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== Green Day= PUNK ==

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Green Day is not punk, nor punk rock. They are pop-punk, and I believe they have been quoted as saying that. To be punk, you need to be making a political statement, which is absent from all of their albums save American Idiot. But in the case of that, they sound more like a genuine rock band.

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:*Does it mean The Ramones were not punk either? As far as I know, they were not political at all. But have always been regarded as one of the greatest names of punk. -200.195.88.155

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They are upbeat and have little to no talk on politics or current events. Real punk is like NOFX and Strike Anywhere. Green Day is not. I tried to put that they were pop-punk but it kept being reverted. [[User:Andre Wong|Andre Wong]] 02:43, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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Green Day's music is similar to earlier punk bands:'

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* [[Bad Religion]]

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* [[NOFX]]

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* [[The Offspring]]

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* [[Operation Ivy]]

* [[Seven Seconds]]

* [[The Subhumans]] (UK)

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Because it's POV (many would claim Green Day is utterly unlike NOFX or Op Ivy). See [[Talk:Fiona Apple]] for some other reasons. [[User:TUF-KAT|Tuf-Kat]]

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:I've re-added the list under a different title: <i>'Other earlier punk bands include:'</i>. I agree it is POV saying that Green Day's music is ''similar'' to those in the list, but I think a list of related bands is always useful, especially for genre-driven, subcultured music styles like punk rock. --[[User:Zaim|Zaim]]

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Ah, sorry, I've just removed it again (same list as above but with the addition of [[Rancid]]). "Other earlier punk bands" is too vague. We have lists of other earlier punk bands elsewhere - see [[Punk rock]]. It would, however, be good to say what the band themselves have cited as influences, or what reputable critics have said about their music, and what it is similar to. It's okay to mention critic's opinions, but we're not allowed to say whetehr we agree with them... -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 18:10 1 Jun 2003 (UTC)

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:Ah, that was quick. Just to note that that was my first Wikipedia edit. And I see what you mean, thank you for pointing that out. Wiki and Wikipedia is very nice. --[[User:Zaim|Zaim]]

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:: Oh, well in that case, welcome to the project! And yes, it is nice, I have to agree with you there. :) -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 19:23 1 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Hello there. “They were followed by Revolution Radio(2016), which became their third to debut at No. 1 on the Billboard 200, Father of All Motherfuckers (2020) and Saviors (2024).” is not a complete sentence. [[Special:Contributions/142.169.16.244|142.169.16.244]] ([[User talk:142.169.16.244|talk]]) 21:20, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Green Day is so not like NOFX, and I think that they are more POP-punk than punk. Generally, traditional punk is darker and less upbeat. Like Pennywise. BTW, Zaim, I love Wikipedia too, as it has helped me infinitely on school projects. Thanks to all! [[User:Andre Wong|Andre Wong]] 01:38, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

== Main image ==

Come on, Green Day is <i>so</i> pop-punk. Their subject matter and their playing style is wayyy too upbeat.[[User:Andre Wong|Andre Wong]] 00:14, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I think the main image should be changed to include the drummer, Tre Cool. [[User:Klutch2008|Klutch2008]] ([[User talk:Klutch2008|talk]]) 16:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

This article comes across as being written by a fan. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but it doesn't exactly create a NPOV. I removed the incomplete sentence 'Hopefully they do.' as that doesn't exactly come across as Enyclopedic. I could say the same thing about many band pages on Wikipedia. [[User:Discolando|Discolando]] 15:34, 23 Nov 2004 (CDT)

:{{Done}}, thanks to [[User:Ggoofy14|Ggoofy14]]. [[User:The Sharpest Lives|The Sharpest Lives]] 19:05, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Upon further reflection, I removed the entire sentence, "Dirnt has been quoted on MTV as saying they may or may not find the master tapes soon." This is more of a temporary news blurb and doesn't add any value to the article. [[User:Discolando|Discolando]] 18:16, 23 Nov 2004 (CDT)

== Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2024 ==

==Green Day In Disguise==

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*<s>For the IP that edited the paragraph regarding GD's 2003 master tapes being related to "The Network": Sorry, but that sounds rather unlikely that a band could release an album using someone else's master tapes. The whole thing seemed kind of POV, so I excised it from the article. If you'd like to prove your case, feel free; I'm always open to being proven wrong. I think I might have proved myself wrong, and as such I'm going to *cough* attempt to hide the evidence. >_>[[User:Mo0|[[User:Mo0|Mo0]]<nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User Talk:Mo0|talk]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 22:38, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)</s>

In the intro sentence:

"Aongside fellow California punk bands Bad Religion, the Offspring, Rancid, NOFX, Pennywise and Social Distortion, Green Day is credited with popularizing mainstream interest in punk rock in the U.S."

