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=== June 23 ===
==== [[:Category:Religious Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. Note that this is ''different'' from the "Wikipedians by religion" category: whereas it was argues that identifying with a religion offered potential collaborative networks, this category, of Wikipedians who are simply "religious" clearly doe not. As such, it exists solely for social networking. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 07:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who support Citizen Media]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 07:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who support HD DVD]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 07:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Anti-communist Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 07:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Anti-socialist Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 07:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Anti-fascist Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 07:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Anti-Denominational Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 07:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who oppose regional lockout]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 07:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who support peace in Sri Lanka]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 07:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Optimist Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 07:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Pessimist Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 07:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Peaceful Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 07:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Meritocratic Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 07:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians by number base preference]] ====
:<small>And all subcategories: [[:Category:Wikipedians who like base thirteen]], [[:Category:Wikipedians who like binary]], [[:Category:Wikipedians who like decimal]], [[:Category:Wikipedians who like duodecimal]], [[:Category:Wikipedians who like hexadecimal]], [[:Category:Wikipedians who like octal]], [[:Category:Wikipedians who like quinary]], [[:Category:Wikipedians who like senary]], [[:Category:Wikipedians who like sexagesimal]], [[:Category:Wikipedians who like ternary]], [[:Category:Wikipedians who like vigesimal]]</small>
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 07:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who support Blu-ray]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 07:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who use Skype]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 07:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who use the iTunes Store]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 07:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who use iTunes]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 07:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:IRCTunes supporters]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 07:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians by Myers-Briggs type]] ====
:<small>And subcategories: [[:Category:ENFJ Wikipedians]], [[:Category:ENFP Wikipedians]], [[:Category:ENTJ Wikipedians]], [[:Category:ENTP Wikipedians]], [[:Category:ESFJ Wikipedians]], [[:Category:ESFP Wikipedians]], [[:Category:ESTJ Wikipedians]], [[:Category:ESTP Wikipedians]], [[:Category:INFJ Wikipedians]], [[:Category:INFP Wikipedians]], [[:Category:INTJ Wikipedians]], [[:Category:INTP Wikipedians]], [[:Category:ISFJ Wikipedians]], [[:Category:ISFP Wikipedians]], [[:Category:ISTJ Wikipedians]], [[:Category:ISTP Wikipedians]]</small>
Personality types offer no potential for collaboration. [[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 02:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete all''' - Myers-Briggs typography is exceedingly general. A substantial portion of any population will fall into any given one of these categories. They also offer no way to collaborate using this information. As such, this has no collaborative merit. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 03:06, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete all''' per nom and above. <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">07:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
==== [[:Category:Non-smoking Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 02:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no collaborative merit. Smoking is very general. Not smoking is even more general. Not doing something is definitely not a reason to collaborate -- and smoking is not something people will collaborate around anyways. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 03:07, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom and above. <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">07:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
==== [[:Category:Smoking Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 02:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no collaborative merit. Smoking is very general. Smoking is not something people will collaborate around anyways. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 03:07, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom—<font color='red'>[[User:Arf!|arf!]]</font> 04:28, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom and above. <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">07:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
==== [[:Category:Left-handed Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 02:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no collaborative merit. Being left-handed, although uncommon, is not that rare. Also, it offers no way for people who share this attribute to work together -- contrary to popular opinion, lefties are not actually different from the rest of us in any meaningful way. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 03:09, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom and above. <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">07:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians with Cataplexy]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 02:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">07:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
==== [[:Category:Utilitarian Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 02:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">07:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who use Google Earth]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 02:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no collaborative merit. Using a popular software program does not make anyone more likely to work on it in an encyclopedic fashion. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 03:11, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom and above <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">07:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who like Red vs. Blue]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 02:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">07:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
==== [[:Category:Irreligious Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 02:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no collaborative merit. So what? No liking something does not induce anyone to working on articles together in any constructive way. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 03:12, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom and above <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">07:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians with irregular sleep schedules]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 02:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no collaborative merit. I am in this category -- however, I can't even begin to think of how this would help me work with another editor, let alone be inclined to do so. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 03:10, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' -- A lot of people have irregular sleep schedules and knowing your sleeping habits dosen't really help out Wikipedia. --[[User:Hdt83|<sub><font color="336611" ><b>Hdt83</b></font></sub>]] [[User talk:Hdt83|<sup><font color="blue" face="Arial"><b>Chat</b></font></sup>]] 03:57, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per above—<font color='red'>[[User:Arf!|arf!]]</font> 04:30, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom and all of above <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">07:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians experiencing mental health issues]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 02:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no collaborative merit. Way, way too broad to be of any use for collaboration. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 03:12, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom and above <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">07:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
==== [[:Category:Hyperopic Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 02:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">07:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who believe in Santa]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 02:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no collaborative merit. Believing in Santa will not help anyone, ever, write an encyclopedia article ever, and certainly will not help them work together on one. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 03:13, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom and above <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">07:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who believe in an afterlife]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 02:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no collaborative merit. Way too broad to be of any collaborative merit - lots of different faiths, and non-faiths believe in one. That doesn't mean they'll work together on an article about it. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 03:14, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom and above <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">07:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
==== [[:Category:Pollotarian Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 02:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">07:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
==== [[:Category:Pesco/pollo vegetarian Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 02:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">07:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
==== [[:Category:Car-free Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 02:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">07:24, 23 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
==== [[:Category:Straight edge Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 02:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no collaborative merit. Any collaborative merit this could have is minimal, and subsumed by other, more functional, templates and categories. The Myspace factor of this is over the top. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 03:16, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom and above <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">07:24, 23 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians with alcohol problems]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 02:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
:'''Delete'''. The category has [[WP:NOT#SOCiALNET|no collaborative purpose]]. Wikipedia is not and is not suited to be an help website. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 02:04, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no collaborative merit. Lots of people have alcohol problems, and that doesn't make them likely to work together on articles. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 03:15, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom and above <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">07:25, 23 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
=== June 22 ===
====[[:Category:Wikipedians who use AOL Instant Messenger]]====
This is possibly the ultimate [[WP:NOT#SOCIALNET]] category. There is no collaborative possbilities here, other than (possibly) the [[AOL Instant Messenger]] article. Not encyclopedic in any way, shape or form. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 00:04, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as nom. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 00:04, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no collaborative merit. Millions of users do this. Too broad to ever aid in collaboration. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 03:18, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per above. No collaborative merit whatsoever—<font color='red'>[[User:Arf!|arf!]]</font> 04:29, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who drive cars]] ====
This category has [[WP:NOT#SOCIALNET|no collaborative merit]]. The ability to drive a car is irrelevant to the ability to contribute encyclopedic content about cars. Category for professionals – mechanics, automotive engineers, stunt drivers – might be useful, but this generic category is not. In addition, the ability to operate a vehicle is a sufficiently broad property that I don't expect it to have any meaningful connection with a desire to edit articles about cars.
This nomination also includes:
:{{lc|Wikipedian hybrid vehicle supporters}} – the category namespace is [[WP:NOT#SOAP|not the place]] for supporting or opposing social issues
:{{lc|Wikipedians who drive Land Rovers}}
:{{lc|Wikipedians who like Mercedes-Benz}} – this category does not even suggest ownership of or knowledge about Mercedes-Benz, but only a positive feeling toward the brand
*'''Delete''' as nom. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 21:20, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no collaborative merit. Virtually everyone has this skill -- it will not help anyone work together. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 03:17, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
==== Category:Punk Wikipedians ====
:'''Suggest merging''' [[:Category:Punk Wikipedians]] to [[:Category:Wikipedians who listen to punk]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' {{{3|The two categories are essentially redundant. However, whereas a weak argument for collaborative potential could be made for the second, the title of the first implies a social networking purpose that goes against [[WP:NOT#SOCIALNET|current policy]]. '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 20:29, 22 June 2007 (UTC)}}}
====Political Compass Categories====
This is a group of seven interrelated categories, all of which are tied to [[User:The Thadman/Userbox/PolCompass]]. There are six political categories and one that relates specifically to the Political Compass test. Political categories were supposed to be nuked, but these were missed. The final category doesn't facilitate collaboration.
*[[:Category:Economic Neutral Wikipedians]]
*[[:Category:Economic Left Wikipedians]]
*[[:Category:Economic Right Wikipedians]]
*[[:Category:Social Authoritarian Wikipedians]]
*[[:Category:Social Libertarian Wikipedians]]
*[[:Category:Social Neutral Wikipedians]]
*[[:Category:Political Compass Wikipedians]]
(Note that I have this userbox on my page, and will be affected by the category deletion as well. That's fine with me; I am happy with the userbox alone.) [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 19:07, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete All''', as nom. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 19:07, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*Delete: These are identical to the previously deleted [[WP:UCFD#Category:WSPQ Wikipedians]] ones below, I must have missed it. It is not necessary to find someone of your own, or any other, political persuasion to foster collaboration, and the net result of these categories is to group users according to point of view, or, at best, to provide for social networking between likeminded users. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 19:56, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. I agree with Dmcdevit. The userbox adequately serves the purpose of self-identification. The categories are unneeded and unproductive. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 20:03, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - actually ideologies could help; this is just a grab back of factoids. Cannot aid in collaboration. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 03:20, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians with Acrophobia]] ====
This is a user category used by only one user. Since the concept of height does not exist in an electronic world, it is not relevant to acrophobes' ability or inability to contribute to the encyclopedia. It also serves [[WP:NOT#SOCIALNET|no collaborative purpose]], not in small part due to its broadness. A lot of people have a fear of heights, but there is no reason to assume that they have an inherent propensity or improved ability to edit articles related to [[acrophobia]], except perhaps by recounting their personal experiences (which is not encyclopedic).
*'''Delete''' as nom. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 18:49, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' While there is no reason to assume any specific person in this category has ''"an inherent propensity or improved ability to edit articles related to [[acrophobia]]"'', it is reasonable to assume that some of them do (the same assumption, it seems to me, is fair for any category - no certainties, just possibilities). However, I would not oppose deletion on the basis of a population of less than four users, with no prejudice to recreate if there are more users identifying with this category.--[[User:Ramdrake|Ramdrake]] 18:55, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who don't wish to become administrators]] ====
This category is either pointless or divisive. Interpreted simply as a harmless expression of one's lack of desire to be a sysop, the category is unnecessary as it is possible to express that position through the userbox. I can understand the existence of a category for [[:Category:Wikipedia administrator hopefuls|administrator hopefuls]] seeking advice or nominations, but why would anyone look through a category of people who ''don't'' want to be admins? The userbox may be a quick way of preempting nomination offers, but the category itself has no value. The category can also be interpreted as a divisive statement against the role of admins and/or against administrators themselves.
I think the former (innocent but useless) is the more likely of the two, especially since most (if not all) editors in the category were placed there automatically by a template. However, in either case, I think the category ought to be deleted.
*'''Delete''' as nom. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 18:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as per nom. Another "not" category. ''A pox on all UBX creators who add categories to every creation.'' [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 18:38, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' I honestly can't see any specific encyclopedia-building insight particular to this user cat. Makes a nice userbox, though; just not a proper usercat. :)--[[User:Ramdrake|Ramdrake]] 19:15, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - "not" categories are very rarely collaborative. This is not one of the rare exceptions.
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who would like to learn more languages]] ====
Wikipedia is [[WP:NOT|not]] a [[language school]]. The desire to learn more languages is commendable, but it does not aid encyclopedic collaboration in any way. It does not imply any knowledge of any non-English languages nor does it specify an interest in any particular language. Furthermore, the category is basically redundant to existing low-level (i.e., level 0 or 1) Babel categories.
The subcategories were recently considered for deletion (but not the parent category) and the discussion ended with a decision to "merge" (see [[Wikipedia:User categories for discussion/Archive/May 2007#Category:User ot|here]]). However, I think the main category itself is unnecessary.
*'''Delete''' as nom. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 18:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', as I voted in prior round. It's fine for a userbox, but it's a "not" category, and therefore useless for collaboration. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 17:48, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - we're not a language school, and not knowing something cannot help build an encyclopedia. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 03:22, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
==== Category:Wikipedians who visit countries and child cats ====
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''Delete''' - Parent category was discussed at [[WP:UCFD#Category:Wikipedians who visit countries]] with a decision of delete. The child categories were not nominated, although 2 comments did advocate their deletion as well (no objection was noted), and as a result the parent cat was emptied, but not deleted. After discussion with the closing admin, I've agreed to nominate the children here for clarity. Suggest that the children be deleted now, which should also allow the parent cat to be eliminated completely. [[User:After Midnight|After Midnight]] <sup><small>[[User talk:After Midnight|0001]]</small></sup> 13:26, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
:The categories included in this nomination are:
:[[:Category:Wikipedians who visit countries]]
::[[:Category:Wikipedians who have travelled to France]]
::[[:Category:Wikipedians who have travelled to Greece]]
::[[:Category:Wikipedians who have travelled to Italy]]
::[[:Category:Wikipedians who have travelled to the UK]]
*'''Delete''' perforce, if the parent cat has already been through UCFD and the verdict was delete (unanimous, to boot), this nomination should probably even be speedied. into deletion--[[User:Ramdrake|Ramdrake]] 14:09, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Speedy Delete'''. If the parent isn't worthy, then the subcats cannot be worthy either. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 15:24, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Visiting another country does not suddenly endow people with the ability to contribute encyclopedic content to such articles. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 16:45, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete all''' visiting a country will not help you work with others on articles. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 03:22, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians in wheelchairs]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 08:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' — an abuse of the category system. --[[User:Cyde|<font color="#ff66ff">'''Cyde Weys'''</font>]] 08:24, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no apparent collaborative merit. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 08:37, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - Such Wikipedians can offer specific insight on some handicap-related articles. Alternately, could be merged to some supercategory like "Handicapped Wikipedians".--[[User:Ramdrake|Ramdrake]] 10:55, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' or '''Merge''' per Ramdrake. [[User:Mike R|Mike R]] 15:11, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Weak delete'''. What specific insights? Any insights unsupported by a source are, by definition, [[WP:OR|original research]]. There is <s>no</s> little ''encyclopedic'' collaborative merit to this category. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 16:49, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
**'''Reply''' Insights as to proper wording on subjects dealing with people with disabilities, to give but one example. In any text, ''how'' you say it is as important as ''what'' you say. Also, these people are likely to be more familiar with some research items with regards to disabilities and readaptation - not a certainty, just a likelihood, but in my mind clearly enough to refute the affirmation that there can be '''no''' encyclopedic collaborative merit to this category. Clearly, there is probable reason to believe it can serve some encyclopaedic purpose.--[[User:Ramdrake|Ramdrake]] 17:06, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
***Hmm ... although I doubt that there is much collaborative merit to the category, your argument is convincing enough for me to replace "no" with "too little" and change my "delete" recommendation to "weak delete". To be honest, I don't think anyone would approach another user to say "I see you've noted that you're handicapped; would you like to help with this handicap-related article?" Maybe it's just me, but I don't see it as a likely occurrence. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 19:44, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
****Fair enough. I can see that a non-handicapped person would probably have great misgivings about doing this; a handicapped person might actually find this category useful for that purpose. As I am on the concerned side of this particular category, it didn't occur to me that a non-handicapped person would hesitate using this category.--[[User:Ramdrake|Ramdrake]] 19:55, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who use Zen Nanos or MuVo N200s]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 08:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' or '''Merge'''. Could be useful in finding other Wikipedians to collaborate on articles relating to these devices, but maybe a more broad category, such as "Wikipedians who use Creative MP3 players", would be more useful. [[User:Mike R|Mike R]] 15:13, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Too specific. A broader category is still not an appropriate category, as there is little collaborative potential for the cat. Even a merge with iPod users, portable CD player users, and portable cassette player users to "Wikipedians who use portable music devices" will not create a useful category. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 15:30, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per Horologium. I use a wide variety of electronic devices, but that doesn't mean I know anything about them beyond how to use them. Wikipedia is [[WP:NOT#IINFO|not a how-to guide]]. I certainly do not know about any sources relating to them. I think this category would not be too different from [[:Category:Wikipedians who use toasters]]. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 16:52, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who use Treo]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 08:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''KEEP''' If this category has no collaborative purpose what about [[:Category:Wikipedians who use iPods]]? It has the same relevant information, so it should be deleted too? By the way, the category points to an userbox, that automatically adds everyone who uses it to the category. [[User:Eduemoni|<font color=red>'''E'''</font><small>&</small><font color=red>'''M'''</font>]][[User Talk:Eduemoni|<sup>(<font color=cyan>talk</font>)</sup>]] 14:13, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
**The userbox can be edited so that it no longer automatically categorises users. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 16:54, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. Could be useful in finding other editors to collaborate on topics related to this device. [[User:Mike R|Mike R]] 15:17, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - I use both a Treo and an iPod, but both facts are unencyclopedic and do nothing to further the project. Other editors with these interests could still be located by forming WikiProjects and by looking at whatlinkshere on the userbox transclusions. --[[User:After Midnight|After Midnight]] <sup><small>[[User talk:After Midnight|0001]]</small></sup> 15:59, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per After Midnight. A lot of people use a lot of electronic devices ... that doesn't mean they can or have an interest in writing about them. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 16:54, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as per rationale given in above nomination. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 17:49, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who use Unicode]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 08:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no apparent collaborative merit. I do too - that doesn't mean I'm going to boo with other users who do. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 08:41, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. It may possibly be useful, and causes no harm. [[User:Loom91|Loom91]] 13:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
**Regardless of whether it [[WP:NOHARM|does no harm]], the argument is that it does not foster collaboration. We delete "harmless" pages that are simply inappropriate for an encyclopedia. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 19:56, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Using something does not automatically imply an interest in it or an ability to write on it. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 16:55, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who use wireless connections]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 08:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no apparent collaborative merit. Using a wireless connection is very general, and does not make anyone inclined to work with another user who does so. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 08:41, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom and Haemo. [[User:Mike R|Mike R]] 15:14, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per Haemo. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 16:56, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as per Haemo. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 17:50, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who use Bluetooth technology]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 08:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per arguments for wireless category above. [[User:Mike R|Mike R]] 15:15, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Too general to be useful. Also, editors who use a given technology are not automatically endowed with the ability or desire to edit articles about that technology. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 16:57, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who use personal digital assistants]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 08:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no apparent collaborative merit. Using a PDA does not make anyone more inclined to write about them in an encyclopedic manner. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 08:42, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per my arguments on "Wikipedians who use" categories. In general, use of a device does not automatically give the ability or desire to contribute encyclopedic content about that device. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 16:59, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as per rationale given in [[Wikipedia:User categories for discussion#Category:Wikipedians who use Zen Nanos or MuVo N200s]]. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 17:53, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who listen to Pete Rock]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 08:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. Could be useful in finding other Wikipedians to collaborate on topics related to this artist. [[User:Mike R|Mike R]] 15:18, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
**Compare [[:Category:WikiProject Queen participants]] with [[:Category:Wikipedians who listen to Queen]]. The first one is for collaboration; the second one is for social networking and creating Myspacey home pages. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 19:41, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who listen to Madonna]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 08:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' Could be useful in finding other editors to collaborate on Madonna-related topics. [[User:Mike R|Mike R]] 15:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who dislike High School Musical]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 08:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no apparent collaborative merit. Liking something is rarely collaborative -- disliking it is definitely not. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 08:40, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. "Dislike" categories should go, obviously. [[User:Mike R|Mike R]] 15:19, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Speedy Delete''' Not categories are a not. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 15:41, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per Haemo. This could perhaps be used to collaborate on vandalising the article. <small>Only joking ... please don't get any ideas.</small> -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 17:00, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who play Kya Dark Lineage]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 08:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The two editors currently in the category, [[User:Hotspot]] and [[User:Lanky]] are both aware of each other and both are currently active on the [[Kya: Dark Lineage]] article. I do not know what role, if any, the category played in their collaboration, but I ''do'' think that this fact is relevant to this discussion. Perhaps the "collaborative potential" of the category has already been exhausted; perhaps it served no such purpose in the first place. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 19:32, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''- How dare you try to get rid of it, its not a category for an article, its for wikipedias who like kya dark lineage, there are other categories just like this and they aren't in question for deletion!!! it will grow you know, i made this category becuase i love kya dark lineage and i want to know who else plays it! and why does it say myspace in the beginning? i hate myspace i would never go there!-[[user:hotspot|hotspot]]
==== [[:Category:Ovo-lacto Vegetarian Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 08:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no apparent collaborative merit. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 08:40, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' into more broad vegetarian category. A vegetarian category would be useful for someone trying to find other editors to collaborate on topics related to vegetarianism, vegetarian cuisine, etc. [[User:Mike R|Mike R]] 15:23, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom and Haemo. The category contains only one user (the other two pages are the userbox and a WP page) who is ''already'' classified in [[:Category:Vegetarian Wikipedians]]. Thus, a merge is not necessary. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 17:06, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as per Black Falcon. Would have supported a merge if the larger cat was not all-inclusive. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 18:40, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who listen to the Police]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 08:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. Could be useful in finding other Wikipedians to collaborate on topics related to this band. [[User:Mike R|Mike R]] 15:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who drink alcohol]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 08:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no apparent collaborative merit. Drinking alcohol is exceedingly general and will not lead anyone to work together. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 08:39, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom and Haemo. [[User:Mike R|Mike R]] 15:20, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Drinking alcohol does not give the ability to contribute ''encyclopedic'' content to articles about alcohol. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 16:47, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' and take out its mirror image [[:Category:Wikipedian Teetotalers]] at the same time. We don't need either cat. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 19:16, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who play White Wolf Games]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 08:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' Could be useful in finding other Wikipedians to collaborate on topics related to these games. [[User:Mike R|Mike R]] 15:24, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
**Are White Wolf games really that specific (or a unique genre) to justify such an argument? I'm not challenging your recommendation, but am genuinely curious. For instance, I would not find this argument convincing if it was [[:Category:Wikipedians who play football]] or [[:Category:Wikipedians who play cards]]. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 17:04, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who can solve a Rubik's Cube]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 08:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no apparent collaborative merit. So what? --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 08:38, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom and Haemo. [[User:Mike R|Mike R]] 15:25, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. "So what?" about sums it up. It's a neat ability to have, but it has no relevance to the encyclopedia. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 16:44, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Submissive Wikipedians]] ====
Wikipedia is [[WP:NOT#SOCIALNET|not a social networking site]]. Per [[WP:NOT#SOCIALNET|current policy]], non-article pages should be targeted toward the organisation or improvement of articles or to the provision of "a foundation for effective collaboration". User categories are appropriate only if they further collaboration; this one does not.
