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I think that we should ditch the classification by century, since the dividing lines are artificial. For instance, most of Isaac Newton's work was done in the late 17th century, and he contributed to the 18th. Might I suggest that we go either for a straight chronological order (by birth, or death but pick one) or alphabetical by last name. If we decide not to ditch the century categories, at least order the names within the categories. --BlackGriffen<span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/165.123.179.188|165.123.179.188]] ([[User talk:165.123.179.188|talk]]) 15:43, 25 February 2002 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP -->

:I tried to do the alternative 'sorting' of physicists according to their [[Lev Davidovich Landau|Landau]] like 'influence classes' but I've failed and the article was abandonded. --[[User:XJamRastafire|XJamRastafire]]<small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added by [[User:XJaM|XJaM]] ([[User talk:XJaM|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/XJaM|contribs]]) 02:58, 25 January 2003 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Undated -->

:They're now all sorted by DOB, except for the 20th century ones who are sorted by name. There were a few mistakes which I just fixed. The century headings were inserted at arbitrary locations into the sorted list. Resorting the 20th century physicists by DOB and removing the headings is probably a good idea.-- [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] 07:01 25 Jul 2003 (UTC)

How long do we want this list to be? Is [[Carl-Gustav Arvid Rossby]] a [[physicist]]? He's usually thought of as a [[meteorologist]]. List could get very long. [[User:Cutler|Cutler]] 17:16, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)

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::: Buckminster Fuller actually claimed credit for pointing out to Einstein that the A-bomb was possible. But Einstein wrote Roosevelt. That's enough. Yes, Einstein can be blamed. When he was asked to be President of Israel he also refused, that might have sorted out another mess before it got started. But no. His curiosity made millions suffer to this day, maybe billions by the time all the bombs have gone off.

::::If Einstein would not exist those times atomic bombs for sure would be built -- but it is a question if [[General relativity]] would be known today? That is his influence I was speaking. But no, someone has his own opinion... --[XJam]

::Simple as that. Just like Newton, Hawking, ..., man. This is a great effort for me. To devote your life for such 'nonsensical' things -- don't you think. Physicists can't also simply be named creeps. Where do you get such terms? --[[User:XJamRastafire|XJamRastafire]]

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== Sorting? ==

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Despite previous efforts there seems to be no consistent sorting/grouping happing on this page. Actually, it appears to be more or less alphabetically sorted within century, but which century someone gets placed in is not consistent. I say we '''ditch the chronological ordering''' and go with a '''straight alphabetical listing'''. This would at least be consistent with the [[List of mathematicians]]. Any takers? -- [[User:Fropuff|Fropuff]] 20:30, 2004 Mar 15 (UTC)

:I vote for ''straight alphabetical listing'' [[User:Cutler|Cutler]] 00:05, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)Me to<span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/220.238.121.181|220.238.121.181]] ([[User talk:220.238.121.181|talk]]) 22:25, 18 August 2005 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP -->

=== Alphabetical listing, physicists beginning "A" have all disappeared ===

I think that we should ditch the classification by century, since the dividing lines are artificial. For instance, most of Isaac Newton's work was done in the late 17th century, and he contributed to the 18th. Might I suggest that we go either for a straight chronological order (by birth, or death but pick one) or alphabetical by last name. If we decide not to ditch the century categories, at least order the names within the categories. --BlackGriffen

i don't believe that there have been no living physicists whose surnames begin with A! [[User:Lkcl|Lkcl]] ([[User talk:Lkcl|talk]]) 12:43, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

:I tried to do the alternative 'sorting' of physicists according to their [[Lev Davidovich Landau|Landau]] like 'influence classes' but I've failed and the article was abandonded. --[[User:XJamRastafire|XJamRastafire]]

== Date format ==

:They're now all sorted by DOB, except for the 20th century ones who are sorted by name. There were a few mistakes which I just fixed. The century headings were inserted at arbitrary locations into the sorted list. Resorting the 20th century physicists by DOB and removing the headings is probably a good idea.-- [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] 07:01 25 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Some dates were given in [[Common Era|BCE]] format rather than [[Anno Domini|BC]]. I've changed them all to BC for the simple reason that apart from people in the [[USA]] and [[Canada]] not many people really know what BCE means; it is hardly used outside North America. So this is not a political or POV statement, it is merely using terminology that the majority of people recognise. If BCE ever supplants BC as the dominant style then that would be the time to change - I would humbly suggest. See [[Anno Domini]] for a discussion of this.

