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== Uw-error templates ==

== New block templates to go with certain "Uw-" multi-level warnings: ==

I feel that these templates should be moved to Uw-incorrect because it makes more sense. Uw-error is ambiguous and people could think it refers to other templates (eg. the vandalism Template). Uw-incorrect currently redirects there [[User:CyberTheTiger|<span style="color: brown"> '''Cyber'''</span><span style="color: black"> '''the'''</span><span style="color: orange"> '''tiger'''</span>🐯]] ([[User talk:CyberTheTiger|'''talk''']]) 02:16, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

I am creating new user block templates for certain actions that there are multi-level warnings for. Examples include:

* {{Tl2|Uw-gamingblock}} - [[Wikipedia:Gaming the system|gaming the system]], goes with {{Tl2|Uw-gaming}} templates

* {{Tl2|Uw-colorblock}} - adding non-compliant colors, goes with {{Tl2|Uw-color}} templates

* {{Tl2|Uw-attemptblock}} - triggering the edit filter, goes with {{Tl2|Uw-attempt}} templates

[[User:Mario662629|Mario662629]] ([[User talk:Mario662629|talk]]) 18:41, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

:{{replyto|Mario662629}} You're not an administrator. Why would you need these? --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 21:16, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

::I'm not sure why, but I'm also worried about something bad happening to my account because of this. Anyways, this might be done just to have a block template for every multi-level user warning. [[User:Mario662629|Mario662629]] ([[User talk:Mario662629|talk]]) 22:39, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

:::{{replyto|Mario662629}} When an administrator blocks a user, they select an option from the following list: <syntaxhighlight lang=wikitext>[[WP:Vandalism|Vandalism]]

[[WP:Vandalism-only account|Vandalism-only account]]

[[WP:Copyright violations|Copyright infringement]]

Creating [[WP:Attack page|attack pages]]

Violations of the [[WP:Biographies of living persons|biographies of living persons]] policy

Persistent addition of [[Wikipedia:Citing sources|unsourced]] content

Creating [[WP:Patent nonsense|patent nonsense]] or other inappropriate pages

Using Wikipedia for [[WP:Spam|promotion]] or [[WP:NOTADVERTISING|advertising]] purposes

[[WP:Spam|Promotion]] / [[WP:NOTADVERTISING|advertising]]-only account

[[WP:Edit warring|Edit warring]]

Violation of the [[WP:Three-revert rule|three-revert rule]]

[[WP:Disruptive editing|Disruptive editing]]

[[WP:No personal attacks|Personal attacks]] or violations of the [[WP:Harassment|harassment]] policy

Making [[WP:No legal threats|legal threats]]

[[WP:Arbitration Committee/Procedures#Enforcement|Arbitration enforcement]]

[[WP:CTOP|Contentious topic]] restriction

[[WP:Blocking policy#Evasion of blocks|Block evasion]]

Abusing [[WP:Sockpuppetry|multiple accounts]]

Repeatedly triggering the [[WP:Edit filter|edit filter]]

[[Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry#Inappropriate uses of alternative accounts|Sockpuppetry]]

Long-term abuse

Clearly [[WP:NOTHERE|not here to build an encyclopedia]]

Revoking talk page access: inappropriate use of user talk page while blocked

{{anonblock}}

{{anonblock}} <!-- Likely a school based on behavioral evidence -->

{{school block}}

{{rangeblock}}

{{blocked proxy}}

{{uw-upeblock}} <!-- Undisclosed paid editing for advertising or promotion -->

{{uw-ublock}} <!-- Username violation, soft block -->

{{uw-uhblock}} <!-- Username violation, hard block -->

{{uw-causeblock}} <!-- Username represents a non-profit, soft block -->

{{uw-ublock-wellknown}} <!-- Username represents a well-known person, soft block -->

{{uw-ublock-double}} <!-- Username closely resembles another user, soft block -->

{{uw-uhblock-double}} <!-- Attempted impersonation of another user, hard block -->

{{uw-softerblock}} <!-- Promotional username, soft block -->

{{uw-spamublock}} <!-- Promotional username, promotional edits -->

{{Uw-spamblacklistblock}} <!-- editor only attempts to add blacklisted links, see [[Special:Log/spamblacklist]] -->

{{uw-vaublock}} <!-- Username violation, vandalism-only account -->

{{CheckUser block}}

{{checkuserblock-wide}}

{{checkuserblock-account}}

{{Tor}}

{{webhostblock}}

{{colocationwebhost}}

{{OversightBlock}}</syntaxhighlight> Your first two are not among these, and your third is covered by {{tlxs|Uw-disruptblock}}. The [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocking policy]] goes into further detail. There is no one-to-one match between user warnings and block reasons, and there is not intended to be. I don't see why you might worry about something bad happening to your account. Have you been served warnings about any of these three potential issues? --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 06:45, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

::::* {{Tl2|Uw-disruptblock}} goes with {{Tl2|Uw-disruptive1}}, {{Tl2|Uw-disruptive2}}, {{Tl2|Uw-disruptive3}}, and {{Tl2|Uw-generic4}}.

