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=== May 23 ===

====[[Kimberley Katherine Smith]]====

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== December 24 ==

* [[American Revolutionary War (1911 Encyclopedia, part 1)]], [[American Revolutionary War (1911 Encyclopedia, part 2)]], [[Afghanistan (1911 Encyclopedia)]] - Wikipedia is not a repository of source texts - having more than one version of an article is redundant; merge whatever has not been merged and delete. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']] 08:50, 24 Dec 2003 (UTC)

**Delete. -[[User:Michael Rawdon|mhr]] 18:49, 24 Dec 2003 (UTC)

**The Afghanistan one has a lot of useful information on pre-1000-CE history that's not in the current [[Afghanistan]] article. Should be merged either there or somewhere else (perhaps separate articles on the various pre-modern-Afghanistan kingdoms in the region). --[[User:Delirium|Delirium]] 22:10, Dec 24, 2003 (UTC)

**Don't delete them until the information from the 1911 Britanica articles is merged into our articles. there are quite a few of those old articles that were imported and need to be updated, wikified and merged. -- [[User:Stephen Gilbert|Stephen Gilbert]] 08:06, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

====[[Hanyô]], [[Hanyou]], [[Hanyo]], [[Hanyoo]]====

== December 27 ==

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'''Demon pages discussion moved to [[Talk:Christian demonology/deletion]].'''

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====[[Circumfetishism]]====

*[[Etrécissements]] This appears to be yet another in a long line of previously posted (and subsequently deleted) painting techniques known only to a couple of obscure painters. [[User:Anjouli|Anjouli]] 19:20, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)

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**If you would bother to read the article you would see it is a collage technique, not a painting technique. Furthermore, it was used by Marien before Genovese. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 15:39, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**I wasn't around for the previous argument, but I say keep. Not much yet but I think it could grow. [[User:Moink|moink]] 20:08, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)

*** Only three Google hits. Two from Genovese personal page on Freewebs and one clone of a Wiki article. I don't think the term exists. [[User:Anjouli|Anjouli]] 20:23, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)

**Delete. This seems to be an idiosyncratic term. [[User:Maximus Rex|Maximus Re]][[User talk:Maximus Rex|x]] 22:37, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

====[[Glad]]====

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====[[Kyb IE GetEmAll]]====

*[['Celt']]. Merge with [[Celt]]? [[User:Anjouli|Anjouli]] 21:40, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)

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**Yes, merge and delete. [[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]] 22:36, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)

**Merge content; making into redirect would be okay. -- [[User:Infrogmation|Infrogmation]] 18:44, 30 Dec 2003 (UTC)

** Merge and ''redirect''. See the [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deletion policy]]. "Merge and delete" is ''not an option'', because using other people's work and then deleting its attribution to them is an infringement of their copyright. Even if it weren't illegal, it would still be bad practice. Merging and redirecting preserves all information, is undoable by any other Wikipedian if necessary, and - best of all - does not require discussion on this page. :) -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 06:26, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

***Page histories could easily be merged - delete, move to deleted, and restore. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']]

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*[[Power of the demons]]

** Demon pages discussion has already been moved to [[Talk:Christian demonology/deletion]]. Please vote there. [[User:Anjouli|Anjouli]] 04:06, 30 Dec 2003 (UTC)

====[[AberSeeSaw]]====

== December 30 ==

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* [[M.R.M. Parrott]]

**Continued at [[Talk:M.R.M. Parrott]]

==December==[[Ben 31Wilson]]====

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* [[Donald A. Peterson]]

** Undeleted by me because it wasn't properly listed the first time round. (See [[User_talk:Menchi/Stardate_0.0004#Deletion_proposals|here]].) No reason for deletion that I can see. -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 06:02, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

**There was a general consensus on this page that Sept 11th victims without otherwise encyclopedic lives should be moved to the Sept 11th wiki and deleted. For fairness we should do it to all of them. Delete both this and the next two listed. And I think from now on they should be candidates for immediate moving and deletion. [[User:Moink|moink]] 06:30, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