*'''Delete''' as nom. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 07:16, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*Agreed, this has no collaborative potential. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 08:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' — an abuse of the category system. --[[User:Cyde|<font color="#ff66ff">'''Cyde Weys'''</font>]] 08:24, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no apparent collaborative merit. I can only see one use for this and... uh... yeah. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 08:38, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. I was going to stay out of these, but, wow, there's only ''one user'' in this category. No reason he needs an entire cat to identify this preference on his userpage. [[User:Ergot|ergot]] 15:01, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' There are actually 14 people who have the userbox, but 13 of them have the usercat transcluded. Not sure what happened there... I'm not going to !vote on this one, because it ties into some areas where my personal biases are relevant. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 21:19, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
=== June 21 ===
==== [[:Category:Hippy Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 00:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete per nom''', Dmcdevit is absolutely correct in the lack of collaborative purpose for this category. <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">00:45, 22 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
*'''Delete''' - no collaborative merit. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 01:23, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. This doesn't help collaboration at all—<font color='red'>[[User:Arf!|arf!]]</font> 01:40, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. No collaborative merit. A hippie without access to sources can contribute less than a non-hippie with access to sources. The identity itself makes no difference. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 01:46, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. No linked article, feels very MySpacey. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 02:41, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Paradoxical Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 00:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete per nom''', Dmcdevit is absolutely correct in the lack of collaborative purpose for this category. <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">00:45, 22 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
*'''Delete'''. An interesting category and self-identification, but it holds no collaborative potential. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 01:01, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no collaborative merit. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 01:23, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', no collaborative value, not linked to an article. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 02:40, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Nocturnal Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 00:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete per nom''', Dmcdevit is absolutely correct in the lack of collaborative purpose for this category. <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">00:45, 22 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
*'''Delete''' - no collaborative merit, though I could definitely qualify. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 01:24, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Schizophrenic Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 00:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete per nom''', Dmcdevit is absolutely correct in the lack of collaborative purpose for this category. <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">00:45, 22 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
*'''Delete''' - no collaborative merit; having a medical condition does not lead to any sort of expertise on it. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 01:24, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. No collaborative merit; also, the category contains only one member. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 01:47, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' no collaborative merit—<font color='red'>[[User:Arf!|arf!]]</font> 01:50, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who play StarCraft]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 00:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete per nom''', Dmcdevit is absolutely correct in the lack of collaborative purpose for this category. <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">00:45, 22 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
*'''Delete''' - no collaborative merit. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 01:24, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. Could be useful in finding other editors to collaborate on topics related to this game. [[User:Mike R|Mike R]] 15:26, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - if collaboration is needed this could be done through a WikiProject. Also, only the category would be removed, not the userbox - so whatlinkshere for the transclusions will still be available. --[[User:After Midnight|After Midnight]] <sup><small>[[User talk:After Midnight|0001]]</small></sup> 15:55, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Protoss Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 00:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete per nom''', Dmcdevit is absolutely correct in the lack of collaborative purpose for this category. <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">00:45, 22 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
*'''Delete''' - no collaborative merit at all. It doesn't even make sense. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 01:25, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' but I will reconsider if anyone proves they belong to this particular species. :)--[[User:Ramdrake|Ramdrake]] 02:59, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': this category is a sub of "Wikipedians who play Starcraft". Still, I see no redeeming value.--[[User:Ramdrake|Ramdrake]] 15:30, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Terran Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 00:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete per nom''', Dmcdevit is absolutely correct in the lack of collaborative purpose for this category. <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">00:45, 22 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
*'''Delete''' - no collaborative merit. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 01:25, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', but I'll reconsider if someone manages to prove they don't belong in this category. :)--[[User:Ramdrake|Ramdrake]] 02:55, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Pointless, all-inclusive category. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 03:04, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as pointless. [[User:Mike R|Mike R]] 15:26, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': this category is a sub of "Wikipedians who play Starcraft". Still, I see no redeeming value.--[[User:Ramdrake|Ramdrake]] 15:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Zerg Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 00:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete per nom''', Dmcdevit is absolutely correct in the lack of collaborative purpose for this category. <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">00:45, 22 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
*'''Delete''' - no collaborative merit. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 01:25, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - doesn't help collaboration at all, and feels a little myspacey—<font color='red'>[[User:Arf!|arf!]]</font> 03:01, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': this category is a sub of "Wikipedians who play Starcraft". Still, I see no redeeming value.--[[User:Ramdrake|Ramdrake]] 15:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Permawake Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 00:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete per nom''', Dmcdevit is absolutely correct in the lack of collaborative purpose for this category. <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">00:45, 22 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
*'''Delete''' - no collaborative merit. I'll bet insomnia is another user category --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 01:26, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Wikipedian homebrewers]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 00:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete per nom''', Dmcdevit is absolutely correct in the lack of collaborative purpose for this category. <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">00:45, 22 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
*'''Weak Delete''' - does not appear to have collaborative merit, but change my mind! --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 01:26, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Weak Keep''' This one, unlike most of the others, actually has some potential for collaboration. In fact, the article to which it is linked is currently tagged as being America-centric. Someone interested in improving that article could look for someone elsewhere (Germany, Belgium and Australia pop into my head immediately) and see if they are willing to work on expanding the article. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 02:36, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. I really don't understand why editors insist on wasting their time trying to delete userboxes when there is so much constructive work to be done in the encyclopedia. This catagory obviously has significant potential to aid in collaborations. [[User:Loom91|Loom91]] 13:25, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. Obvious collaborative purpose. [[User:Mike R|Mike R]] 15:08, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Weak keep''' per Horologium. To me, this seems to be more of a "by profession" category. I don't see "obvious" or "significant" potential to aid collaboration, but I think a case could be made. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 20:16, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Dyslexic Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 00:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete per nom''', Dmcdevit is absolutely correct in the lack of collaborative purpose for this category. <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">00:45, 22 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
*'''Delete''' - no collaborative merit. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 01:26, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. It could be useful to know when a Wikipedian is dyslexic. [[User:Mike R|Mike R]] 15:07, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
**Sure it could be useful, but how could it be useful to an encyclopedia? [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 04:44, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Weak delete'''. I agree that it could be useful to know when an editor is dyslexic, but that purpose is filled by the userbox. I'm having a hard time thinking of a use for the category itself. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 20:14, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Weak keep''' while the userbox would also be useful, I would point out some people seem allergic to them out of principle. Having an alternate way of tagging those who want to tag themselves in this way would make sense.--[[User:Ramdrake|Ramdrake]] 20:20, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
**Of what benefit to the project is tagging oneself as dyslexic? [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 04:44, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Nominalist Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 00:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete per nom''', Dmcdevit is absolutely correct in the lack of collaborative purpose for this category. <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">00:45, 22 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
*'''Delete''' - no collaborative merit; I'm not sure how this could be used for anything. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 01:27, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. There is no way you can get a group of nominalists to agree on anything other than the name. (grin) [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 02:38, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Pacifist Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 00:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete per nom''', Dmcdevit is absolutely correct in the lack of collaborative purpose for this category. <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">00:45, 22 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
*'''Delete'''. The category itself has little or no collaborative merit. Any potential for collaboration is already realised through [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history|WikiProject Military history]]. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 20:11, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Metalhead Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 00:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete per nom''', Dmcdevit is absolutely correct in the lack of collaborative purpose for this category. <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">00:45, 22 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
*'''Delete''' - no collaborative merit; liking something does not make one likely to contribute to it. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 01:28, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' into [[:Category:Wikipedians who listen to heavy metal]]. I am, of course, assuming that people affiliating "with the culture of heavy metal music" list to heavy metal. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 20:07, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Omnitheist Wikipedians]] ====
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE]]. This category serves no collaborative purpose. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 00:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete per nom''', Dmcdevit is absolutely correct in the lack of collaborative purpose for this category. <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">00:45, 22 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
*'''Delete''', given that the article [[Omnitheism]] was deleted at a recent [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Omnitheism|AfD discussion]]. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 01:15, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' no article=no category. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 02:39, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Single Wikipedians]] ====
:{{lc|Single Wikipedians}}
This nomination also includes: {{lc|Married Wikipedians}}
Per [[WP:NOT#SOCIALNET|current policy]], all non-article pages should be targeted toward the organisation or improvement of articles or to the provision of "a foundation for effective collaboration". Pages in userspace are (rightly) given significant leeway on this matter, but these pages are in the category namespace. These categories are so broad as to render them useless for the purpose of furthering collaboration. There is no subject that single people can inherently contribute about that married people can't, and vice versa.
Both articles were nominated for deletion in June 2006; the nominations were closed as "no consensus": see [[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 June 4#Category:Single Wikipedians|here]] and [[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 June 7#Category:Married Wikipedians|here]].
Note: Most of the users in these categories are there because they use one of at least six userboxes. ''The userboxes are NOT the subject of this deletion nomination.''
*'''Delete''' as nom. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 22:45, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' unless and until someone can show me an article or two on which single people would have a better insight than non-single people (whatever their status maybe).--[[User:Ramdrake|Ramdrake]] 22:54, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no collaborative merit. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 00:05, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', as per Ramdrake. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 02:45, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Thin Wikipedians]] ====
Wikipedia is [[WP:NOT#SOCIALNET|not a social networking site]]. A person's weight has little or no relevance to his or her ability to edit, editing interests, or editing strengths. So, this category does not provide "a foundation for effective collaboration" and thus violates the "[[WP:NOT#BLOG|Wikipedia is not a blog, webspace provider, or social networking site]]" provision of [[WP:NOT]].
*'''Delete''' as nom. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 22:06, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Weak keep''', as I can conceive that some people in this category might contribute on articles such as [[anorexia]], [[amenorrhea]], even though that's far from a given.--[[User:Ramdrake|Ramdrake]] 22:56, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Weak Delete''' -I'd actually rather not even suggest a possible correlation between 'thin wikipedians' and anorexia. As a side note, 'Wikipedians interested in eating disorders' probably ''could'' make a decent category. But I don't see any potential use for this one. [[User:Bladestorm|Bladestorm]] 23:07, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. How thin is thin? It can't be conclusively defined because it's subjective. '''''[[User:Bibliomaniac15|<font color="black">bibliomaniac</font>]][[User talk:Bibliomaniac15|<font color="red">1</font><font color="blue">5</font>]]''''' <sup>[[User:Bibliomaniac15/Enlarge your edit count|BUY NOW!]]</sup> 00:02, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - I cannot think that "thin" is at all a property which would aid in collaboration. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 00:06, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' [[WP:NOT#SOCIALNET|social networking sites]] are a great place to put how ''thin'' you are! --[[User:Hdt83|<sub><font color="336611" ><b>Hdt83</b></font></sub>]] [[User talk:Hdt83|<sup><font color="blue" face="Arial"><b>Chat</b></font></sup>]] 01:03, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - This one surely doesn't assist collaboration at all...—<font color='red'>[[User:Arf!|arf!]]</font> 01:45, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== [[:Category:Myopic Wikipedians]] ====
:The category does not conceivably facilitate cooperation. I can only see it helping [[nearsightedness]], but even that's suspect (just because I wear glasses doesn't mean I can contribute effectively to the article).
:'''Delete''' as nom. '''[[User:Blast_san|<font color=#DE0000>Bl</font>]][[User_talk:Blast_san|<font color=#FCD116>a</font>]][[User:Blast_san|<font color=#DE0000>st</font>]]''' <sup><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User:Blast san/improvement|improve me]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></sup> <small> 21.06.07 2139 (UTC)</small>
*'''Keep''' thanks, a new category for my page! It'll help me bond with other myopics! -[[User:N|N]] 22:04, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
**Please note that Wikipedia is [[WP:NOT#SOCIALNET|not a social networking site]]. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 22:07, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. The category provides no potential for encyclopedic collaboration and is thus in violation of [[WP:NOT|current policy]]. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 22:07, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
**'''Neutral''' although I'm sure people would be quick to call me near-sighted if I voted this way or that. (Sorry, just had to!).--[[User:Ramdrake|Ramdrake]] 22:52, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no apparent collaborative merit. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 00:07, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' — an abuse of the category system. --[[User:Cyde|<font color="#ff66ff">'''Cyde Weys'''</font>]] 08:20, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
=== June 20 ===
====[[:Category:User Shona]]====
:'''''Merge''' into [[:Category:User sn]], convention of [[:Category:Wikipedians by language]], see [[List of ISO 639-1 codes]].'' -- <i>[[User:ProveIt|Prove It]] <sup>[[User talk:ProveIt|(talk)]]</sup></i> 21:16, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:'''Merge''' as per nom. Non-ISO cats should be merged or deleted whenever possible. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 22:12, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
====[[:Category:User Ndebele]]====
:{{lc|User Ndebele}}
:'''''Merge''' into [[:Category:User nd]], convention of [[:Category:Wikipedians by language]], see [[List of ISO 639-1 codes]]'' -- <i>[[User:ProveIt|Prove It]] <sup>[[User talk:ProveIt|(talk)]]</sup></i> 21:00, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' as per nom. Non-ISO categories should be merged or deleted whenever possible. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 22:13, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
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The result was '''speedy delete'''. Bad idea. — [[User talk:Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington|<font color="black">Nearly Headless Nick</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington|<font color="black" title="Contributions"><sup>'''{C}'''</sup></font>]] 18:30, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
====[[:Category:Wikipedians born in 1992]]====
:'''''Delete''', This has been created and killed several times now.'' -- <i>[[User:ProveIt|Prove It]] <sup>[[User talk:ProveIt|(talk)]]</sup></i> 20:35, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per [[Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_February_11]] --[[User:After Midnight|After Midnight]] <sup><small>[[User talk:After Midnight|0001]]</small></sup> 20:45, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per above DRV log—<font color='red'>[[User:Arf!|arf!]]</font> 00:35, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Gasp, Amarkov is the same age as I am? '''''[[User:Bibliomaniac15|<font color="black">bibliomaniac</font>]][[User talk:Bibliomaniac15|<font color="red">1</font><font color="blue">5</font>]]''''' <sup>[[User:Bibliomaniac15/Enlarge your edit count|BUY NOW!]]</sup> 18:18, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
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The result was '''speedy delete'''. Bad idea. — [[User talk:Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington|<font color="black">Nearly Headless Nick</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington|<font color="black" title="Contributions"><sup>'''{C}'''</sup></font>]] 18:30, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
====[[:Category:Wikipedians born in 1991]]====
:'''''Delete''', This has been created and killed several times now.'' -- <i>[[User:ProveIt|Prove It]] <sup>[[User talk:ProveIt|(talk)]]</sup></i> 20:35, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
*Prefer '''Delete''', but if necessary, merge to [[:Category:Wikipedians in their teens]]. --[[User:After Midnight|After Midnight]] <sup><small>[[User talk:After Midnight|0001]]</small></sup> 20:50, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - this category does not serve to develop WP in any way—<font color='red'>[[User:Arf!|arf!]]</font> 01:22, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
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=== June 19 ===
==== Category:Socks of Icewedge ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''Speedy Delete''' - per author, below. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 07:43, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:[[:Category:Socks of Icewedge]] - Presumably an eponymous, vanity category. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 02:45, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - as nominator. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 02:45, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Confused speedy delete''' - I am in a bit of a fuddle here. It is true I placed <code><nowiki>"[[Category:Socks of Icewedge]]"</nowiki></code> on the pages of all accounts I have ever created in an attempt to show their non abuse nature but it was not me ''that created the actual category'' it was the nominator [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Socks_of_Icewedge&action=history]. I see two possible courses of action he could have taken instead: 1. Leave it be, having a link to a page does not make it exist, or 2. he could have removed the category links since he seems to find them offending. Regardless delete it I do not want it. -[[User:Icewedge|''Ĭ'''''₠'''ŴΣĐ''ĝё'']] 04:00, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
*:Responded to your confusion on [[User talk:Icewedge|your talk page]]. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 07:43, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
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===June 18===
==== Category:Dadaist Wikipedians ====
:''Relisted due to: not enough contributors to qualify for speedy closing per [[WP:SNOW]]. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 00:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC)''
*[[:Category:Dadaist Wikipedians]]
*'''Comment''' - listing for discussion. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 08:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
<del>*'''Delete'''. Empty cat created from rename after another CFD on [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_September_2|2 September 2006]].</del> <u>See above.</u> [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 17:35, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' – This affiliation can be expressed via a userbox. There is no need for a category, as it does nothing to further collaboration. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 20:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
<s>*'''Delete.''' Empty.<s>No opinion on this one.--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 01:22, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*For maintenance purposes, the userboxes found are {{tl|User dada}} and {{tlu|User:Lewiscode/Userboxes/User Dada-1}} with 2 transclusions total. The category is empty because it was [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Lewiscode/Userboxes/User_Dada-1&diff=133289397&oldid=75330464 removed] from the userbox and the userboxes are not transcluded apart from their creators because they did not make it known. –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 12:08, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
* Delete. What is crap doing on Wikipedia? --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 23:04, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no apparent collaborative merit. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 07:22, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' and end the madness. <b>[[User Talk:JzG|Guy]]</b> <small>([[User:JzG/help|Help!]])</small> 10:20, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' There are 81 articles in [[:Category:Dada]] for potential collaboration, and since they are mostly people articles, it's important that we have at least some sort of maintenance on them. I don't think the movement is so controversial nowadays that it will create conflict with other types of Wikipedians. –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 19:41, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:*'''Comment''' isn't that what we have WikiProjects for? That would seem to me to be a better way to organize users to maintain these articles. --[[User:After Midnight|After Midnight]] <sup><small>[[User talk:After Midnight|0001]]</small></sup> 20:27, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
::*So when you start a WikiProject, how are you going to find people to invite? Going through talk pages and histories for non-trivial edits is tedious, and complements this method. What's the point of user categories anyway? –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 21:16, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' — an abuse of the category system. --[[User:Cyde|<font color="#ff66ff">'''Cyde Weys'''</font>]] 08:20, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' per Pomte. [[User:Mike R|Mike R]] 15:29, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== Category:Transformation Fetishist Wikipedians ====
:''Relisted due to: not enough contributors to qualify for speedy closing per [[WP:SNOW]]. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 00:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC)''
*[[:Category:Transformation Fetishist Wikipedians]]
*'''Comment''' - listing for discussion. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 08:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. <del>Unpopulated category,</del> no article link. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 18:52, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' – This affiliation can be expressed via a userbox. There is no need for a category, as it does nothing to further collaboration. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 20:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
* Delete. What is crap doing on Wikipedia? --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 23:04, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no collaborative merit. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 07:22, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' and end the madness. <b>[[User Talk:JzG|Guy]]</b> <small>([[User:JzG/help|Help!]])</small> 10:21, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' with [[:Category:Wikipedians with a transformation fetish]], [[:Category:Kinky Wikipedians]], and all other such categories to [[:Category:Wikipedians with sexual fetishism]]. Consider the {{tl|underconstruction}} history of [[List of fetishes]], which needed contributors interested enough in the subject to research on it. This is a first step in collaboration before the establishment of a WikiProject or task force. A parallel is [[:Category:LGBT Wikipedians]] and the strongly populated [[Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies|WikiProject LGBT studies]].–[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 19:53, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
'''Delete''' this as well as [[:Category:Wikipedians with a transformation fetish]] and [[:Category:Kinky Wikipedians]]. --[[User:After Midnight|After Midnight]] <sup><small>[[User talk:After Midnight|0001]]</small></sup> 20:51, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - I wouldn't mind a less specific category for Wikipedians interested sexual fetishism topics in the future though. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 04:19, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==== Category:BBW Wikipedians ====
:''Relisted due to: not enough contributors to qualify for speedy closing per [[WP:SNOW]]. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 00:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC)''
*[[:Category:BBW Wikipedians]]
*'''Comment''' - listing for discussion. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 08:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
<del>*'''Delete''' Unpopulated category.</del> <u>See above.</u> [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 17:35, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' – This affiliation can be expressed via a userbox. There is no need for a category, as it does nothing to further collaboration. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 20:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
* Delete. What is crap doing on Wikipedia? --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 23:04, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no collaborative merit. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 07:21, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' and end the madness. <b>[[User Talk:JzG|Guy]]</b> <small>([[User:JzG/help|Help!]])</small> 10:21, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Already deleted''' and let it stay that way. Being a BBW is neither here nor there. [[User:YechielMan|Yechiel]][[User talk:YechielMan|<span style="color:green">Man</span>]] 08:42, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Speedy delete''' - Unlike the majority of the categories that were speedied and restored, this one was originally empty, and as such was a valid speedy and should have never even been brought back here. On the other hand, bringing this here will establish precedent to speedy it if ever recreated. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 04:19, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
====[[:Category:Wikipedians who play practical jokes]]====
This category does not provide a foundation for constructive collaboration and thus violates the "[[WP:NOT#SOCIALNET|Wikipedia is not a blog, webspace provider, or social networking site]]" provision of [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not]]. The only basis for collaboration that it provides is the playing of practical jokes, which hardly serves an encyclopedic end. In short, the user category presents no benefits and may instead be harmful. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 00:08, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as nom. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 00:08, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Little or no collaborative potential. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 03:49, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Weak delete'''. I would argue against the thought that it doesn't provide a foundation for constructive collaboration, but it may be harmful. '''''[[User:Bibliomaniac15|<font color="black">bibliomaniac</font>]][[User talk:Bibliomaniac15|<font color="red">1</font><font color="blue">5</font>]]''''' <sup>[[User:Bibliomaniac15/Enlarge your edit count|BUY NOW!]]</sup> 04:35, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - I can't see any collaborative merit here. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 06:24, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - this clearly doesn't serve to further the development of WP—<font color='red'>[[User:Arf!|arf!]]</font> 08:44, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' and end the madness. I can't even be bothered to make a joke here. <b>[[User Talk:JzG|Guy]]</b> <small>([[User:JzG/help|Help!]])</small> 10:21, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Weak Delete''' Jokes are okay to a certain degree but having a category entirely dedicated to joking dosen't really help out the encyclopedia. --[[User:Hdt83|<sub><font color="336611" ><b>Hdt83</b></font></sub>]] [[User talk:Hdt83|<sup><font color="blue" face="Arial"><b>Chat</b></font></sup>]] 05:27, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - Does not facilitate collaboration. Was originally intended for those that have the idiotic fake "You have new messages" bar, but luckily those have been deleted. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 04:19, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
===June 16===
====[[:Category:Wikipedians by religion]]====
This nomination includes [[:Category:Wikipedians by religion]] and its approximately 150 subcategories.
