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: This small piece of land is perhaps the most crowded piece of real estate on the planet and is home to about a million Palestinians. Most of these people lived in other parts of Palestine prior to the Naqba (the establishment of the state of Israel), when they had to flee. These Palestinians have not been allowed to return to their home villages, in violation of international law, in particular the fourth Geneva convention.

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: While it is popular to describe the Gaza Strip as crowded, it has about the same population as Manhattan Island on a piece of land that is more than 7 times as large. And Manhattan is filled up with offices, highways, and parks. The daytime population of Manhattan is much larger, of course, as workers come in for the day. Gaza is also about twice the size of Washington DC, which has a population more than twice as large as the Gaza Strip. The above paragraph contains the common myth about Gaza.

== Clarification needed ==

: Recently, Israel has established settlements (or colonies as Palestinans call them) inside the Gaza strip. Although home to only a few thousand people, large parts of the Gaza strip have been reserved for them. This has worsened the situation of the Palestinians yet further.

The article says there is a genocide going on, but it also says the population is getting bigger. Both of these things can't be true. The article needs to be corrected one way or the other. [[User:Nicole Wallace from Australia|Nicole Wallace from Australia]] ([[User talk:Nicole Wallace from Australia|talk]]) 07:55, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

The questions of refugees and settlements have been discussed at length in other articles, it is redundant to state them here (as opposed to linking) and have to argue about them again. --[[User:Uriyan|Uri]]

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Uriyan -- I have moved some of the points of the above text back in, but have tried to stick to objective facts about the history and demographics of Gaza, and avoided politico-legal issues like the Geneva Conventions. I partly agree with you -- this page is not the place for detailed discussion about the general issue of Palestinan refugees or Israeli settlements. However, it still should mention basic demographic facts, such as how many Palestinians and settlers are there, how much land there is, how much land per capita each uses, how did so many Palestinians end up in such a small area (refugees from 1948 war -- arguments about exactly why they left can be left for elsewhere.) -- [[user:SJK|SJK]]

:The definition of that word is not easy to pin down; many international organizations offer their own views, but population size alone is not determative. The Uyghurs, for example, are not usually being killed, but many define that as genocide.

Shouldn't we move the country table to the entry on the [[Palestinian Authority]]? Otherwise, we would end up with two different tables for the Palestinian entity (which probably will become an independent nation witin 5 years). I have no objection to the content; I just don't want readers who visit Wikipedia to imagine that Gaza and the West Bank are two different nations. Rather, they are semi-autonomously controlled regions under Israeli administration that soon likely will fuse into one independent nation. [[User:RK|RK]]

:https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037

:Also, presumably intent is important.

:The main Wikipedia article on Uyghurs states: “The policies have drawn widespread condemnation, with some characterizing them as a genocide. In an assessment by the UN Human Rights Office, the United Nations (UN) stated that China's policies and actions in the Xinjiang region may be crimes against humanity, although it did not use the term genocide.” [[Special:Contributions/2601:645:C601:6010:1834:4AAA:C4E4:578A|2601:645:C601:6010:1834:4AAA:C4E4:578A]] ([[User talk:2601:645:C601:6010:1834:4AAA:C4E4:578A|talk]]) 23:53, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

:It doesn't say that the population is getting bigger. The first source mentioning the population in the lead is [https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-population-down-by-6-since-start-war-palestinian-statistics-bureau-2025-01-01/ this Reuters article], stating that the total population has declined by 6% since the start of the war. I'll add the percentage decrease to the sentence using this source to clarify that the population is in decline. [[User:JasonMacker|JasonMacker]] ([[User talk:JasonMacker|talk]]) 00:06, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

== Requested move 29 April 2025 ==

: Robert, your optimism inspires me! Five years - I would have estimated more like fifty. May it come to pass as you predict! :)

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: I'm in two minds about your suggestion. I don't have a problem with there being duplicated info in [[West Bank]] - after all, only some info would be duplicated - the West Bank has a different area and population density, for example. I think [[Hong Kong]] is a good example of a broadly similar situation... [[User:MyRedDice|Martin]]

