17:56, 2 September 2025|draft=Draft:Mishiiken Tribe of Mackinac Island}}
::{{declined}} because it needs a comprehensive rewrite to lose the magazine style phraseology. I have said so in my decline 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 07:37, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
I am trying to create a page for the Mishiiken Tribe of Mackinac Island. The first time I submitted it was tagged as appearing to be original research. The second time it was tagged as being written by AI. I did try to use ChatGPT to put things in order and properly format everything, as I find it difficult. Can you tell me what exactly is wrong with it now or how I can fix it? [[User:Mamaazhi'iwe|Mamaazhi'iwe]] ([[User talk:Mamaazhi'iwe|talk]]) 17:56, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
:Hi @[[User:Mamaazhi'iwe|Mamaazhi'iwe]]. Have you checked the output to make sure that ChatGPT has not made up any content, or stated anything that is not verified by the sources? A Wikipedia article is <u>only</u> a summary of what existing reliable published sources state: nothing more. When you use an AI chatbot to help with drafts they have a habit of adding what we call "[[Wikipedia:No original research|original research" or "synthesis]]": information which is ''not'' supported by existing reliable published sources.
:::Is it possible to reveal which of the sources are consider unreliable or dependent? [[Special:Contributions/146.255.74.38|146.255.74.38]] ([[User talk:146.255.74.38|talk]]) 10:10, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
:I would recommend going through the draft and carefully check every line for any evidence that ChatGPT has added any original research or synthesis. Likewise, if you have included any original research or synthesis, please remove this and focus on only summarising what the existing reliable published sources have stated. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">'''[[User:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span>]]</small></span> 19:18, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
::::(Please don't start a new thread, just add to the exiting one.)
::::It's not necessarily the case that any particular source is unreliable. It's more (as I see it, at any rate) a case of there being a lot of unreferenced narrative, which suggests a source other than an independent third party. An example:
::::<blockquote>{{tq|The historical context of the views of the ACC was the ever closer and wider European political cooperation, particularly as this process condensed in EU institutions and in the continuous EU enlargements in the decades after the Fall of the Berlin Wall.}}</blockquote>
::::Whose view does this represent? When the source isn't cited, it becomes Wikipedia's view, which isn't appropriate. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 10:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
== 07:34, 3 September 2024 review of submission by Sampaul1710 ==
{{Lafc|username=Sampaul1710|ts=07:34, 3 September 2024|draft=Draft:Divya_Bharathi}}
how to get it approved [[User:Sampaul1710|Sampaul1710]] ([[User talk:Sampaul1710|talk]]) 07:34, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Sampaul1710|Sampaul1710]]: this draft has been rejected and will therefore not be considered further. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 07:38, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
::why is it rejected? all the information is true and given with citations [[User:Sampaul1710|Sampaul1710]] ([[User talk:Sampaul1710|talk]]) 07:46, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
:::No one has said the information is not true. Much of the draft is unsourced and it reads like a resume, not an encyclopedia article that neutrally summarizes what independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] choose to say about her, showing how she is [[WP:NACTOR|a notable actress as Wikipedia defines it]]. The awards described do not contribute to notability as they do not have articles themselves(like [[Academy Award]] or [[Filmfare Award]]). [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 08:01, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
== 09:33, 3 September 2024 review of submission by Root Equus ==
{{Lafc|username=Root Equus|ts=09:33, 3 September 2024|draft=Draft:Genevieve_Stokes}}
I need help in identifying which parts of the article need citing. Thank you. [[User:Root Equus|Root Equus]] ([[User talk:Root Equus|talk]]) 09:33, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Root Equus|Root Equus]]: see [[WP:MINREF]]. Basically, whenever a reader might challenge or even wonder if something is really true, or what source a statement is based on, there should be the source cited next to it. This is especially important in articles on living people ([[WP:BLP]]). Also, all private personal and family details, such as [[WP:DOB|DOB]], must be clearly supported by reliable sources. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 09:51, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
== 10:19, 3 September 2024 review of submission by Sarajmartin24 ==
{{Lafc|username=Sarajmartin24|ts=10:19, 3 September 2024|draft=Draft:ESG_Summit_Europe}}
Hello,
Thank you for reviewing our submission. We understand that the article was declined due to the following reasons:
== 18:51, 2 September 2025 review of submission by Jrpartlowiv ==
"This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources."
{{Lafc|username=Jrpartlowiv|ts=18:51, 2 September 2025|draft=Draft:William "Bill" Kirk}}
"This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject."
Thanks for your recent review of my Article Page! So that I can meet the mark this next time, can you please tell me what I should add or edit before resubmitting. Any flags and recommendations are welcome as well. Thanks in advance. [[User:Jrpartlowiv|Jrpartlowiv]] ([[User talk:Jrpartlowiv|talk]]) 18:51, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
We have carefully reviewed your feedback and have made further adjustments to the article to ensure it is written in a neutral and academic tone. We have also ensured that the references used are from external, reputable sources such as Forbes, Cinco Días, Bolsamanía, FUNDS PEOPLE, Invertia, and Corresponsables—all of which are well-established and reliable media outlets that have covered the event in depth.
:@[[User:Jrpartlowiv|Jrpartlowiv]] Fundamentally you have not proven how this person meets [[Wikipedia:Criteria for inclusion (people)]]. All your sources are primary and as such they do not "count" towards proving how this person meets that criteria. We're looking for significant coverage in multiple secondary sources that cover this person. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">'''[[User:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span>]]</small></span> 19:15, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
We are unsure what additional steps are required to meet the criteria for reliable sources, as the current references are from recognized and reputable media organizations that provide independent coverage of the event. Could you please provide us with more specific guidance on why these sources are not considered adequate?
== 19:08, 2 September 2025 review of submission by Jcgaylor ==
We would greatly appreciate more detailed feedback on how we can further improve the submission to meet Wikipedia's standards.
{{Lafc|username=Jcgaylor|ts=19:08, 2 September 2025|draft=Draft:South Carolina Human Affairs Commission}}
Hi all! My first article draft ([[Draft:South Carolina Human Affairs Commission]]) is under review. I'd love to get some feedback or critiques on what I did right/wrong, and how I can make it better!
[[User:Jcgaylor|Jcgaylor]] ([[User talk:Jcgaylor|talk]]) 19:08, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
Thank you for your time and assistance.
:Hi @[[User:Jcgaylor|Jcgaylor]]. You've submitted the draft for review - but you will note that the top of the draft states ''This may take 7 weeks or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 2,139 pending submissions waiting for review.'' <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">'''[[User:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span>]]</small></span> 19:14, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
Best regards, [[User:Sarajmartin24|Sarajmartin24]] ([[User talk:Sarajmartin24|talk]]) 10:19, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
::Right... which is why I said it is under review and am seeking feedback on how to improve it in the meantime... [[User:Jcgaylor|Jcgaylor]] ([[User talk:Jcgaylor|talk]]) 19:15, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
:::But, that's what a review is for: to give feedback on how to improve it. You're asking for a ''pre''review, which we don't really do. However, what might make it easier for reviewers to review the draft is for you to highlight on the Draft Talk Page the three (and only three) best sources that each meet: independent of the commission (not based off their website, or a press release, or an interview with staff, or any kind of primary source); devote significant transformational coverage to the commission (some kind of critical analysis, debate, discussion, commentary etc). <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">'''[[User:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span>]]</small></span> 19:22, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
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