[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE|Wikipedia is not MySpace.]] Any page that is not an article should either further the organisation or improvement of articles or "provide a foundation for effective collaboration". In short, all pages should be targeted toward the idea that [[WP:ENC|Wikipedia is an encyclopedia]]. Any page that is not may be deleted. Of course, the criteria above are and should be interpreted rather loosely as Wikipedia's editors are volunteers and not employees.
Many user categories meet the criteria outlined above. For instance, [[:Category:Wikipedians by access to sources and references]] and [[:Category:Wikipedians by language]] aid article improvement via sourcing and translation, respectively. [[:Category:Wikipedians by religion]] and its approximately 150 subcategories do not. The categories group users by religion, often because a user added one or another userbox to their userpage. However, grouping users by religious identification does not in any way aid article improvement, since identifying with a religious philosophy does not necessarily mean that one has an interest in it. Users can express their religious views via a userbox without having to be classified into a category.
To empty the categories, one would need to:
#Edit all religion userboxes so that they no longer categorise pages on which they are transcluded, and
#Edit any userpages that were categorised manually (i.e., not by a userbox) and remove the categorisation (either manually or by a bot) to discourage recreation of the categories.
Please note that '''I am not advocating the deletion of religion userboxes''' (per my point about volunteers versus employees). Removing a userbox from someone's userpage is quite invasive and may irritate a lot of people; removing their userpage from a category is a minor edit that may even go unnoticed. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 19:22, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as nom. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 19:26, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
* Obviously these stupid things should go. They have no encyclopedic purpose and their only uses are to abuse Wikipedia. --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 19:27, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Remove from userboxes'''-People who ''do'' manually add the category ''are'' doing it for a reason. Lumping that together with accidentally categorization is inappropriate. And tony, please try to AGF. Making such (clearly unprovable) accusations is '''absolutely unacceptable''' [[User:Bladestorm|Bladestorm]] 19:36, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*: By AGF I assume you mean "assume good faith", and the following response is written upon that presumption:
*:: I hold that the only use for these categories is to abuse Wikipedia, and yes I can substantiate that they have been used for the purpose. This isn't to say that those who put them into their user pages intend them to be abused, but that is their only possible use. If you're of a particular religious persuasion, and you think it's in any way relevant to your editing of Wikipedia, you should of course write that fact into your user page. You don't need a category for that. A category is required, however to make abusing Wikipedia easy. This is why we must delete them. --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 22:59, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
**::Tony, you've made an allegation here and I challenge you to support it. First, how does putting oneself in this category cause anything to be abused--what exact abuse do you have in mind? Second, you claim it has occurred. Prove it. '''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' 00:22, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
*:::You're right that I meant 'assume good faith'. (I don't know why I keep using acronyms. I bloody hate it when ''other'' people do it) But it's absurd to say that abuse is the only possible use. What's more, it's an accusation against everyone who lists themselves by religion (incidentally, I am ''not'' listed. So this isn't just me taking it personally). But there are countless reasons that it ''could'' be useful. The first one that comes to me off the top of my head is the 'Kosher foods' article. The article mentions that hares are not kosher. This is true. However, it's outright wrong in that it states that hares chew their cud, but don't have cloven hooves. Now, that ''is'' the supplied reason in leviticus. However, it isn't true. Hares don't chew their cud. So, what do you do? Obviously they still aren't kosher. Obviously it wouldn't be appropriate to just start editing the article to start criticizing leviticus. ''Some'' sort of rewording needs to be worked out that retains the fact that hares aren't kosher, but that doesn't make it look like ''Wikipedia'' is asserting that hares chew their cud. There are a couple possible ways to do it, but I'd rather let someone a bit closer to the subject choose the most sensitive alternative. Is this necessary? Of course not. But it seems more cooperative. That means having an article that neither supports a religious view, nor mocks it. As it stands, there's at least one editor involved in the conversation that's either jewish or interested in jewish topics (I don't know which; nor does it matter to me), so there isn't a problem. However, if that weren't the case, then being able to find a jewish editor could actually be a very valuable resource. Even if you disagree, you would surely have to concede that it wouldn't be ''abuse''. [[User:Bladestorm|Bladestorm]] 14:33, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete all''' - I tend to agree with this. Just because someone belongs to x religion, it does not mean they are more likely to collaborate on articles relating to that religion. Such people can create or join existing "Wikipedians interested in religion x" categories if that is the case. User categories are used to seek out others in the category, and I don't see what encyclopedic use there would be to seek out users in these categories that "Wikipedians interested in religion x" categories wouldn't accomplish better. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 19:46, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''- Wikipedia is, in reality, attempting to create a collaborative encyclopedia by "mail". The fact that the users are required to reach a consensus without seeing or talking to another person is inherently difficult. Any information which an editor wishes to impart about him/herself in order to enhance dialogue should be actively encouraged. It is human nature to build upon a dialogue from common reference points. Any information that might speed this process is beneficial to wikipedia as a whole. [[User:Prester John|Prester John]] 20:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
** I agree with your comment that any information an editor wishes to impart is beneficial; I disagree, however, that the category is necessary to do that. The userbox or a note on his or her user page is necessary; those will remain unaffected. --[[User talk:Iamunknown|Iamunknown]] 20:28, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
***While that's a valid POV, if it's your opinion, that argument applies to ''all Wikipedian categories''. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 09:23, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
**** No it does not. I think that some information is indeed beneficial to categorize: access to sources, language skills, programming skills; information that can improve Wikipedia is then easily accesible ... but religious affiliation is not one such piece of information. --[[User talk:Iamunknown|Iamunknown]] 18:48, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
***** Then, please explain to me why/how categorizing by language is a valid category for encyclopedia-building while grouping by religion can't be. I honestly don't understand; from where I sit, it ''sounds'' like a personal POV.--[[User:Ramdrake|Ramdrake]] 18:52, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
****** The ability to speak a language implies knowledge of that language. This knowledge can be put to use to translate articles and/or sources. Identification with a religion does not carry with it a similar usable knowledge of that religion, at least to the degree that one could contribute constructively to an encyclopedia (i.e., no [[WP:OR|original research]]). Knowledge of a language implies knowledge of a tool. Identification with a religion, as with most other types of personal identification, does not imply any sort of improved ability to edit a particular class of articles. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 22:54, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
******* Actually, the knowledge involved in the ability to speak a language is entirely subconscious in the case of one's native language and usually imperfect in the case of a language learned later in life. As such, someone who identifies himself as a speaker of a certain language cannot be assumed to be able to access that knowledge in such a way that contributes to the encyclopedia. The language categories are actually just as useless to the encyclopedia project as the religion and political-persuasion categories are, but as the deletion discussion above (and its DRV) shows, I seem to be the only person who realizes that. The language categories are so ''popular'' that people have convinced themselves that they are ''useful'' as well. —[[Special:Random|Angr]] 07:35, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - Since none of the subcats are tagged, they won't be deleted as a result of this discussion. Part of why we tag pages is so that editors who may be interested in a discussion are notified of that discussion. I, or any other admin, I am sure, would be happy to relist this discussion, if someone would like to tag all the sub-cats for a group nom. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 09:23, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
**I'll go ahead and start tagging the pages and will relist the discussion when I finish. Since there is an agreement on this page that admins "may close discussions to which they have contributed", I'll also volunteer myself to work on emptying the categories and subsequently deleting them (assuming, of course, the discussion ends with a consensus to delete). <s>I ''do'' have one question though: When listing categories in the "Empty and delete" section of [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Working/User]], should one list each subcategory individually or only list the parent category? I believe it's the former, but I want to make sure.</s> -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 18:32, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
***Never mind. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 18:40, 16 June 2007 (UTC)ex
*'''Strong Keep''' The reasoning here is extremely similar to that for [[:Category:Wikipedians by language]]. While sorting oneself in a given category does '''not''' mean one is interested in collaborating to articles about the specific faith the category represents, it is indicative that one may be interested or at least knowledgeable in that particular denomination. User categories are those that may help build an encyclopedia; no guarantees of interest should be required or given (these people are volunteers, not employees one can assign). If we are to apply this logic evenly, '''ALL''' categories save ''Wikipedians' interested in X'' should then be deleted. Anything short of it would be unfair to some categories of users.--[[User:Ramdrake|Ramdrake]] 18:43, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
**What you've stated could also be true of professional categories and the like. However, being a member of a religion does not mean one is able to contribute encyclopedic information about it. Please keep in mind that first-hand knowledge (i.e., [[WP:OR|original research]]) does not constitute a valid source for contributions. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 19:11, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
***Being a member of a religion means that one '''may''' be able to contribute encyclopedic knowledge, it's not a guarantee, but then the same goes for professional categories: being a member of one doesn't mean one is able to contribute encyclopedically; it merely means one ''might be able to''.--[[User:Ramdrake|Ramdrake]] 21:08, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
****Encyclopedic knowledge is that which is sourced by secondary sources. Being a member of a religion does not imply any sort of knowledge about such sources (being a religious leader, on the other hand, ''does''). On the other hand, someone who is a biologist has likely studied about biology and is likely aware of and/or has access to sources on the subject. In any case, the validity of professional categories (which can be disputed) [[WP:WAX|does not directly affect]] the validity of religous categories. Also, professional categories do not have nearly as much capacity to be divisive as religious categories. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 22:58, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Relisted per jc37's comments above. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 19:12, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' they're all perfectly valid. A religion category is no less important that one on sexuality or political involvement. There's no need to get rid of them. [[User:GreenJoe|GreenJoe]] 19:53, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
**'''Comment''' The political categories were nuked earlier this month, and if you scroll down the page you will see a CfD on gender (not quite the same as sexuality, but similar in terms of conception and scope.) [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 20:04, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
**GreenJoe, I agree that they are not less important than ones on sex and politics, but the question is: what is the purpose of having them? Users can express their religious and political views via userboxes without being placed in any category. The categories do nothing to advance the interests of the project. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 20:33, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Per GreenJoe. -- <span style="font-family:Old English Text MT; font-size:15px">[[User:P.B. Pilhet|<font color="#000080">P.B. Pilhet</font>]]</span> 21:28, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
**Then I will ask you the same thing I asked GreenJoe: what purpose do the categories serve? Users can express their religious views without being lumped into one of circa 150 divisive categories. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 21:56, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
**I believe that I already gave the answer to that one: it is useful as it indicates one may be able to contribute encyclopedically about a particular faith (no guarantees are given, any more than separating people by language or professional occupation). And I don't see how these categories are any more divisive than those about language; they are part and parcel of one's identity, that's all; the vast majority of the world has passed the age of religion wars. Can we discuss these arguments?--[[User:Ramdrake|Ramdrake]] 22:03, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
***I've responded to the first part of your comment above (in two separate posts), so I will only address the last part here. Religion is far more divisive than language. A person can speak multiple languages, but can have only one religious affiliation. Also, linguistic differences are not nearly as charged as religious differences, since the latter touches on moral issues and issues of faith. The vast majority of the world is ''not'' immune from religious conflict and tension. One need only think of current or recent violence and tension in places like India (Hindu-Muslim), Indonesia (Christian-Muslim), Iraq (Shia-Sunni), Lebanon (Christian-Muslim), Nigeria (Christian-Muslim), Northern Ireland (Catholic Protestant), Sri Lanka (Buddhist-Hindu), and so on, to see that religion is still a salient dimension of division and conflict. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 23:13, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*Bloody hell with it. I'd say '''keep; facilitates collaboration; makes no advocation of view''' but someone would invariably say 'well show me; ''you'' haven't been doing much with it'. So fuck it. While we're at it, why don't we delete every other user category and replace them with WikiProjects? '''[[User:Blast_san|<font color=#DE0000>Bl</font>]][[User_talk:Blast_san|<font color=#FCD116>a</font>]][[User:Blast_san|<font color=#DE0000>st</font>]]''' <sup><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User:Blast san/improvement|improve me]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></sup> <small> 16.06.07 2316 (UTC)</small>
**I honestly don't understand the hostility in your comment? Have I nominated every other user category for deletion? No. Do I intend to? Certainly not! In fact, I've stated above that there are plenty of user categories that ''are'' definitely (Wikipedians by access to sources, by interest, by Wikiproject, by technical knowledge, by language, by profession) or most probably (by ___location, by education, by condition) useful. I have nominated ''this'' category for deletion because I think ''it'' is (a) useless and (b) divisive. It seems you disagree. I have laid out my arguments so perhaps you would do the same? ''How'' does it facilitate collaboration? How does it ''not'' advocate a particular (and potentially divisive) view? -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 23:26, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*** I'm hostile because the discussions that I've witnessed invariably devolve into the same stuff, and to be honest, I expected no less here. That last half-question was, in fact, my current opinion on user categories: I ''want'' them gone, if only so we don't have to deal with this any longer; I won't defend this category, although I might have earlier. '''[[User:Blast_san|<font color=#DE0000>Bl</font>]][[User_talk:Blast_san|<font color=#FCD116>a</font>]][[User:Blast_san|<font color=#DE0000>st</font>]]''' <sup><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User:Blast san/improvement|improve me]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></sup> <small> 18.06.07 2214 (UTC)</small>
*'''Delete''' for consistency and fairness. [[User:Andries|Andries]] 23:19, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' if users wish to self-identify, let them. If they fight over religion, block for disruption. Since very few of these fights have ever erupted, it strains credibility we'd have to pre-empt them. -[[User:N|N]] 23:40, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
**Users can self-identify through various userboxes, which are not included in this deletion nomination. In fact, if anyone was to nominate them for deletion, I would oppose the nomination. The categories, however, serve no useful purpose and thus should not be retained per [[WP:NOT#SOCIALNET]]. Also, the issue is not that the categories may create "fights", but that they harm collaboration by separating Wikipedians into separate factions. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 00:13, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' It is helpful to know an editor's background when you are trying to edit religious articles together. It goes to developing NPOV articles. (unless someone thinks a person's religion doesn't influence their writing. 8-) )--[[User:CTSWyneken|CTSWyneken]] 23:55, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
**Please note that the userboxes, which are what provide information on an editor's background, are not up for deletion. The userboxes will (and, in my view, should) remain. This nomination covers ''only'' the user categories. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 00:15, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' It is the category designation that allows for quick sourcing of knowledge from users and locating those who may be of use to articles within a specific sect. It is this association with their religious articles that will ultimately lead to better, more thorough articles for the information of all. [[User:Skabat169|Skabat169]] 00:29, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' Qualifies as a major user preference.--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 01:22, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' They are all perfectly valid and serve as a way of grouping people together who may be interested in collaboration. [[User:Kolindigo|Kolindigo]] 02:05, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Strong Keep''' There's nothing wrong with these categories, and I encourage more of them because they are useful to getting to know people here on Wikipedia by identifying them with their sex, language, religion etc. The reasons given to delete these categories, in my opinion, are not valid points. Also, these categories are very popular. If we remove one, we have to remove all other similar categories regarding language, political standpoints, etc., in order to be consequential. [[User:EliasAlucard|EliasAlucard]]|[[User talk:EliasAlucard|Talk]] 05:37 17 Jun, 2007 (UTC)
*'''Strong keep.''' This is absurd. Wikipedians cannot be prevented from disclosing their sympathies and proclivities, so why prevent them from doing so in an organized and systematic manner? This request for deletion is the latest in a long lineage of misguided bids to deny Wikipedians the ability to quickly and conveniently describe themselves, which is unambiguously beneficial. The more we disclose, the more honest our endeavor. [[User:Bhumiya|Bhumiya]] ([[User talk:Bhumiya|said]]/[[Special:Contributions/Bhumiya|done]]) 06:20, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