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The result of the move request was: '''no consensus.''' Closing this as no consensus - whilst NOTAVOTE, there are currently 16 supports and 14 opposes, with supporters claiming [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]] as the main reason, and opposers claiming long-term significance, both arguments are based on policy, and both make a good point. This has been open for nearly 2 months now, and consensus does not look any closer to being reached. <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Closure by a page mover|closed by non-admin page mover]])</small> [[User:CoconutOctopus|<span style="color: purple">CoconutOctopus</span>]] [[User talk:CoconutOctopus|<span style="color: pink">talk</span>]] 10:55, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

: I removed the president and PM, because while in some sense Arafat is the president of the strip, in another sense Sharon is, and in a third sense, nobody is. So it seems misleading to just say President=Sharon. I think the rest of the info can stay... [[User:MyRedDice|Martin]]

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* [[:Gaza Strip]] → {{no redirect|Gaza}}

==Palestinian Refugees==

* [[:Gaza]] → {{no redirect|Gaza (disambiguation)}}

– The Gaza Strip is the [[WP:MAINTOPIC]] for the word "Gaza". See [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Gaza+Strip%2CGaza+city%2CGaza+Governorate&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&case_insensitive=true&corpus=en&smoothing=3 the ngrams] <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">[[Special:Contributions/Abo_Yemen|<span style="color:#000">𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨</span>]]&nbsp;[[User:Abo Yemen|<span style="color:#CD0000">Abo Yemen</span>]] ([[User talk:Abo Yemen|<span style="color:#000">𓃵</span>]])</span> 11:17, 29 April 2025 (UTC) <small>—&nbsp;'''''Relisting.'''''&nbsp;[[User:Steel1943|<span style="color:#AF601A;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 20:03, 15 June 2025 (UTC)</small>

:<small>Note: [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Western Asia|WikiProject Western Asia]], [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Palestine|WikiProject Palestine]], and [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geography|WikiProject Geography]] have been notified of this discussion. <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">[[Special:Contributions/Abo_Yemen|<span style="color:#000">𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨</span>]]&nbsp;[[User:Abo Yemen|<span style="color:#CD0000">Abo Yemen</span>]] ([[User talk:Abo Yemen|<span style="color:#000">𓃵</span>]])</span> 11:18, 29 April 2025 (UTC)</small>

*'''Oppose''' Not seeing a primary topic between the Gaza Strip and [[Gaza City]]. The city also arguably has even more longterm significance since it is ancient, while the Gaza Strip is a relatively recent delineation. [[User:Zxcvbnm|ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ]] ([[User talk:Zxcvbnm|ᴛ]]) 11:44, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

*:What are you basing your opinion on? <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">[[Special:Contributions/Abo_Yemen|<span style="color:#000">𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨</span>]]&nbsp;[[User:Abo Yemen|<span style="color:#CD0000">Abo Yemen</span>]] ([[User talk:Abo Yemen|<span style="color:#000">𓃵</span>]])</span> 12:08, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

*'''Oppose'''. The ancient city has far greater long-term significance than the modern polity. -- [[User:Necrothesp|Necrothesp]] ([[User talk:Necrothesp|talk]]) 13:43, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' per long-term significance. [[User:Srnec|Srnec]] ([[User talk:Srnec|talk]]) 20:35, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

* '''Support''', recent news coverage has made it quite clear that "Gaza" is now strongly linked with the Gaza Strip as a whole, and the strip is the [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]] for the name "Gaza" in respect to usage. This usage also affects linked terms such as "Gazans", which refers to people from the entire strip rather than just the city. This usage shift seems somewhat universal, looking through quite a few google pages shows news sources from around the world, UN sources, various official government statements, and other uses referring to the Strip. The Wikipedia page on the city was the sole exception. I would be surprised if other people's results are much different, and that sort of dominance is rare for situations of competing topics. Readers searching for "Gaza" are almost certainly searching for the Gaza Strip, and our pages should be titled to cater to that rather than sending them to an unnecessary disambiguation. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:11, 1 May 2025 (UTC)

*'''Support''' per above. "Gaza" commonly refers to the Gaza Strip. [[User:Skitash|Skitash]] ([[User talk:Skitash|talk]]) 01:43, 1 May 2025 (UTC)

*:[[New York]] commonly refers to _____? [[User:Srnec|Srnec]] ([[User talk:Srnec|talk]]) 03:15, 1 May 2025 (UTC)