::::* I'm talking about the templates left on user talk pages, not the ones used in the block reasons.

::::* For the purpose of testing and organization, I have created this [[User:Mario662629/User_warning_test|test page]], which is being used for the purpose of organizing these templates.

::::[[User:Mario662629|Mario662629]] ([[User talk:Mario662629|talk]]) 15:52, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::I know that you're talking about templates on user talk pages. What I am saying is that each message usually pairs with a block reason. For instance, if an admin blocks with a reason of [[WP:Vandalism|Vandalism]], they will serve a {{tlxs|uw-vblock}}. [[Wikipedia:Gaming the system|Gaming the system]] is not, of itself, a reason to block.

:::::What I want to know is ''why'' you want them to be created (and I see that you have begun creating them yourself) when [[Special:UserRights/Mario662629|you are not, at present, an administrator]]. If we were short of appropriate block messages, an existing ''experienced'' administrator would surely have created them, but only when absolutely necessary. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 20:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== Template:Uw-coicitevar ==

Announcing single-level notice {{t|uw-citevar}}, to advise a user about [[WP:CITEVAR]] issues. I will notify RedWarn and Twinkle. Please make any needed improvements. [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 06:25, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

Imo this template's output text is verbose and difficult to understand. Even for me, who's familiar with Wikipedia's COI policies and is a native English speaker, it's hard to parse. I think it could be significantly reworded to be more digestible even for English as second language speakers. [[User:Grapesurgeon|grapesurgeon]] (seefooddiet) ([[User talk:Grapesurgeon|talk]]) 00:42, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Template-protected edit request on 15 August 2025 ==

:It doesn't really seem that way to me, but English is my primary language so perhaps I'm simply unable to see how it can be problematic. Are there changes you'd like to propose? [[User:Doniago|DonIago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 17:05, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

=={{edit [[template-protected|Template: Uw-blockindefnotalk]] =subtle1|answered=yes}}

Change "<nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Introduction|welcome page]]</nowiki>" to "<nowiki>[[Help:Introduction|welcome page]]</nowiki>" [[User:Jako96|Jako96]] ([[User talk:Jako96|talk]]) 17:31, 15 August 2025 (UTC)

:{{complete2}} per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]] – redirect from a page move. '''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I.&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]'''''&thinsp;,&nbsp;[[Editor|<span style="color:black">ed.</span>]]&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|''welcome!'']]&nbsp;–&nbsp;<small>02:02, 16 August 2025 (UTC)</small>

== Lead wranglers ==

{{edit request|ans=y}}Could you please do not italicize the word 'also' in the message to ensure the consistency? Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/14.245.39.26|14.245.39.26]] ([[User talk:14.245.39.26|talk]]) 04:26, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:{{not done}}:<!-- Template:ESp --> The three italicised instances of the word "also" only occur when preceded by the word "See", which is also italicised. I don't see why one should be de-italicised and not the other. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 17:09, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

I not infrequently run across editors who fall into an editing style that I am gong to call, "lead wranglers". By this I mean, those editors, usually fairly new, whose edits are made mostly to the lead of various articles, with no clear benefit, but hard to attack as clearly violating some guideline. (Probably [[WP:LEADFOLLOWSBODY]] comes closest.) These editors may be of good faith and they may be seriously trying to improve wording, grammar, or style, although rarely citations or content; their edits are pretty much always low-effort edits of uncertain value. Maybe they are improvements, maybe not, but they generally don't involve, say, significant effort to chase down a reliable source and generate a needed citation; rather, they are the low-hanging fruit of non-objectionable word diddling or just questionable changes in wording or style. At some level, maybe we have all been guilty of this on some occasion, but if I am not mistaken, there is a cohort of editors who do this to the exclusion of pretty much anything else. They just diddle the lead, leaving it no worse, maybe, but whether it is better, is doubtful, and anyone's guess.

== Missing (?) level 4 warning template ==

One, or two, or a handful of such edits would probably fly under the radar and not matter, especially as there may not be a particular policy or guideline violation to point to (and template their talk page with). But at some point, one has to question whether they are really [[WP:HERE|here]] to improve the encyclopedia, or just getting off on messing with the encyclopedia that anyone can edit, with the least effort they can get away with, by continually messing with the top of the page. I view such edits as unhelpful, and potentially [[WP:DISRUPT|disruptive]].

