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See [[Category_talk:Weather_warnings_and_advisories|discussion at Category:Weather warnings and advisories]]. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Wyatts|Wyatts]] ([[User talk:Wyatts|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Wyatts|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!-- [Template:Unsigned] -->
 
== Link Inclusion Discussion and Request ==
Added a link to an external website (of which I am affiliated) and the link was removed by another user. Request that this be approved for reinclusion in this article. Link points to a highly relevant site whose theme is Tornado Warning systems and phone service. This site provides viewers with additional information not found in the article and not easily reproduced within the article. I checked Wikipedia guidelines and these do allow links to commercial web pages if they meet certain criteria including relevance. The link appeared as the following and is the only occurrence of this link in Wikipedia:
 
* [http://www.911broadcast.com/aptornado.htm Tornado Warning System] Emergency phone broadcast system
 
During the short period of time that this link appeared in this article (several weeks), hundreds of Wikipedia users followed this link to this web page, particularly during the time period when the tornados hit the US Midwest.::[[User:Pgillman|Pgillman]] <small>[[User_talk:Pgillman|(talk)]]</small> [[User:Pgillman|pgaz]] 17:54, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
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=== From Mrtea's talk ===
 
[I'm removing the posted copy of relevant discussion from my talk page. Indeed Pgillman and I have already discussed the issue, but I was hoping some uninvolved opinion could help clarify the issue better for him than I have tried to. If you would like, click the link to my talk page for the discussion. [[User:Mrtea|Mrtea]] <small>[[User_talk:Mrtea|(talk)]]</small> 16:05, 8 April 2006 (UTC)]
 
:OK, I was thinking that anyone viewing this talk page would want to know that background information (I nearly missed it and it cleared some things up for me), but I suppose this is just as effective. &ndash;[[User:Tifego|<small>Tifego</small>]]<sup>[[User Talk:Tifego|(t)]]</sup><sub> 16:15, 8 April 2006 (UTC)</sub>
::No=== problem, I wasn't offended or anything. If it was helpful for you then certainly our little dialogue here will catch people's attention :) [[UserFurther:MrteaPgillman|MrteaPgillman]] <small>[[User_talk:MrteaPgillman|(talk)]]</small> 16[[User:Pgillman|pgaz]]13:1951, 89 AprilMay 2006 (UTC)
=== Further Mrtea Talk ===
Since Mrtea talk was included in this discussion, it is ALSO important to include further developments that was discussed in his talk. The article referenced in this discussion [[RUOK]] was marked for deletion by Mrtea. His recommendation was overturned, however, by a Wikipedia adminstrator and is still live. I bring this up only to demonstrate that Wikipedia users can have disagreements about content and linking - thus I've followed the standard for getting further review from other users HERE. &ndash;[[User:Pgillman|Pgillman]] <small>[[User_talk:Pgillman|(talk)]]</small> [[User:Pgillman|pgaz]]13:51, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 
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===RFC===
I noticed this on the RFC page, and I'll suggest that this link should not be added to the article. Under "Links to normally avoid", #4 on [[WP:EL]]: "Sites that primarily exist to sell products or services". This website fits that description, and thus does not deserve inclusion here. Commercial websites should only be added if they are useful as sources of more information. --[[User:Spangineer|Spangineer]]<sup>[[:es:Usuario:Spangineer|[es]]]</sup>&nbsp;<small><font color="brown">[[User talk:Spangineer|<span style="font-size:smaller; color:brown;">(háblame)]]</font></smallspan>]] 16:14, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 
==Suggested merging of "tornado emergency" into tornado warning==
 
Completely disagree with this idea. It is a completely separate warning, with a different history, and usage as a tornado warning. [[User:AStudent|AStudent]] 23:52, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 
:The first paragraph of [[tornado emergency]] states: "There is no official product called a 'tornado emergency' and this wording, when used, does not replace the official Tornado Warning." So how is this different from a tornado warning? From reading it, it just sounds like a fancy term for "extreme tornado warning -- GET OUT OF THE HOUSE RIGHT NOW!!!!" or something. <span style="font-family:Verdana; ">'''[[User:Howcheng|<span style="color:#33C;">howcheng</span>]]''' <small>{[[User talk:Howcheng|chat]]}</small></span> 21:29, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 
::I also Completly DISAGREE, This is not a warning, but a term used during Diaster's. This is different, Because this is like and is, a Cival Emergency. Its not a Extreme, Its a statment used by the discresion of the metrologist. Most people wouldnt take cover during a Tornado warning here in Texas, I mean, They are usaual, But you get a TORNADO EMERGENCY, A LARGE AND DESTRUCTIVE TORNADO IS 5 MILES SOUTHWEST OF DOWNTOWN DALLAS, THIS IS A LIFE OR DEATH SITUATION, TAKE COVER NOW. It worked in OKC (3 Times), It worked in Greensburg. STORM-CHASER.<small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:68.94.50.19|68.94.50.19]] ([[User talk:68.94.50.19|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/68.94.50.19|contribs]]){{#if:23:55, 14 May 2007 (UTC)|&#32;23:55, 14 May 2007 (UTC)|}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
 