*::I get your point, however this is different. Per nom and RS, Gaza is most commonly used to refer to the entire territory. [[User:Skitash|Skitash]] ([[User talk:Skitash|talk]]) 08:33, 1 May 2025 (UTC)

*::That's a really bad comparison. Is it the "Gaza (Strip) war" or the "Gaza (City) war"? <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">[[Special:Contributions/Abo_Yemen|<span style="color:#000">𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨</span>]]&nbsp;[[User:Abo Yemen|<span style="color:#CD0000">Abo Yemen</span>]] ([[User talk:Abo Yemen|<span style="color:#000">𓃵</span>]])</span> 08:49, 1 May 2025 (UTC)

*::New York might not be the best example, see [[Wikipedia:NYRM]]. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 07:39, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

* '''Support'''. Numerous news organizations and other [[WP:RS]] (for recent usage, see [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/5/2/drones-hit-freedom-flotilla-ship-carrying-aid-to-gaza Al Jazeera], [https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/ship-carrying-activists-aid-gaza-attacked-by-drones-ngo-says-2025-05-02/ Reuters], [https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx27z0r8n5do BBC], [https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/02/europe/gaza-flotilla-ship-sos-intl-hkn CNN]) all support the usage of "Gaza" to refer to the Gaza Strip as a whole. This RM would also solve the issue of the countless times that <nowiki>[[Gaza strip|Gaza]]</nowiki> is used on Wikipedia, making it clear that "Gaza" on its own almost always refers to the entire Gaza Strip.--[[User:JasonMacker|JasonMacker]] ([[User talk:JasonMacker|talk]]) 18:44, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

Before you proceed to delete my entry again, perhaps you could specify what part of it in your opinion constitutes a POV, and prove that it has no factual basis. What part do you object to? That the majority are refugees, or that they fled voluntarily?

*:If this RM succeeds, I would also support [[Gaza (disambiguation)]] being in a hatnote at the top of the [[Gaza]] page. [[User:JasonMacker|JasonMacker]] ([[User talk:JasonMacker|talk]]) 18:52, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

Just because certain facts speak in Israel's favour in no way impairs their status as facts which can safely be included in a NPOV article. [[User:LoveOfFate|LoveOfFate]] 18:21, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' – with barely 1.5:1 in favor of this title, no clear primary topic. [[New York City]] is almost 4:1 against [[New York State]], yet you don't see us moving NYC to the base name of [[New York]]. [[Special:Contributions/Chicdat|🐔]]&nbsp;[[User:Chicdat|Chicdat]]&nbsp;&nbsp;''<sup style="font-family:Times New Roman">[[User talk:Chicdat|Bawk to me!]]</sup>'' 12:22, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' per above and [[WP:RECENTISM]]. [[User:Mast303|Mast303]] ([[User talk:Mast303|talk]]) 00:46, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

: The "voluntarily" is a nonsense (but I don't have to prove it's a nonsense, only to note that it is regarded as such by a body of learned opinion). It is also POV to give the war the name used by only one of the sides. --[[User:Zero0000|Zero]] 20:57, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

::The Gaza strip has always been the main topic since the 1940s. I don't know what recentism you're talking about <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">[[Special:Contributions/Abo_Yemen|<span style="color:#000">𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨</span>]]&nbsp;[[User:Abo Yemen|<span style="color:#CD0000">Abo Yemen</span>]] ([[User talk:Abo Yemen|<span style="color:#000">𓃵</span>]])</span> 05:26, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:::IDK about these newfangled people with their "printing presses" and their "horseless carriages"--if King David thinks Gaza is a city, that's good enough for me [[User:Red Slash|<span style="color:#FF4131;">Red</span>]] [[User talk:Red Slash|<b><span style="color:#460121;">Slash</span></b>]] 05:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

