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== Map of the Kingdom of Jerusalem ==
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{{I take| --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 17:17, 19 August 2025 (UTC)}}
:@[[User:Surtsicna|Surtsicna]] Would it be possible for you to provide me with links for the two maps which isn't imgur but a more lasting link. I always want to declare the sources even for information.
:I will be back with a draft and we can work from there, thanks for your knowledge. --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 11:09, 20 August 2025 (UTC)
::If you mean citations, @[[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]], here they are:
::* {{cite book|first=Malcolm|last=Barber|author-link=Malcolm Barber|year=2012|title=The Crusader States|publisher=Yale University Press|isbn=978-0300189315|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=Bz_O7-Lb_CsC&dq=crusader+states+malcolm+barber&pg=PP5}}
::* {{cite book |last=Runciman |first=Steven |author-link=Steven Runciman |year=1952 |title=A History of the Crusades, Volume 2: The Kingdom of Jerusalem and the Frankish East, 1100–1187 |publisher=Cambridge University Press|oclc=1035592581|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=QL88AAAAIAAJ&q=%22A+History+of+the+Crusades%22+runciman+volume+2}}
::I can give you the page numbers tonight. [[User:Surtsicna|Surtsicna]] ([[User talk:Surtsicna|talk]]) 11:22, 20 August 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Surtsicna|Surtsicna]]
:::Thanks, is there a specific color which is associated with that Kingdom? --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 09:47, 22 August 2025 (UTC)
::::Not in this time period, but we could go with gold, which is attested in the 13th century. [[User:Surtsicna|Surtsicna]] ([[User talk:Surtsicna|talk]]) 13:34, 22 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Surtsicna|Surtsicna]]
:::::*Everything is up for change in those drafts.
:::::*You asked for "important towns, castles, and bishoprics", you have to tell me missed towns, castles, and bishoprics you have to tell me where (coordinates if possible) and I will add symbols and names.
:::::*Ones everything is set we can do versions, with or without borders and other.
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:::::Those drafts are PNG versions of the original SVG file I'm working in and will upload to commons.<br>
:::::Those drafts are shown <u><big>for proofreading only.</big></u>
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:::::*[https://drive.proton.me/urls/WP64CDW774#KUY3CefVSu11 Draft Kingdom area 1]
:::::*[https://drive.proton.me/urls/48W20WNB7G#o3AS2ZJanREy Draft Kingdom area line 1]
::::: --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 17:18, 22 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::Oh, you certainly made it look ''different'', @[[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]]! I think the rivers and the relief help a lot. I have a few notes:
::::::*The kingdom is not usually considered to have encompassed the land north of Beirut. In [https://imgur.com/3axWHgr Runciman's map] you will notice a dashed land north of Beirut denoting a border between the kingdom and the [[County of Tripoli]].
::::::*I like the first draft (without the line) better and I would even propose smudging the border a bit more in the southern area where it was really porous.
::::::*The missing (and important) towns are [[Shaizar]] (close to Homs), [[al-Arish]] (to the south), the [[Monastery of St Sabas]] (near Bethlehem), [[Lydda]] (near Ramla), [[Sebastia, Nablus|Sebaste]] (near Nablus), [[Arsuf]] (north of Jaffa), [[Mount Tabor]] (near Tiberias), [[Baisan]] (south of Tiberias), [[Toron]] and [[Banias]] (east of Tyre), [[Bosra]] (far south of Damascus), [[Montreal (castle)|Montreal]] (south of Kerak).
::::::*It might be useful to mark the monasteries, bishoprics, archbishoprics, and patriarchate as they are in Barber's map–just so that a major city like Acre or Tyre is not on the same footing as a single monastery.
::::::*Daron should be Darum.
::::::*The relative positions of Darum, Gaza, and Ascalon do not match those in Barber or those in Runciman (and they differ between Barber and Runciman). I do not know what to make of it. [[User:Surtsicna|Surtsicna]] ([[User talk:Surtsicna|talk]]) 22:16, 22 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Surtsicna|Surtsicna]]
:::::::*[https://drive.proton.me/urls/31KTNRE1TG#3MOHcVYY2IDX Draft kingdom area 2]
:::::::*Border north, on that map the border north-south is dashed all the way. There is a small line west-east just above Beirut, I can't see any dashed land.
