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If there is general [[consensus]] for deletion, an administrator will carry it out, and the link will be removed from this page (it will show up in the [[Wikipedia:deletion log|deletion log]]). If no consensus can be reached, someone will remove the link from this page, and the page will not be deleted.

== Decisions in progress ==

Page titles should stay listed for a minimum of '''7 days''' before a decision is made. Note that obvious junk can be removed by admins at any time - see [[wikipedia:deletion policy|deletion policy]] for details.

Note that listings more than five days old should now be moved to [[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Old]].

Please consider adding a [[Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#Listed_for_deletion_notice|deletion notice]] like the following on top of pages that are scheduled for deletion:

=== May 23 ===

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====[[Kimberley Katherine Smith]]====

You may also choose to inform the author of the page about the ongoing discussion on their [[Wikipedia:talk page|user talk page]]. The notice does not need to be added to pages which a) have no content (such as redirects), and b) also have no significant history.

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'''Please review [[Wikipedia:deletion policy|deletion policy]] before adding to this page, and before performing deletions as an administrator. To challenge a decision made over a deletion, see [[Wikipedia:Votes for undeletion]].'''

====[[Hanyô]], [[Hanyou]], [[Hanyo]], [[Hanyoo]]====

See also:

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* [[Wikipedia:Utilities]]

* [[Wikipedia:Blankpages]], [[Wikipedia:Shortpages]]

* [[Wikipedia:Bad jokes and other deleted nonsense]]

* [[Wikipedia:Things to be moved to Wiktionary]]

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==August 13==

====[[Circumfetishism]]====

* [[Luke Pebody]]

'''-->>>>>> [[MediaWiki:VfD-Circumfetishism|Deletion debate]]'''

** Mathematics professor. Discussion moved to [[talk:Luke Pebody]]. Debate over his significance. No consensus yet.

==August 14==[[Glad]]====

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*[[Thepalace.com]]

** discussion moved to [[Talk:Thepalace.com]]. No consensus yet.

====[[Kyb IE GetEmAll]]====

*[[George Fruits]]. Does this person deserve an article? It was created by someone named [[User:Fruits]], which makes me think it's his/her ancestor. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 03:01, 14 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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**If George Fruits truly lived until 114 in the 19th Century, that's remarkable enough to justify an article (IMO). However, it does raise the probability of the article being nonsense. -- [[User:Hike395|hike395]] 03:13, 14 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**Fruits did not make the list at [[centenarian]]. Considering 114 would qualify him for supercentenarian status and they are so rare, it is unlikely that he is an actual supercentenarian. I would, however, vote not to bin the article until further research supports this. --[[User:Ed Cormany|Ed Cormany]] 03:41, 14 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**Unless it's faked, there's a photo of George's headstone at [http://www.geocities.com/sdf1778/fruigeor.html http://www.geocities.com/sdf1778/fruigeor.html] which substantiates the claim as to his age. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 03:52, 14 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**I'm going to withdraw my objections. Some Googling shows him in several places, and he apparently showed up in the Guiness Book of Records. The last survivor of the American Revolution rates an article. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 04:04, 14 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**For your information, the person most often named as the last veteran of the [[American Revolutionary War]] is [[Daniel F. Bakeman]]. I can't find any article mentioning both Fruits and Bakeman, which I find suspicious. In any case I oppose mentioning either of them at the [[centenarian]] article, as it should be reserved for people who gained fame for a reason other than because they became a centenarian. [[User:213.73.161.245|213.73.161.245]] 04:21, 14 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**This is easy to check. Death dates of possible candidate last veteran of American Revolutionary War:

***Daniel F. Bakeman --- April 5, 1867

***John Gray --- March 29, 1868

***George Fruits --- August 6, 1876

**So, it looks like Mr. Fruits has the others beat. Your opposition to Mr. Fruits in the [[centenarian]] list is not consistent with others on the list (e.g., [[Margaret Booth]]). Let's take this discussion to [[Talk:centenarian]]. -- [[User:Hike395|hike395]] 05:01, 14 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**Most places seem to indicate Daniel F. Bakemen was the last Revolutionary War veteran. This site [http://17762.tripod.com/fruigeor.html], "There was always some controversy that I heard (hearsay) that the George Fruits in Bunker Hill Cemetery is the son of George Fruit." I don't know exactly what to make of this make of this. Oldest ____ always seems to be a hard thing to prove. [[User:M123|M123]] 08:29, 14 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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* All pages mentioned on [[Wikipedia:Things to be moved to Wiktionary]]. Pages from this page habitually get moved there and then forgotten. [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 07:14, 14 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** Many of them haven't been moved yet. I don't think this needs a separate vote here. [[User:Angela|Angela]]

====[[AberSeeSaw]]====

* [[User talk:Nostrum/ban]] -- This is completely unnessary, this user is clearly not a vandal. [[User:Mbecker|&#12510;&#12452;&#12459;&#12523; (MB)]] 19:36, Aug 14, 2003 (UTC)

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**Had Nostrum been an anonymous IP addresses persistently adding that illiterate POV rant to Catholicism he would have been banned without hesitation. Anonymous IP addresses get banned everyday for similar conduct. Not only did his conduct on the Catholicism page warrant a ban, his recent defacement of the Holocaust article after his reappearance warranted a ban in itself, even without considering his past obnoxious behavior. I favor a ban and most of the literate users who endured the torment of reading his fourth grade-level, bigoted anti-Catholic garbage probably agree with a ban, or at least agree that his conduct needs to be monitored. I favor a ban and I will not have my stance on Nostrum censored. [[User:172|172]] 00:34, 15 Aug 2003 (UTC

**Keep. Wheather a user is a vandal should be discussed on the ban page, not here. [[User:Efghij|Efghij]] 02:21, 15 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**To 172: "censored"? That's just a bit rich after you removed a comment by Nostrum on a page discussing his own banning. Please reform your ways. -- Cimon Avaro on a pogostick

***Shame on you for slandering me! I didn't intentionally delete anything that vandal said; it might have just been an edit conflict. I have no reason to hide his inane drivel. Quit budding in every time you find a dispute and coming to ill-informed conclusions. [[User:172|172]] 03:22, 15 Aug 2003 (UTC)

****'''I cordially request you do not allege that I have slandered you'''. If one peruses the page history, there is not the slightest possibility that the removal of the text by Nostrum was due to an "edit conflict". If you say that you ''did remove'' the text by some form of unintentional action, I would find no grounds to dispute that, but I would still feel bound to admonish you to '''not do it again!!!''' -- [[User:Cimon avaro|Cimon Avaro on a pogo-stick]] 05:14, Aug 15, 2003 (UTC)

**<s>It is patiently absurd to have this page is listed here. This user has done nothing but vandalise every page he has touched, writing in such nonsense as that [[Pat Robertson]]'s penis is small, Mormons are Catholics, etc. People have been banned for less and all the evidence is that this is another kooky vandal. There is a lot of support for his banning on the page. For MB to try to get the page deleted is a gross abuse of ''this'' page, which should be about dealing with vandalism, not protecting vandals. [[User:Jtdirl|FearÉIREANN]] 03:28, 15 Aug 2003 (UTC)</s>

** After assurances from MB who knows Nostrum off wiki that this is a serious but so far misguided user, I am withdrawing my opposition to the deletion of this page. [[User:Jtdirl|FearÉIREANN]] 03:02, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** Keep. --[[User:Wik|Wik]] 05:05, Aug 15, 2003 (UTC)

** Keep. If we decide to ban Nostrum, we should have a record of why. If we decide not to ban Nostrum, we should likewise have a record. Please do not repeat the arguments made on that page here, however. [[User:MyRedDice|Martin]]

** Keep. Records are a Good Thing. -- [[User:Jakenelson|Jake]] 02:10, 2003 Aug 20 (UTC)

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==August 15==

====[[Ben Wilson]]====

* [[Love-Hate relationship]] - the article makes very little sense and has no real info to offer

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** This is poorly written and more of an essay than an encyclopedia article. I am not saying it is impossible, but I am hard-pressed to see how any article on this subject could be an encyclopedia article rather than a dictionary definition. Perhaps famous or infamous love-hate relationships (such as in [[Krazy Kat]]?) throughout history could be mentioned. I am leaning towards voting for deletion. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 14:22, 15 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**It's a real phenomenon. Like Larry's essays, well, it needs work to save. There should be *something* by this title. But maybe not this. [[User:EntmootsOfTrolls|EofT]]

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*[[Shit sandwich]] and [[HUA quotient]] - I don't think these articles add much to the sum of human knowlege. [[User:Mintguy|Mintguy]] 16:29, 15 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**Without considerable expansion or revision, which I am at a loss to see how it would happen, the former should be gone. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 17:26, 15 Aug 2003 (UTC)

***I don't know, I've heard this typically southern expression all my life. It might be better off as a wikidictionary entry rather than an encyclopedia article.[[User:Ark30inf|Ark30inf]] 17:34, 15 Aug 2003 (UTC)

****No, it's clear that Wikipedia, not Wiktionary, must function as the [[idiom dictionary]]. There are thousands of such expressions and almost all need much more explanation than a conventional dictionary should offer: culture, history, etc. For instance the fact that it's a US South and military expression should be mentioned in the article. [[User:EntmootsOfTrolls|EofT]]

**I'm against deletion. We aren't here to "add to the sum of human knowledge", but perhaps, we can save some poor bastard who only barely speaks English or has only recently moved to the US South, from a few hours of anxiety between the time his colleagues tell him that the boss will "feed him a shit sandwich" in an upcoming meeting, and that meeting. If we move this, let's move it to [http://simple.wikipedia.com Simple English Wikipedia], where maybe simple idioms can be explained more justifiably than here. [[User:EntmootsOfTrolls|EofT]]