I've noticed that there is no level 4 warning for introducing incorrect pronouns, Uw-pronouns. I've used level 4 vandalism to substitute. I wondered if there was a reason for only level 1,2 and 3? [[User:Knitsey|<span style="color:DarkMagenta">Knitsey</span>]] ([[User talk:Knitsey|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]) 14:48, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

First of all, I am interested in your feedback: whether you have noticed anything like what I am describing, and how you have dealt with it. Secondly, I am considering creating a new [[WP:WARN|advice template]] for this situation, to be called {{t|uw-lead wrangler}}, at least until someone comes up with a better name. The point of having a template is to record the event on the user talk page when warranted. Ideally, by making the editor aware, they would change their ways and improve as an editor, and that would be the best outcome. But in the worst case, it would provide a record that might be of value later to an admin looking at the user's history. Thanks in advance for your thoughts and feedback. [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 11:28, 25 August 2025 (UTC)

== "[[:Template:Uw-or]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] ==

[[File:Information.svg|30px]]

The redirect <span class="plainlinks">[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Uw-or&redirect=no Template:Uw-or]</span> has been listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|redirects for discussion]] to determine whether its use and function meets the [[Wikipedia:Redirect|redirect guidelines]]. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at '''{{section link|1=Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 May 29#Template:Uw-or}}''' until a consensus is reached. <!-- Template:RFDNote --> [[User:CyberTheTiger|<span style="color: brown"> '''Cyber'''</span><span style="color: black"> '''the'''</span><span style="color: orange"> '''tiger'''</span>🐯]] ([[User talk:CyberTheTiger|'''talk''']]) 20:48, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

== Template-protected edit request on 1026 JuneAugust 2025 ==

{{edit template-protected|Template:Uw-npov1test3|answered=yes}}

Please change the <nowiki>[[File:Ambox warning pn.svg|25px|alt=|link=]] icon to [[File:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px|alt=|link=]] </nowiki>to match with the other uw-3 templates. [[User:Yerlo|Yerlo]] ([[User talk:Yerlo|talk]]) 22:38, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

I'm thinking we should add a parameter for edits that are '''obviously''' not neutral instead of edits that merely '''seem''' to not be neutral. Something that would change the wording slightly. E.g. "Your edit to X was not neutral in nature" vs. "your edit to X was reverted because it did not seem neutral". Thoughts? <span class="nowrap"><span style="font-weight:bold;font-family:monospace;background:linear-gradient(to right,#fd9f88,#79382c,#503e60);padding:0 4px;">[[User talk:Gommeh|»]] [[User:Gommeh|<span style="color:#fbffff;">Gommeh (he/him)</span>]]</span></span> 17:05, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:[[File:X mark.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done for now''': please establish a [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] for this alteration '''[[Wikipedia:Edit requests#Planning a request|before]]''' using the {{Tlx|Edit template-protecteddone}} template.<!-- Template:ETpI -->checked Thisfour isor notfive anlevel uncontroversial3 edittemplates, request.and Levelthey 1all notificationsuse nearlythe alwaysNuvola [[WP:AGF|assume good faith]]image. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 1902:1633, 1027 JuneAugust 2025 (UTC)

== Template:Uw-chatprotected edit request on 27 August 2025 ==

{{TPER|Tm:uw-biog3|Tm:uw-npa3|answered=y}}

The wording on this is somewhat outdated with today's Internet ("chat rooms" and "forums" are very 1990s/2000s) and with the reasons people make junk edits to talk page.

These templates should also have their icons changed from File:Ambox warning pn.svg to File:Nuvola apps important.svg to match the base template ({{tlx|uw3}}) and the other uw-3 templates. [[User:Yerlo|Yerlo]] ([[User talk:Yerlo|talk]]) 21:47, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}. Thanks for catching these. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 22:04, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

== What am I doing? ==

Suggest adding verbiage that talk pages are not a search engine and not ChatGPT. [[User:Gnomingstuff|Gnomingstuff]] ([[User talk:Gnomingstuff|talk]]) 18:12, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

I'm currently adding the {{tlx|Find substed templates notice}} template to the template documentations of various user warning and block templates, especially the block templates. This is specifically to make it easier to find users who have been blocked in the past for specific reasons.