[[User:Arcturus|Arcturus]] 19:08, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

== Einstein ==

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Somebody changed Einstein from

How long do we want this list to be? Is [[Carl-Gustav Arvid Rossby]] a [[physicist]]? He's usually thought of as a [[meteorologist]]. List could get very long. [[User:Cutler|Cutler]] 17:16, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)

[[Albert Einstein]] — Germany, Switzerland, USA ([[1879]]–[[1955]]

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== Sorting? ==

to

Despite previous efforts there seems to be no consistent sorting/grouping happing on this page. Actually, it appears to be more or less alphabetically sorted within century, but which century someone gets placed in is not consistent. I say we '''ditch the chronological ordering''' and go with a '''straight alphabetical listing'''. This would at least be consistent with the [[List of mathematicians]]. Any takers? -- [[User:Fropuff|Fropuff]] 20:30, 2004 Mar 15 (UTC)

:I vote for ''straight alphabetical listing'' [[User:Cutler|Cutler]] 00:05, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)

[[Albert Einstein]] — German-born Jewish ([[1879]]–[[1955]]).

I think the first was better. We don't write

[[Isaac Newton]] — English born Christian (1642–1727)

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== Date format ==

Happy to discus though. --[[User:Bucephalus|Bucephalus]] [[User talk:Bucephalus|<small>talk to me</small>]] 20:37, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Some dates were given in [[BCE]] format rather than [[BC]]. I've changed them all to BC for the simple reason that apart from people in the [[USA]] and [[Canada]] not many people really know what BCE means; it is hardly used outside North America. So this is not a political or POV statement, it is merely using terminology that the majority of people recognise. If BCE ever supplants BC as the dominant style then that would be the time to change - I would humbly suggest. See [[Anno Domini]] for a discussion of this.

:I like the first better, too, because it better reflects the three countries that have variously tried to lay claim to him. &mdash; [[User:Laurascudder|Laura Scudder]] | [[User talk:Laurascudder|Talk]] 00:21, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

[[User:Arcturus|Arcturus]] 19:08, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

== [[Lance Boyer]] ==

Somebody has added [[Lance Boyer]], a red link. Fine if he is a real and notable physicist who will, in the long run, get an article, but I can't find any verification. Google is not helpful. Can anyone provide a source showing this person exists. I've left it in for now. --[[User:Bucephalus|Bucephalus]] 17:15, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

*As nobody replyed I've removed the entry. --[[User:Bucephalus|Bucephalus]] 23:43, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

:I would say that if we can't find in scholar.google.com that the redlinked person has ever published in a physics journal that we should go ahead and delete. [[User:Chaiken|Alison Chaiken]] 03:32, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

==Missing physicists==

I notice that not even all the physics Nobelists with existing articles are listed here. When I have a chance, I'll add some more. We should try to make a more complete list if we're going to have the article at all. Which raises the question, why isn't this a category instead? [[User:Chaiken|Alison Chaiken]] 05:53, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

:This article has also attracted the addition of lots of joke entries lately. I'll try to keep a better eye on it. &mdash; [[User:Laurascudder|Laura Scudder]] [[User talk:Laurascudder|&#9742;]] 15:39, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

::I decided while I was at it to purge the redlinked entries altogether. Many are in fact real physicists, but since this list is supposed to function partly as a navigation tool on Wikipedia, I think that they should have articles before being listed here. &mdash; [[User:Laurascudder|Laura Scudder]] [[User talk:Laurascudder|&#9742;]] 15:44, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

:::I strongly suspect that some of the entries may not be physicists at all, but I don't have the energy to check them all right now. Thanks as always for your efforts! [[User:Chaiken|Alison Chaiken]] 03:30, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

::: that arbitrary and unilateral decision unfortunately completely destroyed the efforts of many people to add legitimate entries that happen not to have wikipedia pages, such as Halima Abramowicz (see another section in this talk page). if that arbitrary and unilateral decision is to be enforced, then this page might as well not exist *at all* as it would be absolutely no different from the Category:Physicists page. [[User:Lkcl|Lkcl]] ([[User talk:Lkcl|talk]]) 12:52, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

== WikiProject class rating==

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. [[User:BetacommandBot|BetacommandBot]] 09:59, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

== timeline? ==

can we make a timeline list here? and then sort either alphabetically or by time? does wikipedia already have a tool to support this kind of sorting?

[[Special:Contributions/216.80.119.92|216.80.119.92]] ([[User talk:216.80.119.92|talk]]) 02:40, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

it does have: [[List_of_countries_by_population]]

[[Special:Contributions/216.80.119.92|216.80.119.92]] ([[User talk:216.80.119.92|talk]]) 23:36, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

== should this page be a category instead? ==

that would solve the [[Talk:List_of_physicists#Missing_physicists|Missing_physicists]] problem, as placing a cat tag on their pages would do the work.