**Leave 'em. -- [[User:Infrogmation|Infrogmation]] 19:41, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**The [[shit sandwich]] article has been expanded into something resembling a real article, keep it. --[[User:Dante Alighieri|Dante Alighieri]] 19:42, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

***Upon further reflection, I think that [[shit sandwich]], [[cluster fuck]], [[SNAFU]] and the like should be combined into a new article ([[U.S. military slang terms]] perhaps) which can deal with the phenomenon on a larger scale. Some sociologist out there must be interested in this sort of terminology. --[[User:Dante Alighieri|Dante Alighieri]] 20:18, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**I'd say move to Wiktionary. Etymology, regional usage, and so on of both words and phrases are all the proper ___domain of a dictionray, not an encyclopedia. More general sociological articles like [[U.S. military slang terms]] would be okay of course, but ones like this really don't belong in an encyclopedia. --[[User:Delirium|Delirium]] 00:43, Aug 22, 2003 (UTC)

====[[Metarmorphosis]]====

* [[16 words]] nonsensical detail aspect of the [[Iraq disarmament crisis]] article. --[[User:Stevertigo|<strong>&#25140;&#30505sv</Strong>]] 22:27, Aug 15, 2003 (UTC)

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** OK, I admit, the detail was too small to create an extra article. Probably in America this was not so much in the news as it was in Europe. But the reason for a war to be called "nonsensical", I have a different opinion on that. Just delete it, if this is the general opinion, I will not oppose. History will tell... [[User:Fantasy|Fantasy]] 22:43, 15 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** Delete [[User:Ark30inf|Ark30inf]] 08:30, 16 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**Keep. It is a historic concept. A famous [[casus belli]] already becoming a catchphrase. [[Where's the beef?]] anyone? -- Cimon Avaro on a pogostick

**The detail is too small for its own article. I recommend adding any relevant information to a related article and then deleting "16 words" or changing it to a redirect. [[User:M123|M123]] 09:52, 16 Aug 2003 (UTC)

***Make it a redirect. [[User:Wshun|wshun]] 23:34, 16 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**One las comment: The Google Search ("16 words" Bush) gives as result about 17.000 pages. Is this relevant to Wikipedia or not? A redirect will (I guess) not show up on Google, so it seems, we are not covering this aspect. Even CNN hat the headline: "CNN.com - Bush's 16 words still hotly debated - Jul. 20, 2003". I let you decide. [[User:Fantasy|Fantasy]] 08:07, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

***Regardless of how things turn out, the phrase is going to increase in prominence and significance, and the debates centered on it will continue. I would say keep. -- Cimon Avaro on a pogostick

****I think that "increase in prominence and significance" is unrealistic since the phrase was popular for about a week in the news media about a month ago and has since seemed to disapear. It will probably never be as popular as "where's the beef?". Also calling it a 'casus belli' is being overly dramatic since the phrase was almost unnoticed until months after it was uttered. [[User:M123|M123]] 16:18, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** It's become a fairly noted term... there should be '''something''' there, but it can be either an article or a redirect, as far as I'm concerned. -- [[User:Jakenelson|Jake]] 02:10, 2003 Aug 20 (UTC)

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== August 16 ==

====[[Weston Lullingfields]]====

* [[:Image:Bahamas.jpg]] I replaced it with [[:Image:Bf-map.gif]] (which already existed) because it looks better. So [[:Image:Bahamas.jpg]] can be deleted, it isn't used anywhere anymore [[User:Pascal|Pascal]] 13:19, 16 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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* [[Daniel Ziegler]]

** Deleted this afternoon without listing on VfD. I don't know if he's one of the people mentioned on the page, but there's an illustrator with that name. -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 16:13, 16 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** Erm, sorry, I forgot to mention that I replaced what ''was'' there with some stubby things on four people with the name Daniel Ziegler. Someone comment, please! -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 01:29, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

* ====[[MarcCollege RichRoad]]====

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** Deleted this afternoon without listing on VfD. Apparently quite a well-known person. He's got several articles on news sites. I'm sure someone can rescue this. -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 16:13, 16 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** Marc Rich definitely should have an article; of course, the one currently in existence will have to be completely redone, but in particular the controversy over his pardon was quite significant. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 17:16, 16 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**Dont delete. --[[User:Jiang|Jiang]]

** Should be an article on him. -- [[User:Jakenelson|Jake]] 02:10, 2003 Aug 20 (UTC)

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* [[Experience]]

** Deleted this afternoon without listing on VfD. Not sure if this could be turned into a useful article, but maybe... -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 16:13, 16 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** [[User:BL]] has added a bit, but it's duplicated at [[Experience points]]. I support deletion. -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 01:29, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Nutty Norman]]====

* [[Reverse piggy-back position]]

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** Deleted this afternoon without listing on VfD. Apparently it's "illiterate", but I expect that correcting the grammar and punctuation and so on wouldn't take too long. -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 16:13, 16 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**In my opinion this is more of an example of something that needs revision and wikification than a candidate for deletion. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 17:16, 16 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** Keep. [[User:MyRedDice|Martin]] 19:53, 16 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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* [[Mimeogram]] of the 29 Google hits: 2 were about art and both were written by [[Daniel C. Boyer]] -- wikipedia and [http://www.askart.com/directories/glossary.asp?bl=M] , the other 27 seemed to refer to any article printed with a mimeograph machine. This confusing probably Boyer-coined word is confusing and unnecessary. [[User:M123|M123]] 17:54, 16 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** You might want to look at <i>something</i> before saying, for no particularly good reason, that it is "probably Boyer-coined." You give me too much credit; it was coined by [[Penelope Rosemont]]. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 13:09, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**I think it was a reasonable assumption considering you wrote the only material about it I could find and you have created your own words in the past (ie "echo drawing"); and I did qualify it with 'probably'. I can't find any reference on the web to '"Penelope Rosemont" mimeogram' or '"Penelope Rosemont" mimeograph' other than the two pages that you wrote. [[User:M123|M123]] 14:18, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[David Barker]]====

* [[User talk:172 sysop status]] -- No longer needed. Please see [[User talk:172 sysop status#My final statement]] for my justification. Removing this page should help 172 get past this. If anyone wants to read the page in the future, they can read my personal achive of it in my personal space. [[User:Mbecker|&#12510;&#12452;&#12459;&#12523;]] 19:29, Aug 16, 2003 (UTC)

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** Keep for transparency. Consider refactoring. Consider moving related material here. [[User:MyRedDice|Martin]] 19:53, 16 Aug 2003 (UTC)

***Delete it, but preserve the contents. It would be best to add it to the administrators' page, where it all was placed originally, and then save a new version of the article so that it cannot be viewed on the current main page. Let it stay in the page history of the administrators' page, where it belonged in the first place. If anyone wanted to refer to it, it would be in the page history. If MB, the major antagonist in effort to have my sysop status revoked, deems it unnecessary, this should be a sign that the matter has been put to rest. [[User:172|172]] 00:13, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** Keep for transparency (somewhere, but visible). [[User:Fantasy|Fantasy]] 08:37, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**Every word is now saved in votes for administrator page history, along with all other debates on the administratorship of every other sysop. I copied the current version of the 172 page and added it to the votes for admin page, and then reverted that edit. Thus, the contents of the 172 page remain in the page history, but are not posted on the current version of the page. There's no reason that this remain the single debate over an adminship with its own individual page. If it's deleted, not a word would be lost. [[User:172|172]] 08:45, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**I agree with deletion of this. [[User:Angela|Angela]] 17:15, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**keep. ...for me posting something without comment is "hiding". If some one wants to hide things like that, I am for keeping it. I did not have the time to read it all yet, maybe I (or someone else) wants/needs it later [[User:Fantasy|Fantasy]] 18:48, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** Keep. -- [[User:Jakenelson|Jake]] 02:10, 2003 Aug 20 (UTC)

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*[[Rick Sutcliffe]] and [[Metalibrary]] both created eons ago by [[Rsutc]], who I suspect is Rick Sutcliffe. [[User:M123|M123]] 19:55, 16 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[CheShA]]====

*[[La Salette]]: similarity to apparently copyrighted text. -- [[User:Someone else|Someone else]] 21:54, 16 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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** I am Ray Vogensen, the author of the La Salette page and the "apparently copyrighted" text is my own from my own site at http://www.portcult.com/FAT.05.INFLUENCES.htm. I have several articles in your encyclopedia, all from my own sites: Chaves, Vila Real, Fátima, the Douro River, the Tâmega River and Verín. My own site on Portugal is http://www.portcult.com/. If you have any questions contact me at [e-mail]. My material is not copyright. I do it for fun.

*** Why not just [http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Userlogin make an account], it's easier for us to confirm whatever with you. --[[User:Menchi|Menchi]] 09:45, Aug 17, 2003 (UTC)

**** I do have an account, but I still don't think people should eliminate articles written by the same person who wrote the Internet site without investigating first.[[User:portcult]]

*****It's not "eliminated", it's under investigation: If you confirm that you wrote it (as you did above) and that you release it into the public ___domain and/or GDFL on the talk page, you confirm that we won't have copyright problems with it, and the text is restored. This should be done any time you're adding text here we might find on your site. BTW, your material IS copyright, until such time as you release it, whether you want to have such a copyright or not. -- [[User:Someone else|Someone else]] 17:09, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

******Oops, spoke too soon. Your webpage states that the text was taken from the New Advent Encyclopedia and links to a version with a copyright of 2003. So the copyright issues still have to be worked out. -- [[User:Someone else|Someone else]] 17:19, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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* [['AIDS Kills Fags Dead' slogan]]

** Offering for deletion in an attempt at compromise. Past argument and opinion poll at [[Talk:Slogan 'AIDS Kills Fags Dead'/redirect]] - please discuss there. [[User:MyRedDice|Martin]] 22:37, 16 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Alt.tv.simpsons]]====

* [[Chump]] basically a dictionary definition with an apparently incorrect etymology. [[User:M123|M123]] 22:40, 16 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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**Corrected the data, should probably still end up on wiktionary. -- Cimon Avaro on a pogostiçk

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* [[Executive Order 9981]] original source text. [[User:M123|M123]] 22:50, 16 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** Add text - KEEEP! [[User:BL|BL]] 20:01, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Dumbarton Harp F.C.]]====

* [[Vektorrechnung]] - German - can a German-speaker move it over to de:wiki before deleting?