**Delete, nonfamous --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']]

**Move to sep11 wiki and delete. [[User:Alfio|Alfio]] 14:39, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

**Delete, belongs on sep11, not here. [[User:Onebyone|Onebyone]] 17:17, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

**Delete. Reason: person not famous. It was moved to the sep11 wiki by someone [http://sep11.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald%20A.%20Peterson]. [[User:Maximus Rex|Maximus Re]][[User talk:Maximus Rex|x]] 04:42, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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* [[John J. Wenckus]]

** Undeleted by me because it wasn't properly listed the first time round. (See [[User talk:Menchi#Deletion proposals|here]].) No reason for deletion that I can see. -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 06:02, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

**Delete, nonfamous. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']]

**Move to sep11 wiki and delete. [[User:Alfio|Alfio]] 14:39, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

**Delete, belongs on sep11, not here. [[User:Onebyone|Onebyone]] 17:17, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

**Delete. Reason: person not famous. It was moved to the sep11 wiki by someone [[http://sep11.wikipedia.org/wiki/John%20J.%20Wenckus]]. [[User:Maximus Rex|Maximus Re]][[User talk:Maximus Rex|x]] 04:42, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

====[[Metarmorphosis]]====

* [[Jean Hoadley Peterson]]

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** Deleted without Vfd notice having been added, suggesting that it may not have been listed on [[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion]] at all. (I never saw it there.) No reason for deletion that I can see. -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 06:02, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

**Move to sep11 wiki and delete. [[User:Alfio|Alfio]] 14:39, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

**Delete, belongs on sep11, not here. [[User:Onebyone|Onebyone]] 17:17, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

**Delete. The only page this links to is [[Donald A. Peterson]] which has been moved to the Sep11 wiki. It therefore makes sense to move both of them. I don't see why these keep being listed on VfD separately. This particular page has been listed on [[m: What to do with entries related to September 11 casualties|the list of pages to be moved to the Sep11 wiki]] for over 9 months without objection! I suggest people edit that list if they object rather than wasting VfD space with listings of these every week. Just get on with moving them rather than discussing it. If any of those people really are worthy of an article here, someone will, at some point, write an article about them. Keeping a memorial page here about them isn't the most useful start for a real article anyway, and someone wanting to see such a page is more likely to look for it at the Sep11 wiki than in what is supposed to be an encyclopædia. [[User:Angela|Angela]][[user talk:Angela|.]] 01:42, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Delete. Reason: person not famous. It was moved to the sep11 wiki by someone [[http://sep11.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean%20Hoadley%20Peterson] ]. [[User:Maximus Rex|Maximus Re]][[User talk:Maximus Rex|x]] 04:42, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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* [[Predicted effects of invading Iran]]. Attempting to 'predict' the effects of something is "primary research" (see [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not|What Wikipedia is not]] #10). (The page was also written by a user that has subsequently been banned.) [[User:Maximus Rex|Maximus Re]][[User talk:Maximus Rex|x]] 11:22, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

** Keep. The article is simply reporting what proponents and detractors are saying. That's not research. The article writer is unimportant. Same for the next article. [[User:Alfio|Alfio]] 14:42, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

** Delete unless the claims can be specifically sourced. "I heard a rumour that someone might have said X" is not good enough for an encyclopedia article. See [[Wikipedia:Verifiability]]. [[User:Onebyone|Onebyone]] 16:09, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

**Delete. Who invaded Iran? Rather silly IMHO - [[User:Marshman|Marshman]] 19:50, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

**Delete. What are the predicted effects of '''not invading''' Iran? (which as far as I know is more likely to happen for the next year at least). What are the unpredicted effects, by the way? [[User:Pfortuny|Pfortuny]] 22:15, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

** Delete --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']]

**Delete. Encylopedias should not have articles about the future. [[User:DJ Clayworth|DJ Clayworth]] 17:58, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)

====[[Weston Lullingfields]]====

* [[Predicted effects of invading Iraq]] Attempting to 'predict' the effects of something is "primary research" (see [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not|What Wikipedia is not]] #10). (The page was also written by a user that has subsequently been banned.) Since Iraq has been invaded this page is now pointless. [[User:Maximus Rex|Maximus Re]][[User talk:Maximus Rex|x]] 11:22, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

