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== p. vs. pp. ==
I recently had another editor change my references which look like this:
:{{tlx|cite|...|p{{=}}300–305}} and {{code|Johnson, 2008, p. 300–305}}
to this:
:{{tlx|cite|...|pp{{=}}300–305}} and {{code|Johnson, 2008, pp. 300–305}}
Is there any guidance in [[WP:MOS]] or other Wikipedia-namespace pages on this point? I never use {{code|pp.}} and never thought twice about it. [[User:Daask|Daask]] ([[User talk:Daask|talk]]) 04:10, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
:Conventionally, "p." is short for "page" and "pp." is short for "pages". So if you want to cite a single page whose number is hyphenated, use "p. 300-305." If you want to cite multiple pages, use "pp. 300–305" (note also the en-dash in place of the hyphen). —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 04:27, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
::{{mention|Daask}} A real-world example of {{u|David Eppstein}}'s hyphenated-"''p.''" example would be the [[Olean Times Herald]] newspaper, which like many print dailies is divided into several letter-designated sections. So, a page number from the paper would be e.g. "p. A-1" or "p. D-4", whereas a range of pages might be "pp. A-2–A-4". (Or would that be "pp. A-2–4"? Come to think of it I don't really know the convention on that myself.) -- [[User:FeRD NYC|FeRD_NYC]] ([[User talk:FeRD NYC|talk]]) 07:16, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
:::{{reply to|David Eppstein}} I guess I'm familiar with the convention, but didn't realize it was used on Wikipedia. I figured page numbers could be parsed to present ranges as ''pp.'' if they really wanted to, but you remind me that parsing isn't always easy. [[User:Daask|Daask]] ([[User talk:Daask|talk]]) 07:20, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
== What about the studio album source ==
Fun fact: the PDF file format actually allows pages to be given explicit numbers (labels) by the authors that are also respected by the PDF viewer, but few people use this capability. https://opensource.adobe.com/dc-acrobat-sdk-docs/pdflsdk/apireference/PD_Layer/PDPageLabel.html [[User:Surlyhacker|Surlyhacker]] ([[User talk:Surlyhacker|talk]]) 06:48, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
:My preference is to use labels on pages if they are present, and to use the position within the pagination of the pdf document only when pages are unlabeled. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 07:18, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
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