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*Already exists on the [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vektorrechnung German wiki] so can be safely deleted. [[User:Angela|Angela]]

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*[[Lyydia Irene Brummer]] and [[List of people by name: Bt]]

**Non-famous person. Vanity page. --[[User:Maveric149|mav]] 23:24, 16 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Sean Flowers]]====

*[[Love Showdown]] I think this is right on the edge. What do others think? Should this stay or should it go? -- Cimon Avaro on a pogostick

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** Squish it. [[User:Cyan|Cyan]] 05:42, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** KEEEP IT! Love Showdown is really important for [[Archie]] lovers. [[User:BL|BL]] 21:14, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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==August 17==

====[[The Black and White Space Marine on the Black and White Bike]]====

*[[Wear-Management]]. A link to an outside webpage and a long discussion of its usefulness to Wikipedia. Not at all encyclopedic. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 00:39, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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::This artcle is just a link to a commercial web site. And the site dosnt tell us much other that it cost $80 to join. [[User:Mydogategodshat|mydogategodshat]] 00:47, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Ambiversion]]====

* [[Should I take my business online?]] and [[How to take a business online]] are both empty and should be deleted. [[User:Mydogategodshat|mydogategodshat]] 00:56, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[Merry England]]. Ideological rant. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 01:46, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

:While much of this stuff may be redundant to [[Deep England]], a page that may have POV issues itself, I don't think it's irreformable. In fact, it might be preferable to have the ''Deep England'' material at ''Merry England'', especially since, at least outside of the UK, few have heard the phrase "Deep England," but most everybody knows what kind of nostalgia is meant by "Merry England." -- [[User:Ihcoyc|IHCOYC]] 16:50, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Nalgene]]====

:Ideological rant??? It sounds to me like a myth not unlike [[Arcadia]], and it may be related to the "despise of court, praise of village" which is one of the important themes in 16-17th century literature. It would not be surprising if English romantic authors in the 19th century had used this myth... It seems consistent with the little I know about literature. Do '''not''' delete. -- [[User:Miguel|Miguel]]

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**But it should be "Merrie" England. [[User:Deb|Deb]] 22:47, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[Richie Ceez]]. Does this person rate an article? [[User:RickK|RickK]] 02:02, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**I'm not sure if this is a fictional character or a real person. The radio station used to be fictional but now is real. If the person is fictional, they could be moved to a page about [[Phoenix Nights]] if one exists. If not, move them to the page about [[Chorley FM]]. [[User:Angela|Angela]] 02:11, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Elena Filatova]]====

*[[Vladimir Vasilevich Markovnikov]] copy vio. [[User:M123|M123]] 02:02, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[K. Kay Shearin]] blanked for some reason I don't know. [[User:M123|M123]] 02:26, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** [[Talk:K. Kay Shearin]] has an explanation. Though I would kinda like to see it restored to its full glory (which isn't in the page history), the consensus so far favours deletion on grounds of a quiet life, which seems reasonable. [[User:MyRedDice|Martin]] 15:27, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Call of Duty: United Offensive]]====

*[[Lorenzo di Piero di' Medici]] - redirect apparently created by a typo [[User:Jnc|Noel]] 02:38, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[List of fraternal and service organizations]] blanked page. The former content has been split into two articles. -- Cimon Avaro on a pogostick

====[[Political terrorism]]====

*[[Interim]] dictionary def with examples of usage[[User:Jimfbleak|jimfbleak]] 06:47, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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**'''See [[Talk:Interim]] for a lengthy discussion.'''

**Please have mercy! Yes, it is a "dictionary def with examples of usage", but w*h*a*t__i*s__t*h*e__p*r*o*b*l*e*m ??? I'm really worried. [[User:KF|KF]] 23:54, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

***See [[WP:WINAD]]. It should be moved to Wiktionary. [[User:Angela|Angela]]

***I've had this discussion before (see [[Talk:Point of no return]]), and I'm a bit tired of it. With the help of [[WP:WINAD]] (and maybe [[stub]]) you can argue both for and against inclusion in Wikipedia. [[Interim]] is a perfectly legitimate page. --[[User:KF|KF]] 12:08, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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* [[.au]]

** Disambiguation page, for the TLD and the file extension. I don't think we need articles on either TLDs or file extensions (although file formats are fine of course). -- [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] 11:26, Aug 17, 2003 (UTC)

** Seems a reasonable disambig page to me. [[User:MyRedDice|Martin]] 15:50, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Alphabetical List of Hoboken streets]]====

* [[Mathematical beauty]], good idea, but no actual content [[User:Jimfbleak|jimfbleak]]

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**Delete. Seems fairly pointless. [[User:Angela|Angela]] 19:41, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**Let me quote the [[Mathematics]] article:

::''Finally, many mathematicians study the areas they do for purely aesthetic reasons, viewing mathematics as an art form rather than as a practical or applied science.''

:: -- [[User:Miguel|Miguel]] Sun Aug 17 21:40 UTC 2003

::;Read my reason - there is no real content, if you want to keep the page, add some content (other than a link), and I'll happily remove it from here. [[User:Jimfbleak|jimfbleak]] 06:41, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

:::This principle is often called by mathematicians "[[elegance]]". The phrase given, I have never heard used by one. [[User:EntmootsOfTrolls|EofT]]

:::I have just added some content. I hope it will be enough to remove the page from this list [[User:Jmartinezot|Jmartinezot]] 10:02, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[national chess champions]] only content is an external link, I've deleted it once, but it's come back, and I don't want to be accused of being trigger-happy again. [[User:Jimfbleak|jimfbleak]] 17:43, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**I started (yesterday) to write it and it is not very easy to find the information. I have just added some links I am thinking to work about them. I am currently working on the Spanish and US Championship. [[User:Jmartinezot|Jmartinezot]] 14:46, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**I've moved it to [[list of national chess championships]], which seems a slightly more accurate title, and added a one sentence intro. I don't see any reason to delete it. --[[User:Camembert|Camembert]] 18:08, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

===May 24===

*[[Thunderbird I]] - copyvio. -- [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] 20:59, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Social surplus]]====

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==August 18==

====[[Expression engine]]====

*I went through the [[Wikipedia:Blankpages|list of blank pages]] as of August 15 and cleared them out. I fixed as many as possible with redirects or stubs, but suggest the following for deletion. --[[User:Delirium|Delirium]] 01:14, Aug 18, 2003 (UTC)

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**[[2000s music groups]] - content was blanked 4 months ago but never listed here for some reason. Pre-blanking content is mostly factually inaccurate, as most of the bands on the list had the peak of their popularity much earlier than the 2000s.

**[[2199]] - used to have some possibly inaccurate information that the Matrix occured in this year, now blank.

**[[Amsicora]] - was a very long essay in Italian before being blanked 5 months ago.

**[[Application generator]] - was a possible copyvio from a Perl book before being blanked by its creator.

**[[Aram-Damascus]] - blanked a while ago, original article was POV and nearly incomprehensible. If this should exist at all, should be rewritten and probably appear under a different title.

**[[:Image:5th annual.PNG]] - orphaned and quite possibly copyvio image.

**[[Bandai]] and [[:Image:Bandai.PNG]] - article blanked by creator; associated image now orphaned.

***Added two sentences so KEEEP IT! [[User:BL|BL]] 01:53, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**[[C. Thomas Howell]] - blanked; no real history.

**[[Central Park jogger]] - Has gone through a series of sub-stub articles, each of which has been blanked. Perhaps it should get an article at some point, but not a blank one or a redirect to a non-existent article.

**[[Cerro de las Campanas]] - content before blanking was nearly incomprehensible, and doesn't appear closely related to what google returns on the subject.

**[[Cghene]] - blanked by [[User:Zoe]] for copyvio 3 months ago, but apparently never listed here.

**[[Clogging]] - was something from [[biodiesel]] highlighting the word "clogging" in its dictionary-definition sense.

**[[Colorado State University]] - blanked by [[User:Frecklefoot]] 6 days ago for copyvio, who didn't put up a notice or list it here.

*** boilerplate text added (a little late ;-))

**[[Degeneration X]] - blanked by creator; text was possibly copyvio.

**[[Ethnic culture and intelligence]] - was blanked by [[User:Slrubenstein]] as unencyclopedic and nonsensical, but he neglected to list it here. (see talk for more)

**[[Extradition of the former President Alberto Fujimori]] - blanked by [[User:Jtdirl]] as primary source material, but not listed here apparently.

**[[Gaia theory predecessors]] - part of the whole Gaia theory brouhaha. Needs to either redirect somewhere or be deleted.

**[[:Image:Gameboy light 0.PNG]] - orphaned image, originally from [[Game Boy Light]]. Doesn't seem necessary to include in [[Game Boy]], and possibly a copyvio (though fair use may be arguable).

**[[Giovanni Maria Angioy]] - before blanking, was a possibly-copyvio biography in Italian.

**[[Griddle]] - content before blanking was a dictionary definition.

***Redirect to [[cookware]] and add info on griddles to the article? --[[User:Dante Alighieri|Dante Alighieri]] 08:45, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**[[Hartfield, New Brunswick]] - pre-blanking content was actually about [[Hartland, New Brunswick]] -- does anyone know if this is another name for the same town?