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** Delete unless the claims can be specifically sourced. "I heard a rumour that someone might have said X" is not good enough for an encyclopedia article. See [[Wikipedia:Verifiability]]. [[User:Onebyone|Onebyone]] 16:09, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

** Delete. Presdumably there will be a history article on this, and therefore musings on "predictions" is political POV. Not for Wikipedia - [[User:Marshman|Marshman]] 19:50, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

** Delete, see my comment above. [[User:Pfortuny|Pfortuny]] 22:15, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

** Keep, potentially useful with attributions.[[User:Eloquence|&mdash;Eloquence]]

** Delete, moot --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']]

**Delete. Encylopedias should not have articles about the future. [[User:DJ Clayworth|DJ Clayworth]] 17:58, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Keep. But remove all material which is not sourced. [Fred Bauder]

***None of it is sourced. [[User:Maximus Rex|Maximus Re]][[User talk:Maximus Rex|x]] 15:21, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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* [[Alleged effects of invading Iraq]]. - ''This article lists only the actual (but, for neutrality called alleged) effects of invading Iraq''. Currently has very little content. Neither title nor current contents encourage responsible additions. I say give it up as a dead loss. Even if an independent article is needed on the effects of the [[2003 invasion of Iraq]], this isn't that article. [[User:Onebyone|Onebyone]] 16:47, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

** Delete. The term "alleged" does not gicve it neutrality in POV but encourges POV - [[User:Marshman|Marshman]] 19:50, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

** Uninformed drivel. Delete.[[User:Eloquence|&mdash;Eloquence]]

** Delete --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']]

** Delete. POV rubbish. [[User:DJ Clayworth|DJ Clayworth]] 17:58, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)

====[[College Road]]====

* [[Raspberry (disambiguation)]] - after removal of non-disambiguating content (a slang definition and a link to some award which now has its own page), only a self-link remains.[[User:Eloquence|&mdash;Eloquence]]

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**Delete - [[User:Marshman|Marshman]] 19:50, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

**Delete - This type of disambiguation page is only useful if linked to from a "primary topic" page. Otherwise, move (to eliminate the "(disambiguation)" part of the name) and redirect. -[[User:Rholton|Anthropos]] 16:06, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** I agree. Just delete for now. - [[User:Marshman|Marshman]] 22:45, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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==January 1==

* [[Grunge Baby]] - nonfamous band -- [[User:JeLuF|JeLuF]] 02:00, Jan 1, 2004 (UTC)

**Keep. Non-famous bands can still have a page, but probably should be confined to a "list of" pages and not referenced as being in the "notable" or otherwise, sections of the genre articles. We already have plenty of non-famous bands articles, there's a grey area between "alternative/independent" and non-famous, almost by definition many "indie" bands are non-famous, I see no harm in keeping the article. --[[User:Lexor|Lexor]] 05:34, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

***Have you looked at the article? The band formed a couple of months ago and has done nothing. If there are articles on bands of a similar calibre, please list on vfd so they can be deleted too. [[User:Maximus Rex|Maximus Re]][[User talk:Maximus Rex|x]] 05:37, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

****OK, you have a point. The acts I was referring to have released CDs and aren't well known but generally have been around a couple of years at least. This is possibly a case of self-promotion. I still maintain it's a slippery slope, but if there majority vote goes to delete, I won't object. --[[User:Lexor|Lexor]] 05:43, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Delete. According to the only online reference to this band, [http://www.garageband.com/artist/grunge_baby] they have no songs and no CDs. [[User:Maximus Rex|Maximus Re]][[User talk:Maximus Rex|x]] 05:39, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Delete. Nonfamous. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 23:04, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Delete. Unable to find a single produced work from them. [[User:Coren|Coren]] 23:12, Jan 1, 2004 (UTC)

**Delete, for reasons everyone else has already stated. [[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]] 23:56, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

====[[Nutty Norman]]====

* [[Andy Engman]] - biography of a non-famous family member. Does not meet [[Wikipedia:Criteria for inclusion of biographies]]. [[User:Silsor|silsor]] 04:00, Jan 1, 2004 (UTC)