**I had stopped replying to "keep" comments, but I feel that I must address this one. These user categories do nothing except divide Wikipedia editors into different camps on the basis of the controversial dimension of religion. Editors can still "quickly and conveniently" describe themselves through any number of userboxes without resort to any categories. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 07:47, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
***'''Reply''': You want to remove these categories because you find religion offensive? Seems like bias if you ask me. You don't happen to be atheist, no? [[User:EliasAlucard|EliasAlucard]]|[[User talk:EliasAlucard|Talk]] 09:54 17 Jun, 2007 (UTC)
****Uhh ... nowhere did I state that I find religion offensive. I wrote that religious identifications can be potentially divisive. And whether I am an atheist or not is not at all relevant since (1) it has no bearing on the validity of my arguments (see [[ad hominem]]) and (2) [[:Category:Atheist Wikipedians]] is part of this nomination. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 08:06, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*****Yeah, thanks, I know what ad hominem is. Either way I don't think you have a legitimate case here. Your argument is that these religious categories are hurting Wikipedia as a whole. Care to give one actual example? Because I have never encountered this as a problem before. What are you basing your claims on? [[User:EliasAlucard|EliasAlucard]]|[[User talk:EliasAlucard|Talk]] 10:12 17 Jun, 2007 (UTC)
******That is not my argument. My argument is that: (1) these categories violate [[WP:NOT#SOCIALNET]] because they do not aid collaboration on articles; (2) personal self-identification that has no relevance to the encyclopedia project can be done on userpages and does not require any categories; (3) the categories are ''potentially'' harmful because they divide Wikipedians on the basis of a dimension that has nothing to do with the encyclopedia (i.e., they unnecessarily create internal factions); and (4) the categories can be misused (e.g., for the purpose of vote-stacking). So, in short, my argument is not that these categories are currently causing harm, but rather that they offer no present or potential benefits and ''may'' indeed be harmful. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 08:25, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*******Taking your points in reverse: 4.) so can any Wikipedian category, since they all, presumably denote potential collaborative interest in some way. 3.) A concern shared by others in the past. Though as I recall, the concerns were more about "comparison". Category names which stated preference and/or negativity (such as: Wikipedian Pastafarians who hate Agnostics). Simply stating what religion the user ''is'' shouldn't be divisive in and of itself. ([[WP:AGF]].) 2.) Again, this could apply to any Wikipedian category. 1.) I'm curious as to how you don't think that these cannot aid in collaboration on articles. Anything that can be accused of facilitating "vote stacking" should also be useful in fostering other, more positive, forms of collaboration? - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 10:52, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
********In response to your arguments: 4) This one doesn't denote a potential collaborative interest. 3) Simply stating one's religion is not inherently divisive. However, a category that divides Wikipedians on the basis of something that has nothing to do with the encyclopedia is. 2) No, it would not. A category that states that a user has access to university libraries is directly relevant to the encyclopedia as is one that identifies interest in a given topic. Religious self-identification holds no value for encyclopedic collaboration. 1) You're right. The votestacking argument doesn't hold up since these categories are useless for collaboration (whether positive or negative). However, that still shouldn't allow Wikipedia to become a social networking forum. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 17:05, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' Agree with the nom, having a list of all Wikipedians who identify to be something as vague as Sikh, Lutheran or Sunni isn't helpful at all. Also, I'm pretty sure most of the Keep voters haven't even read what this CfD is about. I considered supporting keep for some of the smaller sub-sub categories (Wikipedian Karaites, Vaishnava Wikipedians etc.), but they are so incomplete that they aren't helpful, too. If someone wants to find other Wikipedians who might be interested in improving articles about one religion, why not just contact the main contributors in this area and create some kind of WikiProject? [[User:Malc82|Malc82]] 08:38, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*:Excellent idea - Which is of course, one (of several) of the presumed uses for these categories : ) - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 10:53, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Strong keep'''. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, yes. But it is a community encyclopaedia, and has a "private" side which is the user pages. Categories like this one are not "troublesome" and the users who form the community use them because they '''wish''' to do so. There are 199 people who use the "Atheist" category, and 105 who use the "Bright" category, and 137 who use the "Buddhist" category, and 150 who use the "Roman Catholic" category. And so on. Deleting these categories serves no purpose. It's just another nanny witchhunt. Surely there are better things to do on the WIkipedia than trouble oneself about deleting categories in User space. -- [[User:Evertype|Evertype]]·[[User_talk:Evertype|✆]] 10:51, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. I dislike userboxes and don't have any on my user page. Categories are a more subtle and less invasive way of conveying the same information. [[User:Kestenbaum|Kestenbaum]] 15:55, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*"Keep" users who are not sure about information on a religon-related article can contact a member of that faith and verify if it is true or not --[[User:Java7837|Java7837]] 21:23, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
**Information obtained from the personal experience of another user is not a valid source for a claim in an article. Such information constitutes second-hand [[WP:OR|original research]]. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 22:29, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
***That is about as argumentative as it gets, and borders on the nonsensical. By this meter, '''no one''''s experience or knowledge can validly be used to build the encyclopedia '''on any subject whatsoever''', as it must also be labeled (by the same token) ''second-hand original research''. Can't we just assume good faith and presume that someone might ask the faith-related question to one of the appropriate faith, and knowing what is likely the right answer, be able to seriously narrow down the search for a proper reference (if the fact is indeed deemed in need of a supporting reference)?--[[User:Ramdrake|Ramdrake]] 22:45, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
****That's not argumentative, that's policy. All information must be referenced by [[WP:RS|reliable]] published sources. Wikipedians are ''not'' reliable sources. As for your second point, adherents of a given religion are generally little help when it comes to "narrow[ing] down the search" for sources. The average follower of any given religion is not aware of reliable published literature on the religion. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 23:00, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
***Even more interesting, what if your question is say (just an example here) a question about Judaism and the user you're asking happens to be a Rabbi? I'd say such information could be considered somewhat more than "second-hand personal experience".--[[User:Ramdrake|Ramdrake]] 22:48, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
****How do you know that the editor to whom you've asked a question is really a rabbi and not someone posing as a rabbi? The only legitimate way to source content based on the writings of another editor is if those writings have been published in a reliable source (such as an academic journal). However, this hits on an interesting point. A rabbi probably is, more than the average person, aware of scholarly or religious literature on Judaism. However, in this case, you would need to look in [[:Category:Wikipedians by profession]] rather than [[:Category:Wikipedians by religion]]. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 23:00, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*****Then, if you are consequent with your own reasoning, you should recommend the deletion of '''all''' user categories, as any information gleaned from the expertise of these users cannot be considered a reliable source, and you can't verify for sure that they are indeed the experts they claim to be. Focusing on just religious categories goes counter to your argument, as it logically should apply to '''all''' categories. The fact is '''NO''' user category will ensure that the specific person you're asking the question of in this user category is able and competent to answer your question,''any question''.--[[User:Ramdrake|Ramdrake]] 23:20, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
******That does not logically follow. Someone who is a biologist is, by definition, a specialist in the subject of biology. As such, it is not unreasonable to expect that they are aware of and/or have access to reliable published works about biology-related subjects. However, someone who is a Christian is ''not'' necessarily (and most likely is not) a specialist in the subject of Christianity. That's where the distinction lies. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 23:25, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*******Actually, it's what you're saying that does not follow logically: more often than not, religion is based on a well-circumscribed (thus limited)set of written texts and/or oral traditions. It is usually at least as easy, and I would dare say easier for one follower of one faith to be well-acquainted whith his or her holy texts (or traditions, as may be) as it is for a biologist to be cognizant about '''all''' fields of biology. The scope of religion being that much more limited, it would be logically easier to master: just take the number of Christians who are as comfortable quoting scriptures as a physicist would be quoting the second law of thermodynamics. This is sounding more and more like you have a specific bias against religions.--[[User:Ramdrake|Ramdrake]] 23:33, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
********Let me reply to each of your points in turn: (1) Articles about individual religions should, for the most part, not be based on their respective holy texts (except perhaps to source quotes from those texts). Keep in mind that these sources are hundreds of years of old and that their meaning is the subject of intense controversy among theologians. If theologians can't agree on a specific interpretation, I don't think we should write based on the interpretation of a regular adherent. (2) A biologist can contribute to articles on biology without being aware of ''all'' fields of biology, just as a theologian could contribute to articles on religion without being aware of ''all'' aspects of a given religion. However, being an adherent does not automatically make someone a theologian. (3) I do not have a bias against religions. Perhaps you will be convinced by the fact that I've nominated ''all'' subcategories of [[:Category:Wikipedians by religion]] (including those for atheists, agnostics, and so on). Or perhaps you will be convinced by the fact that probably less than 10 of my 9000+ edits are to articles about religion. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 23:49, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no need to categorize users in a divisive manner. --[[User:After Midnight|After Midnight]] <sup><small>[[User talk:After Midnight|0001]]</small></sup> 21:28, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Strong Keep''' - It is up to the individual user to include userbox on their User Page as a source of identifying one's belief. It can also help to conclude if the user is acting in accordance with [[WP:NPOV]] and other Wikipedia standards. I do not believe it has any connection with "[[WP:NOT#MYSPACE|Wikipedia is not MySpace]]" by itself. [[User:Joseph_C|Joseph C]]
**The religion userboxes are not the subject of this nomination; in fact, I (the nominator) would oppose an attempt to delete them. This nomination is only about the user categories, which I assume were created as a byproduct of template codes being copied and reused. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 23:10, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
***I understood this thank you. I did not make my original point clear by that. I do not find anything wrong in grouping oneself into a category, which then can be easily found. (I also agree with a lot of above comments made for the "keep" vote side) Having a category makes it easier to find other users who might be interested in contributing to, or creating, an article involving that religion. [[user:Joseph_C|Joseph C]]
****Is there any reason to assume that an adherent of a particular religion has any interest in contributing to articles on that religion? I would guess that at least 75% of Wikipedians are religious; however, a much smaller percentage actually contributes to articles on religion. For instance, I am not a Sunni Muslim, yet I have a (weak) interest in Sunnism-related topics (mostly as an extension of my interest in the Middle East and North and East Africa). -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 23:30, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*****You are correct, however in the case of a smaller religious group membership, by categorizing, it would be far simpler for me to find another in the same group that I could ask (on his or her User Talk Page) if they were interested in helping. [[User:Joseph_C|Joseph C]]
******Just a technical note: it is possible to find the adherents of a given religion by clicking "whatlinkshere" on the template page. See, for instance, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/User:UBX/Christian this] for [[User:UBX/Christian]]. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 23:53, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete all''', these user categories won't help build the encyclopedia and can only serve to divide users. <span style="font-family:serif;">—[[User:Ptkfgs|ptk]]✰[[User_talk:Ptkfgs|fgs]]</span> 23:42, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
* Delete, and ''please'' delete those userboxes while you're at it. Let's get rid of this poisonous trash. --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 00:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
**Tony, two points. (A) There isn't a snowball's chance in hell that anyone can gather consensus to delete the userboxes. (B) The userboxes permit editors to express their personal identities. Since editors are volunteers, I think a relatively large degree of leeway should be granted as to what appears in userspace. It's when this extends to the category namespace that I have a problem. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 00:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
***Tony, setting aside your condescending rhetoric ("poisonous trash"? Yeesh!), '''did you vote twice?''' If your previous one was only a comment, then you should have labelled it as such (and joined your vote and comment together). As it stands, it just gives the impression that you're trying to pad the 'delete's. [[User:Bladestorm|Bladestorm]] 14:43, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
<s>*'''Keep ''' per above--[[User:Sefringle|<span style="color: red">Sef</span><span style="color: black;">rin</span><span style="color: green;">gle</span>]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Sefringle|<span style="color:#4169E1">Talk</span>]]</small></sup> 00:10, 18 June 2007 (UTC)</s>
*'''Keep.''' Three reasons: 1, Not everyone who wants to be identified with a religion wants to clutter their user page with user boxes. If you delete the category, there will be no way for them to identify themselves. 2, The categories are useful to identify potential POV in contributions. 3, There’s no reason to assume that people are being divisive by having a limited number of categories. Last time I checked, anyone can create a category. If one doesn’t exist for your religion, nobody’s forcing you to use an existing one. This isn’t Wikipedians “being categorized” it’s Wikipedians “categorizing themselves.” Final thought: it isn’t “poisonous trash” to know someone else’s religion. [[User:Jaksmata|Jaksmata]] 03:37, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. I can't see any reason to delete. If someone decides to spam all Muslim users with hate messages, it's that user who is being divisive and inflammatory and should be banned. You can't claim that the Muslim users themselves were being divisive and inflammatory by merely expressing their religious preference. We must remember that all contributors to Wikipedia are doing this for purely unselfish reasons, they have nothing to gain by contributing except a feeling of having done a good thing. We must encourage contributors and try to keep them interested. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, but it is an encyclopedia written by a community of volunteers and that means the community aspect is at least as important as the encyclopedia aspect. If cultivating that means becoming a little of MySpace, I certainly see no problem with it. [[User:Loom91|Loom91]] 07:57, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' I believe that user categories and userboxes although not encyclopaedic in nature, may serve a purpose. First of all we are persons, not bots. This means that we have a personality and we try to distinguish ourselves from others. This info can be used to identify bias in posts without references. Having user categories may be used to locate other users with same interests and discuss before posting an article. This could be useful especially for controversial subjects such as religion.
*'''Keep'''. I agree with Loom91 above, the fact of the matter is that [[Wikipedia]] is an encyclopedia that is totally indebted to millions of users. You stated that "In short, all pages should be targeted toward the idea that [[WP:ENC|Wikipedia is an encyclopedia]]." But wouldnt this then state that all User pages should be deleted, as they have no encyclopedic value. The fact that one person who has a belief or an interest in one thing, wants to be able to see who else has these same interests or beliefs, is just fine. This would help Users to come together on projects and to better [[Wikipedia]]. This more seems to be an attack on religion, as expressed above, there would be many more categories that would meet this criteria for deletion. The fact that people want to come together should help Wikipedia become more of a community, and ultimately give better information for everyone to share. --Josh Matthews 05:28, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
* '''Speedy keep''', as per yesterday's [[:Category:Wikipedians by language]] CfD. These are the same arguments (potentially divisive and inflammatory, doesn't aid collaboration), and i believe they're invalid (or at least similarly valid) for basically the same reasons. Keep both, or delete both. (If anyone actually ''does'' start using these categories for [[WP:NOT#SOCIALNET|social networking]], instead of a foundation for collaboration, then this discussion can be raised again.) --[[User:Piet Delport|Piet Delport]] 14:46, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' but preferably '''rename''' most of the subcategories, i.e. the type ''"X-ist Wikipedians"'' becomes ''"Wikipedians interested in X-ism"''. I don't find it disturbing or sinister, but I do find it somewhat silly that I am categorised as a Dystheist Wikipedian when my userbox merely says I have an interest in dystheism. For lots of subcategories there are alternative userboxes, e.g. "user Pagan" and "user interested in Paganism", but both place you into the Pagan Wikipedians category, regardless. This makes no sense; interest is a wider concept than identification — users who declare an interest in X-ism might also ''be'' X-ists, or they might not. Just edit the userboxes to categorise pages into "religious interest" groupings, whether they declare an interest or state an identity. But this is a matter of broadening the existing categories, '''not''' deleting them. To answer two deletionist arguments: (1) I'm not persuaded that the abuse argument holds water. People who want to seek out users according to their religious affiliation can simply follow "What links here" from the relevant userbox template. Is there any means of facilitating contact for encyclopedic purposes which is ''not'' open to abuse? (2) Religion is divisive because "you can only have one religious affiliation" — this is no longer universally true in the pluralist, multicultural West, and throughout East Asia it was never true. The world's overflowing with dual-faith and multi-faith people. See my user-page for a start! [[User:Gnostrat|Gnostrat]] 19:56, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
** Good point, Gnostrat. The text in the user box ''should'' agree with the categorization included. Keep in mind though, unlike the dystheism user box you mentioned, some user boxes are very specific. I have one that specifically declares my religious affiliation, and I keep the box with the intent of belonging to that category. In other words, I'm more than "Interested." [[User:Jaksmata|Jaksmata]] 21:08, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
***Then if these things were rationally organised, yours could be nested into the relevant "interested" category as a subcategory, i.e "interested plus". Although the thought did occur to me that having one big category that didn't distinguish the identifiers from the just-interesteds might help to allay the misperception by some people that the categories are POV-pushing, whilst still allowing them to facilitate encyclopedic cooperation. And in some cases, interested and identifier categories would not be large enough to be separately viable. [[User:Gnostrat|Gnostrat]] 20:46, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' per Piet Delport. '''''[[User:Bibliomaniac15|<font color="black">bibliomaniac</font>]][[User talk:Bibliomaniac15|<font color="red">1</font><font color="blue">5</font>]]''''' <sup>[[User:Bibliomaniac15/Enlarge your edit count|BUY NOW!]]</sup> 01:28, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep / Rename'''. I recognize that there is a gray area here, but I do believe that being able to locate people knowledgable in specific religious traditions is useful to building the encyclopedia. However, I would support an effort to restruct the religious categories into the form "Wikipedians interested in X". [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] 04:02, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. I cannot support the mass deletion of this entire category. With that said, there are many categories that should be assessed for merges. For example, do we really need ''all'' of the following cats? There is a lot of overlap in these groups:
*[[:Category:Agnostic Wikipedians]] (and its subcat)
*[[:Category:Antireligious Wikipedians]]
*[[:Category:Antitheist Wikipedians]]
*[[:Category:Apatheist Wikipedians]]
*[[:Category:Atheist Wikipedians]] (and its subcat)
*[[:Category:Dystheist Wikipedians]]
*[[:Category:Ignostic Wikipedians]]
*[[:Category:Irreligious Wikipedians]] (and its subcat)
*[[:Category:Nontheistic Wikipedians]] (and its five subcats, all of which are also categorized elsewhere)
Note that I don't claim they are all the same (as they are not), but some of those should probably be merged. And then we have the following:
*[[:Category:Wikipedians who believe in Santa]]
*[[:Category:SubGenius Wikipedians]]
*[[:Category:Pastafarian Wikipedians]] '''and''' [[:Category:Flying Spaghetti Monsterist Wikipedians]]
*[[:Category:Invisible Pink Unicorn Wikipedians]]
(the last two of which are subcats of [[:Category:Psuedoreligionist Wikipedians]], which is MISSPELLED.)