**[[Hindu literature]] - content has been manually moved to [[Hindi literature]], and a redirect isn't appropriate because Hindu literature would presumably not be synonymous with literature in the Hindi language.

**[[Human translation]] - orphaned; pre-blanking content was something vague about how [[machine translation]] isn't perfect yet, so humans are still needed.

**[[Islamic Museum]] - originally had content now at [[Museum of Islamic Ceramics]], but ''Islamic Museum'' doesn't appear to be an alternate name used for that museum so I don't think a redirect is appropriate.

**[[Jmccann]] - a 2-year-old user page in the main namespace, blanked by [[User:Cimon avaro]] 2 months ago.

**[[Joseph Kasavubu]] - pre-blanking content was something in French; blanked by [[User:Salsa Shark]] 5 months ago

***He was a president - KEEEP IT! [[User:BL|BL]] 02:05, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**[[Kaiser Wilhelm IV]] - created and subsequently blanked within a minute by [[User:172]]. Pre-blanking content consisted of redirects first to someone who's apparently not the same person, and then to a non-existent article.

**[[Keshavianistic political pluralism]] - blanked by [[User:JohnOwens]] 3 months ago as "more Keshavianistic nonsense".

**[[List of Sinitic era names by nationality]] - was blanked as making no sense; comments on the talk page indicate [[User:Roadrunner]] and [[User:TakuyaMurata]] intended to vote it for deletion.

**[[List of visual artists]] - Started by [[User:Daniel C. Boyer]] with himself as the sole artist in the list. Other edits have added one artist and subsequently been blanked; it's never been a real list.

**[[Madame Guyon]] - pre-blanking article has copyright issues (freely distributable, but not clear if freely modifiable). See talk page for attempts to contact the author to ask for permission (perhaps we should hold for a reply, if a valid email address is found, before deleting).

**[[Ontologial capital]] - apart from the misspelling, blanked by [[User:Enchanter]] with comment: ''"ontological capital" is not a generally recognised concept.''

**[[Palo Verde]] - history contained only [[:Image:Palo verde111.jpg]] with no text, which is a possible copyvio (and has an ugly huge copyright notice on it in any case). Blanked by creator (who also uploaded the image).

**[[Plant physiology]] - was a term-paper dump before being blanked some months ago by [[User:Nate Silva]].

**[[Remington Rand 490]] - content moved to [[Remington Rand 409]]; there is apparently no such thing as a 490.

**[[Ruse Region]] - used to redirect to the capital of the region, [[Ruse]], but there apparently has never been an article about the region itself.

**[[The fight at Finnburg]] - primary source material blanked by [[User:Kosebamse]] some months ago.

**[[Tohe]] - blanked as nonsense by [[User:JohnOwens]] some months ago.

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*[[Tod Eine Beschmutzung Erdulen Wolltest...]] 3 Google hits. [[User:M123|M123]] 03:26, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[The egg and the chicken problem]]====

*[[Online questionaires]]

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**Off topic and un-encyclopedic. --[[User:Maveric149|mav]] 04:51, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[Crop practices]]. Meaningless redirect. Better a non existant article [[User:Anthere|Anthère]]

====[[Vince_Buffalo]]====

*[[:Image:2003 © Nokia N-Gage (www.n-gage.com).PNG]] and [[:Image:2003© BAFTA (www.bafta.org).PNG]]

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**Copyright violation. [[User:Tonius]] thought the respective companies wouldn't mind because it's free advertising. That's fine in principle but we still need to ask for permission. -- [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] 07:37, Aug 18, 2003 (UTC)

** They just won the Worst Naming Ever Award. Please delete, then re-upload '''with better file names''' ''if'' the companies agree. --[[User:Menchi|Menchi]] 07:40, Aug 18, 2003 (UTC)

***''The use of this site and the content therein, is permitted to private, non-commercial use. The use of press releases and other documents classified as public is permitted in public communications if the source for the information has been stated.'' [http://www.n-gage.com/n-gage/legal.html www.n-gage.com/n-gage/legal.html] (Paragraph 3)

***''Screenshots of free software applications, and small illustrative screenshots. It should generally be no problem if a screenshot is copied from the official product page.'' [[meta:avoid copyright paranoia]] (Example 3)

*** Pretty awful; but [[Smaller ones]] still has the Worst Name award, in my book. [[User:Mkmcconn|Mkmcconn]] 18:51, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**** Well the N-Gage image isn't a screenshot, it's a photograph. But the second clause of your quote certainly blows my theory out of the water. -- [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] 00:56, Aug 19, 2003 (UTC)

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*[[Franco Goddi]] doesn't make sense. As the talk page states, "What is the connection between Goddi and Acosta?" [[User:Angela|Angela]]

====[[...The Press!]]====

*[[David and Frederick Barclay]]. Blanked. No useful content? [[User:Angela|Angela]] 11:34, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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** Content was just ''Sir David and Sir Frederick Barclay are the most generous people I have come across. They have also transformed Brecqhou into a wonderful island. Welcome to the Channel Islands.'' -- hardly encylopedic, nor really useful, so I blanked it. It can be rewritten, if someone knows enough about them to write an encylopedic article, but perhaps it's best starting anew? [[User:Dysprosia|Dysprosia]] 11:40, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

***Hm... odd that that should coem up, I'm working on the Sunday Times Rich List 2003 at the moment and they are listed at Number 34 worth £650m. Other than that I know nothing of them. [[User:Mintguy|Mintguy]] 13:19, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

*** I've just done a Pizza Puzzle and made fifty consecutive small additions, although admittedly it's still a pathetic stub. Will it do, though? -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 00:53, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**** Looks good to me :) Nice job [[User:Dysprosia|Dysprosia]] 08:50, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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* [[:Image:Tictiger.jpg]] a cartoon tiger that's not linked to. [[User:M123|M123]] 13:22, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Guff]]====

*[[Bling bling]] self-confessed dic def [[User:Jimfbleak|jimfbleak]] 14:49, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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**I've expanded it now. [[User:TUF-KAT|Tuf-Kat]]

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*[[Chair lift]] - orphaned redirect page.[[User:Vancouverguy|Vancouverguy]] 18:16, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** Keep it. It is a valid redirect. -- [[User:Popsracer|Popsracer]] 00:31, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**Edit conflict:( I was coming to say the same thing. [[User:Angela|Angela]] 00:32, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Chung Ling Record]]====

*[[Reasonable man]] - nonsense. [[User:Vancouverguy|Vancouverguy]] 18:25, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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** Blatant nonsense. Delete. [[User:Kosebamse|Kosebamse]] 18:39, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

***Were I certain of the copyright status, I'd just fill the page with excerpts from [[A. P. Herbert]]'s discussion. See http://www.geocities.com/bororissa/rea.html But what stood there is word salad. -- [[User:Ihcoyc|IHCOYC]] 19:06, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** Original contributor now replaced it with a long text that looks copyrighted, as it is apparently from a scientific journal. (Notably, the text included the source that it was copied from). [[User:Kosebamse|Kosebamse]] 19:48, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** The material might be badly written, but the topic is not nonsense, of course. "Reasonable" and "reasonable man" have specific meaning in law, and this technical meaning belongs in an encyclopedia. [[User:Mkmcconn|Mkmcconn]] 20:30, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**If that is so, write something about the subject and we will kiss your feet ;-) [[User:Kosebamse|Kosebamse]] 20:09, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

***Perhaps, though, if that article is written, someone is bound to come along sooner or later and claim that it belongs at [[reasonable person]]. -- [[User:Ihcoyc|IHCOYC]] 20:55, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

* Has been moved and turned into a good stub. Keep. [[User:Evercat|Evercat]] 00:02, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**Mkmcconn, please consider your feet kissed ;-) Keep. [[User:Kosebamse|Kosebamse]] 04:57, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[Dragon Ball Z WW2 theory]] - seems to be a personal essay. [[User:Evercat|Evercat]] 18:46, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**KEEEP IT! There is an obscure theory that WW2 is responsible for anime. Admittedly it is probably not called the "Dragon Ball Z WW2 theroy" [[User:BL|BL]] 00:27, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

***Obscure is right, it's totally unverifiable. A Google search for ''"Marcos Rubio" "dragon ball"'' (Marcos being the supposed originator of the theory) turns up no Google hits whatsover. [[User:Evercat|Evercat]] 00:32, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

***Why can't a short 'Some American academics believe that Japan's WW2 is responsible for the <whatever>,' suffice in the main [[anime]] article instead of a dedicated essay of questionable merit on the subject? While I agree with the basic premise, I don't think the essay provides a very good argument and its facts are often wrong. Mind you, all of that's secondary to the fact that it '''is''' an essay about some unknown guy's unknown theory. Delete. -- [[User:Tlotoxl|Tlotoxl]] 00:55, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Chinese cannibalism]]====

*[[ProEngineer]] - Advertising link. Blanked.[[User:Vancouverguy|Vancouverguy]] 18:47, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[:Image:President Bush.jpg]] - copyright. [[User:Mbecker|{ MB <nowiki>|</nowiki> &#12510;&#12452;&#12459;&#12523; }]] 19:16, Aug 18, 2003 (UTC)

====[[Iraq Liberation Act]]====

*[[:Image:Reagan with intellectual counterpart.jpg]] - copyright. [[User:Mbecker|{ MB <nowiki>|</nowiki> &#12510;&#12452;&#12459;&#12523; }]] 19:16, Aug 18, 2003 (UTC)

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*[[Mizuno Ami]], [[Mamoru Chiba]], [[Kino Makoto]], [[Outer Senshi]], probably all of the contributions of [http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&target=Crealica User:Crealica] - copyvio. -- [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] 21:03, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[SchneersonQuotes]]====