:::So essentially this is a colloquialism, still meaning, "imminent tornado warning". I am not convinced this needs a separate article. A section in Tornado warning seems like it would suffice. <span style="font-family:Verdana; ">'''[[User:Howcheng|<span style="color:#33C;">howcheng</span>]]''' <small>{[[User talk:Howcheng|chat]]}</small></span> 02:21, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 
::::Not a colloquialism. It's a separate warning issued only after a tornado warning is issued. "Imminent tornado warning" doesn't even make sense. All tornado warnings imply tornadoes, but tornado warning doesn't imply tornado emergency. [[User:68.85.145.215|68.85.145.215]] 04:16, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 
:::::I also DISAGREE, as the original intention of issuing "Tornado emergency" alerts was to differentiate conditions from the broader, much more common alerts. Even if it is just a slight nomenclature difference to compensate for complacency of public, it is intended to elicit a very different reaction from those in the affected area. Also their seems little value added by merging, and if you do wish to merge these what is your reasoning to not include tornado watches. [[User:WikipedianYknOK|WikipedianYknOK]] 04:17, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 
Tornado emergency was introduced by the local NWS office in Norman, OK on 3 May 1999, to heighten awareness in an area saturated with severe weather coverage and to differentiate an impending disaster of a large tornado striking a heavily populated area. It was done on the spot and informally, and is *not* an official product, so it is not a different product.
 
From a NWS perspective, it *is* essentially a high end tornado warning, a special kind of warning with a special call-to-action statement, intended to be reserved for only when the warning meteorologist feels that a destructive tornado is about to impact a large population. They are issued in initial [http://www.weather.gov/glossary/index.php?word=Tornado+Warning tornado warnings], as well as subsequent [http://www.weather.gov/glossary/index.php?word=Severe+Weather+Statement severe weather statements]. They're somewhat analogous to [http://www.weather.gov/glossary/index.php?word=PDS+Watch Particularly Dangerous Situation (PDS)] [http://www.weather.gov/glossary/index.php?word=Tornado+Watch tornado watches], though those are official products with standardized guidelines. Again, however, there are no standardized guidelines for "tornado emergencies", it's completely up to the forecaster's discretion. Tornado emergencies have been issued where there have been no towns hit, when it wasn't certain a town would be hit, for smaller towns, and a few times even when there are only strong radar signatures and nothing confirmed (the latter occurred in the Southeast where tornadoes are very difficult to see and often few sighting reports - i.e. tornado itself, not damage - are received, especially at night), although there is some movement to more control issuance of tornado emergencies.
 
Tornado emergencies, in some areas, do elicit special action by emergency responders. They may initiate response to a disaster and mass casualty incident before it occurs, however, this to, varies by area and respective organization. It is also their prerogative, there are not set responses like there are in the example of tornado warnings (such as EAS activation, enactment of codified responses, and public facilities sending occupants to shelter). [[User:Evolauxia|Evolauxia]] 04:24, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 
Merge "Tornado Emergency" into "Tornado Warning." This artice is redundant. There is no such thing as "Hurricane Emergency" or "Severe Thunderstorm Emergency" so why should there even be a separate article entitled "Tornado Emergency"? Just because some forecasters wisely used this term during a tornado event, this term has not officially replaced "Tornado Warning" as a form of tornado alert.
 
