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== Link to weapons? ==
Is there any way we can get links to the kinds of weapons, small arms, vehicles, etc.
The same way we do for articles on modern armies? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/66.159.155.147|66.159.155.147]] ([[User talk:66.159.155.147|talk]]) 06:07, 3 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
they had special sword guns that were used in ww11 and they had a bomber plane called b-20 <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/202.156.161.168|202.156.161.168]] ([[User talk:202.156.161.168|talk]]) 01:32, 18 March 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 
== POWs ==
 
It is shown only 7500 became POWs after WW2!!,it is ridiculous. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/117.226.251.217|117.226.251.217]] ([[User talk:117.226.251.217|talk]]) 15:16, 6 February 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 
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:I agree. I personnally do not know of sources on early American military involvement beyond the exceptional early sale of a (French-made) warship such as the [[Kotetsu]] in [[1869]]. [[User:PHG|PHG]] 08:34, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
 
::I do not have any sources on American involvement in the formation of the Japanese military, but I will state that taking into consideration the very common Japanese pattern in the 1866-1910 period of hiring foreigners -- englishmen, americans, dutch, germans, et cetera -- to pump them for their knowledge and expertise when setting up modern installments, it's not at all unlikely that there were some American military experts involved in one capacity or another.
 
== [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (military units)]] ==
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For a nationalist army, a lot of Chinese, especially from the [[Tongmenghui]] seemed able to enlist. Seems ironic. [[User:130.111.98.125|130.111.98.125]] 15:40, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 
== Images ==
 
I find it hard to believe wikipedia users would find casualty pictures acceptable on a page about the military of the United States.
 
I am puzzled as to why 2 brutal images of fallen Japanese soldiers is appropriate here.
 
[[User:Wkimmerle|Wkimmerle]] 18:29, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 
:I see that they have been removed.--[[User:209.213.220.227|209.213.220.227]] 18:23, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
and replaced. I think this is a valid point, is an image of a man with his face shot off really suitable for a encyclopedia? Would an image of a dead american be tolerated on the US Army page? Would this image be suitable for viewing by a child? I think the answer to all three of these questions is no. [[User:Chris1012|Chris1012]] <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|comment]] was added at 19:44, 26 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 
Removed pictures of dead as unneeded for this article.--[[User:172.164.105.81|172.164.105.81]] 23:47, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 
== Psichological War ==
 
How come only panflets dropped by the allies contained the truth and the planflets distributed among the Japanese Army false? I really think the author is taking sides. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/65.255.55.107|65.255.55.107]] ([[User talk:65.255.55.107|talk]]) 02:10, 3 February 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 
==Assessment==
I've re-assessed this article as a Start class article for the Military History project as it does not meet the project's criteria for referencing. (Please note the project does not use C class as a rating, so if it is not a B then it must be a C). For a Mil hist B class rating, as a general rule an article requires at least one in-line citation per paragraph, or more if multiple sources are used for a paragraph or multiple contestable points are made (e.g. values, dates, analysis, etc.). I've added a few citations in where I have a source, but only have one book, so if others want to try work on the article adding citations, hopefully it can be built up to a B class. If you wish for a re-assessment, this can be requested at [[WP:MHA]]. If you wish for a more in depth review, you might consider a [[WP:MHPR|peer view]]. Cheers. — [[User:AustralianRupert|AustralianRupert]] ([[User talk:AustralianRupert|talk]]) 03:17, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 
==Non-Japanese==
I think that this article should include information about non-Japanese (Filipinos, Koreans, Manchurians, Taiwanese) people who served in the Japanese Army during WW2. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/58.69.149.234|58.69.149.234]] ([[User talk:58.69.149.234|talk]]) 04:28, 8 January 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 
== Final Paragraph Under fanaticism and war crimes is unclear in several places ==
 
I would like to raise several points of ambiguity for discussion. I have refrained from making any changes until I see if there is some consensus on what the paragraph is actually trying to say.
 
"The reputation of Imperial Army troops during the Pacific War of never surrendering is borne out by the extremely small number captured throughout the entire Pacific campaign compared with their opponents (80,000 British and Commonwealth prisoners were captured at Singapore alone). While the numbers are small by comparison to the European Theatre, in the South West Pacific Area (SWPA) just over 1,000 surrendered in each of 1942 and 1943, around 5,100 in 1944, and over 12,000 in 1945,[17] and might have been greater except for American shooting of prisoners.[18]"
 
1.) Exactly what numbers are small by comparison to the European Theatre, the numbers of prisoners or the numbers of combatants engaged and how is that relevant to the issue being discussed?
 