*[[Game Boy Camera & Printer]] - just a picture of the product. - [[User:DavidWBrooks|DavidWBrooks]] 21:22, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[Decency]] - copyvio, and about the [[Legion of Decency]] in any case. --[[User:Delirium|Delirium]] 21:57, Aug 18, 2003 (UTC)

====[[Yayhooray]]====

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*[[Palestinian National Charter]] - I think that we're not supposed to have just [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not|source texts]] as articles. I could be wrong though -- [[User:Ams80|Ams80]] 22:51, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** You're correct. Delete. --[[User:Menchi|Menchi]] 03:05, Aug 19, 2003 (UTC)

** KEEEP IT! It is an important document and often used as a rethorical bat in debates. The full text is needed to not need large quotations in other articles. [[User:BL|BL]] 21:14, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Uppercase Day]]====

==August 19==

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*[[Danielson Family]]. Is there enough information to make an article out of this? [[User:RickK|RickK]] 02:45, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** Delete. [[User:Daniel Quinlan|Daniel Quinlan]] 03:01, Aug 19, 2003 (UTC)

** I tried to fix. See what you think. [[User:Kat|Kat]] 22:22, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

*** I think that's the best that could be done, but it's a cop-out. It should really just be deleted. For one thing, the group name is "Danielson Famile". Second, the other things you added to "water down" the advertizing aspect are the cop-out -- they only share the same name. [[User:Daniel Quinlan|Daniel Quinlan]] 22:42, Aug 19, 2003 (UTC)

** KEEEP IT! [[User:BL|BL]] 21:31, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** The page contained content on three apparently unconnected subjects. I have moved the content. See [[Danielson Famile]], [[Peter Danielson]], and [[Lennox Danielson]]. The first is quite informative; the other two are very brief, but a small amount of information is better than none. I say keep the lot. -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 22:38, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

*** Not to cause trouble, but currently [[Peter Danielson]] and [[Lennox Danielson]] are only linked to by this page, and will be orphaned, should this discussion cease. [[Danielson Famile]] is only linked to by a [[Danielson Family|redirect]], this page, and a page called [[List of outsider musicians]] (a list which has no explanatory text or apparent purpose...maybe someone can enlighten me?). If that list is meaningless, then we've just created several islands...ought we really to keep them? I'm having doubts...[[User:Jwrosenzweig|Jwrosenzweig]] 23:33, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[B.J. Snowden]]. Another less-than-encyclopedic article by the same creator as above. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 02:56, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** Delete. [[User:Daniel Quinlan|Daniel Quinlan]] 03:01, Aug 19, 2003 (UTC)

====[[Wikipedia:Who]]====

*[[Daniel Johnston]]. Another odd article. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 02:57, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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** Delete, it's an advertizement for obscure person. [[User:Daniel Quinlan|Daniel Quinlan]] 03:01, Aug 19, 2003 (UTC)

** KEEEP IT! He is famous. [[User:BL|BL]] 02:22, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** He does appear to be quite well known, and his work has been praised by lots of people in the music industry. I found that out from a quick Google search. Do people even bother checking whether or not people are famous before listing them here? -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 02:41, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[Alex Higgins]]. Obscure person. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 03:53, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**Why obscure? Seems to be rather prominent as a snooker player. --[[User:Wik|Wik]] 03:56, Aug 19, 2003 (UTC)

**Obscure he might be for someone who does not know a fig about snooker. In snooker world, he is one of the most notorious personalities. In addition, those who got an idea about tobacco advertising will realize that his role becomes nearly historic in, first, advertising, and then counter-advertising (due to his throat cancer). Last but not least, sport history articles at Wiki link to Alex, which everyone proposing a deletion should check in the first order! Otherwise we will develop mini-Wiki where [[Galba]] does not show up as insignifican emperor. Everyone remembers [[Nero]] but Galba? Do we want a crippled Wikimentary?

** Famous in UK, keep, [[User:Jimfbleak|jimfbleak]]

***I have expanded the stub now. Why are there no snooker players in Wikipedia? [[User:Angela|Angela]] 11:28, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

****Known in Finland too. <imitate Higgins setting up stance for cueing> -- Cimon Avaro on a pogostick

**** Obscure?????? He only won the bloomin' world championships! :-) (I ''hate'' sports but even I know that!) Of course don't delete. [[User:Jtdirl|FearÉIREANN]] 03:01, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**** Mega-famous, more like. [[User:Deb|Deb]] 22:47, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Canadian gun registry]]====

*[[Per-Uno Undertun]]. I can find *no* reference to this admittedly "not famous yet" "multiguitar player" outside of Wikipedia. [[User:Jgm|Jgm]] 04:42, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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** "not that famous yet" is just asking for an immediate whack. Delete it. [[User:Daniel Quinlan|Daniel Quinlan]] 06:09, Aug 19, 2003 (UTC)

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*[[Taj Mahal/temp]]. My creation. Not needed anymore. [[User:Wshun|wshun]] 05:01, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

=== May 25 ===

*[[Brett Whiteley]] no indication of who he is [[User:Jimfbleak|jimfbleak]] 06:05, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Jason_Richey]]====

**He's a somewhat notable artist, but I agree, delete -- no article is better than one that just lists his dates of birth and death (at least with no article the links will turn up red, possibly encouraging someone to write an article). --[[User:Delirium|Delirium]] 06:36, Aug 19, 2003 (UTC)

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*[[Wikipedia deletion]] - orphaned redirect to here, in the wrong namespace. Created a year and a half ago, possibly before there was a Wikipedia: namespace. --[[User:Delirium|Delirium]] 06:39, Aug 19, 2003 (UTC)

====[[CCITT X.409 '84]]====

*[[New Humanism]] - pointless article of just external references. I can do a google search instead. [[User:Daniel Quinlan|Daniel Quinlan]] 09:41, Aug 19, 2003 (UTC)

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**I made that into a reasonable stub. [[User:LittleDan|LDan]] 01:15, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[First hand]] (an ancient page) Like a dictionary definition, only... -- Cimon Avaro on a pogostick

**yup, also an orphan [[User:Mkweise|Mkweise]]

==== [[Bandwagon Oklahoma Music]] and [[BandwagonOK]] ====

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*[[Theatrical constraints]] - Arrant nonsense. -- Cimon Avaro on a pogostick

**Made sense to me. The business about the Comedie Fran&ccedil;aise is actually true. I am fairly sure that the business about Japanese theatre is also true. I had never heard of "Outrapo", but Google reveals that it exists beyond this article. -- [[User:Ihcoyc|IHCOYC]] 13:59, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Tom Jackson]]====

*[[Robert de Grimston]] - copyvio. -- [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] 12:44, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[AfriNIC]]. Is there any point have an article on an internet registry? [[User:Angela|Angela]] 13:43, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** Why not? There have been articles for the other four registries since a long time, so I see no reason to single out Afrinic. There is not much to say yet, but in the next months it will become operative. -- [[User:Marcod'Itri|Md]] 21:31, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Windermere Real Estate]]====

*[[Doris Humphrey]] - copyvio. -- [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] 13:52, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[Agnes Martin]]. Only content is (Born 1912) Canadian/American Minimalist Painter. [[User:Angela|Angela]] 13:53, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**So what?? In the days before the deletion craze that used to be called a stub. --[[User:KF|KF]] 01:02, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**I put more content there.

**I noticed that, LittleDan. And then [[User:Wik|Wik]] removed the deletion notice, but of course the article is still listed here. The whole procedure is getting more and more confusing. Shouldn't we use the good old [[Wikipedia:Pages needing attention]] more? --[[User:KF|KF]] 01:23, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Robert Kyle Wilson]]====

*[[Age of Aquarius]]. Copyright violation. [[User:Angela|Angela]] 14:15, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[Ahmadiyya]]. Copyright violation. [[User:Angela|Angela]] 14:15, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Massage_Therapy_School_-_NMSNT]]====

*[[Airwolf]]. Content is "TV series about a helicopter." Useful? [[User:Angela|Angela]] 16:54, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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**I added more content. I think that's better than going through deletion procedures. Please don't report stubs here. They just need work, not deletion. [[User:LittleDan|LDan]] 01:15, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[Album of the Year (Dove Award)]]. Basically an empty page. [[User:Angela|Angela]] 17:27, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Jetsam]]====

*[[Conservative views on American homelessness]] POV rant by [[User:JoeM]] --[[User:Jiang|Jiang]] 17:51, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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**[[Conservative views on American homelessness]] -- [[User:JoeM]] moved his reverted contributions to [[homelessness]] here in order to claim NPOV. This page shouldn't exist; if anything, it should be [[homelessness debate]] or something like that. No page should present only one viewpoint, even if it is about that viewpoint. [[User:Paullusmagnus|Paullusmagnus]] 19:24, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC) ''(moved here by [[User:Jwrosenzweig|Jwrosenzweig]] to consolidate vote)''

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**I agree with both of you. Besides, if we allow one such article, I begin to envision a Wikipedia swamped with articles such as [[The position of the Parti Quebecois on solid waste disposal]], which is no doubt a fascinating topic to some, but hardly encyclopedic. That's my two cents. [[User:Jwrosenzweig|Jwrosenzweig]] 19:38, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**Delete. --[[User:Wik|Wik]] 20:37, Aug 19, 2003 (UTC)

***I didn't want to create this page, but all conservative views are being censored on [[homelessness]] and the page is protected to enforce that censorship. Delete the article only when the censorship of [[homelessness]] is listed and that article is NPOVed and balanced. [[User:JoeM|JoeM]]