If anyone can find out what warning header the [http://www.nws.noaa.gov National Weather Service] issues the warning under, then this problem is easily resolved. If the header is the same, it is a tornado warning. If the header is not the same, then it can be considered a seperate National Weather Service product.
[[User:Ks0stm|Ks0stm]] 10:13, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 
:'''I've got it!!!''' A Tornado Emergency is not a tornado warning, but neither is it in actuallity a tornado emergency! It is, in truth, a severe weather statement. An example is below: [[User:Ks0stm|Ks0stm]] 11:05, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 
::Their being no "Hurricane Emergency" or "Severe Thunderstorm Emergency" is not relevant to this discussion. [[User:WikipedianYknOK|WikipedianYknOK]] 04:17, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 
WWUS54 KOUN 100304
SVSOKC
OKC017-109-100330-
SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NORMAN OK
1004 PM CDT FRI MAY 9 2003
...TORNADO EMERGENCY FOR THE WESTERN OKALHOMA CITY METRO AREA...
AT 1000 PM CDT...DOPPLER RADAR SHOW STRONG INDICATIONS THAT A LARGE
AND DESTRUCTIVE TORNADO IS IN PROGRESS AT SARA ROAD AND INTERSTATE
40. SPOTTERS REPORT A TORNADO AT THIS LOCATION. THIS TORNADO WAS
MOVING EAST-NORTHEAST AT 30 MPH.
THIS IS AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS AND LIFE THREATENING SITUATION.
PERSONS IN WESTERN OKALHOMA CITY... BETHANY... WARR ACRES AND
MUSTANG SHOULD SEEK SHELTER IN A BASEMENT... SAFE ROOM... OR IN AN
INTERIOR ROOM ON THE LOWEST FLOOR NOW TO PROTECT YOUR LIFE!
LAT...LON 3551 9782 3533 9776 3545 9718 3566 9725
$$
MILLER
 
* I don't see how this is any different than having an article on [[National Weather Service bulletin for New Orleans region]]. As shown above, tornado emergencies aren't tornado warnings, they're independent statements issued only in extreme circumstances. The fact that they are always accompanied by tornado warnings doesn't mean a seperate article isn't warranted. Indeed, the [[National Weather Service bulletin for New Orleans region]] could be merged into a Hurricane Warning article, but the severity of the situation, the notability of the event, and the unusual, vivid wording of the statement justify having the article on it--just as having the tornado emergency article does.
 
This article needs to be updated. Please insert a notice. --[[User:75.162.228.238|75.162.228.238]] 03:08, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 
== How-to violation ==
 
The "What to do when a tornado warning is issued" section seems to be in violation of [[WP:HOWTO]]. This is probably going to be controversial, so I'm starting this discussion. [[User:Cutecutecuteface2000|Cutecutecuteface2000]] ([[User talk:Cutecutecuteface2000|Cutecuteface needs attention]]) 20:10, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 
:First, I sincerely apologize if I'm doing this wrong. I'm new to Wikipedia and struggling to figure out the tech side of how things work around here. I'm chiming in on this older comment with a related query. I do understand the need to avoid a violation of [[WP:HOWTO]] and absolutely agree with the policy. That would be a dangerous road. However, it seems like some very basic information is missing from this page, if not this specific section. I know that the NWS has statements explaining what it means when a tornado siren goes off. We have nothing here explaining that or at least directing people to the right agency for that information. Is it possible, without causing a violation of [[WP:HOWTO]], to at least define what the siren blasts mean? For example, perhaps it could be stated that the NWS instructs local officials to activate their sirens for a Tornado Warning, that the sirens continue for a certain amount of time (how long?), and that they resume to signal an "All Clear" when the danger is past. Additionally, communities generally test their sirens at a set time each month for a certain amount of time (e.g., the first Wednesday of each month at noon for 60 seconds). That seems like fairly basic information explaining the usage of the sirens and is not actually giving instructions to people about how they should respond. My inquiry is prompted by having overheard someone, newly arrived in the Midwestern U.S. from New England, complaining that "fog horns" had sounded twice, waking them during a bad thunderstorm. They had no idea what the sirens meant, and the person talking to them was struggling to convey the precise policy for when the sirens are activated, particularly the "all clear" signal. --[[Special:Contributions/99.103.93.163|99.103.93.163]] ([[User talk:99.103.93.163|talk]]) 18:31, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 
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== Reasoning behind 1890s tornado forecast ban ==
 
Ref my latest [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tornado_warning&diff=1019542240&oldid=1018597850 change]: while the notion that the ban on using the word "tornado" was instituted because businessmen felt it would endanger potential investments is rather sweet, I wanted to verify whether this was indeed the reasoning. The ban on tornado forecasts is frequently discussed in academic sources, but I could not find any suggesting that it had to do with business investment.
 
But it's such a delightfully juicy factoid that I'd love to see a source verifying this and to see the idea reinstated. --[[User:Caundle|Caundle]] ([[User talk:Caundle|talk]]) 22:55, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 
== “Tornado alert” References ==
 
I have noticed that this section has no references and I couldn't find any info about this online after doing a few quick searches. Does anyone have any sources relating to this? Thanks! [[User:StrmChaser|StrmChaser]] ([[User talk:StrmChaser|talk]]) 14:49, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
 
:I found the source (https://doi.org/10.1175/2010BAMS3062.1). I do not know how to cite on Wikipedia so i didn't cite that section. [[User:StrmChaser|StrmChaser]] ([[User talk:StrmChaser|talk]]) 20:45, 9 July 2025 (UTC)