2.) While I won't dispute that there are documented instances of American shooting prisoners nor will I dispute that the absolute numbers of captured Japanese personnel would have been higher without them. I question whether the difference would be significant enough to significantly affect the comparison being made (that of the 80,000 british and commonweath prisoners captured at singapore alone being nearly four times greater than the number of Japanese personnel captured during the entire war) as the statement seems to imply. If not then it is a best an unnecessary qualification.
 
"The effect of psychological warfare was noticeable (about 20% of surrenders were directly due to it, and many more were influenced),[19] amounting to about one POW for every 6,000 leaflets dropped,[20] while the Japanese objected to the "unscrupulous" leaflets,[21] which expressly contained nothing but the truth.[22] This was in stark contrast to IJA's practice of circulating false stories,[15] which leaflets revealed to be false[15] when Army efforts to black out news left the leaflets as the only source of any news.[23]"
 
3.) Whose psychological warfare? The effect of psychological warfare on what? I propose (assuming my interpretation of the author's intent was correct that the sentence should read something like this: "The effect of American psychological warfare on the numbers of surrendering Japanese troops was noticeable..." [[User:Buckfan328|Buckfan328]] ([[User talk:Buckfan328|talk]]) 22:29, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 
:I've rewritten the paragraph because it contradicts itself. Propaganda leaflet drops being effective versus low numbers of prisoners taken; can't have both. I have reservations also of exclusive single-source attribution to print references (Dower, Gilmore) from the non-Japanese standpoint with regards to this topic. Actually, the entire section is crap, but I'm leery of touching it further at this time because it promises nationalist edit war if it's not done right. I'll return to this article when time permits. [[User:Jun Kayama|Jun Kayama]] ([[User talk:Jun Kayama|talk]]) 07:39, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 
== Atrocities of Imperial Japanese Army ==
 
There should be a section dedidicated to war atrocities of Imperial Japanese Army. The IJA is notorious for committing hideous crimes again humanity. So far I haven't heard any other army in the world that exceeded what IJA had done, not even Nazi Germany. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/99.238.112.194|99.238.112.194]] ([[User talk:99.238.112.194|talk]]) 23:18, 27 March 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 
== More informational and less sensational, please ==
 
Although there are details of several campaigns and other such actions by the Japanese military, there is not very much in the article about how the Japanese military was actually organized. Although I understand it is a tall order, I'd like to suggest that someone with expertise on the matter goes over this article and writes something which is a little bit more informational and a bit less sensational. [[User:Wistchars|Wistchars]] ([[User talk:Wistchars|talk]]) 01:59, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 
== Translation ==
 
(大日本帝國陸軍 Dai-Nippon Teikoku Rikugun?), literally "Army of the Greater Japanese Empire" Why is 大 translated with greater, to my knowledge it only means great.[[Special:Contributions/80.139.136.67|80.139.136.67]] ([[User talk:80.139.136.67|talk]]) 21:50, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 
== The Bombing Of Pearl Harbor During World War 2 ==
 
The Japanese had done the bombing of Pearl Harbor in Hawaii during the World War. It is told that this was said to be done by the Imperial Japanese Army. The Captain of this bombing was Mitsou Fuchida. The bombing only lasted two hours long/. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/66.208.230.193|66.208.230.193]] ([[User talk:66.208.230.193#top|talk]]) 15:05, 15 November 2016 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Rubbish bordering on TP vandalism. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/50.111.25.210|50.111.25.210]] ([[User talk:50.111.25.210#top|talk]]) 00:23, 20 January 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 
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== War crimes of the Japanese Army. ==
 
Are the Nanking Massacre, human experimentation by Japan's Unit 731 and the issue of comfort women in Korea by the Japanese military really true? The US Congressional Research Service examined these evidences and found that they could not be substantiated by official documents. It is clear that the investigation conducted by the US government did not uncover a single US government or military document to support claims of war crimes or 'systematic enslavement of women' involving Japanese comfort women. [[Special:Contributions/118.149.85.80|118.149.85.80]] ([[User talk:118.149.85.80|talk]]) 23:15, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 
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