...whose inclusion tends to support the assertions by the '''Delete''' !voters that the entire category is filled with junk. We also have [[:Category:Wikipedians who wear the Hijab]], which sounds more like a political category than a religious one, but that's debatable.
Those who wish to keep this category should start policing it and deleting the junk. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 05:46, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Strong keep All'''. No harm. Suggest merges separately. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] | [[User_talk:Arthur_Rubin|(talk)]] 04:38, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete all''' If political categories cannot exist neither should religous categories.--[[User:Sefringle|<span style="color: red">Sef</span><span style="color: black;">rin</span><span style="color: green;">gle</span>]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Sefringle|<span style="color:#4169E1">Talk</span>]]</small></sup> 07:13, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' I don't like userboxes. Also when I was more active I found these useful for religion related articles. It's sometimes useful to know what Sikhs or Christian Scientists think of themselves or their theology when editing articles related to it. My [[Encyclopedia Americana]] states when writers are priests or work in Christian colleges. So why not have the same here?--[[User:T. Anthony|T. Anthony]] 08:24, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' I'm just going to be a dick, not read the discussion, and vote. Yeah, religion is important to a lot of people. So placing yourself in a user category for that religion is okay. And it can facilitate collaboration, if that's the standard we're using. [[User:YechielMan|Yechiel]][[User talk:YechielMan|<span style="color:green">Man</span>]] 08:44, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Strong Keep''' I think that this is a good avenue for encouraging collaboration. --[[User:Jmbranum|Jmbranum]] 04:30, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete all''' — and this is coming from someone who has dealt with ''multiple'' massive manipulations of consensus using these categories. That's right, on multiple occasions, I'd had to block and revert assholes who were using these categories to spam recruitment messages to hundreds of people from a given religion to go "win" a policy or deletion discussion. --[[User:Cyde|<font color="#ff66ff">'''Cyde Weys'''</font>]] 08:19, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
**Cyde, could you give us a couple of such examples? Especially the ones where people were using it to spam to hundreds of other users?--[[User:Ramdrake|Ramdrake]] 19:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. It is sometimes helpful to know a fellow editor's religious preference. [[User:Mike R|Mike R]] 15:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. I was opposed to deletion before, because all I heard from those supporting deletion was vague warnings about the potential for abuse, but Cyde has now claimed actual ''examples'' of abuse (and I bet he'd be willing to provide diffs if requested). Many of the "keep" contingent are either userbox haters or those who like the idea of knowing another user's expressed religious beliefs. If you don't like having a userbox, either spell out your beliefs on your user page or do without. If you want to know another specific user's beliefs, go take a look at his or hers userpage. If they want to share, it'll be there. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 18:50, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Strong delete''' per Black Falcon, who put forward some very good reasons. If you want to profess your religion, do it on your user page. You don't need a category to do it. --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 19:02, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Strong keep''' per above agnostic-atheist POV: if this category (and related subcategories) were deleted, then following your logic-reason all categories under [[:Category:Wikipedians]] shall have to be deleted too (be it about profession, country, politics, language, etc.). Should this happen, on one hand it would appear that Wikipedia adopted a military regime [one of my backgrounds] with an uniformity of all users equally listed under the same parent category; on the other hand, it would mean one could not easily find those dwelling in fields of interest akin to ours (in the same way as we usually also get together in real life with those sharing our views, activities, etc.) and at the same time it would mean the end of the background diversity of wikipedian editors that build this encyclopedia [at least the current visible way], the same diversity that caracterizes our creative human condition in any personal or working field of the ''real life''. --[[User:Lusitanian|Lusitanian]] 02:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
====User categories deleted out of process====
'''Contested speedy deletions, restored as procedural nomination'''. These categories were all deleted out of process by [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]], and they have been contested by other editors. In discussions on my talk page, Dmcdevit has not identified any applicable [[WP:CSD|speedy deletion criteria]], and a [[Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#New_C4:_Advocacy_categories|proposal to create a new CSD criterion for advocacy categories]] has not so far achieved consensus.<br />The reasons listed in the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=delete&user=Dmcdevit&page=&pattern=&limit=100&offset=0 deletion log] for these deletions was ''"Divisive POV-advocacy user categorizations: please refer to [[WP:SOAP]], [[WP:NOT#WEBSPACE]], and especially [[WP:ENC]]; this promotes no encyclopedic purpose.)"'' However, [[WP:SPEEDY#Non-criteria]] is clear that ''"Reasons derived from [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not]] ... are not part of the speedy deletion criteria"''. That covers [[WP:SOAP]] and [[WP:NOT#WEBSPACE]]; and [[WP:ENC]] is not even flagged as an essay, let alone a guideline.
Please note that this is ''not'' a matter for [[WP:DRV]], which says "Wikipedia:Deletion review considers disputed decisions made in deletion-related discussions". There was no discussion of these categories before their deletion, so [[WP:DRV|deletion review]] is the wrong place.
I have restored these categories and listed them for discussion so that a decision can be made on their merits. Since this is a procedural nomination, I remain neutral. (If any editors feel that any category raises different issues to the generality of these categories, feel free to split this nomination). --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <small>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 09:42, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
::As requested, I've split the group nom into sections. I've also restored (relisting) my previous listing of the individual categories. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 10:25, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
:::There are literally hundreds of categories that this user has deleted in this way (looking at his history) and it seems that only some have been restored. What is the explanation for this? [[User:Oren0|Oren0]] 10:33, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
::::It's because I listed only those deleted since June 4. Some of those deleted up to that point were the subject of a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 June 4|rather strange deletion review]], where the categories concerned were not listed. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <small>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 10:39, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::I will add here that if we restore the categories under consideration, including [[:Category:Masculist Wikipedians]], then as a matter of plain consistency this should also be done for [[:Category:Feminist Wikipedians]] which was deleted by [[User:Zscout370]] using an identical deletion log entry to Dmcdevit's. Possibly other deletions by this user should also be looked at. [[User:Gnostrat|Gnostrat]] 02:17, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::I'm putting [[:Category:Feminist Wikipedians]] back.--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 14:30, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Note''': this entire discussion was deleted by [[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:User_categories_for_discussion&diff=138623399&oldid=138622730 this edit] because he mistakenly believed that these categories had already been the subject of a deletion review. The relevant DRV preceded these deletions, and even if Tony had been right the appropriate step would be to seek a speedy close, not to simply delete all trace of the discussions. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <small>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 23:36, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
**That was ''after'' Jc37 reverted the admin that closed those before (which he nominated). Disputed deletions go to DRV, and should not be simply reversed and lited here instead. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 01:21, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
***Disputed deletions are those that went through a deletion process. These didn't. Hence, Jc did the right thing.--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 01:23, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
:::* {{tl|fact}}. A deletion which is disputed is a disputed deletion. Disputed deletions go to [[WP:DRV]]. Simple. <b>[[User Talk:JzG|Guy]]</b> <small>([[User:JzG/help|Help!]])</small> 18:30, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
To the commenters below, the category being empty is not a reason for deletion. You do realize they have been systematically [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:E-user&diff=137790832&oldid=129896861 removed] from user pages since their initial deletion. –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 08:12, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*No, I did not, and this makes me even less happy with the person who removed the categories. I will remove those votes of mine.--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 14:23, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*I also was not entirely sure (misunderstood the nature of some of the nominations; the only one I thought was a re-list was the group of political cats), although it doesn't make much of a difference for most of my votes. I have refactored a couple of !votes where my primary contention was that they were empty; the rest of my !votes remain due to other factors. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 17:35, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
===== Wikipedians by political ideology =====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''delete'''. The major concerns were that the categories are (1) not encyclopedic, violating WP:NOT; and (2) serve mainly to promote POV, with a potential to be divisive. Few of the keep rationales addressed point (1), while many seemed to ignore it outright. Several keep rationales addressed point (2), but did not refute it. — Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]] · [[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 05:59, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
* [[:Category:Wikipedians by political ideology]]
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* [[:Category:Anarchist Wikipedians]]
* [[:Category:Anti-communist Wikipedians]]
* [[:Category:Anti-socialist Wikipedians]]
* [[:Category:Capitalist Wikipedians]]
* [[:Category:Centrist Wikipedians]]
* [[:Category:Conservative Wikipedians]]
* [[:Category:Distributist wikipedians]]
* [[:Category:Green Wikipedians]]
* [[:Category:Independent Wikipedians]]
* [[:Category:Kemalist Wikipedians]]
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* [[:Category:Leftist Wikipedians]]
* [[:Category:Liberal Wikipedians]]
* [[:Category:Libertarian Wikipedians]]
* [[:Category:Libertarian socialist Wikipedians]]
* [[:Category:Marxian Wikipedians]]
* [[:Category:Masculist Wikipedians]]
* [[:Category:Minarchist Wikipedians]]
* [[:Category:Moderate Wikipedians]]
* [[:Category:Progressive Wikipedians]]
* [[:Category:Religious Left Wikipedians]]
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* [[:Category:Religious socialist Wikipedians]]
* [[:Category:Republican Wikipedians]]
* [[:Category:Rightist Wikipedians]]
* [[:Category:Social democratic Wikipedians]]
* [[:Category:Socialist Wikipedians]]
* [[:Category:Syndicalist Wikipedians]]
* [[:Category:Technocrat Wikipedians]]
* [[:Category:Theoretical Communist Wikipedians]]
* [[:Category:Wikipedian Classical Liberals]]
* [[:Category:Wikipedians with World Citizenship]]
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*'''Comment''' - Split the group nominations as requested by [[User:BrownHairedGirl]]. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 10:25, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete all''', because '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia is an encyclopedia|Wikipedia is an encyclopedia]]'''. It is not Usenet, Myspace, Free Republic, or Democratic Underground. (Anyone who disagrees with the preceding statement can [[special:userlogout|click here]].) User categorization should only be used to the extent that it aids in writing an encyclopedia. These, however, help and may even encourage POV-pushing. [[User:Picaroon9288|Picaroon]] [[User talk:Picaroon9288|(Talk)]] 18:34, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
**I rather think that showing these categories does entirely the reverse of POV-pushing. They show the POV of the individual in a clear and concise way and allow other edits to take that into account. There is nothing messianic or even proselytizing about any of these cats, just a simple statement of where the user is coming from. [[User:Galloglass|Galloglass]] 11:04, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete all'''. Wikipedia is [[WP:NOT#SOCIALNET|not a political discussion forum]]. Individual editors can still express their views without having to be classified in categories. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 20:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep all.''' Qualifies as a major user preference.--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 01:22, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep all''' or else '''rename all'''. It's a big leap of logic from categories to either POV pushing or political discussion forums, they're not about that. And if there's a perception of POV advocacy (which would apply equally to philosophical and religious categories by the way), we could exclude that by renaming them as ''"Wikipedians interested in...[Zog-ism/whatever]"'', which would allow the categories to promote coordination between people with similar interests, without in any way implying that people in those categories need actually ''be'' Zog-ists and so on. This might be a compromise that both sides could find acceptable. [[User:Gnostrat|Gnostrat]] 01:48, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
**But that's precisely the issue. These aren't people who are ''interested'' in Zog-ism, but rather people who identify with Zog-ism. For instance, I'm an atheist, but I've never edited any article related to atheism. The same is true of political categories. Identifying with an ideology is not the same as having an interest in it. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 02:01, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
***Right, which could be an argument for broadening categories, but not for deleting them. Interest doesn't ''exclude'' a statement of identification. Users who declare an interest in Zogism might also advocate it, or might not. Whatever it says on the userboxes, whether outright Zogist or just interested, they would all place people into the 'interested' category regardless. If people are determined to search out specifically pro-Zog userboxes, they're going to find them whether the categories are there or not. And I can't see how it's relevant which articles you edit in. I'm a Gnostic Pagan libertarian nationalist, but I edit articles in those areas because that's what I'm knowledgeable in. I know the difference between holding a point of view and being able to write about it neutrally. And if people know where I stand, they can compensate for me if I do inadvertently let anything slip through. (They can also get that information from userboxes; it doesn't affect the case for categories either one way or the other. There are other reasons for having categories, such as facilitating cooperation.) [[User:Gnostrat|Gnostrat]] 17:08, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Weak Keep''' - I can definitely see this playing a legitimate encyclopedic role in some respects; say you're editing an article about Minarchism, and someone brings up a topic that you're not sure about. It would then make sense to contact other Minarchist editors to try and solve your dispute. I don't feel it's being used in that way by most, but the case is there and it's not doing any harm otherwise. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 08:06, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Strong Keep''' Stuff like this helps to build a community and the community helps to build the project. This is hardly divisive anyways and people will never be soulless automatons. --[[User:MichaelLinnear|MichaelLinnear]] 08:46, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Strong Keep''' These categories are at the heart of wikipedia. In a perfect world we would all be POV free and produce perfect POV free articles. However I have to break the news to you, we don't live in a POV free world and ''every one of us'' has a POV. The above categories enable people to show what their own POV is and lets other editors take account of this and amend or change articles accordingly. That is all these categories are, a way of showing the views of the individual editors in a very important area of life: politics. Having spent the last two days browsing all the relevant policies on wikipedia I can find no valid policy reason for their deletion. [[User:Galloglass|Galloglass]] 10:54, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*:Editors can show what their opinions are without categories; '''it's called your userpage.''' [[User:Picaroon9288|Picaroon]] [[User talk:Picaroon9288|(Talk)]] 21:31, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Strong Keep''' I agree these categories should be kept. [[User:Brain40|Brain40]] 20:51, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*:Okay. Do you have anything to contribute to the discussion? [[User:Picaroon9288|Picaroon]] [[User talk:Picaroon9288|(Talk)]] 21:31, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*::Yes. I think these categories should be kept. Why? Well, why is it just these that are being deleted? Why not all the others? My point is, people claim these are divisive, that's politics! Anything political can be considered divisive from a certain point-of-view! What I'm trying to say is, in my opinion either all categories should be kept, or none at all, as they are all the same, religious, political, sexuality, language, computer and educational categories are all the same and can be considered divisive, but that doesn't mean that the categories are bad, it just means that there are users across Wikipedia that have many different beliefs. [[User:Brain40|Brain40]] 16:09, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
*::Don't mistake what I'm saying for wanting to keep ''all'' categories, I do support the deletions of a few in the past... [[User:Brain40|Brain40]] 23:54, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no need to categorize users in a divisive manner. --[[User:After Midnight|After Midnight]] <sup><small>[[User talk:After Midnight|0001]]</small></sup> 21:24, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*Bilge. Delete. --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 23:06, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete all''', this is beyond obvious. The only conceivable purpose of any of these is to inflame or push a POV. <span style="font-family:serif;">—[[User:Ptkfgs|ptk]]✰[[User_talk:Ptkfgs|fgs]]</span> 23:40, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep all''' it is userspace, and users are entitled to their userspace.--[[User:Sefringle|<span style="color: red">Sef</span><span style="color: black;">rin</span><span style="color: green;">gle</span>]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Sefringle|<span style="color:#4169E1">Talk</span>]]</small></sup> 00:08, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
**Actually, it is the category namespace. Editors can still display userboxes in userspace without having to be classified in categories. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 00:16, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
** And to clarify, user's own pages are not going to be touched at all whether this results in "keep" or "delete", except to remove the categories. Userboxes will remain userboxes. --[[User talk:Iamunknown|Iamunknown]] 00:26, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep all''' Next, someone's going to want to delete the religion categories and the Wikipedian by country categories and [[:Category:Gay Wikipedians]]... where will it end? Divisive? I guess if you ''want'' to be offended by something, you could complain. But the divisiveness is pure hypothetical here – "I'm offended because that user is in the United States category... I'm offended because User X is in the Buddhist category... I'm offended because User X is in the centrist category..." Seriously, who says those kinds of things? Who ''actually'' has a problem with these types of categories because they themselves find them polemic? And why are the categories an issue, but not the userboxes (or userpages) that can convey this same type of information? It all sounds silly to me, especially considering the "World Citizenship", "Independent", and "Centrist" categories are somehow being portrayed as divisive. These categories are voluntary; if someone does not want to make public their views, that's their prerogative. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<font color="black">tariq</font><font color="gray">abjotu</font>]]''' 15:30, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
**I didn't realize the religion categories were ''actually'' up for deletion. Wow. For the most part, ''divisive'' can be used to delete just about every user category here (except for maybe "admin/bureaucrat/..." and the language categories). We need to draw the "divisive line" somewhere, but these categories are not across it. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<font color="black">tariq</font><font color="gray">abjotu</font>]]''' 15:36, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
A comment has been deleted from here by Picaroon as a personal attack on them. Now reading the comment although the language was strong, in no place did it refer to the person who deleted it. Picaroon please be good enough to re-instate it. [[User:Galloglass|Galloglass]] 01:09, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:I don't care who he was referring to, although I believe I know. I warned {{user|Voievod}} about it on his talk page and explained to him that he could make a new comment if he wished. He has yet to do so. [[User:Picaroon9288|Picaroon]] [[User talk:Picaroon9288|(Talk)]] 01:42, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Just re-read it another two times. Still no personal attack in it. Please re-read it yourself again as I think you are reading things into it that are not there. [[User:Galloglass|Galloglass]] 02:18, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete all''' - these categories have no redeeming encyclopedic value and are [[WP:NPOV|contrary to the]] [[WP:ENC|project's goals]]. People wishing to disclaim biases can add a short sentence to their user page. They are entirely unnecessary. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 09:35, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
**I don't find that argument very persuasive. If was a diehard Zogist (to take the example from above), and was determined to edit articles and recast them from a Zogist perspective, then labelling myself as a zogist would actually ''help'' to maintain [[WP:NPOV|NPOV]] by alerting other editors to my own bias. I have seen this work in practice: a wikipedia editor was a councillor on one of the [[London Boroughs]], and was quite open about his political affiliations. He was a scrupulously careful editor, taking a rigorously [[WP:NPOV|neutral POV]], and although several editors appeared to be watching his edits closely, there was no remotely plausible accusation of breach of NPOV. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <small>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 14:18, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep all'''. This project is becoming less and less free.--[[User:BMF81|BMF81]] 23:50, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Strong Keep''' No one is forced to use these categories. It is useful in discussions for exactly the reason cited above by BrownHairedGirl. It is sometimes helpful to know whom you are arguing with. Of course, it is also possible to adopt a NPOV such that there is no reason to self-identify, & it is true that any really significant bias will be immediately revealed by the edits. I myself don't use this, but if i were editing primarily political topics, I probably would. '''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' 00:08, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep all'''. I see no harm, and stated bias is better than unstated bias. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] | [[User_talk:Arthur_Rubin|(talk)]] 04:39, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
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Please take note that this deletion is the subject of a Deletion Review at [[Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_June_21#Category:Wikipedians_by_political_ideology]].--[[User:Ramdrake|Ramdrake]] 13:31, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
===== Category:Monarchist Wikipedians =====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''delete'''. Main concern is WP:NOT. — Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]] · [[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 06:09, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
*[[:Category:Monarchist Wikipedians]]
**[[:Category:British royalist Wikipedians]]
**[[:Category:German monarchist Wikipedians]]
**[[:Category:Wikipedians who support the Canadian Crown]]
*'''Comment''' - Split the group nominations as requested by [[User:BrownHairedGirl]]. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 10:25, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete all''' – These affiliations can be expressed via userboxes. There is no need for user categories. These are not categories that further collaboration, as one's political affliation says nothing about one's ability to contribute to certain articles. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 20:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep all.''' Qualifies as a major user preference.--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 01:22, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep [[:Category:Monarchist Wikipedians]]''', delete the rest. We don't need to be to specific here, and for the reccord; Germany has now monarch! [[User:Haggawaga - Oegawagga|-)-(-H- (|-|) -O-)-(-]] 07:42, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep [[:Category:Monarchist Wikipedians]]''' [[User:Brain40|Brain40]] 20:53, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no need to categorize users in a divisive manner. --[[User:After Midnight|After Midnight]] <sup><small>[[User talk:After Midnight|0001]]</small></sup> 21:23, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*Delete all four, these categories are divisive and do not aid in collaboration. There are plenty of magazines and web fora if you want to connect with other people who have similar opinions on monarchism; Wikipedia is not one of these web fora. [[User:Picaroon9288|Picaroon]] [[User talk:Picaroon9288|(Talk)]] 22:00, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*Bilge. Delete. --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 23:06, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
**'''Comment''' Well if you're getting rid of these political categories (among others) why are you keeping others? [[User:Brain40|Brain40]] 01:49, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
***'''Reply''' - Which ones are we keeping? Let us know so that they may also be reviewed. --[[User:After Midnight|After Midnight]] <sup><small>[[User talk:After Midnight|0001]]</small></sup> 16:42, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
****'''Reply''' Well I know [[:Category:Communist Wikipedians]] and [[:Category:Anti-fascist Wikipedians]] aren't being reviewed. [[User:Brain40|Brain40]] 23:51, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
*****'''Reply''' It appears that [[:Category:Communist Wikipedians]] is a child of [[:Category:Leftist Wikipedians]] which is up for review [[Wikipedia:User_categories_for_discussion#Wikipedians_by_political_ideology|here]]. [[:Category:Anti-fascist Wikipedians]] is a child cat of [[:Category:Wikipedians by philosophy]], which would be a good area to do a group nomination on shortly. --[[User:After Midnight|After Midnight]] <sup><small>[[User talk:After Midnight|0001]]</small></sup> 19:27, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete all''' - these categories have no redeeming encyclopedic value and are [[WP:NPOV|contrary to the]] [[WP:ENC|project's goals]]. People wishing to disclaim biases can add a short sentence to their user page. They are entirely unnecessary. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 09:39, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
**'''Comment''' Well are you going to review Category:Communist Wikipedians and Category:Anti-fascist Wikipedians? Since I see no difference between the two and all the other categories. [[User:Brain40|Brain40]] 12:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' as for other political categories. The same argument holds--it puts the user into context. I don't see them as divisive--I recognize them as real political issues, but the civil wars have not yet started. '''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' 00:10, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
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===== Category:WSPQ Wikipedians =====