:::::::*Is the black line below Beirut correct?
:::::::*If this is correct we can cut away quite a bit up north, red line?
:::::::*South, softer? If so tell me south-west south-east...
:::::::*Shaizar, on todays map it's south of the river but the old is north of river, which?
:::::::*If there are any major cities you want to be marked out, list them.
:::::::*I have adjust the cities which differ between the maps to something in between. It is extremely difficult to compare a position between different maps and specially old ones compared to today's.
:::::::*Montreal is also much more south on Barber's map, move it?
::::::: --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 17:40, 23 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]],
::::::::*The border between the Kingdom of Jerusalem and the County of Tripoli as visible in [https://imgur.com/3axWHgr Runciman's map] is the solid black line starting at the coast between Jebeil and Beirut (it might be solid because it is too short to be dashed).
::::::::*The border in the draft map appears south of Beirut, but it should be just to the north, as Beirut belonged to the kingdom. I would also suggest restricting the golden color denoting the kingdom to the area up to Beirut, i.e. not north of it, as that's where the County of Tripoli was.
::::::::*I would not cut away at the north. It's important to show the neighbors for context.
::::::::*I think it is now soft enough in the south-west and could be a tad bit softer in the south-east.
::::::::*Old Shaizar (the fortress) was north of the Orontes. Let's put it there.
::::::::*Montreal's coordinates are 30°31′52.84″N 35°33′40.47″E.
::::::::*Might it be possibly to depict the internal division of the kingdom based on [https://imgur.com/a/YKT8sDy this map] found in Jonathan Riley-Smith's ''The Feudal Nobility and the Kingdom of Jerusalem'' (1974)? It is fairly close to what we have in [[:File:1889 The Kingdom of Jerusalem, shewing the Fiefs, about 1187 A.D..jpg]]. I would not know how to depict this internal division. Any kind of lines, even dashed like in Riley-Smith's map, would probably not match well with the smudged kingdom borders we have now.
::::::::[[User:Surtsicna|Surtsicna]] ([[User talk:Surtsicna|talk]]) 10:03, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Surtsicna|Surtsicna]]
:::::::::*Shaizar, I have put it where [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaizar your link] shows it, if this is not correct you have to give me another ___location.
:::::::::*Before I see what I can do with the internal lines we have to decide which to use. In this draft the red lines are what I could see in the map we have at commons. The green lines are what I could see looking at the map by Jonathan Riley-Smith's.
:::::::::*Using the grid you should be able to tell me which to use, thanks.
:::::::::*[https://drive.proton.me/urls/0MH9TWE7FM#PrDkHxQUHNoz Draft internal]
::::::::: --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 14:50, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I do not see the version with Shaizar anymore, but I think you had it right (on the Orontes, to the north). Let's go with Riley-Smith; it's newer scholarship. Thanks, @[[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]]! [[User:Surtsicna|Surtsicna]] ([[User talk:Surtsicna|talk]]) 15:52, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Surtsicna|Surtsicna]]
:::::::::::*Some of the borders up north is outside of the kingdom, remove or what?