*'''Oppose'''{{snd}}I do not disagree with the claim that "Gaza" is often used as a short-form for the Gaza Strip (in both English and Arabic), but I think the precision given by the status quo (of Gaza Strip and Gaza City being titled the way they are and Gaza as a disambiguation page) has functional utility for readers who are not as familiar with the topic. I do not think it is an improvement to move Gaza Strip to Gaza and Gaza to Gaza (disambiguation), then add a hatnote to the Gaza Strip article along the lines of "This is about the wider territory; for the city named Gaza, see Gaza City, etc." The term "Gaza Strip" itself is widely used in English-language scholarship to be precise and distinguish the territory from the city and historical region, evidenced somewhat ironically by the Ngrams link. <big>[[User:Yue|<span style="color:#757575; font-family:Consolas, monospace">''Yue''</span>]][[User talk:Yue|🌙]]</big> 07:08, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

*:I cannot see a single news website calling it as Gaza strip - when you google "gaza strip" in google news right now [[User:Cinaroot|Cinaroot]] ([[User talk:Cinaroot|talk]]) 06:46, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

*:{{Ping|Yue}} Reading through your vote, it seems like you may be stating that the most common use of the word "Gaza" is for "Gaza Strip", but not enough for the article to be renamed "Gaza"? (In other words, what I stated in my vote: Move ''only'' the disambiguation page, then retarget [[Gaza]] to [[Gaza Strip]]?) [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color:#AF601A;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 21:29, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' per other users. [[User:Ahammed Saad|Ahammed Saad]] ([[User talk:Ahammed Saad|talk]]) 10:40, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

:'''Support''' as per widely known as only Gaza [[User:ApurboWiki2024|ApurboWiki2024]] ([[User talk:ApurboWiki2024|talk]]) 10:51, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:'''Support -''' Even UN refer it to as Gaza [[User:Cinaroot|Cinaroot]] ([[User talk:Cinaroot|talk]]) 06:44, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

*'''Move [[Gaza]] to {{no redirect|Gaza (disambiguation)}}'''. ...And '''oppose moving [[Gaza Strip]] to [[Gaza]]'''. Instead, retarget [[Gaza]] to [[Gaza Strip]] after the move; "Gaza Strip" seems to be the [[WP:COMMONNAME]] for the subject. [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color:#AF601A;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 18:25, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:'''Comment''': I'm looking through this discussion, and the way all except the most recent 2 of the "support" votes are worded, it seems they agree that the disambiguation page should be moved, but do not clearly support if or why [[Gaza Strip]] should be moved to [[Gaza]]. In fact, the nominator seems to have failed to make this argument as well since a move from [[Gaza Strip]] to [[Gaza]] is a [[WP:COMMONNAME]] claim, which is not what the nominator stated in their initial or subsequent statements. [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color:#AF601A;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 21:35, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

::my argument was that it is the primary topic, not the common name <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">[[Special:Contributions/Abo_Yemen|<span style="color:#000">𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨</span>]]&nbsp;[[User:Abo Yemen|<span style="color:#CD0000">Abo Yemen</span>]] ([[User talk:Abo Yemen|<span style="color:#000">𓃵</span>]])</span> 05:08, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

:::{{Ping|Abo Yemen}} Then the way you structured your move request is not what you are actually requesting to happen: It seems you are not specifically asking that [[Gaza Strip]] be moved to [[Gaza]], but rather want [[Gaza]] to redirect to [[Gaza Strip]]? If so, the first move in your request, [[Gaza Strip]] → [[Gaza]], should not occur, but rather ''only'' [[Gaza]] → [[Gaza (disambiguation)]] so that [[Gaza]] can redirect to [[Gaza Strip]]. [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color:#AF601A;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 08:58, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

::::If this is true, then I change my vote to support. However the way he phrased the request is sort of confusing. [[User:Evaporation123|Evaporation123]] ([[User talk:Evaporation123|talk]]) 18:54, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

*{{Strike|'''Oppose''' per Steel1943. Also support for Move [[Gaza]] to {{no redirect|Gaza (disambiguation)}}.}} '''Support''' per Chipmunkdavis '''''_saluere,''''' [[User:Ophyrius|<b style="background: linear-gradient(to right, Red, #FFA500, Gold); -webkit-background-clip: text; color: transparent;">Ɔþʱʏɾɪʊs</b>]][[User talk:Ophyrius|<sup style="color:#8B4513">⚔</sup>]] 09:28, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' Gaza Strip is most common name for this territory. Gaza is used as a short name, but it is also used for the city. [[User:Dash9Z|Dash9Z]] ([[User talk:Dash9Z|talk]]) 02:33, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' per Dash9Z. [[User:DARIO SEVERI|DARIO SEVERI]] ([[User talk:DARIO SEVERI|talk]]) 05:04, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