:Usually if I'm removing comments for UW-chat reasons, and it's not blatant nonsense, it's not because people are using them as a search engine or ChatGPT, it's because people are making comments unrelated to improving the article. "Man, I love Star Wars! But what happened to Luke's lightsaber after Cloud City?" or such. [[User:Doniago|DonIago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 19:34, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

In addition, some partial block template documentations, like [[Template:Uw-pblock/doc|Uw-pblock/doc]], they literally almost copy [[Template:Block notice/inner|Block notice|inner]]'s substituted code, and then have a few small changes (e.g. the addition of the "Parameters" section). This should be compacted to use the same base wrapper template for all of the block templates' documentations, so that updates to the style of Block notice/inner can be consistent. [[User:RaptorsFan2019|RaptorsFan2019]] ([[User talk:RaptorsFan2019|talk]]) 22:07, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

== Template-protected edit request on 18 June 2025: [[Template:Uw4im]] ==

{{edit template-protected|Template:Uw4im|answered=no}}

Switch to [[Semantic markup|semantic markup]]: {{tag|b|o|link=y}} &rarr; {{tag|strong|o|link=y}}

{{string diff|'''only warning'''|<nowiki>{{strong|only warning}}</nowiki>}}

{{string diff|'''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked from editing]] without further notice'''|<nowiki>{{strong|[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked from editing]] without further notice}}</nowiki>}}

Cf. [[MOS:NOBOLD]]

The text appears the same (in bold), but this carries additional semantic meaning, e.g. a screen reader may use a different voice for 'strong' text.

— [[User:W.andrea|W.andrea]] ([[User talk:W.andrea|talk]]) 20:05, 18 June 2025 (UTC) '''edited 20:09'''

== Template-protected edit request on 18 June 2025: [[Template:Uw-delete4im]] ==

{{edit template-protected|Template:Uw-delete4im|answered=no}}

Add context:

{{string diff|<nowiki>{{{reason|remove or blank page contents or templates from Wikipedia}}}</nowiki>|<nowiki>{{{reason|remove or blank page contents or templates from Wikipedia without giving a valid reason for the removal in the [[Help:Edit summary|edit summary]]}}}</nowiki>}}

I'm suggesting this because I had an unfortunate situation earlier where I used this template and [[Special:permalink/1296237513#c-SSMnSSM-20250618191500-Tuvan_throat-singing_and_Tuvan_language_pages_edits|the user thought I was forbidding them from editing the page]] ({{tqqi|Why I can't edit those pages?}}). In retrospect, I should have used {{tl|Uw-delete4}} instead, which already includes this verbiage.

— [[User:W.andrea|W.andrea]] ([[User talk:W.andrea|talk]]) 20:20, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

== Template-protected edit request on 18 June 2025: uw-delete series ==

{{edit template-protected|Template:Uw-delete4im|answered=no}}

Add link to [[WP:Content removal]] on {{tl|Uw-delete4im}}:

{{stringdiff|remove or blank page contents or templates from Wikipedia|[[WP:Content removal|remove or blank page contents or templates]] from Wikipedia}}

Same for all the other uw-delete templates:

{{tl|uw-delete4}}

{{stringdiff|remove or blank page content or templates from Wikipedia without giving a valid reason for the removal in the [[Help:Edit summary|edit summary]]|[[WP:Content removal|remove or blank page content or templates]] from Wikipedia without giving a valid reason for the removal in the [[Help:Edit summary|edit summary]]}}

{{tl|uw-delete3}}

{{stringdiff|blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia without adequate explanation|[[WP:Content removal|blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials]] from Wikipedia without adequate explanation}}

{{tl|uw-delete2}}

{{stringdiff|Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia without giving a valid reason for the removal in the [[Help:Edit summary|edit summary]].|Please do not [[WP:Content removal|remove content or templates]] from pages on Wikipedia without giving a valid reason for the removal in the [[Help:Edit summary|edit summary]].}}

{{tl|uw-delete1}} already has this link.

— [[User:W.andrea|W.andrea]] ([[User talk:W.andrea|talk]]) 21:22, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:[[File:X mark.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done for now''': please establish a [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] for this alteration '''[[Wikipedia:Edit requests#Planning a request|before]]''' using the {{Tlx|Edit template-protected}} template.<!-- Template:ETp --> [[User:Doniago|DonIago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 00:26, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

::Oh, I thought this would be totally uncontroversial since it's just adding a link and {{tl|uw-delete1}} already includes it. No? — [[User:W.andrea|W.andrea]] ([[User talk:W.andrea|talk]]) 00:41, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

== Edit request 20 June 2025 ==

{{Edit semi-protected|answered=yes}}

I just saw that [[User:CyberTheTiger]] had accidentaly removed the uw-blank warning templates after they added the deleted multi-level edit warring templates, summary saying that it accidentally pasted it. Can someone bring back the uw-blank warnings to the [[Wikipedia:Template index/User talk namespace/Multi-level templates]] page for consistency? Thanks.

Sorry, i cannot post the differences due to some problems in text rendering. [[Special:Contributions/92.53.21.142|92.53.21.142]] ([[User talk:92.53.21.142|talk]]) 16:20, 20 June 2025 (UTC)