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The [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians|Musicians]] [[WP:PJ|WikiProject]] aims to organize and categorize the articles about musicians within [[:Category:Musicians]] and its many, many sub categories.

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==Category structure==

Please use the following guidelines when organizing articles. To discuss these guidelines, please use the {{talk|2=talk page}}.

===Orders===

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* [[:Category:American rock musicians]] - 2nd order. nationality: American, genre: rock, instrument: NA

* [[:Category:Pop guitarists]] - 2nd order. nationality: NA, genre: Pop, instrument: guitar

* [[:Category:BritishAmerican punk rock drummers]] - 3rd order. nationality: BritishAmerican, genre: Punk rock, instrument: Drums

===Pre-orders===

In order toTo separate categories of different orders, we use pre-order categories. These are used to group similar higher order subcategories within their parent category. In general, ''Category:<N> <G> musicians'' is a sub category of ''Category:<N> musicians'', but so is ''Category:<N> &lt;I>ists'', which is true for all genres "G" and all instruments "I". Therefore, to keep them separate, we introduce two pre-second order sub-categories of ''<N> musicians'', which are: ''Category:<N> musicians by genre'' and ''Category:<N> musicians by instrument''. ''Category:<N> <G> musicians'' willis now be a sub category of the former, and ''Category:<N> &lt;I>ists'' will beis a subcategory of the latter, and neither will beis placed directly into ''Category:<N> musicians''. Similarly, pre-third order categories might be of the form ''Category:<N> &lt;I>ists by genre'' as a subcategory of ''Category:<N> &lt;I>ists'' and ''Category:<G> &lt;I>ists by nationality'' is a subcat of ''Category:<G> &lt;I>ists''.

Note that each first order category can have 2 pre-second order sub cats, but each second order category willhas only have 1one pre-third order sub cat, because the second-order category itself is only missing one piece of information.

Example:

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*****[[:Category:American classical pianists]] - third order

There are also three pre-first categories, which are subcategories of [[:Category:Musicians]] itself. These are simply [[:Category:Musicians by nationality]],[[:Category:Musicians by genre]], and [[:Category:Musicians by instrument]].

====Placing pre-order categories====

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===IMPORTANT Note about singers===

Singers should be considered musicians who use a specific instrument, that instrument being [[Vocals]]. The term for a person who "plays the vocals" so to speak is a singer. Therefore, in category names, use the term "singer" but when sorting by instrument, use "Vocals" as the instrument.

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==Placing articles in the structure==

Articles should be placed into as specific of a category as possible, always favor third-order over second, and second over first whenever the information is available. They should '''not''' be placed in a parent category and also one of it's sub categories, e.g., no placing an article in both ''Category:<N> <G>musicians'' and ''Category:<N> musicians'', it's redundant. And remember, you should only have to place each ''article'' into one category using this scheme because each third order category is a sub-cat of all the appropriate second order and first order categories, so if you put your article into ''Category:<N> <G> &lt;I>ists'', it will automatically fallfalls under ''Category:<N> <G> musicians'', ''Category:<N> &lt;I>ists'', and ''Category:<G> &lt;I>ists'', not to mention ''Category:<N> musicians'', ''Category:<G> musicians'' and ''Category:&lt;I>ists''.

==Other things that come up==

===Category overlap===

What about things like [[:Category:Heavy metal musicians]] and [[:Category:Rock musicians]]. Clearly Heavy metal musicians are a sub-set of Rock musicians, so [[:Category:Heavy metal musicians]] should be a sub-category of [[:Category:Rock musicians]]. That's fine, no problem, make it a sub cat of [[:Category:Rock musicians]] the same way you normally would. This also applies to [[:Category:Scottish musicians]], which is a sub cat of [[:Category:British musicians]] and [[:Category:Bass guitarists]], which is a sub category of [[:Category:Guitarists]]. The question is whether the sub categories should also be built into the structure. Generally, the answer can be yes, in addition to being a sub cat of [[:Category:American rock musicians]], [[:Category:American heavy metal musicians]] should also be a sub cat of [[:Category:American musicians by genre]] and [[:Category:Heavy metal musicians by nationality]]. The applicability of this is a matter of opinion, but generally, unless the over lap is very strong and very obvious (e.g., ''Category:Six string guitarists'' as a subset of ''Category:Guitarists''), the more-specific subcategory can be placed in the structure. Otherwise, you can simply leave it as a sub-category of the category already in the structure (''Category:Guitarists'' in the previous example).

==={{tl|Fooian fooers}}===

This is a template used to add a [[Wikipedia:Classification|classification]] box to the top of a page based on the subject's nationality and profession. It shows up quite a bit on musician pages and even musician categories. The template itself is fine, but one of the arguments, ''Supercategory'', tends to conflict with the guidelines for third-order categories because the template automatically puts pages directly into second order NI categories, instead of ''NI by genre''. Therefore, on '''category''' pages where this causes a conflict, please simply remove the (optional) ''Supercategory'' argument to resolve the conflict.

===Category:Singer-Instrumentalists===

This is a common type of subcategory, for instance [[:Category:American singer-guitarists]]. These sub categories are fine and don't conflict with the guidelines. Such categories should simply be made sub categories of the appropriate singer and instrumental categories (So [[:Category:American singer-guitarists]] should be a sub-cat of [[:Category:American singers]] and [[:Category:American guitarists]]), but such categories should not themselves be made part of the strucure (e.g., don't put it in [[:Category:American musicians by instrument]] regardless of whether you want to sort it by "Vocals", "Guitar", "Singer-guitar", and any other thing.)

===Category:Singer-songwriters===

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*Put hip hop performance poets in [[:Category:Slam poets]].

*Try to avoid putting things directly in [[:Category:Rappers]]-- opt for a more specific category of rapper(e.g [[:Category:French rappers]], [[:Category:Female rappers]], etc.).

*DJ'sDJs go in [[:Category:Hip hop DJs]], and; producers inare [[:Category:Hipnot hopcategorised. producers]].

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