[[Special:Contributions/216.80.119.92|216.80.119.92]] ([[User talk:216.80.119.92|talk]]) 02:42, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

:There is already the [[:Category:Physicists]] and a large number of subcategories. Having a list allows us to include physicists such as Abramowicz, who don't yet have a Wikipedia article. -[[User:David Schaich|David Schaich]] <small>^{[[User talk:David Schaich|Talk]]}/_{[[Special:Contributions/David_Schaich|Cont]]}</small> 01:36, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

:: well... it would... if the entire "A" section hadn't disappeared! :) [[User:Lkcl|Lkcl]] ([[User talk:Lkcl|talk]]) 12:46, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

:: btw which one are you referring to? http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/User:Marek_A._Abramowicz or halina? http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ex/9903037 <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Lkcl|Lkcl]] ([[User talk:Lkcl|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lkcl|contribs]]) 12:49, 12 January 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Selection criteria==

I'm moving here a note added to the article by {{user|Fredkinfollower}}, since I think it merits discussion. Also, it's currently commented out and likely to be overlooked by most readers and editors of the article itself.

{{cquote|NOTE: Nobel laureates should be marked. Wolf laureates who have not won Nobel prizes should be marked. All other prizes should not be marked. This list is for famous physicists only. This list should not be a directory of physicists. An entry for a contemporary physicist who is not at the level of a Nobel or Wolf laureate should probably be deleted.}}

I don't have any problem with marking prize recipients (perhaps with superscript symbols after their names, which might be easier to spot?), and we do need to determine [[WP:LSC|selection criteria]] for the list. However, I think including only Nobel or Wolf laureates (or people likely to become Nobel or Wolf laureates) is too limiting. If nothing else, such lists already exist, at [[List of Nobel laureates in Physics]] (a featured list) and [[Wolf Prize in Physics]].

In addition to Nobel and Wolf laureates, I think recipients of other notable awards merit inclusion, for instance the [[Sakurai Prize]] in theoretical particle physics and comparable awards in other fields. I would also be inclined to include [[:Category:Fellows of the American Physical Society|Fellows of the American Physical Society]] and others who have received comparable recognition. Would we be able to get any guidance on selection criteria from [[List of mathematicians]], [[List of statisticians]], or other similar articles? -[[User:David Schaich|David Schaich]] <small>^{[[User talk:David Schaich|Talk]]}/_{[[Special:Contributions/David_Schaich|Cont]]}</small> 22:16, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

== [[Nikola Tesla]] and Boskovic ==

As it is criteria for the place of birth to write just nowadays country I deliberately changed place of birth for [[Nikola Tesla]] (it was totally wrong and false "Serbia", as we know he was born in [[Lika]], Croatia) and for Rudjer Boskovic (it was written [[Dubrovnik]], that is a city as we know it is in Croatia) into Croatia as places of birth for those two scientists. Please, I appeal to you to prevent false and malicious, politically motivated abuses. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Pavlemocilac|Pavlemocilac]] ([[User talk:Pavlemocilac|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pavlemocilac|contribs]]) 23:48, 11 January 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== [[John Hagelin]] anonymous delete ==

I added John's name to the list and someone logged on simply to delete the entry. Should people who contributed to physics early in life but went on to other careers later on be included in the list? Why or why not?[[User:Sparaig2|Sparaig2]] ([[User talk:Sparaig2|talk]]) 15:38, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

==Gustave Le Bon==

I would like to recommend Le Bon due to his Book about "The evolution of matter" (wherein he talks about the physics of atoms of and the electrons of electricity without reference to Einstein (Published 1905).[[User:WFPM|WFPM]] ([[User talk:WFPM|talk]]) 01:57, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

== Bob Lazar ==

What kind of an idiotic joke was this? Bob Lazar was listed in a list of physicists?

That was either vandalism to the page or advances the utter lack of credibility of Wikipedia. Or both.

[[Special:Contributions/75.32.60.106|75.32.60.106]] ([[User talk:75.32.60.106|talk]]) 02:06, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

==Needed Categorization==

Areas

 - Quantum Physics

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==Missing==

[https://www.aps.org/programs/honors/prizes/prizerecipient.cfm?first_nm=Fumihiko&last_nm=Takasaki&year=2016 Fumihiko Takasaki]

Female Jewish cosmologist living in Venice with theory on the Universe as a wave function, she was in BBC Horizon Programme about edge theories in physics and cosmology which is no longer available.<span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/81.174.241.153|81.174.241.153]] ([[User talk:81.174.241.153|talk]]) 17:28, 14 November 2016 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP -->

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