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** Keep! [[User:Hephaestos]] made it encyclopedic, and I added some additional info. As the criteria for inclusion of biographies page says: ''This is a proposed guideline - it doesn't necessarily have wide support. Feel free to ignore it.'' :) [[User:Optim|Optim]] 07:37, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**I think he's famous enough for an article, now that the cruft has been removed from it. - [[User:Hephaestos|Hephaestos]] 23:09, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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* '''[[Gore Personal and Political Controversies]]''' - overwhelming support for keeping most of the information, it has been re-integrated into [[Al Gore]]. Discussion should take place at [[Talk:Al Gore]], VfD discussion has been archived there.

====[[David Barker]]====

*[[San Juan Bautista (Puerto Rico)]] and [[Borikén]]? Perhaps redirect to [[Puerto Rico]]? [[User:RickK|RickK]] 04:44, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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**Merge and redirect, I reckon. [[User:Onebyone|Onebyone]] 05:02, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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*[[Understanding Comics/summary]] - a summary of a book. this is not the place for it. [[User:Kingturtle|Kingturtle]] 07:53, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Agreed, delete. [[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]] 00:04, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Wikisource? [[User:Zack|Zack]] 21:01, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

====[[CheShA]]====

*[[Serial polygamy]] - redirect to [[Serial monogamy]] [[User:Vacuum|Vacuum]] 19:47, Jan 1, 2004 (UTC)

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**Delete. That redirect seems spurious to me. [[User:Coren|Coren]] 23:12, Jan 1, 2004 (UTC)

**Delete, strange for an redirect to point to something that doesn't mention anything about the subject of the redirect. [[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]] 00:04, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**delete. [[User:Davodd|Davodd]] 00:13, Jan 2, 2004 (UTC)

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*[[South Orange Grove Boulevard (Pasadena, California)]]. NOn-important street. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 23:04, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Oh, keep it. Or merge it into the currently-rather-thin article on [[Pasadena, California]]. It's quite a decent little morsel of information. I frequently run across references to streets in novels that carry an implication that the reader will understand something about the social significance or ambience of the street, and it's reasonable to have some way of looking them up. Every city has its millionaire's row or something similar, but they are worth documenting. Maybe this paragraph shouldn't be an entry in itself; people looking for South Orange Grove Boulevard probably would know it's in Pasadena or could find it easily enough via global search&mdash;when and if that feature is re-enabled. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 23:27, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Merge into [[Pasadena, California]] and delete. Seems worth a mention, but not quite important enough for its very own page. [[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]] 23:59, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

***Merged. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 01:37, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)

***Good. Leave the redirect. -- [[User:Infrogmation|Infrogmation]] 16:41, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)

====[[Alt.tv.simpsons]]====

==January 2==

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*[[War reparation]] - too specific --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']] 11:18, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Not an analytical article, title is wrong, content belongs in WW2 and is already present. [[User:Tempshill|Tempshill]] 05:48, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Keep. 13 articles link to it. It sounds to me like we need the article. True, this is not the article we need, but deletion is not the answer. I'm also a bit disturbed that the VFD notice was added to the page '''17 minutes''' after the anon. user made their last change. We really need to be more patient, especially for what may be a new user. -[[User:Rholton|Anthropos]] 06:14, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

*** If deletion isn't the answer, then let's insert a dictionary definition and stub notice and insertion on Cleanup. [[User:Tempshill|Tempshill]] 07:12, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

====[[Dumbarton Harp F.C.]]====

* [[Poemgate]] - bad poem supposedly by George W. Bush. Hardly merits article even if genuine; move to wikiquote if thought to merit such. -- [[User:Infrogmation|Infrogmation]] 17:07, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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** Delete. Too POV. May be worthy of a 1-2 sentence ref in GWBush article; not an entry. Def. not this entry. [[User:Davodd|Davodd]] 20:56, Jan 2, 2004 (UTC)

** Either delete entirely or move 1-2 sentences to [[Laura Bush]] and then delete. And please please please stop appending 'gate' to every mildly questionable behaviour of a politician. [[User:Moink|moink]] 22:54, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Delete. If genuine and attribution can be verified, might be wikibookifiable. [[User:Coren|Coren]] 05:14, Jan 3, 2004 (UTC)

