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===[[:David Ayer's unrealized projects]]===▼
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The result was '''merge'''__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to [[David Ayer]]. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] [[User talk:Beeblebrox|<sup>Beebletalks</sup>]] 22:52, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
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With a recent expansion of what is considered "unrealized", it's really gotten to a point I have realized these articles largely stand to be rather [[WP:TRIVIA]] and [[WP:FANCRUFT]]. As higlighted by {{Ping|Erik}} at [[Luca Guadagnino's unrealized projects]], "if a so-called "unrealized project" is not talked about in retrospect, it has little value", and as per [[WP:IINFO]], ""To provide encyclopedic value, data should be put in context with explanations referenced to independent sources." Just a contemporary news article about a filmmaker being attached to so-and-so, with no later retrospective commentary, does not strike me as discriminate encyclopedic content to have". I no longer see these pages being of note, and is just a trivial list of several projects, whether they were notable or not, that never came to be, their development or attempted production not being of vital note. [[User:Rusted AutoParts|<span style="font-family:Rockwell; color:red"><i>Rusted AutoParts</i></span>]] 20:24, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
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*<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting|deletion sorting]] lists for the following topics: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Actors and filmmakers|Actors and filmmakers]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Film|Film]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Lists|Lists]], and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/United States of America|United States of America]]. [[User:Skynxnex|Skynxnex]] ([[User talk:Skynxnex|talk]]) 20:35, 19 December 2024 (UTC)</small>
* '''Keep''': Perfectly standard. Sources. [[WP:SPLITLIST]] applies. -[[User talk:Mushy Yank|<span style="font-family:American Typewriter;color:#0F0C0F">Mushy Yank</span>]]. 01:32, 20 December 2024 (UTC) <!--VCB Mushy Yank-->
*:::And in my opinion it probably shouldn’t have. Clearly, what constitutes “unrealized” currently is too broad and thus it has entitled editors to include all these different projects that really don’t fall under “unrealized”. A lot of these articles have sections where it’s just like a sentence or two, and it’s about the director being “offered”, or being “considered” to direct something they never did. Or projects that were announced once and never discussed at all again, or even projects they’re verifiably still attached to and working on. That to me just makes these lists become flashy tidbit factoids that if the project was actually seen through with someone else it can just easily be noted in the film’s article, or the directors article. A whole article dedicated to mostly unproduced films with no notable production history is superfluous. [[User:Rusted AutoParts|<span style="font-family:Rockwell; color:red"><i>Rusted AutoParts</i></span>]] 14:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
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*::::"In my opinion"... Wikipedia is not about opinions, son. Quit while you're ahead, you're just embarrassing yourself at this point. "Power trip", good description to whomever said it. [[User:ZanderAlbatraz1145|ZanderAlbatraz1145]] ([[User talk:ZanderAlbatraz1145|talk]]) 22:07, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
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*<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Television|list of Television-related deletion discussions]]. '''[[User:Wcquidditch|<span style="color:red">WC</span>''<span style="color:#999933">Quidditch</span>'']]''' [[User talk:Wcquidditch|<span style="color:red">☎</span>]] [[Special:Contribs/Wcquidditch|<span style="color:#999933">✎</span>]] 02:50, 20 December 2024 (UTC)</small>
*'''Burn it to ashes, and then burn the ashes''', per [[WP:LISTCRIT]] (what constitutes "unrealized" is horribly vague), [[WP:NOTGOSSIP]] (so-and-so was rumored to be working on such-and-such), and the really excellent nomination statement. [[Special:Contributions/35.139.154.158|35.139.154.158]] ([[User talk:35.139.154.158|talk]]) 15:58, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' to [[David Ayer]] – it makes more sense to discuss these projects in the context of his larger career (or to omit certain projects if their coverage is too trivial, but that can happen after a merge). Regardless of notability, {{tq|at times it is better to cover a notable topic as part of a larger page about a broader topic}} ([[WP:PAGEDECIDE]]). [[User:RunningTiger123|RunningTiger123]] ([[User talk:RunningTiger123|talk]]) 03:56, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Few editors are willing to take responsibility of it. No issue in keeping the article for some more time unless there are no significant improvements. [[User:Raymond3023|Raymond3023]] ([[User talk:Raymond3023|talk]]) 16:22, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:<p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;">'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}'''</span><br />'''Relisting comment:''' Please note that "Perfectly standard" or "No issue in keeping the article" are not guideline-based arguments.<br /><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:OwenX|Owen×]] [[User talk:OwenX|<big>☎</big>]] 08:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:XfD relist --></p>
::Maybe not (although common sense should incite us to believe that a perfectly standard page is very likely an acceptable page as standalone list/article.) But SPLITLIST is a guideline, and a solid reason for keeping list-formatted pages. -[[User talk:Mushy Yank|<span style="font-family:American Typewriter;color:#ED2012">Mushy Yank</span>]]. 13:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''merge back to [[David Ayer]]''' and maybe thin this out. Right now this comes across as the films he ''didn't'' make are the most important part of his work. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 21:30, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*:'''Merge''' There is no reason for this to be a standalone page. Relevant content? Could be, but would make more sense for an "Unrealized projects" section on the [[David Ayer]] page. [[User:OhNoKaren|OhNoKaren]] ([[User talk:OhNoKaren|talk]]) 23:39, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
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::<s>'''Merge''' There is no reason for this to be a standalone page. Relevant content? Could be, but would make more sense for an "Unrealized projects" section on the [[David Ayer]] page. [[User:OhNoKaren|OhNoKaren]] ([[User talk:OhNoKaren|talk]]) 23:40, 7 January 2025 (UTC)</s> <small>Strike duplicate. [[User:Daniel|Daniel]] ([[User talk:Daniel|talk]]) 15:59, 10 January 2025 (UTC)</small>
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