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The result of the debate was '''delete'''. Main concern is WP:NOT. — Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]] · [[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 06:10, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
*[[:Category:WSPQ Wikipedians]]
**[[:Category:Political Centrist Wikipedians]]
**[[:Category:Political Conservative Wikipedians]]
**[[:Category:Political Liberal Wikipedians]]
**[[:Category:Political Libertarian Wikipedians]]
*'''Comment''' - Split the group nominations as requested by [[User:BrownHairedGirl]]. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 10:25, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete all''' – These affiliations can be expressed via userboxes. There is no need for user categories. These are not categories that further collaboration, as one's political affliation says nothing about one's ability to contribute to certain articles. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 20:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' Less clear to me, but seems solid enough.--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 01:22, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
**Please don't vote. What does "solid enough" mean? How does this help the encyclopedia? [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 07:41, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
***Excuse me, but I don't need your permission to register an opinion. Regardless, as I said, I'm less clear that these are as useful as direct statements of political position because of the the source of the quiz. But the actual category names seem okay.--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 14:19, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''': polemical user categorizations according to point of view are harmful to the encyclopedia. These should not have been restored. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 07:41, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*:Just for clarification, did you read [[:Category:WSPQ Wikipedians]]? While I think you could have valid reasons to delete (such as not seeing a collaborative purpose to these, since they seem to merely be quiz results), I'm not understanding how what you said above ''specifically'' applies. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 11:26, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no need to categorize users in a divisive manner. --[[User:After Midnight|After Midnight]] <sup><small>[[User talk:After Midnight|0001]]</small></sup> 21:21, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*Bilge. Delete. --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 23:06, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
**Bilge? That's a derogatory term, not a reason for deletion. ''Why'' do you think it's bilge? --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <small>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small>
*'''Delete all''' - these categories have no redeeming encyclopedic value and are [[WP:NPOV|contrary to the]] [[WP:ENC|project's goals]]. People wishing to disclaim biases can add a short sentence to their user page. They are entirely unnecessary. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 09:35, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' same as before. The reasons (and the opinions based on no reason at all) are just the same as above. Except that it is even less true that this sort of generalization can possibly be seen as divisive. One of the eds. who wishes to delete them has chosen not to have a user p. at all and redirect it to the talk page. Perfectly OK, but I hope he doesn't ask us all to do the same. Ditto about these--it's a matter of preference. '''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' 00:15, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
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===== Category:Free-spelling Wikipedians =====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''delete'''. — Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]] · [[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 04:52, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
*[[:Category:Free-spelling Wikipedians]]
*'''Comment''' - listing for discussion. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 08:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - Free spelling on Wikipedia is a preference for users to spell all words, except for proper nouns, however they see fit. At the moment a totally unworkable preference and one not practiced. But the preference remains and as Wikipedia content is composed of words, I think a relevant category. - [[User:Grumpyyoungman01|Grumpyyoungman01]] 08:54, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. It's something that an be expressed in a userbox, but (as noted above) it's not workable in an encyclopedia and thus cannot even be used for collaboration on anything other than an article on the concept. Currently, the category has only one editor associated with it. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 14:14, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' – This affiliation can be expressed via a userbox. There is no need for a category, as it does nothing to further collaboration. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 20:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete.''' Don't buy this as a political stance.--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 01:22, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*Bilge. Delete. --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 23:06, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Speedy delete''', joke category with one member. <span style="font-family:serif;">—[[User:Ptkfgs|ptk]]✰[[User_talk:Ptkfgs|fgs]]</span> 23:42, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''-This one doesn't assist collaboration, especially with only one user in it :P. Suitable for a userbox, but not a category—<font color='red'>[[User:Arf!|arf!]]</font> 09:29, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' and end the madness. <b>[[User Talk:JzG|Guy]]</b> <small>([[User:JzG/help|Help!]])</small> 10:22, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
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===== Category:Wikipedians who consider themselves "jack of all trades" =====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''Speedy delete''' per [[WP:SNOW]]. '''<font color="#E2B14C">Ƙ</font><font color="#A20101">[[User:Krimpet|ɽ]]</font><font color="#E2B14C">ɨ</font><font color="#A20101">[[User talk:Krimpet|ɱ]]</font><font color="#E2B14C">ρ</font><font color="#A20101">[[Special:Contributions/Krimpet|ᶓ]]</font><font color="#E2B14C">ȶ</font>''' 23:47, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*[[:Category:Wikipedians who consider themselves "jack of all trades"]]
*'''Comment''' - listing for discussion. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 08:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - I consider myself as belonging to this category, but choose not to list myself there as a more precise explanation of an editor's style on their user page is more helpful. Jack of all trades is not a simple enough concept to be given justice by a category, and it seems could only do so with subcategories. - [[User:Grumpyyoungman01|Grumpyyoungman01]] 09:00, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete.''' One common defense of user cats is that they help people coordinate article development -- the "I'm good at everything and just as widely interested" category doesn't sound very useful, in that regard. The other option seems to be an ego category, even less appealing for me personally. <span style="font-size:0.2em">[[:Category:Wikipedians with giant dicks]]?</span> – <span style="font-family: Garamond">[[User:Luna Santin|<font color="#1E90FF">'''Luna Santin'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Luna Santin|talk]])</span> 10:46, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', as per Luna Santin. <del>This category is unpopulated.</del>[[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 14:25, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' – This affiliation can be expressed via a userbox. There is no need for a category, as it does nothing to further collaboration. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 20:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete.''' Basically "wikipedians who are interested in many things."--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 01:22, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
* Delete. What is crap doing on Wikipedia? --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 23:04, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
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===== Category:Geek Wikipedians =====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''Speedy delete''', per [[WP:SNOW]]. '''<font color="#E2B14C">Ƙ</font><font color="#A20101">[[User:Krimpet|ɽ]]</font><font color="#E2B14C">ɨ</font><font color="#A20101">[[User talk:Krimpet|ɱ]]</font><font color="#E2B14C">ρ</font><font color="#A20101">[[Special:Contributions/Krimpet|ᶓ]]</font><font color="#E2B14C">ȶ</font>''' 23:47, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*[[:Category:Geek Wikipedians]]
*'''Comment''' - listing for discussion. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 08:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete or merge Geek/Nerd Wikipedians.''' Doesn't seem to benefit building a project in any direct way. If we do insist on having a "cutesy" user cat, we may as well limit it to one, rather than two. Just my take. – <span style="font-family: Garamond">[[User:Luna Santin|<font color="#1E90FF">'''Luna Santin'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Luna Santin|talk]])</span> 10:43, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' or '''Merge''', as per Luna Santin. <del>This cat is unpopulated.</del> [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 14:31, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' – This affiliation can be expressed via a userbox. There is no need for a category, as it does nothing to further collaboration. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 20:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' – Agree with [[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]. [[User:Heptite|Heptite]] [[User talk:Heptite|<small>(T)</small>]] [[Special:Contributions/Heptite|<small>(C)</small>]] [[Special:Emailuser/Heptite|<small>(@)</small>]] 00:55, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete.''' Don't buy this as a political or lifestyle stance.--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 01:22, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - I can't see this being used for any kind of meaningful collaboration. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 08:07, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
* Delete. What is crap doing on Wikipedia? --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 23:04, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
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===== Category:Wikipedians who have been arrested =====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''Speedy delete''', per [[WP:SNOW]]. '''<font color="#E2B14C">Ƙ</font><font color="#A20101">[[User:Krimpet|ɽ]]</font><font color="#E2B14C">ɨ</font><font color="#A20101">[[User talk:Krimpet|ɱ]]</font><font color="#E2B14C">ρ</font><font color="#A20101">[[Special:Contributions/Krimpet|ᶓ]]</font><font color="#E2B14C">ȶ</font>''' 23:47, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*[[:Category:Wikipedians who have been arrested]]
*'''Comment''' - listing for discussion. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 08:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Not a category that lends itself to collaboration, and could possibly be used as for mischief. <del>The category is unpopulated; maybe a speedy?<del> [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 14:29, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' – This affiliation can be expressed via a userbox. There is no need for a category, as it does nothing to further collaboration. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 20:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete.''' Yeah, me too. So what?--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 01:22, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - impossible to be a collaborative category, it's too vague and useless. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 08:08, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
* Delete. What is crap doing on Wikipedia? --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 23:04, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
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===== Category:Absurdist Wikipedians =====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''Speedy delete''', per [[WP:SNOW]]. '''<font color="#E2B14C">Ƙ</font><font color="#A20101">[[User:Krimpet|ɽ]]</font><font color="#E2B14C">ɨ</font><font color="#A20101">[[User talk:Krimpet|ɱ]]</font><font color="#E2B14C">ρ</font><font color="#A20101">[[Special:Contributions/Krimpet|ᶓ]]</font><font color="#E2B14C">ȶ</font>''' 23:47, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*[[:Category:Absurdist Wikipedians]]
*'''Comment''' - listing for discussion. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 08:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
<del>*'''Delete'''. Another empty cat. Unclear if anyone was ever in the group.</del> <u>See above.</u> [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 17:35, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - an empty such cat seems, um, absurd [[User:Mikebar|Mikebar]] 14:45, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' – This affiliation can be expressed via a userbox. There is no need for a category, as it does nothing to further collaboration. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 20:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - Empty category. - [[User:G1ggy|<font color="green">G</font>]][[WP:FING|<font color="black">1</font>]][[User:G1ggy|<font color="green">ggy</font>]] <sup>[[ User_talk:G1ggy |<font color="red">Talk</font>]]</sup>/<sub>[[User:G1ggy/Contribs |Contribs]]</sub> 02:53, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
* Delete. What is crap doing on Wikipedia? --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 23:04, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
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===== Category:Nerd Wikipedians =====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''delete''' — Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]] · [[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 04:38, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
*[[:Category:Nerd Wikipedians]]
*'''Comment''' - listing for discussion. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 08:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete or merge Geek/Nerd Wikipedians.''' Doesn't seem to benefit building a project in any direct way. If we do insist on having a "cutesy" user cat, we may as well limit it to one, rather than two. Just my take. – <span style="font-family: Garamond">[[User:Luna Santin|<font color="#1E90FF">'''Luna Santin'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Luna Santin|talk]])</span> 10:42, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' – This affiliation can be expressed via a userbox. There is no need for a category, as it does nothing to further collaboration. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 20:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete.''' No different than "Geek".--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 01:22, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - Aren't we all =P No real need for category. - [[User:G1ggy|<font color="green">G</font>]][[WP:FING|<font color="black">1</font>]][[User:G1ggy|<font color="green">ggy</font>]] <sup>[[ User_talk:G1ggy |<font color="red">Talk</font>]]</sup>/<sub>[[User:G1ggy/Contribs |Contribs]]</sub> 02:54, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - see my comments for "geek", as Mike Selinker says. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 08:09, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
* Delete. What is crap doing on Wikipedia? --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 23:04, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' and end the madness. <b>[[User Talk:JzG|Guy]]</b> <small>([[User:JzG/help|Help!]])</small> 10:23, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
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===== Category:Wikipedian barefooters =====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''Speedy delete''', per [[WP:SNOW]]. '''<font color="#E2B14C">Ƙ</font><font color="#A20101">[[User:Krimpet|ɽ]]</font><font color="#E2B14C">ɨ</font><font color="#A20101">[[User talk:Krimpet|ɱ]]</font><font color="#E2B14C">ρ</font><font color="#A20101">[[Special:Contributions/Krimpet|ᶓ]]</font><font color="#E2B14C">ȶ</font>''' 23:47, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*[[:Category:Wikipedian barefooters]]
*'''Comment''' - listing for discussion. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 08:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. <del>Another empty category, with</del> a rather bizarre attempt to link barefoot people and barefoot (unshod) horses. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 16:56, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Is it possible to speedy all of the unpopulated categories jc37 has discovered? If they are empty, they aren't needed, unless they are being depopulated when they are nominated, which would be a bad thing. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 16:56, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' – This affiliation can be expressed via a userbox. There is no need for a category, as it does nothing to further collaboration. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 20:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as having no apparent collaborative merit, and is empty. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 08:12, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
* Delete. What is crap doing on Wikipedia? --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 23:04, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
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===== Category:Pregnant Wikipedians =====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''Speedy delete''', per [[WP:SNOW]]. '''<font color="#E2B14C">Ƙ</font><font color="#A20101">[[User:Krimpet|ɽ]]</font><font color="#E2B14C">ɨ</font><font color="#A20101">[[User talk:Krimpet|ɱ]]</font><font color="#E2B14C">ρ</font><font color="#A20101">[[Special:Contributions/Krimpet|ᶓ]]</font><font color="#E2B14C">ȶ</font>''' 23:47, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*[[:Category:Pregnant Wikipedians]]
*'''Comment''' - listing for discussion. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 08:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. <del>Unpopulated category,</del> transient condition. (Wikipedians who ''are'' pregnant would require removal from the group upon childbirth). [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 17:36, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' – This affiliation can be expressed via a userbox. There is no need for a category, as it does nothing to further collaboration. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 20:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete.''' Transient.--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 01:22, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - transient, unpopulated, not useful for collaboration. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 08:09, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
* Delete. What is crap doing on Wikipedia? --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 23:04, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
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===== Category:Wikipedians with low bone density =====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''Speedy delete''', per [[WP:SNOW]]. '''<font color="#E2B14C">Ƙ</font><font color="#A20101">[[User:Krimpet|ɽ]]</font><font color="#E2B14C">ɨ</font><font color="#A20101">[[User talk:Krimpet|ɱ]]</font><font color="#E2B14C">ρ</font><font color="#A20101">[[Special:Contributions/Krimpet|ᶓ]]</font><font color="#E2B14C">ȶ</font>''' 23:47, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*[[:Category:Wikipedians with low bone density]]
*'''Comment''' - listing for discussion. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 08:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete.''' I don't see how this category helps build an encyclopedia. – <span style="font-family: Garamond">[[User:Luna Santin|<font color="#1E90FF">'''Luna Santin'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Luna Santin|talk]])</span> 10:38, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. <del>Essentially unpopulated category.</del> One user in cat, now editing under another name, which is not a member of the cat. Not particularly encyclopedic, and no links to an article. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 17:44, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' – This affiliation can be expressed via a userbox. There is no need for a category, as it does nothing to further collaboration. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 20:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - has no apparent collaborative merit; I have asthma -- that doesn't make me an expert, or at all knowledgeable about it. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 08:10, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
* Delete. What is crap doing on Wikipedia? --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 23:04, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
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===== Category:Wikipedians who fear clowns =====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''Speedy delete''', per [[WP:SNOW]]. '''<font color="#E2B14C">Ƙ</font><font color="#A20101">[[User:Krimpet|ɽ]]</font><font color="#E2B14C">ɨ</font><font color="#A20101">[[User talk:Krimpet|ɱ]]</font><font color="#E2B14C">ρ</font><font color="#A20101">[[Special:Contributions/Krimpet|ᶓ]]</font><font color="#E2B14C">ȶ</font>''' 23:47, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*[[:Category:Wikipedians who fear clowns]]
*'''Comment''' - listing for discussion. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 08:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete.''' I don't see how this category helps build an encyclopedia. – <span style="font-family: Garamond">[[User:Luna Santin|<font color="#1E90FF">'''Luna Santin'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Luna Santin|talk]])</span> 10:38, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - doesn't meet any test [[User:Mikebar|Mikebar]] 14:44, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' <del>Unpopulated category</del> with no encyclopedic usage. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 16:57, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' – This affiliation can be expressed via a userbox. There is no need for a category, as it does nothing to further collaboration. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 20:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
* Delete. What is crap doing on Wikipedia? --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 23:04, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
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===== Category:Wikipedians with nits =====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''Speedy delete''', per [[WP:SNOW]]. '''<font color="#E2B14C">Ƙ</font><font color="#A20101">[[User:Krimpet|ɽ]]</font><font color="#E2B14C">ɨ</font><font color="#A20101">[[User talk:Krimpet|ɱ]]</font><font color="#E2B14C">ρ</font><font color="#A20101">[[Special:Contributions/Krimpet|ᶓ]]</font><font color="#E2B14C">ȶ</font>''' 23:47, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*[[:Category:Wikipedians with nits]]
*'''Comment''' - listing for discussion. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 08:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete.''' This doesn't seem terribly useful, to me, in terms of project work -- users looking to coordinate development of the [[nits]] article can use the talk page just fine. Not sure if this may have been affected, but the userbox which seems to have populated this category has very few transclusions -- very small user cats don't strike me as being useful, either, personally. – <span style="font-family: Garamond">[[User:Luna Santin|<font color="#1E90FF">'''Luna Santin'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Luna Santin|talk]])</span> 10:51, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' This is something that is trivial at best, transient and not useful for collaboration. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 16:59, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' – This affiliation can be expressed via a userbox. There is no need for a category, as it does nothing to further collaboration. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 20:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete.''' No idea how this is useful.--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 01:22, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - transient condition, no apparent collaborative merit here. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 08:11, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
* Delete. What is crap doing on Wikipedia? --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 23:04, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
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===June 15===
==== [[:Category:Wikipedians by parenthood]] ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''Delete all''' - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 09:42, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
This nomination also includes the following:
:{{lc|Childfree Wikipedians}}
:{{lc|Childless Wikipedians}}
:{{lc|Father Wikipedians}}
::{{lc|Grandfather Wikipedians}}
:::{{lc|Great-grandfather Wikipedians}}
:{{lc|Mother Wikipedians}}
::{{lc|Grandmother Wikipedians}}
:::{{lc|Great-grandmother Wikipedians}}
These user categories fail the requirement of "provid[ing] a foundation for effective collaboration" set forth in [[WP:NOT#MYSPACE|Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not]]. Most of the pages placed in the categories are there due to transclusions of various userboxes. I have no issue with the userboxes (Wikipedia editors are volunteers and thus deserve a lot of leeway as to what appears in their userspace), but the categories seem entirely unnecessary. The categories are too broad and non-specific to leave open the possibility of a likely correspondence between identity and interests. I think it's fair to say that biologist are more likely than others to be interested in editing articles related to biology, but I doubt a good case can be made that mothers are more likely than others to be interested in editing articles related to maternity. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 22:44, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete all''' - Presumably, most of these are a sub-group of [[:Category:Wikipedians who have had sex]] (plus [[:Category:Wikipedians who have adopted a child]], plus [[:Category:Wikipedians who do not have children]] - for whatever reason). Most of these sound like great userbox material to me, but I have to agree that there is little use for the categories. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 09:23, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' if users wish to self-identify, let them. It's not like it harms the project. -[[User:N|N]] 23:41, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
**Users can self-identify through various userboxes, which are not included in this deletion nomination. In fact, if anyone was to nominate them for deletion, I would oppose the nomination. The categories, however, serve no useful purpose and thus should not be retained per [[WP:NOT#SOCIALNET]]. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 00:12, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - absolutely no collaborative merit. Categories are not for personal self-identification; that's what your userpage is for. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 08:11, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
* More imbecilic crap. Delete. --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 00:05, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Strong keep''' - Being a father and grandfather mysef, I surely want to keep this one. [[User:Haggawaga - Oegawagga|-)-(-H- (|-|) -O-)-(-]] 11:50, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