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* [[Adam Wade]] - only content is a musing confusing him with 1960s ''Batman'' tv actor [[Adam West]] -- [[User:Infrogmation|Infrogmation]] 17:18, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**The only link is from [[1937 in music]] which I think is referring to the Adam Wade described at http://www.oldies.com/artist/view.cfm/id/5.html [[User:Moink|moink]] 22:22, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Delete or rewrite entirely if Adam Wade is more famous than appears from a google search. [[Adam West]] != Adam Wade.

**Delete. Wouldn't this be a candidate for instant deletion since the text is wholly unrelated to the title, in addition to being poorly written? [[User:Maximus Rex|Maximus Re]][[User talk:Maximus Rex|x]] 06:20, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

====[[Sean Flowers]]====

* [[Timeline of Anti-Semitism]] -- This article is used to push an agenda and cannot possibly be NPOV without providing context (which a timeline can't do of course). Another disingenuous propaganda attempt if you ask me. --[[User:213.231.204.211|213.231.204.211]] 19:52, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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**Agenda? What kind of agenda? The "Do not murder Jews agenda?" Yeah, that's a pretty awful agenda... [[User:RK|RK]] 14:20, Jan 3, 2004 (UTC)

** <strike>Keep and rename. (Added vfd tag) The info is useful - but has an inaccurate, misleading and probably POV article name. It limits itself to anti-Jewish history and specifically doesn't acknowledge other [[Semitic people]] - including Eritrean, Ethiopean, Maltese, Arabic, Syrian, Somalian, and Mali peoples. Ex: Arab-on-Isreali violence or vice-versa by definition cannot be anti-Semitic; it is intra-Semitic. [[User:Davodd|Davodd]] 20:31, Jan 2, 2004 (UTC)</strike>

*** A common mistake, but "anti-Semitic" does mean specifically racism against Jews as well as (and less commonly) against all Semites. [[User:Onebyone|Onebyone]] 00:58, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

***Don't feed the trolls. Certain trolls, ''for years'', have tried to erase all Wikipedia articles on anti-Semitism by playing this card. They know full well it isn't true, and they are not trying to improve the encyclopedia. They are trying to censor data they disapprove of. [[User:RK|RK]]

** I suggested on the talk page to move content into [[history of anti-Semitism]]. The anon user above is right -- timelines can't provide enough historical context for a subject like this. [[User:TUF-KAT|Tuf-Kat]] 22:35, Jan 2, 2004 (UTC)

** Keep. Most of this looks fine to me, it just goes a bit wrong at the end when it fails to explain why specific actions against Israel may or may not, depending on your POV, be regarded as "racism against Jews". Having said that, I have no particular attachment to the current title, "History of anti-Semitism" would be fine by me. [[User:Onebyone|Onebyone]] 01:12, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

***Of course. There are many people angry at Jews, who refuse to accept that there are things Jews view as anti-Semitic that some other people may not. For instance, the vast majority of the American, European and Jewish communities, both religious and secular, view the PLO and its attacks as anti-Semitic, while many Europeans and American leftists do not. But it is NPOV to say that these groups and actions ''are'' viewed as anti-Semitism by Jews. [[User:RK|RK]]

** Keep. The confusion and uncomfortableness around this topic demonstrate that the article is necessary as a useful resource. '''1. The term''' is a common misnomer, but that's what dictionaries are for (e.g. [www.dictionary.com]). Not going into deep etymology here, any human language is full of them: ''tanks'' don't carry water, ''free trade'' is not free, ''Democrat'' & ''Republican'' mean the same thing (in Greek and Latin respectively), etc. To those who wants to change it, best of luck. '''2. The contents'''. Note, it is an addendum to main article [[Anti-Semitism]] where the etymology, semantics, roots, reasons, excuses and tendencies are (or should be) explained in detail. No doubts, the chronology of world's longest hatred is not an easy reading. The article is still recovering from being continuously vandalized (that includes attempts by [[User:213.231.204.211]]). Every time an entry has been challenged, it was either removed or rephrased to show the relevance and keep as close to facts as possible. Constructive contributions & suggestions are more than welcome. I already have changed the ending. [[User:Humus sapiens|Humus sapiens]] 04:40, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Delete. Almost by definition, any list of racism-against-foo is POV. The data might be salvaged in a putative "history of the Jewish people" if judgment calls are removed, but as is this is simply an agenda posing as encyclopedic. To call any particular action "racism", one needs considerable historical context. (Say, an attack against nation X might be ethnically motivated, or it might be territory expansion, or a thousand other things. [[User:Coren|Coren]] 05:14, Jan 3, 2004 (UTC)