:::::::::::*This is one example of borders, there are many ways to do them
:::::::::::*[https://drive.proton.me/urls/9BP5Z7M114#eK5SUc8KYFph Draft kingdom 3]
::::::::::: --''always ping me''-- [[User:Goran tek-en|Goran tek-en]] ([[User talk:Goran tek-en|talk]]) 16:50, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::Please move the border just a little bit north so that Beirut is not sitting right on the border. The border should be closer to [[Jebeil]] ([https://imgur.com/3axWHgr Runciman's map]). I now see that the southern part of the kingdom looks a bit off without any internal borders, which may or may not be correct... I think it would be best to have a map without the internal borders and then another map with the internal borders but not showing the [[Negev]]. [[User:Surtsicna|Surtsicna]] ([[User talk:Surtsicna|talk]]) 20:55, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
== world map with stripes ==
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: The Tour de France Femmes is now [[Wikipedia:ITN/R]], so I hope that a map can neatly illustrate the article. Thanks in advance! [[User:Turini2|Turini2]] ([[User talk:Turini2|talk]]) 10:30, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
:{{done}} {{re|Turini2}} Maybe too late. Tell me what I got wrong! [[User:Lars A|Lars A]] ([[User talk:Lars A|talk]]) 04:07, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
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File:2025 Tour de France Femmes Route.svg|Tour de France Femmes 2025
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:I'll take a look at it tomorrow. [[User:Groetjes, Peter|Groetjes, Peter]] ([[User talk:Groetjes, Peter|talk]]) 11:06, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
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::::{{re|M.Bitton}} Base like other ___location maps. [[User:Wowzers122|Wowzers122]] ([[User talk:Wowzers122|talk]]) 15:10, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
:{{I take|[[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 13:23, 3 August 2025 (UTC)}}
== Small amendment to SVG map of France in 1328 ==
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File:Guyenne 1328-en.svg|Map of France in 1328
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: [[English claims to the French throne]], [[Hundred Years' War]] + 10 other wp.en articles
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: The map shows English territory in pink in France in 1328. However, it omits [[Ponthieu]] which is a small enclave in north east France on the coast of the English Channel. Source: see map here - {{cite book | last=Villalon | first=A. | last2=Kagay | first2=D. | title=The Hundred Years War (Part II): Different Vistas | publisher=Brill | year=2008 | isbn=978-90-474-4283-7 | url=https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=4O55DwAAQBAJ&pg=PR30|p=xxx}}
:I believe [https://www.brown.edu/Departments/Italian_Studies/dweb/images/maps/decworld/france-growth.jpg this] is the page of ''[https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Muir_s_Historical_Atlas/Wxx7zwEACAAJ?hl=en Muir's Historical Atlas]'' which was the original source.
:Could the Ponthieu enclave be coloured pink per the source please? [[User:DeCausa|DeCausa]] ([[User talk:DeCausa|talk]]) 10:11, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
::{{I take|[[User:Lars A|Lars A]] ([[User talk:Lars A|talk]]) 12:39, 29 August 2025 (UTC)}}
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== Yangtze River Economic Belt ==
I am writing [[Draft:Yangtze River Economic Belt]] and I would like a map showing where it is. I believe it should include [[Yunnan]], [[Guizhou]], [[Sichuan]], [[Chongqing]], [[Hubei]], [[Jiangxi]], [[Jiangsu]], [[Zhejiang]], and [[Shanghai]]. Could any of you please make that map? Thanks, [[User:Quxyz|<span style="color:#926F17">✶Quxyz✶</span>]] ([[User talk:Quxyz|talk]]) 17:24, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
:I left out [[Anhui]]; please add that, too. [[User:Quxyz|<span style="color:#926F17">✶Quxyz✶</span>]] ([[User talk:Quxyz|talk]]) 17:31, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
== Blank <nowiki>{{Infobox mapframe}}</nowiki> ==
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: [[Epping, Essex]], [[City of London]] and likely others
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: Not sure where to post this query (please move to a more appropriate page if neeeded): The bottom map in the top-right infobox of [[Epping, Essex]] and [[City of London]] is solid blue, likely because the coordinates have been set to 0° latitude and longitude. The wikicode has<pre>|module = {{Infobox mapframe|stroke-width=1|zoom=12|width=240}}</pre> and <pre>| module = {{infobox mapframe|zoom=13}}</pre>respectively. I'm unsure how to fix it. Can someone please help? Thanks, '''[[User:cmglee|cmɢʟee]]''' [[User_Talk:cmglee|τaʟκ]] <span style="font-size:80%;">(please add <code>{{ping|cmglee}}</code> to your reply)</span> 11:51, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
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