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====Category:Wikipedians by language====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''speedy keep''' per this being a [[WP:POINT]] nomination. [[User:Ryan Postlethwaite|'''<font color="#000088">Ry<font color="#220066">an<font color="#550044"> P<font color="#770022">os<font color="#aa0000">tl</font>et</font>hw</font>ai</font>te</font>''']] 21:36, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I nominate [[:Category:Wikipedians by language]] and all its subcategories for deletion. Yes, that's all of the "Wikipedians by languages" categories maintained by [[WP:BABEL]]. As with so many categories nominated on this page, these too do not help the encyclopedia and push it in the direction of MySpace instead. In addition, speaking a language is an inherently political act, so the deletion of Category:Wikipedians by political issue, recently confirmed at [[Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 June 4]], can be taken as a strong precedent. —[[User:Angr|'''An''']][[User talk:Angr|''gr'']] 20:46, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Strong Keep'''. Wikipedia is a multi-language project. The classification of editors by language helps collaboration efforts related to translation (of sources or of other-language Wikipedia articles). So, these categories ''do'' help the encyclopedia. Also, speaking a language ''can'' be a political act, but it is false to state that it is ''inherently'' a political act. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 21:18, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
**Translation work is provided by [[WP:TRANSL]]; translators are found in [[:Category:Available translators in Wikipedia]]. The Babel categories are not used for that. Note especially that being able to speak a language does not imply being able to translate it. Translation takes some training, some skill, and some experience, not to mention the willingness to do the translation. —[[User:Angr|'''An''']][[User talk:Angr|''gr'']] 21:27, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*Wow. [[WP:POINT]] was just incinerated there. Um, '''Vociferous Oppose''', due to common sense. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 21:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
**What common sense? That it somehow helps the English language Wikipedia to know that one person speaks Welsh at a beginning level, while another speaks Moldovan at an intermediate level? No way. —[[User:Angr|'''An''']][[User talk:Angr|''gr'']] 21:27, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Strong Keep'''. Why don't we just delete all user categories then? This classification can help translation and interwiki relations. '''''[[User:Bibliomaniac15|<font color="black">bibliomaniac</font>]][[User talk:Bibliomaniac15|<font color="red">1</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Bibliomaniac15|<font color="blue">5</font>]]''''' <small>[[Wikipedia:Gnome Week|Join or die!]]</small> 21:26, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
**As I said above, [[:Category:Available translators in Wikipedia]] is the category for finding people to translate. The Babel categories aren't for that. They aren't for anything encyclopedic. —[[User:Angr|'''An''']][[User talk:Angr|''gr'']] 21:29, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Strong keep''' [[WP:POINT]]. -[[User:N|N]] 21:31, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
**No, it's not [[WP:POINT]]. Unlike the translator categories, which provide an encyclopedic service, these categories contribute only to the MySpacification of Wikipedia, as well as being potentially divisive and inflammatory. —[[User:Angr|'''An''']][[User talk:Angr|''gr'']] 21:33, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
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==== Newspeak categories ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''Merge all''' to [[:Category:Wikipedians who read Orwell]]. Based on the discussion below, This at least shouldn't be a sub-category of Wikipedians by language. (and has little to do with linguistics overall). If merged, it should then become a sub-cat of [[:Category:Wikipedians who read Orwell]]. However, that category doesn't exist! So anticipating a future nom to rename/upmerge by merging all to the [[George Orwell|Orwell]]-related category now. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 09:58, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
*[[:Category:User nws]]
*[[:Category:User nws-1]]
*[[:Category:User nws-2]]
*[[:Category:User nws-3]]
*[[:Category:User nws-4]]
*[[:Category:User nws-5]]
*[[:Category:User nws-N]]
**[[:Category:User ns]] (added before any !votes)
**[[:Category:User ns-1]] (added before any !votes)
"Newspeak"; another joke category whose inclusion in the Language section is doubleplusungood. I'd like to see a consensus where any language that does not have an ISO 639 categorization does not get a Wikipedia category. Articles about the language or dialect are fine, but we don't need six user cats for something that appeared in one book. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 20:11, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete All''' as nom. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 20:11, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Into the memory hole''', doubleplusunfacilitates wikicollab. <span style="font-family:serif;">—[[User:Ptkfgs|ptk]]✰[[User_talk:Ptkfgs|fgs]]</span> 04:55, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Doubleplusdelete''' - There will never be a Wikipedia in this language, so this isn't useful. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 08:13, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge all''' to [[:Category:Wikipedians who understand Newspeak]] - It has its own article, and is related to at least two other Orwellian works, and its article offers reference to topical cultural references such as soundbites, and so on. So collaboration usage isn't in doubt. But more than a single category is too much in this case. (You either understand it, or you don't.) One of these days I am going to get around to nominating the hordes of redundant duplicative (and/or babelised) userboxes for "merging" at [[WP:TFD]]. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 09:23, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
:*'''Comment''' I support the merge/rename/deBabelization if the category is moved out of [[:Category:Wikipedians by language]]. It really doesn't belong there, any more than the Internet Slang cat (which is up for deletion as well) belongs there. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 17:04, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
::*Found a target category. Merge into a single category entitled [[:Category:Wikipedians interested in Newspeak]] and move to a subcategory of [[:Category:Wikipedians interested in linguistics]], which is a much better fit. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 03:07, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - this is not a language, and serves absolutely no collaborative merit. ---[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 08:13, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*Please stop wasting our time on this trash. Just take it out and shoot it. --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 00:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Doubleplusunkeep'''. [[User:AgentPeppermint|AgentPeppermint]] 18:14, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' - per Jc37. A very reasonable solution—<font color='red'>[[User:Arf!|arf!]]</font> 08:51, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
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==== [[:Category:Wikipedians by gender]] ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''Delete''' - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 09:42, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
[[:Category:Wikipedians by gender]] and its three subcategories organise users by gender: male, female, and transgender. The categorisation of users seems to be almost exclusively the result of various userboxes, listed at the top of each subcategory's page. I think users should be allowed to identify their sex or gender via a userbox, especially since it can aid communication, prevent confusion in comments, and allow the avoidance of "he or she", "she or he", "s/he", "s(he)", and the like. However, I see no purpose to categorising users based on gender. It serves no encyclopedic end and deleting the categories (unlike deleting the userboxes) is not invasive. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 19:46, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as nom. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 19:46, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as per nom. This one is not controversial; nobody is going to seach for collaborators by gender. It's another case of userboxen linked with needless categorization. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 20:11, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' too broad. –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 21:23, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete all''' - Here's a fun one. Typically when we have 2 or 3 categories which together are all-inclusive, we would delete at least one, since it's typically a negative or "not" category. In this case, each is "positive cat to themselves, and a "not" category to the others. (This user is female, but not male or transgender; This user is male, but not female or transgender; This user is transgender, but not male or female.) While I can definitely see collaboration possibilities by "extension" (such as on women's rights issues, or even understanding first hand about pregnancy), these are just too "broad". Narrower categories should handle such collaboration benefits (per [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (precision)]]). - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 09:23, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete.''' While I generally support basic user data for categories, this is just too big.--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 01:22, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - serves no collaborative merit, at all. Incredibly vast self-identification category with no real merit. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 08:14, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', user categories should describe groups who will work together on a group of articles. What's the plan here, collaboration on all articles about males? <span style="font-family:serif;">—[[User:Ptkfgs|ptk]]✰[[User_talk:Ptkfgs|fgs]]</span> 23:45, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
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==== [[:Category:User ipa-N]] ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''Merge''' [[:Category:User ipa-N]] to [[:Category:User ipa-5]]. The rest weren't tagged, so the question of whether this should be babelised is open for future discussion. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 10:05, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
This category, by its Babel convention, is nonsensical, since nobody can claim to be a "native speaker" of a universal phonetics guide. However, considering the other cats on orthography, a strong case can be made for merging this into the already-existing [[:Category:User ipa-5]], which identifies the user as being able to contribute at an advanced level. The userboxen associated with both have the similar verbiage ("This user has a complete understanding of IPA" for the -5 cat; "These users fully understand the IPA" for the -N cat). [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 18:19, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' to [[:Category:User ipa-5]], as nom. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 18:19, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' per nom. I'm not even sure we need a 5-level, as that is reserved for a "professional" understanding. Also not sure these categories should even be in the babel system. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 19:46, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge all''' to [[:Category:User ipa]]. This is a language-related category, so using the babel naming convention would seem appropriate, though it only requires a single category and shouldn't be a "numbered" category. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 09:23, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge ipa-N to ipa-5''', but leave the rest as they are. People do have different levels of understanding IPA, for instance, one might roughly know the IPA chart for english but not the universal range of symbols, while another might know the whole alphabet but not be able to read it as "fluently" as a third. Numbered categories are helpful here. - '''[[User:Zeibura|<font face="Trebuchet MS" color="11CC11">Zeib<font color="CCCC11">ur<font color="CC1111">a</font></font></font>]]'''<sup>([[User talk:Zeibura|talk]])</sup> 22:18, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
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==== [[:Category:User fr-ca]] and [[:Category:User fr-qc]] ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''Delete''' [[:Category:User fr-ca]] (the other cat wasn't tagged). No prejudice against recreation, if it has a broader membership. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 10:11, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
The two categories are duplicative, and only two users are listed in fr-ca, which, despite its more general categorization, specifically refers to [[Quebec French]], not a general Canadian French, which could include [[Acadian French]]. Recommend merging [[:Category:User fr-ca]] to [[:Category:User fr-qc]]. (The question of whether we need fr-qc's six subcats is something that will be addressed in the future.) [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 16:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' as nom. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 16:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete both''' assuming there are no significant differences between this and French the rest of the world speaks, which I don't think there is. Merge if no consensus for this. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 19:46, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' The fate of these should be ruled by any precedent existing regarding local variants of a given language, like say, American English and British English. These variants differ from idiomatic French by a similar scope, even though they are for the most part mutually intelligible. To answer VegaDark, there is at least as much if not more difference between either Canadian French or Quebec French and idiomatic French than there is between British (idiomatic English) and American English--[[User:Ramdrake|Ramdrake]] 23:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
**I don't think we should even have "British English" and "American English" cats - they are both English, one category is good enough. It's rediculous to think someone would need to translate between the two, or any other regional dialect of English, which would be the purpose of the categories. The rule of thumb on these should be "Does the average speaker of language A need a translator to be able to understand a person speaking language B? If yes, then it deserves a category. If no, then it doesn't. Get rid of all these "Australian English", "Southern English", etc. categories. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 03:52, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
**See the rationale which has been discussed below at [[Wikipedia:User categories for discussion#Category:User en-us-ca and subcats.]] Some browsing through the ISO 639-3 data indicates that there are only 5 "recognized" variants of French (French, Cajun French, Picard, Walloon, and the extinct Zarphatic; no Quebecois, although it is noted as a dialect) and three of English (English, Scots, and Yinglish, which is by definition a secondary language). Part of the issue is that Wikipedia is written, not spoken, and while there may be notable differences between spoken American English and British English, the differences are relatively minor when using the more formal written form one is expected to use in Wikipedia. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 04:55, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*:Actually, there are ''many'' notable differences between different written forms of English. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 09:23, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - Well there are two members of [[:Category:User fr-ca]]. One uses [[Template:User fr-ca-1]], and the other uses [[User:Laverick Phoenix/fr-ca]]. The former, then, is in the wrong category (which I'll fix in a moment), and the latter then becomes the only member of the category. How about we sidestep the possibly controversial debate, and just '''Delete''', due to a single member, with no prejudice against it being recreated in the future if it gains 4 or more members? - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 09:23, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Users that enjoy King of the Hill]]====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''merge''' to [[:Category:Wikipedians who like King of the Hill]]. — Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]] · [[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 04:48, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
"Users" instead of "Wikipedians", redundant to the correctly named [[:Category:Wikipedians who like King of the Hill]]. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 10:46, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge/speedy merge''' to [[:Category:Wikipedians who like King of the Hill]] as nom. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 10:46, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Speedy Merge''' to [[:Category:Wikipedians who like King of the Hill]] - enjoy > like and Users > Wikipedians - per current convention. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 11:00, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Speedy Merge''' to duplicate category, as per nom. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 13:28, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Albanian Wikipedians]]====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''merge''' to [[:Category:Wikipedians in Albania]]. — Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]] · [[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 04:46, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Babel categories are supposed to be for languages, not stuff like this. Also redundant to [[:Category:Albanian Wikipedians]]. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 10:46, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Upmerge''' as nom. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 10:46, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' to [[:Category:Albanian Wikipedians]], per nom. (I wouldn't oppose renaming to [[:Category:Wikipedians from Albania]] and reverse-merging [[:Category:Wikipedians in Albania]], instead.) - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 11:00, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' [[:Category:Albanian Wikipedians]] to [[:Category:Wikipedians in Albania]]. The "from" convention appears to be less common than "in", although I think that "from" is a better wording. In any case, we should end up with only one category. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 13:28, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*:We've discussed the idea that ''eventually'' all the "...in ___location" categories should be renamed to "...from ___location", for various reasons. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 09:23, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*Is it just me or does the nomination still not make any sense? Anyway, '''merge''' with [[:Category:Wikipedians in Albania]] to the "from" variation if that convention has been established. –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 19:56, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
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==== [[:Category:User A.M.R. SL]] and [[:Category:User A.M.R. KB]] ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''Delete''' - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 09:42, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm not exactly sure what these categories are for, but the only pages in them are user subpages of [[User:A.M.R.]]. Does not look useful at all. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 10:46, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as nom. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 10:46, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - More eponymous user categories. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 11:00, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' vanity cats. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 13:28, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
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==== Internet Slang Categories ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''Delete all''' - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 10:18, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
*[[:Category:User IntS]]
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"These users speak internet slang" - Don't need babel categories for this. There will never be a Wikipedia written in internet slang. Not useful. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 10:46, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete all''' as nom. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 10:46, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge all'' to [[:Category:Wikipedians who understand internet slang]]. (Or, alternatively, "...who use...".) This is not a language. Even the [[Internet slang|article]] calls it ''[[jargon]]''. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 11:00, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
:*'''Comment''' I support the merge/rename/deBabelization if the category is moved out of [[:Category:Wikipedians by language]]. Like the newspeak category above, this doesn't belong in the language cat. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 17:07, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
::*Found a target category. Merge into a single category called [[:Category:Wikipedians interested in Internet Slang]] and move as a subcategory of [[:Category:Wikipedians interested in linguistics]], which is a much better fit. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 03:12, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''<del>Delete all'''. I think my feelings are clear on this topic (although see above comment). [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 13:28, 15 June 2007 (UTC)</del>
*'''Delete all''' - I think this category is mostly a joke. It's not a language, and I'm pretty sure most of the editors using this are not, in fact, interested in Linguistics. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 08:19, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
* More bilge. Stuff like this should just be speedied. --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 00:08, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
**Actually, I disagree for two reasons. First, speedy deleting any category may leave a lot of redlinks, making recreation of the category very likely. Second, "not useful" is a deletion criterion when it comes to categories, templates, and redirects, but I'm wary of it being a speedy deletion criterion, given the inherent subjectiveness of the term. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 00:15, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:User Katamari Fortissimo Damacy]]====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''delete'''. — Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]] · [[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 04:08, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
"This user listens to Katamari Fortissimo Damacy" - Unsuitable babel category. [[Katamari Fortissimo Damacy]] is a soundtrack and not even a band, so even if this were named properly I don't think this would be a suitable category, due to members only being able to collaborate on a single article. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 10:46, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as nom. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 10:46, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - This could be renamed to match other cats under [[:Category:Wikipedians who own albums]]? - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 11:00, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as per nom. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 13:28, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', useless and unhelpful in supporting the encyclopaedia. <b>[[User Talk:JzG|Guy]]</b> <small>([[User:JzG/help|Help!]])</small> 10:24, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
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==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who support NPOV]] ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''Delete''' - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 09:42, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Everyone should be in this category by default, as this is Wikipedia policy. Not useful as all-inclusive. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 01:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as nom. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 01:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', as per nom. This one's a no-brainer. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 02:57, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
* Good ol' All-Inclusive '''Delete''' - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 05:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
* Everybody should be in this one automatically. '''Remove category''' --[[User:Hdt83|<sub><font color="336611" ><b>Hdt83</b></font></sub>]] [[User talk:Hdt83|<sup><font color="blue" face="Arial"><b>Chat</b></font></sup>]] 05:30, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Cedar-Guardian|CG]] 21:53, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. This is sort of like a "duh" category. '''''[[User:Bibliomaniac15|<font color="black">bibliomaniac</font>]][[User talk:Bibliomaniac15|<font color="red">1</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Bibliomaniac15|<font color="blue">5</font>]]''''' <small>[[Wikipedia:Gnome Week|Join or die!]]</small> 21:57, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <small>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 18:09, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - if they don't they won't be Wikipedians for long. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 08:20, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
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====Category:Wikipedians who worked at WEGL====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''speedy delete''' per author request ([[WP:CSD#G7|CSD G7]]). -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 22:48, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
"Wikipedians who currently work at or have worked in the past at WEGL 91 FM, the campus radio station at Auburn University" - We don't need to categorize based on previous employment, let alone something as non-notable as this. Would set precedent for thousands of other useless categories if kept. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 01:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as nom. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 01:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as per nom. There are millions of employers out there, we don't need to open up that can of worms. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 02:57, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - I'm just imagining cats for every radio station... Every Fast-food establishment (McDonald's has hired ''how'' many employees?)... Or even Wal-Mart... - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 05:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' Imagine the possibilities... (don't even want to think about the huge mess of categories) --[[User:Hdt83|<sub><font color="336611" ><b>Hdt83</b></font></sub>]] [[User talk:Hdt83|<sup><font color="blue" face="Arial"><b>Chat</b></font></sup>]] 05:31, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Creator's Comment - Delete''' No problem. I'm OK with moving to speedy deletion. '''[[User:Dailynetworks|<font color="mediumblue">Mark</font> @ <font color="green">DailyNetworks</font>]]''' [[User_talk:Dailynetworks|<small>talk</small>]] 16:26, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
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==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who survived cancer]] ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''Keep''', but should not be considered a precedent for other categories. - The main debate seemed to be between what they (and others) call themselves - cancer survivors - and the concern about setting a "survivor" precedent. And there was no consensus to rename. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 10:32, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
