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I previously had this permission but took an extended vacation from Wikipedia. Would like to resume my work! '''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00ced1">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange;">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 21:26, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
Howdy. I'm an active participant over at [[WP:DYK]], and recently ran in [[WP:AELECT]] but did not pass the threshold. [[Wikipedia:Administrator elections/July 2025/Candidates/Darth Stabro|Discussion]] centered around lack of experience on [[WP:AIV]], an area I expressed interest in getting involved in. A decent part of my running for adminship was wanting to help with processing [[WP:DYK]] queues, which are template-protected. In my election discussion there were no concerns raised about my professionalism, content creation or reviewing competency, which are the primary things needed with processing DYK queues. I do not meet some of the standard template editor guidelines (e.g. sandbox/significant template edits, etc), but I also do not plan on using the role outside of DYK queue processing. Thanks for your consideration. ~<span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]</span><sup>[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]</sup> 16:46, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
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:{{done}}. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 21:28, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
:Are there any [[Wikipedia:Did_you_know#Actively_involved|active DYK]]ers that you are working with often that could leave support here? — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 19:14, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
::I've seen Darth around at DYK but don't have the impression they're really one of the regulars. Looking over their contribution history I only see 33 hook promotions going back about 4 months (at least based on searching for PSHAW log messages). And looking through the [[WT:DYK]] archives, I'm seeing some consistent level of activity over the past 8 months, but not a huge volume compared to a few of the people that I would consider our major contributors to the behind-the-scenes DYK work, reinforcing my initial impression. Also, most of what I'm seeing (in an admittedly unscientific spot check) is routine participation in discussions; I haven't found any examples of complicated situations where they've had to carefully navigate contentious issues. In short, I'm not seeing any problems per-se, but I'm also not seeing the depth of experience and quality time in the trenches that an advanced permission like TE requires. We can certainly use more qualified hands at DYK, but I'd rather see Darth get more experience promoting hooks, managing the prep areas, and making tough decisions when nominators push hard for their own desired outcomes, before moving up to working on the queues. [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 09:33, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
:As someone who has worked with Darth Stabro in the past on DYK and is familiar with his work, I would support him getting the permission. He is a DYK regular and is familiar with the ins-and-outs of the project. Plus, we're short on hands, and more people being able to work with Queues is a plus in our eyes. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|<B><span style="color:#0038A8">Naruto</span><span style="color:#FCD116">love</span><span style="color:#CE1126">hinata</span>5</B>]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 08:51, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
:We do need more people to contribute to queueing, but Darth Stabro has [[WP:DYKPC|so far promoted only 32 hooks]], equal to three and a half Main Page sets. I'd prefer to see significantly more experience in prep sets, perhaps a hundred hooks promoted or more, to demonstrate [[WP:TPEGRANT|"a need for the right"]]. In RfA terms, NOTYET. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|~~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:39, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] Putting the question another way, do you see a reason why DeathStarbo should ''not'' get the rights? [[WP:TPEGRANT]] only requires working the sandbox of three template-protected pages and successfully proposing five significant edits to template-protected templates. I'm not at all involved with DYK, but 32 promotions sounds like more than equivalent to that. – [[User:SD0001|<span style="font-weight: bold; color: #C30">SD0001</span>]] ([[User talk:SD0001|talk]]) 10:31, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
::Well yes, as I said above, I'd prefer that they should get more experience. You can do 32 promotions in ten minutes if you don't take care, but in queueing sets the highest priority is taking care. (You also, incidentally, need to be familiar with the entirety of [[WP:DYKCRIT]], [[WP:DYKRI]] and [[WP:DYKAI]], and I'm not sure you can do that by promoting three-and-a-half sets.) [[User:AirshipJungleman29|~~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:48, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
: {{not done}} No consensus to grant [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 14:48, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
::[[WT:DYK]] should really come up with a formal criteria/guidelines for granting the right and aim for a amendment to [[WP:TPE]]. The [[WP:TPE]] criteria and this process were never meant to deal with these kinds of requests (primarily because the folks who watch this venue are technical admins and have limited interactions with [[WP:DYK]]). See also [[User:Hilst|Hilst]]'s request at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=1255747130#User:Hilst] which imo was also misjudged. [[User:Sohom Datta|<b class="skin-invert" style="color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)">Sohom</b>]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|<span class="skin-invert" style="color: #36c;">talk</span>]]) 14:56, 7 August 2025 (UTC)
::: Or they really should split "DYK queue editor" out of "template editor" as a completely separate right. The current situation is an affront to logic. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 14:59, 7 August 2025 (UTC)
::::We do not need all these separate user rights, we just need to give out adminship to everyone who would volunteer more effectively with it. I would happily vote for abolishing the template editor permission. —[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] ([[User talk:Kusma|talk]]) 15:13, 7 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] That is very much a systemic issue, I think the [[WP:TPE]] user-right has a place when it comes to technical work -- it is a simple check of "do you understand that editing templates is very different from normal editing with different social expectations". However, [[WT:DYK]] appears to see it more as "adminship but not really" and that thinking is (I agree with you) kinda redundant and flawed to begin with and should be remedied by giving out adminship more freely. [[User:Sohom Datta|<b class="skin-invert" style="color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)">Sohom</b>]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|<span class="skin-invert" style="color: #36c;">talk</span>]]) 05:52, 8 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::I agree that how DYK uses TPE is a bit weird, but it was a reaction to an untenable situation. We had a chronic problem with not enough people working on queues. The few admins working on that were burned out and the work wasn't getting done. And unlike most other processes on the wiki, DYK runs on a clock. When the big hand hits midnight and all the queues are empty, that's bad.
::::::Despite numerous entreaties to the various regulars who were working on other DYK tasks, I was unable to convince any of them to run for admin. I agree with @[[User:Pppery|Pppery]] that a distinct user right (or a more fine-grained user rights system in general) would make more sense, but we don't have that. So, given a toolbox stocked with a variety of tools that don't fit our needs, we've gone with the least bad way to get done what we needed to get done. Since we've done that, DYK has been running a lot better (i.e. not in a state of perpetual crisis). If the cost of fixing DYK was that WP:PERM occasionally has to handle requests that it's not really set up for, I'm happy with that. If somebody wants to do the legwork to get a new DYK-specific permission created, I'd be happy with that too. [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 12:26, 8 August 2025 (UTC)
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