"The" in "The Offspring" should be capitalized. [[User:Bladerunner116|Bladerunner116]] ([[User talk:Bladerunner116|talk]]) 08:33, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

*Okay, let's try this again. I'm going to leave the article up the way it is, without reverting it. What I'll ask for is simply a confirmation of whether The Network is, in fact, Green Day. Once that happens, I will rewrite the things related to The Network, as what is there feels a bit POV-ed. Apologies for the massive stupidity on my part. [[User:Mo0|[[User:Mo0|Mo0]]<nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User Talk:Mo0|talk]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 22:45, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:Charliehdb|Charliehdb]] ([[User talk:Charliehdb|talk]]) 10:00, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

:: {{Ping|Charliehdb}} According to [[MOS:THEBAND]], "Mid-sentence, per the MoS main page, the word the should in general not be capitalized in continuous prose." [[User:Bowling is life|Bowling is life]] ([[User talk:Bowling is life|talk]]) 13:08, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

:::@[[User:Bowling is life|Bowling is life]]: Thanks for the information. [[User:Charliehdb|Charliehdb]] ([[User talk:Charliehdb|talk]]) 09:44, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Band origin as Rodeo, California instead of "East Bay" ==

== "green day in hell" ==

Quote from the 30th anniversary ''Dookie'' boxset: "Childhood friends Billie Joe Armstrong and Mike Dirnt (née Pritchard) started what would become Green Day in 1987 in Rodeo, a small refinery town in Northern California's Contra Costa County." I think this quote could reasonably be used as evidence to list the band as being from the specific city of [[Rodeo, California]] instead of the vague "East Bay".

[[User:67.67.132.59]] wrote in the article "It has also been reported in print by the band members themselves that a principal at their school once made the comment that it would be a "green day" in hell before they amounted to anything." I cannot find any original citation of this although it is often repeated so I have made it anecdotal until we have verified the source. --[[User:TheoClarke|Theo ]] [[User_talk:TheoClarke|(Talk)]] 14:55, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[[User:Hostagecat|Hostagecat]] ([[User talk:Hostagecat|talk]]) 01:16, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

== Recent vandalism ==

New here, so let me know if I should go about this in a different way. It seems the first paragraph has been vandalized. I'm not sure how else to show when this was changed, so I'll copy-paste what I see in the history browser:

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The text for the initial "Rock Music" link was changed to "Jazz" (though the link itself is intact); "Rodeo, California" has been changed to "New Orleans, Louisiana"; "1987" to "1957"; "California punk bands" to "Louisiana; "punk rock" to "jazz music."

After this, the same user fixed typos. [[User:H. Caspia|H. Caspia]] ([[User talk:H. Caspia|talk]]) 08:49, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks for commenting - the vandalism has now been removed. [[User:Entranced98|Entranced98]] ([[User talk:Entranced98|talk]]) 08:52, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

== Raj Punjabi and band origins ? ==

In the first paragraph under ‘History’ none of the cited sources mention Raj Punjabi or the name "Blood Rage" at all. Also neither the source cited for their first performance (the Pure Volume article) or the following citation (Omnibus press) mention Punjabi either, and both seem to indicate that Kiffmeyer had already joined as drummer in 1987 for their first performance.

The citation for Punjabi in the ‘Members’ section, Green Day: a Musical Biography, ''does'' mention him, but as far as I can tell it’s only once, describing him as "occasionally stopping by to play drums". The same book also describes the guys practicing in Armstrong’s mother’s living room, not in "Punjabi's father's house garage" as the article says. So I’m not sure where all of the stuff related to Punjabi has come from, but nothing I could find seems to indicate that he is generally considered to be a founding member. If that info does exist in another source somewhere else in this article, then it should also be included in a footnote for these statements as well. If not, idk if his name needs to be omitted from the article entirely, but clearly some corrections need to take place. Same goes for the name "Blood Rage", that is currently completely unsourced.

[https://www.google.com/books/edition/Green_Day/Ok7EEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0 Also here is a link to a googlebooks version of Green Day: a Musical Biography that can be previewed, unlike the one in the reference.] Again, this was the only cited source I could find that ACTUALLY mentions Raj. Let me know what you think. [[User:Gravelove|Gravelove]] ([[User talk:Gravelove|talk]]) 22:47, 22 June 2025 (UTC)