*'''Strong support''', recent page views and signifance are overwhelming to the Strip. Definitely a lot more relevant and PRIMARY in this day and age.--[[User:Ortizesp|Ortizesp]] ([[User talk:Ortizesp|talk]]) 13:44, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

*:Yes, that's precisely what [[WP:RECENTISM]] is. Wikipedia is a historical encyclopedia, [[WP:NOTNEWS]]. [[User:Zxcvbnm|ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ]] ([[User talk:Zxcvbnm|ᴛ]]) 15:39, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:<s>'''Strong oppose''', per reasoning of other users.</s> Waiting on more clarification about the move request [[User:Evaporation123|Evaporation123]] ([[User talk:Evaporation123|talk]]) 18:52, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

:: Since you refuse to provide any references to factual evidence that would justify deleting my entry, I have chosen to take the initiative and provide some of my own sources.

: '''Support''' per Chipmunkdavis. --[[User:Hassan697|Hassan697]] ([[User talk:Hassan697|talk]]) 11:59, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

* '''Oppose'''. Its name is the Gaza Strip. The fact that people like abbreviations doesn't change that. The existing "also known simply as Gaza" in the first sentence is enough to cover it. Similarly with Golan versus Golan Heights and probably countless examples around the world. [[User:Zero0000|Zero]]^{<small>[[User_talk:Zero0000|talk]]</small>} 06:20, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

* '''Support''' At least internationally, the strip is overwhelmingly commonly referred to as "Gaza", if the city is meant that is explicitly specified. [[User:PhotographyEdits|PhotographyEdits]] ([[User talk:PhotographyEdits|talk]]) 13:51, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''', recent references to the area as just "Gaza" mainly refer to the ongoing war there. Gaza Strip is the most accurate name especially as it pertains to the historic and ongoing occupation of the area. &mdash;[[User:RAGentry|<span style="color:#00afaa">'''RAGentry'''</span>]] [[User talk:RAGentry|<span style="color:#f5246c">'''(talk)'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/RAGentry|<span style="color:#f98137">'''(contributions)'''</span>]] 21:05, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:'''Support''' per [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. [[User:Absolutiva|Absolutiva]] ([[User talk:Absolutiva|talk]]) 22:46, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

According to you, adding the word voluntarily is a [sic] nonsense as decided by a "body of learned opinion." I am curious who exactly these venerable scholars of yours are, but have no way of knowing since you obviously do not feel compelled to list your sources.

:'''Support''' per [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]] and [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. [[User:2018rebel|2018rebel]] 04:44, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

::Per [https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=Gaza WikiNav], 65.32% of outgoing pageviews of the [[Gaza]] article were to the [[Gaza Strip]] article (representing 1.42% of total incoming pageviews to the article). Meanwhile, 17.16% of outgoing pageviews were to the [[Gaza City]] article (representing 0.61% of total incoming pageviews to the article). [[User:2018rebel|2018rebel]] 19:19, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

*'''Support''', as Gaza is clearly the [[WP:COMMONNAME]] for Gaza Strip. Currently, Almost all international news media use the name "Gaza" to refer Gaza Strip. [[User:AimanAbir18plus|AimanAbir18plus]] ([[User talk:AimanAbir18plus|talk]]) 12:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

*'''Support'''. [[São Paulo]] and [[Rio de Janeiro]] are examples that go against the New York claim, as [[Rio de Janeiro (state)]] and [[São Paulo (state)]] are secondary topics. [[Gaza genocide]] and [[Gaza war]] are good examples showing Gaza is referring primarily to the Gaza Strip as a whole.--[[User:MikutoH|<span style="color: #be1918;">'''MikutoH'''</span>]] [[User talk:MikutoH|^{<span style="color:#ee8b39;"> '''talk!''' </span>}]] 00:54, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' per Yue and others. [[User:Angelo.romano|Angelo]] ([[User talk:Angelo.romano|talk]]) 15:25, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