It's great these people survived cancer, but we don't need a category for it. Sets precedent for other "survived" categories such as "Wikipedians who survived falling out of an airplane", which I don't think we want. Can't see how this category helps build Wikipedia, a userbox seems sufficient. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 01:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as nom. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 01:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*<del>'''Weak delete''' as per nom</del><u>'''Neutral''', as per Bladestorm's comment below.</u> This one seems to be a bit more justifiable, but I don't want to see some of its potential progeny. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 02:57, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - I think "survived" is besides the point. They've had [[cancer]], and, I would presume, may have a bit of an interest, and may know a bit about it. In terms of collaboration possibilities, experiencing cancer is absolutely no different than experiencing a specific ___location or alma mater or a sport, or a video game or whatever. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 05:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Strong Delete''': If we allow this, pretty soon we are going to have a whole bunch of disease categories... (Wikipedians with HIV, Tuberculoses, etc.) --[[User:Hdt83|<sub><font color="336611" ><b>Hdt83</b></font></sub>]] [[User talk:Hdt83|<sup><font color="blue" face="Arial"><b>Chat</b></font></sup>]] 05:33, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*:Actually, we already do. See [[:Category:Wikipedians by physiological condition]]. Also, perhaps the answer is to figure out a name to merge this and [[:Category:Wikipedians with Cancer]], besides the generic "interested in"... ("Wikipedians who have had cancer", similar to the "from ___location" categories?) - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 05:52, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Standardize, keep for now''' - Yes, this one was strongly modeled after similar boxes for other user boxes like psychological conditions. Some of those are downright scary. Ok, I'm all for having a consistent policy but you cannot vote cancer survivors out without getting rid of all medical condition boxes. It may also lend to the credentials of some authors in editing related articles. Besides, let's look at some others like Wikipedians who have Poodles and other fluff. I'd pick cancer as more important than pets or speaking California English any time. [[User:Mikebar|Mikebar]] 10:08, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
: Also the category meets 2 of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:VegaDark/Sandbox VegaDark principles for a good category]: '''Categories relating to an editor's areas of expertise''' - Including occupation, education, skills, known languages, and ''experience''. These categories are helpful because they show that the editor already has some "real life" knowledge on certain topics, and other editors may need that expertise to help them edit other articles on Wikipedia. '''Categories relating to interests that a user may want to edit''', same reasoning. [[User:Mikebar|Mikebar]] 10:22, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
:: Finally, you say just because you survive a disease it doesn't make you an expert. There is alot of expertise if you've come to learn a condition, as I have and have [http://www.lymphomainfo.net/lymphoma.html helped others] so if the strong disagree look into it, it could be pruned to conditional "experts" but that may be as subjective as all expertise in the wikipedia editing realm. Done. [[User:Mikebar|Mikebar]] 10:26, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
:::The difference between this and the other categories is that this is for people who ''survived'' (and implies recovery) of a ailment, wheras the others are for a current condition. As for your other points, yes, this is a personal experience, but writing based on that experience would be original research. Also the stuff in my sandbox is just a copy of the current UCFD proposed guideline page, I haven't had time yet to modify it to what I think the guidelines should actually be. They may be more likely to collaborate on cancer-related articles, however, so I could see a rename. I don't like the "Survived" part of this mostly, for the reason I brought up in the nom statement - We could start seeing "survived" categories for anything- Car accidents, being shot, any number of the hundreds of diseases out there. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 10:46, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
:::: I support any logical change but consider this: if you '''have'' cancer then you are a survivor and if you are in remission (or "cured") you are also a survivor but a survivor does not "have" cancer (it's gone) so you'd be reducing the group for no good reason, hence the inclusive "survived" encompasses stricken and cured both and that builds the enclucivity such a category would want to embrace. [[User:Mikebar|Mikebar]] 11:09, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::Presuming you meant inclusivity? Anyway, "survivor" is, of course, welcome in the userbox text. The problem here is that there are category ''structures'', and several editors are concerned that this may be considered "precedent", rather than an exception. This is why I suggested "...have had...", since I presume it would result in the same "inclusivity" that you'd like to see? - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 10:39, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. There's strength in numbers, and if people want to come together like this, ''how does it damage the project''? -[[User:N|N]] 11:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. This is just silly. How does it hurt the project? If you're worried about ''other'' possible future categories, rather than this actual one, then ''wait for those categories to show up and address them when the time comes''. But arguements to the tune of, "well, this one isn't so bad, but one in the future might be, so let's delete this one" don't hold any water. [[User:Bladestorm|Bladestorm]] 14:23, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
:*'''Comment''' That is a good point. Changed my vote above to '''Neutral'''. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 18:53, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. People who have survived cancer probably have researched about it, and have first hand experiences. I would say that it helps the project. '''''[[User:Bibliomaniac15|<font color="black">bibliomaniac</font>]][[User talk:Bibliomaniac15|<font color="red">1</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Bibliomaniac15|<font color="blue">5</font>]]''''' <small>[[Wikipedia:Gnome Week|Join or die!]]</small> 19:18, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. How does this ''help'' the project? If you want a userbox, have at it. But a category isn't necessary for cancer survivors to be able to find each other and it doesn't ensure well-written or properly sourced articles. Addressing [[:Category:Wikipedians who survived falling out of an airplane]] when it's created will be difficult to do when the Keep crowd points out that we kept Cancer survivors, so that sets a precedent. --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 19:38, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*:If that's the case, would you oppose some sort of rename, which would remove the word "survivor"? - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 09:23, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
::* How about ''Wikipedian Cancer Survivor'' - probably whay it should have been [[User:Mikebar|Mikebar]] 11:42, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. Seems like it helps the project. --- [[User:RockMFR|RockMFR]] 19:17, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
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==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who prefer Wikipedia over Citizendium]] ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''Delete''' - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 09:42, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
"I like X better than Y" categories are generally not useful. This isn't an exception. Sets precedent for any number of "prefer x over y" categories if kept. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 01:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as nom. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 01:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as per nom. Another no-brainer. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 02:57, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per [[Wikipedia:Userboxes#Content]] - since category names must follow the same restrictions as userboxes, per [[Wikipedia:Userboxes#Naming conventions (Wikipedian sub-categories)]]. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 05:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Comment as creator''' -- Delete if you want. I dont much care. Underpopulated anyway. I am still allowed to keep Userbox though, yes? [[User:Anonymous Dissident|<span style="font-family:Script MT Bold;color:DarkRed">Anonymous Dissident</span>]] [[User_talk:Anonymous Dissident|<sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:Gray">Talk</span></sup>]] 09:34, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
** Yup! No userboxen are deleted as a result of discussions on this page. --[[User talk:Iamunknown|Iamunknown]] 18:50, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Cedar-Guardian|CG]] 21:54, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no conceivable collaborative merit. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 08:18, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom—<font color='red'>[[User:Arf!|arf!]]</font> 08:54, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Wikipedians who are opposed to instant run-off voting]]====
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The result of the debate was '''depopulated and speedy deleted'''—[[User:Ryulong|<font color="blue">Ryūlóng</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryulong|<font color="gold">竜龍</font>]]) 08:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
All other political wikipedian categories have been speedy deleted and endorsed by deletion review, the only reason this got by was because it was uncategorized. Additionally, this category doesn't help Wikipedia at all. Let me also point out that this refers to instant run-off voting in the real world, not Wikipedia. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 01:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete/speedy delete''' as nom. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 01:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', as per nom. It's not a useful category, and it's potentially divisive. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 02:57, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - Just to clarify, the deletion "endorsed" was: "Wikipedians by political issue and sub-cats". - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 05:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
**Indeed. And if this were categorized properly at the time, this would have been in that category, and deleted along with the rest. If this ends up being kept, it would set a double standard. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 08:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:User:CWSensation]]====
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The result of the debate was '''speedy delete''', author request [[User:Sean William|Sean William]] [[User talk:Sean William|@]] 15:20, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Category for someone's userpages. Numerous similar categories have been deleted in the past, not useful, would set precedent for 4,640,333 other similar categories, one for each user. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 01:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as nom. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 01:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Speedy Delete''', it's a vanity category. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 02:57, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Speedy Delete''' - Eponymous category for a user, which ''should'' be a speedy deletion criteria. Else we might have: Category:Jc37's userpages or Category:Jc37's favourite articles : ) - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 05:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Speedy Delete''' - Hey, feel free. I hadn't seen any policy specifically against it, so was doing it for my own convenience. Hadn't considered the ramifications when I did it, and was even admittedly tired at the point that I created it...so by all means! :) --[[User:CWSensation|<span style="font-weight: bold; color: #336600;">CW</span><span style="font-weight: bold; color: #CC0000">Sensation</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:CWSensation|<span style="color: #330099;">t</span>]]</sup> 15:17, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
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==== [[:Category:Wikipedians who prefer HD DVD]] ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''Merge''' to [[:Category:Wikipedians who use HD DVD]]. There was no consensus for the merge target, so I picked current naming convention at [[:Category:Wikipedians by technology]]. Someone can tag/nominate the other one if they wish. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 10:25, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Another "prefer" category. [[:Category:Wikipedians who support HD DVD]] already exists, and we certainly don't need both categories. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 01:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' to [[:Category:Wikipedians who support HD DVD]] as nom. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 01:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''', as per nom. Duplicate category. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 02:57, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*<s>'''Merge''' per nom. Though I think that the target might be a suitable cantidate for deletion (or at least renaming - "who use"?) as well. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 05:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC)</s>
**I'd agree to that, just wanted to get this category out of the way first. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 07:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' redundant category. --[[User:Hdt83|<sub><font color="336611" ><b>Hdt83</b></font></sub>]] [[User talk:Hdt83|<sup><font color="blue" face="Arial"><b>Chat</b></font></sup>]] 05:34, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' but to ''Wikipedians who prefer HD DVD''. "Support" doesn't make as much sense. If nothing else, 'Support' is saying who you want to win in some battle. 'Prefer' is saying which you personally choose. The former is divisive. The latter is not. [[User:Bladestorm|Bladestorm]] 14:20, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*:Actually "prefer" implies comparison, and can be considered "divisive" as well. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 14:33, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*::Even if so, it's certainly far ''less'' divisive than to actively root for one side or the other. At the very least, support is external and preference is internal, no? If possible, I'd like every "Merge" vote to say ''which'' name they want to merge to. [[User:Bladestorm|Bladestorm]] 15:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' to ''Wikipedians who prefer HD DVD'' for the reasons stated by Blade. [[User:TJ Spyke|TJ Spyke]] 22:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - I don't think the target category is all that appropriate, I just thought the first category was a little worse - How about we merge both to [[:Category:Wikipedians interested in HD DVD]]? [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 03:41, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*:The current convention of [[:Category:Wikipedians by technology]] and it's sub-cats (and sub-sub-cats) is "Wikipedians who use...". - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 09:23, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Rename/Merge both''' to [[:Category:Wikipedians who use HD DVD]]. We'll have to nominate the other cat separately, or relist this discussion to include it, otherwise, just rename this one for now, until the other is nominated. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 09:23, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. This is a myspace-style grouping, not something which would help in building an encyclopedia. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <small>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 18:13, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' both. No purpose. --- [[User:RockMFR|RockMFR]] 19:15, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
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===June 14===
==== [[:Category:User el?]] ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''Delete''' - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 07:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
*[[:Category:User el?]] translates as "This user does not understand Greek." This should have been nuked with all of the -0 Babel cats, but because of its nonstandard construction, apparently was missed. '''Delete''' as per precedent. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 00:52, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - Nonsense babel category level. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 01:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - "not" category. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 05:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', I'm getting better at it [[User:Mikebar|Mikebar]] 10:53, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', Although the userbox is humorous and I think it should be kept (as it happens with the Klingon language or the userbox "I am a Jedi" and many others), I don't think it constitutes a category... [[User:OP8|OP8]] 02:05, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
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==== [[:Category:User en-us-ca]] and subcats.====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''Merge all''' to [[:Category:User en-us-ca]]. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 07:53, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:[[:Category:User en-us-ca]] (Wikipedians who speak Californian English). Has six subcats, including one that is not formatted like the others. Do we really need this many cats/subcats for what is, at most, a regional dialect? The userbox is fine, but the Babel-style cats are more needless splintering. Recommend '''Delete All'''. I will see what we get for consensus here before submitting the next batch; the English language cats are a fine source of fussy categorizations and bizarre subcats. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 16:58, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - I've been a proponent of deleting most of these regional dialect categories for a while now. The purpose of the babel category system is to find others who speak a language, you will never need to do this for something such as "Californian English". We should only keep dialect babel categories if the dialect is significantly different from the main language, enough so that seeking out someone who is familiar with that dialect would actually be worthwhile. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 19:51, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Dude, keep'''. Helps me bond with other, like, people from my state on the project, man. -[[User:N|N]] 22:06, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
:*That is what {{tl|User California}} is for. It sorts people who are in or from California for collaboration purposes, and it even has its own nifty little userbox, if that's your sort of thing. Babel categorization is unwieldy even without irrelevant categories; adding more is just throwing chaff in the radar. I have no problem with sorting by ___location (check my user page and you'll see that), but this is not, IMO, the appropriate way. YMMV. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 22:38, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge all''' to [[:Category:User en-us-ca]]. I don't think we need a babel breakdown for regional dialects, but I ''do'' think that a single cat for such dialects is "useful and appropriate". There's a difference between living in a ___location, and speaking the dialect. Ask any Scotsman who's moved to London : ) - And I will "Weak oppose" spelling out the cat name. It's a language (or at least a language dialect), so no reason to not use the babel formatting convention. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 23:03, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
**In what scenerio would a user actually seek out someone in this category for any purpose that would help the encyclopedia, that seeking out someone in any of the regular en categories wouldn't accomplish? [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 01:17, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
***This speaks to the next round of deletions I was planning to propose. The [[:Category: user en]] cat has a huge number of sub-cats that deal with regionalization, by country (Ireland and its two subcats, US and its six subcats, Canada and its four subcats, Australia and its ''eight'' subcats, Great Britain, which is tucked into EN-3), by parts of countries (California and its six subcats, New York and its recursive subcat, New England and its recursive subcat, Liverpool/Merseyside) and by other factors ("Lazy English" and its six subcats, "Mixed English"). For those keeping track, that is 51 subcats for '''one''' language, and nobody has yet created English language cats for India, New Zealand, South Africa, or any of the other former crown colonies, not to mention Scotland and Wales. All of these might make interesting userboxes, and a case can be made for country cat (one for each) for the nations, but the regional categories have no useful function; people are not going to search through the "I speak New England" category when looking for someone with whom to work on an article. I chose the California one because I (mistakenly) believed that it was not a particularly controversial category with which to start. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 02:43, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' Totally fer sure [[User:Mikebar|Mikebar]] 10:55, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
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=== June 13 ===
==== Category:Wikipedians who visit countries ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''Delete''' - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 00:55, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:[[:Category:Wikipedians who visit countries]] - Well, I suppose it ''could'' be more vague (''Category:Wikipedians who visit places''), but not much. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 06:30, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - as nominator. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 06:30, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' along with the 4 subcategories. Millions of people have visited different countries, we don't really need to categorize this. "Wikipedians interested in country x" would be far more useful. I've visited Mexico and Canada, but I'm not interested in collaborating on those articles. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 07:44, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' vague category and non-defining subcategories. [[User:Doczilla|Doczilla]] 09:53, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per VegaDark. [[User:ElinorD|ElinorD]] [[User talk:ElinorD|(talk)]] 10:09, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. VegaDark nailed it. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 17:21, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. '''''[[User:Bibliomaniac15|<font color="black">bibliomaniac</font>]][[User talk:Bibliomaniac15|<font color="red">1</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Bibliomaniac15|<font color="blue">5</font>]]''''' <small>[[Wikipedia:Gnome Week|Join or die!]]</small> 17:23, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' Too broad a category. Lots of people visit countries. --[[User:Hdt83|<sub><font color="336611" ><b>Hdt83</b></font></sub>]] [[User talk:Hdt83|<sup><font color="blue" face="Arial"><b>Chat</b></font></sup>]] 01:20, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no conceivable collaborative merit. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 08:18, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' Disagree with the nom, visiting a certain place is actually less indiscriminate than a country :-). [[User:Malc82|Malc82]] 23:02, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - outstandingly fatuous. [[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:white; background-color:maroon">''''' ← Roger → '''''</span>]] <sup><font color="blue">[[User talk:Roger Davies|''TALK'']]</font></sup> 23:15, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
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====Category:Wikipedians in Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''rename'''. — Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]] · [[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 04:25, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Moved here, as correct forum for discussion, from [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 June 13#Category:Wikipedians in Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania to Category:Wikipedians in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern]]. I have '''no opinion''' on the merits of the request. [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]] 21:30, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Wikipedians in Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania]] {{lc1|Wikipedians in Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania}} to [[:Category:Wikipedians in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern]] - This follows the renaming of, for example, the [[Mecklenburg-Vorpommern]] article (as discussed [[Talk:Mecklenburg-Vorpommern#Requested_move|here]]). The proposed name is both shorter and more precise. --[[User:Rimshots|'''<font color="#333377">rimshots</font>''']]<sup>''[[User talk:Rimshots|talk]]''</sup> 15:19, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' to match article name. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 07:44, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' as per Rimshots. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 17:22, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
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====Random Babbling Cats====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''Delete''' - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 00:55, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
*[[:Category:User rn]]
*[[:Category:User rn-N]]
:"This user is a '''[[:Category:User rn-N|native]]''' speaker of '''[[:Category:User rn|Random Babbling]]'''." - This should be self-explanatory : ) - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 16:48, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as nominator. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 16:48, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' with extreme prejudice and salt. Babbling, indeed. [[User:Horologium|Horologium]] <small>[[User talk:Horologium|t]]-[[Special:contributions/Horologium|c]]</small> 18:25, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Obvious delete both''' - Amazed this got past me for so long. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 18:56, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
*Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia '''d'''eserunt '''e'''st '''l'''aborum '''e'''u '''t'''empor '''e'''exercitation. –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 21:37, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
*''Phn'glui mglwnafth R'lyeh'' '''Delete''' ''fthagn wathgn''.--[[User:7Kim|7Kim]] 22:13, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' without the unnecessary babbling. '''''[[User:Bibliomaniac15|<font color="black">bibliomaniac</font>]][[User talk:Bibliomaniac15|<font color="red">1</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Bibliomaniac15|<font color="blue">5</font>]]''''' <small>[[Wikipedia:Gnome Week|Join or die!]]</small> 22:28, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Ðëlété''' рĕŕ ńơm.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] 04:15, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Strong delete''' How is babbling going to help out Wikipedia? We're going to look like fools if we go around babbling... --[[User:Hdt83|<sub><font color="336611" ><b>Hdt83</b></font></sub>]] [[User talk:Hdt83|<sup><font color="blue" face="Arial"><b>Chat</b></font></sup>]] 05:36, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Gibber gerrna''' - fluurgal urpts an ibbeya polllo retasss ratyp erna dinkut. (Strong Delete for all the above reasons. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 08:17, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''<s>Spoon</s> Delete''', "native" makes no sense, how exactly can one be brought up randomly babbling? - '''[[User:Zeibura|<font face="Trebuchet MS" color="11CC11">Zeib<font color="CCCC11">ur<font color="CC1111">a</font></font></font>]]'''<sup>([[User talk:Zeibura|talk]])</sup> 22:12, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
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