****No article can present just one side of the story. A website that contains only a long explanation of why [[communism]] is so great prefixed by &amp;quot;Communists say&amp;quot; is still a partisan rant. It would obviously have been written by a Communist. An encylopedia entry should not show anything about the views of the author. I can't tell whether http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/c1/communism.asp was written by a communist or a capitalist or just a moderate. Neither http://www.bartleby.com/65/co/communism.html. As I said before, Wikipedia just [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not|isn't]] the right place for you if you see anything wrong with this. If you don't see anything wrong with this, then I'm sure that you understand our strong feelings about major changes to developed articles. (If you wish to reply, rather than cloging up VfD, please reply to my comment on [[User:JoeM/ban]] (about halfway down the page)) [[User:Paullusmagnus|Paullusmagnus]] 23:56, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** Delete - agree that if such a discussion should be had it should be ballanced and part of a homelessness debate or similar

** Delete it. JoeM needs to be banned. -- [[User:Jakenelson|Jake]] 02:10, 2003 Aug 20 (UTC)

====[[Knut_Lyngar]]====

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*[[Algol W]]. What? [[User:Angela|Angela]] 18:04, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** #REDIRECT [[Algol programming language]] - keep (Algol W is a variant of Algol)

====[[True Magic]]====

*[[Al-Anon]] - page says it is copied, but does not say it has permission to be. [[User:Angela|Angela]] 17:02, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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** lots of pages fall into this category and turn out not to be copyvios, so give it the normal week. [[User:MyRedDice|Martin]] 17:57, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** I checked it out and the text that was copied (with attribution) is just their mission statement, which presumably they would very much like to have disseminated as much as possible. However, just quoting their mission statement does not make an ecyclopedic article. [[User:Mkweise|Mkweise]] 18:11, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** KEEEP IT! I remade the page from the quote even though I do not think 6 sentences could ever be considered a [[copyright violation]]. [[User:BL|BL]] 21:57, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[Grigori Orlov]] - admitted copyvio. --[[User:Delirium|Delirium]] 06:43, Aug 19, 2003 (UTC)

** Containing a copyright notice is not the same as being an "admitted copyvio" - the Columbia Encyclopedia may have given permission to use this article under the GFDL, for example. Give it the normal week. [[User:MyRedDice|Martin]] 17:57, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** KEEEP IT! Especially now since I remade it. [[User:BL|BL]] 22:05, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Stepping-stone democrat]]====

*[[siege engine]] (a stub), to make room for move of the more encyclopedic [[medieval siege weapon]]. [[User:Mkweise|Mkweise]] 11:16, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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**I've swapped the pages and made [[medieval siege weapon]] a redirect, the history of both pages has been presevered. [[User:Mintguy|Mintguy]] 12:49, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[Aliza of Rabat]]. Has been blanked. Not sure why. Should this be unblanked or deleted? [[User:Angela|Angela]] 18:16, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** unblanked, since no reason given for blanking. [[User:MyRedDice|Martin]] 18:41, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** The same user who blanked it copied the identical contents to [[Shulicka of Fez]]. Can anyone verify if the story is true, and if so, whether it should be attributed to an Aliza or to a Shulicka? I cannot find anything on either person on google. If nobody can verify, I'd say delete both (after orphaning them by deleting their entries on the date pages). --[[User:Delirium|Delirium]] 21:38, Aug 19, 2003 (UTC)

====[[Cap N1ne]]====

*[[Alkoxy group]]. Content is "in this function, R represents the alkyl group". Worth keeping? [[User:Angela|Angela]] 18:18, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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::I've rewritten as an intelligible stub [[User:Jimfbleak|jimfbleak]] 11:22, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[All The Small Things]]. Worth keeping a stub about a song? [[User:Angela|Angela]] 18:23, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** Agreed - pages for songs will very rarely contain any useful information [[User:Tompagenet|Tompagenet]] 23:36, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** Do we have a policy against pages for songs? If not, we should formulate one if you're going to deleting a factual article. [[User:LittleDan|LDan]] 01:15, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

*** LDan - I believe that the Wikipedia [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|Deletion policy]] would seem to indicate that this page should be listed on VfD. Under the section "What to list on VfD" the first point says "list stubs that you believe will never become more than a simple definition". Currently the [[All The Small Things]] article is quite a simple definition, and the information it contains (bar the month of release) can be found on the appropriate album page, [[Enema of the State]]. [[User:Tompagenet|Tompagenet]] 13:19, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** I suggest merging any content about a song into the album article, where possible. -- [[User:Jakenelson|Jake]] 02:10, 2003 Aug 20 (UTC)

*** Done. I think the names of the singles (there were three for ''[[Enema of the State]]'' and three for ''[[Take off Your Pants and Jacket]]'') can usefully stay as redirects to the articles on the albums, especially as the histories of these pages are the source of the information I moved to the articles on the albums. (I didn't verify the information, by the way. Sorry.) -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 00:54, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Phartcore_metal]]====

*[[Universitat, Hohenheim]] - copyvio. -- [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] 18:59, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[Massey College]] - copyvio. [[User:Evercat|Evercat]] 21:28, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[User:195.93.34.12/message]]====

*[[Gundam Seed Episodes 11-15]] - copyvio (see http://www.mahq.net/animation/gundam/seed/gsep11.htm for one example) [[User:Jwrosenzweig|Jwrosenzweig]] 23:03, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[Wartortle]] - content prior to my blanking it consisted of "faggot" [[User:Jwrosenzweig|Jwrosenzweig]] 23:10, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** Keep it - should become an article on the [[Pokémon]] Wartortle instead of being deleted. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 23:31, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

*** Ah, wasn't aware of the [[Pokémon]] Wartortle -- all right then, I guess. [[User:LittleDan]] has already stubbed said article. One question, though: should every individual Pokemon get its own page? I find this troubling, but maybe I'm alone in that. If all the other Pokemons (Pokemen?) (Pokepeople?) have their own page, I guess Wartortle should get one, but if not, I might still suggest deletion. [[User:Jwrosenzweig|Jwrosenzweig]] 00:00, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

****That would be a major policy change, because there are already a lot of pokemon articles. It's not like the pokemon will clog up the database. Remeber: Wikipedia is not paper. [[User:LittleDan|LDan]] 00:02, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

****I have to agree with LittleDan - even if someone would write an entry for each Pokémon (I'm not sure how many there are; more than 151, definitely, but I think it's less than 300), it wouldn't really make a difference. The database is already pretty sizeable (106 megs just for the cur table currently, and that's [[bzip2]] compressed), and at 150,000 articles, even 151 more would hardly make a difference (Wikipedia gets more new articles than that on each single day, anyway [http://www.wikipedia.org/wikistats/EN/TablesArticlesNewPerDay.htm]). Still, regarding the question whether everyone Pokémon *should* have an article - I'd personally say that all those should get one where somebody is willing to write one. <tt>:)</tt> As such, I'm definitely against deletion. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 02:30, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**Before making any decision, please visit the forum [[Wikipedia talk:Criteria for inclusion of biographies/Fictional characters]] -[[User:Wshun|wshun]] 23:57, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Kevin_Anderson]]====

==August 20==

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* ''discussion of content of [[User:JoeM]] moved to [[User talk:JoeM]]''

====[[Stuffology]]====

*[[Vikas Yadav]] - a not-yet-famous PhD student, likely autobiographical. --[[User:Delirium|Delirium]] 02:55, Aug 20, 2003 (UTC)

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** Delete it. [[User:LittleDan|LDan]] 13:41, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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* [[List of Indians]] is [[Vikas Yadav]] the Autobiographer or Yikas-fan's only other contribution. ([[List of famous Indians]] exists already. And he isn't famous.) --[[User:Menchi|Menchi]] 05:38, Aug 20, 2003 (UTC)

** Has some famous people not on List of famous Indians. Don't delete until I'm done migrating the useful content. [[User:LittleDan|LDan]] 13:41, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** When you're done migrating, just redirect instead of deleting, to discourage it being recreated again by someone who doesn't know [[List of famous Indians]] exists. --[[User:Delirium|Delirium]] 19:20, Aug 20, 2003 (UTC)

====[[Trosh]]====

*[[Smooth muscle]] - content lacking, doesn't make sense, incomplete. [[User:Jeoth|Jeoth]] 05:02, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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**I've replaced it with a proper stub. [[User:Mkweise|Mkweise]] 05:54, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[List of cities by country]] - unmaintainable and obsoleted by [[List of city listings by country]]. --[[User:Seav|seav]] 05:18, Aug 20, 2003 (UTC)

**Don't delete. It has cities that are not yet included in the appropriate individual "by country" listings. I'll start migrating the info; when finished we can simply redirect the page to [[List of city listings by country]].