*'''Support''' moving [[Gaza]] to Gaza (disambiguation), but '''oppose''' moving [[Gaza Strip]] to Gaza. Instead, I would redirect Gaza to [[Gaza Strip]] as suggested above, since that seems to be the most common intent of page viewers browsing to [[Gaza]] by far. [[User:Andrew11374265|Andrew11374265]] ([[User talk:Andrew11374265|talk]]) 04:23, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

:<small>'''Relister comment''': I'm obviously [[WP:INVOLVED]], but I just noticed that this discussion has never been relisted, though it has been open for almost 2 months, and really needs a fresh set of eyes so consensus can be determined. [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color:#AF601A;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 20:03, 15 June 2025 (UTC)</small>

::Not that you needed anyone to commend you on this, but relisting doesn't require you to be uninvolved. Good call to relist <abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;">[[File:Face-smile.svg|18px|link=]]</abbr> [[User:Red Slash|<span style="color:#FF4131;">Red</span>]] [[User talk:Red Slash|<b><span style="color:#460121;">Slash</span></b>]] 05:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:'''Support''' per Aimans comment. [[User:Oneequalsequalsone|Oneequalsequalsone]] ([[User talk:Oneequalsequalsone|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Oneequalsequalsone|contribs]]) 12:16, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

*'''Strong oppose first'''--the Gaza Strip should be called that for clarity. '''Weak support second'''--we're not serving anyone by not redirecting [[Gaza]] to the article they actually want to read. [[User:Red Slash|<span style="color:#FF4131;">Red</span>]] [[User talk:Red Slash|<b><span style="color:#460121;">Slash</span></b>]] 05:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

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As for mine, a plethora of evidence exists demonstrating that Palestinians were encouraged to leave their homes to make way for the invading Arab armies.

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The Economist, a frequent critic of the Zionists, reported on October 2, 1948: "Of the 62,000 Arabs who formerly lived in Haifa not more than 5,000 or 6,000 remained. Various factors influenced their decision to seek safety in flight. There is but little doubt that the most potent of the factors were the announcements made over the air by the Higher Arab Executive, urging the Arabs to quit....It was clearly intimated that those Arabs who remained in Haifa and accepted Jewish protection would be regarded as renegades."

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Time's report of the battle for Haifa (May 3, 1948) was similar: "The mass evacuation, prompted partly by fear, partly by orders of Arab leaders, left the Arab quarter of Haifa a ghost city....By withdrawing Arab workers their leaders hoped to paralyze Haifa."

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== Etymology ==

Benny Morris, the historian who documented instances where Palestinians were expelled, also found that Arab leaders encouraged their brethren to leave. The Arab National Committee in Jerusalem, following the March 8, 1948, instructions of the Arab Higher Committee, ordered women, children and the elderly in various parts of Jerusalem to leave their homes: "Any opposition to this order...is an obstacle to the holy war...and will hamper the operations of the fighters in these districts" (Middle Eastern Studies, January 1986).

Why is this one of the only place pages without an etymology for the name? [[User:Gesorgod|Gesorgod]] ([[User talk:Gesorgod|talk]]) 23:21, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

And perhaps most conclusive:

In his memoirs, Haled al Azm, the Syrian Prime Minister in 1948-49, also admitted the Arab role in persuading the refugees to leave:

:On the [[Gaza City]] page, there is an etymology section. The Gaza Strip is just a territory. [[User:Thepharoah17|Thepharoah17]] ([[User talk:Thepharoah17|talk]]) 06:38, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

“Since 1948 we have been demanding the return of the refugees to their homes. But we ourselves are the ones who encouraged them to leave. Only a few months separated our call to them to leave and our appeal to the United Nations to resolve on their return.”