**[[List of city listings by country]] is a silly name, it should be moved to [[List of cities by country]]. In either case, a redirect should be kept, there's no case for deletion. -- [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] 01:26, Aug 21, 2003 (UTC)

====[[Toas]]====

*[[Ptoko]], [[Ptokan Alliance]] "as yet unpublished author.." [[User:Jimfbleak|jimfbleak]] 06:21, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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**Kill it [[User:LittleDan|LDan]] 13:41, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[:Image:French knife.gif]] - Copyvio; also offensive. - [[User:Efghij|Efghij]] 06:34, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** Also not usable in an encyclopedia article. Kill. [[User:MyRedDice|Martin]] 09:59, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

***That was deleted before the week was over! [[User:LittleDan|LDan]] 13:41, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** It would appear to be very much back [[User:Tompagenet|Tompagenet]] 17:36, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Jerome War Relocation Center]]====

*[[Earthing]] 50k of junk [[User:Jimfbleak|jimfbleak]] 11:11, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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**The crappiest nonsense I've read for a long time. Delete. [[User:Kosebamse|Kosebamse]] 12:06, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**I contacted the author to come here. [[User:LittleDan|LDan]] 13:41, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**I think it definitely needs to be wikified and NPOV:ed quite comprehensively. Also the title is somewhat odd. I don't really know what a proper title would be though. As for being nonsense, I think it is pretty standard nonsense, and as such might well merit a NPOV article. Not really an expert, but what I do know about such sillyness, doesn't really contradict the beliefs described in it. Provided it isn't copyvio, I would keep.-- [[User:Cimon avaro|Cimon Avaro on a pogo-stick]] 07:05, Aug 21, 2003 (UTC)

***It looks like it was just cut and pasted here from someone's webpage. -- [[User:Kaijan|Kaijan]] 07:16, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[Croxteth Hall]] An advertisement with the first few paragraphs copied from its own website. [[User:DanKeshet|DanKeshet]] 14:19, Aug 20, 2003 (UTC)

**I've replaced it with a stubbish article; keep. --[[User:Delirium|Delirium]] 19:35, Aug 20, 2003 (UTC)

====[[Tarppy]]====

*[[Environmentalism (Critique of George W. Bush's politics)]] - POV masquerading as an article. [[User:Graft|Graft]] 17:24, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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**I see it as a legitimate topic, though perhaps it should be cut down a bit, and potentially merged somewhere. A more encyclopedic approach might be to have something like [[Environmentalism and US Presidents]] and give a history of support and opposition to the environmentalist movement among US presidents. --[[User:Delirium|Delirium]] 19:29, Aug 20, 2003 (UTC)

**It might have a place under [[George W. Bush]], but shunting it off into its own article -and- titling it "critique" serves only to highlight a particular POV - i.e. that George W. Bush has a bad environmental record. Merged, maybe, but this article cannot remain in its current form. [[User:Graft|Graft]] 19:44, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** IMO the title alone is highly pov, I think the article may be valid, but it can't be just one side . It should either be re written, or merged into something like G Bush's adminstration environmental record ( good and bad) otherwise it should be deleted.[[User:Smith03|Smith03]] 20:30, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**This article originated as a section of [[George W. Bush]] did it not? Beware of the common tactic of arguing that something is "too long" and justifying it going into its own article with an odd, long, name, and then come back later to censor it entirely. Integrate the material with GWB, or, as an alternative, adopt a style liked that of [[predicted effects of invading Iraq]]. Then you can deal with the actual disagreement, which is, that the [[Greens]] see Bush's regulatory cuts and refusal to sign [[Kyoto Protocol]], and so on, as leading to more [[pollution]], lower [[environmental health]], more [[cancer]], [[extinction]], while GWB and friends see it as [[economic growth]], cutting [[red tape]], and so on. Best way to handle two-sided zero-sum type debates. [[User:EntmootsOfTrolls|EofT]] 01:10, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC) (added by [[User:Dante Alighieri|Dante Alighieri]] 01:13, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC) as per request of EoT, who got an error when trying to add it)

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====[[Ulrike Köhler]] and [[Jochen Köhler]]====

*[[Incarmatics]] - possible copyright violation -- [[User:JeLuF|JeLuF]] 19:12, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[Sunyata]] - Looks like a Sanskrit proverb. Completely unnessesary. [[User:Vancouverguy|Vancouverguy]] 19:21, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** either rewrite it or move it to Wikionary. -[[User:Wshun|wshun]] 19:57, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** Doesn't look like a proverb at all to me - it looks like a definition.... although it doesn't seem descriptive enough to be an encyclopedia entry. -[[User:Rei|Rei]] 20:04, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** I've made a proper stub of it. [[User:Mkweise|Mkweise]] 05:16, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

=== May 26 ===

====[[White nationalist FAQ]]====

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*[[Republic of Minerva]] - possible copyright violation -- [[User:JeLuF|JeLuF]] 19:25, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Sexdecillion]], [[Quattuordecillion]], [[Quindecillion]], [[Tredecillion]], [[Undecillion]]====

*[[Sjeng Schalken]] - only dutch text, and the photo [[:Image:R schalken i.jpg]] is a copyright violation, with the (c) Reuters still clearly visible. -- [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] 19:27, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[Body of water]] - I honestly cannot envision this article ever going anywhere. - [[User:Hephaestos|Hephaestos]] 22:41, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** Same here. [[User:Vancouverguy|Vancouverguy]] 22:43, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**I've been working on most of the pages this links to and see no advantage to linking back. Delete - [[User:Marshman|Marshman]] 22:16, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[footjob]]====

*[[The Chronicles of George]] - not quite sure about this one. [[User:Dysprosia|Dysprosia]] 23:17, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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**Didn't we already delete this article a week or two ago? -- [[User:JeLuF|JeLuF]] 05:08, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

***KEEEP IT! The site is really funny and very popular. [[User:BL|BL]] 22:24, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

****I don't know as to its popularity, but the site itself seems to consist of just screenshots of the same form with different text - George and the Chronicles author may be one in the same - anyway...is it of encyclopedic significance? [[User:Dysprosia|Dysprosia]] 01:47, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[Rules for mushroom hunting]] - Wikipedia is not guide to safely. If this article remains there must be a disclaimer at the top of this article. [[User:Mintguy|Mintguy]] 23:23, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** IMO, this article mostly consists of warnings anyway, doesn't it? I don't see it telling you 'Do this'. [[User:Morven|Morven]] 00:03, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** Seing as how most of the pages about edible mushrooms talk about how to identify and collect them (often with little respect for cautionary notes and similar species - I did my best to fix this in the past few days), I felt that it would be irresponsible to not put corresponding warnings. As an example, the Chanterelle page was talking about how there's no risk of misidentification and things of that sort - I'd like to see whoever wrote that after accidentally eating a Jack-O-Lantern mushroom. Seing as most professional mushroom hunters use a code of safety similar to the one I listed, it only seems responsible.

** As an alternative that I could throw out there, I could make it instead an encylcopedia page about mushroom hunting or mushroom hunters in general. It's quite a serious topic that's been neglected. [[User:Rei|Rei]] 19:21, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

*** An article on [[mushroom hunting]] would be good. It could include information about what people do, what experienced people recommend that people do, and what codes of safety are in fact used. However, I don't think articles should tell people what they should or should not do. It contradicts the spirit of the [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view|Neutral point of view]] policy. -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 01:22, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**There's too much good info in this article to just delete it. I agree that a general article on [[mushroom hunting]] would be best (and I certainly encourage Rei to work on it), but I'd rather have the current article than nothing at all. --[[User:Camembert|Camembert]] 01:31, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** I changed it to a general purpose enyclopedia page on mushroom hunting, and covered other aspects of [[mushroom hunting]]. I also changed it to make it more of a neutral point of view presentation. Is this good? I think its more well rounded. :) [[User:Rei|Rei]] 11:48, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Star of the County Down]]====

*[[Sean Stanek]], [[MonkeyBalls]] - look like vanity pages. The person who did these did them all in one day, and his (her?) only other edit was to add <nowiki> [[Sean Stanek]] </nowiki> to [[Iowa State University]] [[User:Paullusmagnus|Paullusmagnus]] 23:35, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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==August 21==

*[[Jim Cairns]] written in first person, lacks specific information. -[[User:Jeoth|Jeoth]] 02:19, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** I've turned it into a stubbish thing. Perhaps someone who knows about Australian politics will come along and add a bit more... -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 05:20, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[William Guzzardi]]====

*[[Char Aznable]] - possible copyright infringement -[[User:Jeoth|Jeoth]] 04:22, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[Ikeyd]] - not particularly notable piece of software. Google count (1040) is artificially inflated due to it being included in Debian (thus a lot of automatic directory listings). Googling 'ikeyd -debian' yields 404 results. -- [[User:Jakenelson|Jake]] 05:01, 2003 Aug 21 (UTC)

====[[David Pearce]]====

*[[The New Colossus]] - Source text. -- [[User:Cimon avaro|Cimon Avaro on a pogo-stick]] 05:44, Aug 21, 2003 (UTC)

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*[[Beehive tombs]] - Possible copyvio. Source text is identical to [http://www.digsys.bg/books/cultural_heritage/thracian/architecture.html this page] and there's a note on the talk page (from last November) that noted another of the same on Geocities. If it's not deleted for copyvio, someone needs to rewrite it (context, etc) -- [[User:Jakenelson|Jake]] 06:40, 2003 Aug 21 (UTC)

**I rewrote that article so it should be fine now. It's kind of stubby, but I don't really know much about them aside from the basics :) It should probably also be moved to [[Tholos tomb]], which is a more "official" name. [[User:Adam Bishop|Adam Bishop]] 02:00, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Hedonistic imperative]]====

*[[Phantomized]] - Idiosyncratic dictionary definition of a private nonce-word. -- Cimon Avaro on a pogostick

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*[[Ramath-lehi]] - commercial for a website, no encyclopedaeic contents. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] 12:27, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Nick Bostrom]]====

*[[Hindustan International Airport]] - copyvio. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] 12:50, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[Dr. Michael Walker]] - headmaster of a college, IMHO not important enough to keep, and the content sounds a bit dubious to me as well. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] 12:57, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**Yeah, we should have [[Johnny Walker]] instead. --[[User:KF|KF]] 16:01, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

***I can't see any reason to wait before deleting this entry. It is clearly some schoolboy's idea of a joke against his head teacher, and is gratuitously insulting as well as uninteresting. [[User:Deb|Deb]] 18:18, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**** Headmaster of my old school (not "college"). He has an entry in ''Who's Who'', and is therefore officially notable. And the reason that we have to wait a week before deletion is because it is our [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|policy]]. "Can't see any reason to wait" indeed. Pfft. I will replace the current waffle with a stub. Keep. -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 18:54, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**** I've moved the page to [[Michael Walker (headmaster)]], so that page should now be considered the subject of this discussion, unless anyone wants to propose deleting my [[Michael Walker]] disambiguation page as well. I've moved some information that is probably unverifiable from the article to the talk page. It needs more work, but should be kept... -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 20:30, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**** Try reading the deletion policy again. You ''don't'' have to wait if an article is obvious rubbish, as this one was. But I'm glad you've taken it on yourself to improve it. [[User:Deb|Deb]] 22:47, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

***** I have, you do, and it wasn't... More detailed reply on your talk page... -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 23:49, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[World Transhumanist Association]]====

*[[Rhombic triacontahedron]], [[Trapezoidal icositetrahedron]], [[Trapezohedron]], [[Rhombic dodecahedron]], [[Catalan solid]] - copyvio, all copied from Wolfram Research. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] 13:10, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[Mangalagiri]] - copyvio. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] 13:31, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

==== [[Michael H. Hart]] ====

*[[Metropolitan Bible Church (Ottawa)]] - nothing but an external link. [[User:Jwrosenzweig|Jwrosenzweig]] 15:45, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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**I just got into an edit conflict with you over reporting the same article. Not only is it just an external link, but we need to consider our policy on articles on small places of worship like this. Not that we'd delete the [[Dome of the Rock]], but this is just a local church. You shouldn't delete articles just because they're stubs. [[User:LittleDan|LDan]] 15:54, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**Delete. We should definitly have articles on local churches if they're perticularly historic and/or architectural notable, but in this case I see no evidince of either. - [[User:Efghij|Efghij]] 01:51, Aug 22, 2003 (UTC)

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*[[MLCAD]] - unintelligible. --[[User:KF|KF]] 16:06, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Haifa Linux Club]]====

*[[Stabyhoun]] - possible copyright infringement -- [[User:Sannse|sannse]] 16:12, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[Operation Blue Star]], [[Mileva Maric]] - copyvios. --[[User:Delirium|Delirium]] 17:33, Aug 21, 2003 (UTC)

====[[Paul_McKeever]]====

*[[Bahai International Community]] - copyvio. --[[User:Delirium|Delirium]] 17:42, Aug 21, 2003 (UTC)

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*[[Character Analysis]] - sub-stub. --[[User:Delirium|Delirium]] 17:42, Aug 21, 2003 (UTC)

====[[Poof]] and [[Pouffe]]====

*The following appear to be unresolved copyvio issues. They all have a copyright infringment notice, but were not listed on VfD. -[[User:Jeoth|Jeoth]] 18:52, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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**[[Schottky junction]] &#8211; Jul 8

**[[Vasil Bykau]] &#8211; Jul 23

**[[List of psychiatric medications]] &#8211; Aug 1

**[[MOAI]] &#8211; Aug 1

**[[Admiral Piett]] &#8211; Aug 4

**[[Bossk]] &#8211; Aug 4

**[[Wastelands of History]] &#8211; Aug 11

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*[[Eldorado (soap opera)]] - copyvio. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] 19:57, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Natural Hygiene]]====

*[[Elijah Muhammad]] - doesn't seem relevent. I can't see it going anywhere.[[User:Vancouverguy|Vancouverguy]] 20:14, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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**Stubbed it. Definitely an important topic. We're missing so much on the whole black liberation movement, of which the NoI is definitely a (controversial) part. Can't delete this - make more on this and associated subjects instead! [[User:Graft|Graft]] 20:32, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

***I agree with Graft: this is a historically relevant entry. -- [[User:Kaijan|Kaijan]] 07:13, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[Transcend]] - content before blanking was a POV essay I'd removed earlier from [[Kurt Kawohl]]. [[User:Jwrosenzweig|Jwrosenzweig]] 21:47, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Chelation therapy]]====

==August 22==

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*[[Mario Schoenberg]] - wrong language (blanked by [[User:Dysprosia]]). --[[User:Delirium|Delirium]] 00:24, Aug 22, 2003 (UTC)

** Was this the Right Thing to do (ie blank)? If not, sorryyy... In any case, I told the author (in my broken French) about the French wiki... [[User:Dysprosia|Dysprosia]] 00:30, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

*** Some people like to do it, while others don't. I don't like the practice myself, because I think it's useful to be able to see the content that is being discussed, without having to go back into the page history. -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 00:41, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[Battle_royale]] - duplicated with [[Battle_Royale_(film)]]. [[User:Mjanich|MJanich]]

* ====[[AstralKarmann]]====

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** Dictionary definition. -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 03:49, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

***move and redirect it to wiktionary? - fagan

**** But I don't approve of interwiki redirects... -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 07:19, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*[[Preservation Jihad]] -- two google hits, neither pertinent. -- [[User:Someone else|Someone else]] 05:01, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Thinkism]]====

*[[Moop]] looks like nonsense to me. [[User:M123|M123]] 05:12, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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** The user has admitted that it was only a newbie experiment, and that it "deserves to be deleted". So deleting it should be all right. -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 07:19, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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*Also, [[young]] by the same user. --[[User:Wik|Wik]] 05:16, Aug 22, 2003 (UTC)

====[[LUX]]====

* [[Pejorative terms for the French]], because it is not encyclopedic and because it was openly created as a anti[[WikiLove]] act. Both being redhibitoire for me. We are not here to help people on purpose to go against one another. [[User:Anthere|Anthère]] 06:44, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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** Agreed. Delete this one. -- [[User:Kaijan|Kaijan]] 07:10, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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* [[Pejorative terms for Germans]] also delete this, see above. [[User:M123|M123]] 06:56, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

**I would not be sad to see [[Pejorative terms for the French]] and [[Pejorative terms for Germans]] go, but if being unencyclopedic and anti-WikiLove are criteria for deletion, [[Slogan 'AIDS Kills Fags Dead']] and all its redirects should also go. -- [[User:Someone else|Someone else]] 07:04, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

*** Neither of these belong here. It's against the NPOV. -- [[User:Kaijan|Kaijan]] 07:10, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** I don't want to sound evil or anything, but I don't really see anything wrong with having articles about pejorative terms, as long as they don't endorse them. They could easily be written in a NPOV way, and could be quite educational. (As is [[Slogan 'AIDS Kills Fags Dead']], in my view...) -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 07:19, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** It might be worth noting that we have [[List of ethnic slurs]]. Articles are generally better than lists, though, because articles can give fuller explanations of what terms mean, who uses them, how they are used, and so on. Lists tend to just have short phrases as explanations. -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 07:30, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

***I'd argue that lists are better than separate articles for each separate slur (''vide'': [[Slogan 'AIDS Kills Fags Dead']]), as separate articles are: (1) unlikely to become encyclopedic and (2) unduly emphasize the importance of each epithet. -- [[User:Someone else|Someone else]] 07:34, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

** Well, the above-mentioned articles group the terms by country, rather than having separate articles for separate terms. (However, if one term ended up hogging a large proportion of the space in the article, it would make sense to move it out into its own article.) -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 08:15, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

***Which is an argument FOR "Perjorative terms for homosexuals" and AGAINST [[Slogan 'AIDS Kills Fags Dead']]. <G>. Not that it or its many redirects will ever actually be deleted, of course. -- [[User:Someone else|Someone else]] 08:19, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

*** One of the redirects should be deleted in a day or two: see Aug 16 listing above. [[User:MyRedDice|Martin]] 09:03, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Arab Khamula]]====

*[[Communications history of the Philippines]]-- moved content to [[Communications in the Philippines]]

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** That means it shouldn't be deleted. The author attributions for parts of [[Communications in the Philippines]] are in its history, and should be preserved. I've made it a redirect. -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 08:15, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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* [[Otomo Yoshihide]]

** Possible copyright infringement. -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 07:19, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[Partit Nacionalista Liberal de Catalunya]]====

*[[Subterranean Homesick Blues]] -- Copyright infringement? This is just a page of lyrics. -- [[User:Kaijan|Kaijan]] 08:43, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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**Definite copyright infringement - lyrics on bobdylan.com -- [[User:Kaijan|Kaijan]] 08:54, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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* [[James W. McCord, Jr.]] -- please delete so real article at [[James W. McCord, Jr]] (note the absence of a trailing period) can be moved there with its history. [[User:Branden|Branden]] 08:49, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

====[[UNaXcess]]====

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====[[Cairns State High School]]====

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=== May 27 ===

====[[Very large numbers]]====

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====[[Guánica Bay]]====

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====[[Vollis]]====

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====[[Disassociate]]====

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====[[Mr.Bits]]====

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====[[Quantum phase transition]]====

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====[[List of people who have not committed suicide]]====

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====[[Kassandra Hiroshima]] and [[Kassandra HiroshimA]]====

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====[[A. Smith]]====

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====[[Digivolve]]====

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====[[Nothlit (Animorphs)]]====

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=== May 28 ===

====[[Heck]]====

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====[[Mudgik]]====

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Apologies, was not logged in.

I do not expect you to understand the importance a mutable archive of Mudgik would provide the Mudgik community. The remark is blunderous; importance is relative.

It is not a [[website]] it was a [[MUD]].

It exists today in two forms (I am still researching them).

For more MUDs that aren't 'that important' please see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUD#Popular_MU*s

Keepers. [[User:Yeago|Yeago]] 04:09, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

====[[Claire Chow]]====

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====[[Bikeshed]]====

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====[[Advanet]]====

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====[[Template:Top seeds for French Open 2004]]====

Is there going to be one of these for every Grand Slam in every year? By the end of the year, will there be four of these on the [[Serena Williams]] page with eighty names listed? At the end of five years, will there be twenty of them on her page? [[User:RickK|Rick]][[User talk:RickK|'''K''']] 04:03, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

====[[Miscible]]====

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