:In fact, that’s why the history section only begins in the mid-19th century when Israel was created as a state. The Gaza Strip is basically an "artificial territory." There was no such as "Gaza Strip" before then so it wouldn’t make sense to have an etymology section. [[User:Thepharoah17|Thepharoah17]] ([[User talk:Thepharoah17|talk]]) 06:58, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

== Move request and RfC ==

I am prepared to compromise and rename the War of Israeli Independence to the more neutral 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

There is a [[Talk:Besor_Stream#Requested_move_1_June_2025|move request]] and a related [[Talk:Besor_Stream#RFC:_Main_source_of_the_Besor_stream|related RfC]] at the [[Besor Stream]] article that could do with more input. Thanks. [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 15:56, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

What you seem to overlook is that Wikipedia is an eliteless, collaborative endeavour and I will not tolerate you deleting my entries simply because the facts don't suit you. The only thing that makes any user's argument more valid than another's is providing facts to support it, at which point the argument is essentially over unless of course, the other party chooses to ignore the facts. So stop ignoring the facts, and bring evidence to support yourself if you seriously believe my entries are factually unsound. [[User:LoveOfFate|LoveOfFate]] 22:26, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 June 2025 ==

: Oh not again. Have you actually read any of these sources? The poor quality of your reply indicates that you know very little about this subject. Did you read Morris' new book? Btw, there is a better version of Azm's text in [[Palestinian Exodus]] (taken by me directly from the memoirs). Meanwhile, here is a little quotation for you, given you like quotations so much. --[[User:Zero0000|Zero]] 05:47, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

:''I don't suggest that we should trample on others' rights, but one must call a spade a spade: Zionism and rights don't always go hand-in-hand. The very establishment of this state is an affront to the Arabs' rights. Arabs lived in Jaffa. They didn't leave; they were expelled. We went into the villages and said 'Get out.' And they got out. Yes, it's important for me and others that this state be a democratic one, but you still have to consider the difference between ourselves and the other countries and remember that democracy is not an end in itself but rather an instrument. Zionism takes precedence over everything.''<br>-- Limor Livnat, member of the Likud Central Committee, quoted in Tikkun, Sep/Oct 1991, p14.

{{Edit extended-protected|Gaza Strip|answered=yes}}

Is there some information about the isaelian wall in the gaza strip available in Wikipedia, I can not find it.

'''Please change'''

"On 19 January 2025, a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas took effect. It lasted until 18 March, when Israel launched a surprise attack.[165]"

'''To'''

"On 19 January 2025, a temporary ceasefire between Israel and Hamas took effect. The war resumed on 18 March, after both parties failed to reach a lasting agreement."

'''Explaination''':

==History of Gaza==

After the talks between Israel and Hamas failed, specifically after Hamas broke the ceasefire agreement multiple times between january and march of 2025 (which was a hostage release agreement), Israel resumed its military campaign. this was always the case, even before the agreement was signed, it was stated that they agree to "Phase A" of the agreement, and that "Phase B" would be further discussed, and if failed, the war will resume. Eitherway, that is by no mean a "suprise attack" that was conducted by israel, and definitely not something initiated out of nowhere, like is being implied. [[User:DawnDude|DawnDude]] ([[User talk:DawnDude|talk]]) 17:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{Not done}}: please provide [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:EEp --> <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">[[Special:Contributions/Abo_Yemen|<span style="color:#000">𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨</span>]]&nbsp;[[User:Abo Yemen|<span style="color:#CD0000">Abo Yemen</span>]] ([[User talk:Abo Yemen|<span style="color:#000">𓃵</span>]])</span> 18:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Edit request 21 June 2025 ==

I think the history of gaza might be appopriate - but when I say history I mean *history*; at least 2000 years worth. It would help to indicate the jewish and arab links to the area and I was frankly surprised not to find such a history on this page. Maybe I'll add one but I'm concerned by the degree of emotion surrounding articles like this one and perhaps any history I could add would never be considered unbiased by all sides and would probably be promptly deleted. So I'm wondering if some sort of consensus can be reached. There are solid sources concerning Napoleon's march across the gaza strip. Similarly, there are legal documents pertaining to the Ottoman administration of the sanyak/vilayet that could be used; as well as archeological evidence. However, since all these sources would seem to indicate a strong historical Jewish presence in gaza they, of necessity, would attract controversy on this site. Apparently the enlightened neo-liberal post-modernist trend in world affairs is to regard jews in gaza as recent alien "settlers" and to strive to drive them out and seal the borders against their return. In fact, perhaps it would be fair to say that the general historical trend in world affairs is to regard jews anywhere and everywhere as alien "settlers" and to drive them out and seal the borders against their return.. or am I being too extreme?

- [[84.228.103.146]] 11:09, 5 July 2005

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== One of the most densely populated areas? ==

'''Description of suggested change:'''

From the article - I think this should be removed:

Add wikilink to [[Buffer zone]] (minor edit).

I've noticed there are wikilinks to articles on particular buffer zones in the Gaza Strip, but there are no references to the article on the concept of buffer zone itself, even though the keyword appears many times throughout the text.

:''as a result it has one of the highest population densities in the world''

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Highest population densities of what? It sure isn't denser than many cities in the world. The Gaza strip is roughly the size of Dublin city and its environs (pop. roughly 1 million) and that's one of the ''least'' dense cities in the world.

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:{{done}}<!-- Template:EEp --> [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 15:50, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

== Split section History ==

Gaza city itself looks quite dense judging by the map, but I would doubt it even remotely bargains for the position of one of the most dense cities!

{{Discussion top|result=The result of this discussion was to '''split''' into [[History of the Gaza Strip]]. Consensus cited [[WP:SS|summary style]] guidelines and the only opposition was rendered as an invalid argument. Going to begin split tomorrow. —[[User:Sparkle and Fade|''Sparkle and Fade'']] ([[User_talk:Sparkle and Fade|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sparkle and Fade|contributions]]) 04:05, 20 July 2025 (UTC)}}

into [[History of the Gaza Strip]]. It's the largest section of the article without a main page. A paragraph would be left, following [[WP:SS|summary style]] guidelines. [[User:Fgnievinski|fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:22, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

*Support. The summary could be a few paragraphs long. [[User:UpdateNerd|UpdateNerd]] ([[User talk:UpdateNerd|talk]]) 02:40, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

*Please leave more than a paragraph (agree with UpdateNerd), but in general agree the section has exceeded [[WP:SUMMARYSTYLE]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 09:07, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

*but there is too many articles related to israel-palestine - as long of the main article is not above 15k words - i oppose the change. [[User:Astropulse|Astropulse]] ([[User talk:Astropulse|talk]]) 01:45, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

**{{tq|"there is too many articles related to israel-palestine"}} is not a valid reason to oppose. [[Special:Contributions/95.98.65.177|95.98.65.177]] ([[User talk:95.98.65.177|talk]]) 11:58, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

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[[User:Zoney|'''zoney''']] <font size=+1 style="color:green;">&#09827;</font> [[User talk:Zoney|'''talk''']] 23:02, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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:As no one has provided good proof as to the claim (it seems like bogus propaganda based on the pop and area), I am not removing it, but am reducing it to merely "a high population density". [[User:Zoney|'''zoney''']] <font size=+1 style="color:green;">&#09827;</font> [[User talk:Zoney|'''talk''']] 11:38, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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== Gaza Photos ==

Archieved to [[Talk:Gaza Strip/yalop]] - I got a 37Kb warning. On a talk page! It blew up my browser! [[User:Josh Parris|Josh Parris]] [[User_talk:Josh Parris|&#9993;]] 04:35, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== A '''new''' discussion on the pbase Gaza photos ==

Archieved to [[Talk:Gaza Strip/yalop2]] - I got a 37Kb warning. Again! [[User:Josh Parris|Josh Parris]] [[User_talk:Josh Parris|&#9993;]] 02:15, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

===Discussion on the pbase Gaza photos continues===

Archieved to [[Talk:Gaza Strip/yalop3]] [[User:Josh Parris|Josh Parris]] [[User_talk:Josh Parris|&#9993;]] 5 July 2005 01:36 (UTC)

==Typo - missing word==

From the article: "The Israeli settlemnts were built on sand dunes that were not used by the Palestinian residents of Gaza but now use more per capita than the Palestinian population."

Maybe it's just me, but "now use more" what? Water? This seems to be missing a key word.

==Intro==

Heraclius, I see you've reverted the intro again. Would you mind discussing your reasons here? Many thanks, [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] ^{<font color="Purple">[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</font>} 20:28, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

:It's illogical to talk about Egypt capturing the Gaza strip in the second sentence of the article. The fact that the Gaza strip makes up part of the Palestinian territories should be stated first.[[User:Heraclius|Heraclius]] 20:34, 13 July 2005 (UTC)