** Delete this POV article. (And I was born Jewish!). [[User:Anjouli|Anjouli]] 05:32, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

*** Note, this is &quot;NPOV&quot; from Saudi Arabia, the world's expert on anti-Semitism. [[User:Humus sapiens|Humus sapiens]] 10:05, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Vote change. Delete for inalienable POV reasons. [[User:Davodd|Davodd]] 10:59, Jan 3, 2004 (UTC)

**How come it is Ok to discuss bigotry against homosexuals, blacks and hispanics (of Which Wikipedia does plenty), but it is suddenly POV and forbidden to discuss bigotry against Jews? We must not make new rules for discussing Jews, while applying different standards to every other group. Keep the article.

**Keep it. "Anti-semitism," a term coined in Europe to mean "hatred of Jews" is still a very real problem today, there's no disputing that as a matter of POV. It's important to have such a comprehensive resource like this one so that we can understand this problem.[[User:151.197.44.128|151.197.44.128]] 23:44, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)[[User:151.197.44.128|151.197.44.128]] 23:42, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Regarding POV: the history is full of cruel and uncomfortable events. Objectively stating well-documented facts, even if inconvenient for some, is not POV. Denying or rewriting them - clearly '''is'''. Some contributors have suggested in the past that the A-S has begun in the 19th century and happily ended in 1945. Isn't the encyclopedia's job to clear up such confusions? In the interests of objectivity, I am adding relevant reversals of A-S policies, such as by [[Charlemagne]], [[St. Bernard]], [[Barbarossa]]... Some are already there. OTOH, [[[[User:213.231.204.211]] should be banned from continuously vandalizing this page pushing his agenda. According to his latest deletion, A-S has ended in 1969. Great news! [[User:Humus sapiens|Humus sapiens]] 11:36, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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====[[The Black and White Space Marine on the Black and White Bike]]====

*[[Wiki Theory of Qualia]] - was linked on [[Qualia]] with the words: ''(on going since 2004) by thousands of Wikipedian researchers, Wikipedia''. But Wikipedia is not a place to develop scientific theories - so far this theory is 2 days old and has one (not thousand) people working on it. Maybe move it to a user subpage? [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] 22:47, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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** Delete or move. As stated above, there should not be a Wikipedia theory of anything much because Wikipedia is not for creating theories. [[User:Onebyone|Onebyone]] 01:01, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Delete. Nonsense. [[User:Anjouli|Anjouli]] 05:35, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Delete; nonsense. [[User:Tempshill|Tempshill]] 05:48, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Delete. K00kery. [[User:Salsa Shark|Salsa Shark]] 05:58, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Pretty complex: Everything = Everything I know + everything else. Delete - [[User:Marshman|Marshman]] 09:22, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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== January 3 ==

=== January 3, Part 1 ===

====[[Ambiversion]]====

* [[September 11th truth movement]] - tinfoil hattery. [[User:Salsa Shark|Salsa Shark]] 02:32, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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** Del - POV title with POV dictionary def'n that leads only to 9/11. --[[User:Jerzy|Jerzy]] 02:35, 2004 Jan 3 (UTC)

** No google hits for this phrase, not notable, delete. [[User:Onebyone|Onebyone]] 03:12, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Delete. Fails google test, hopelessly POV and contains no useful information. [[User:Coren|Coren]] 05:14, Jan 3, 2004 (UTC)

*** Author even went so far as to post a link to an external soapbox after vfd. How tacky. :-) [[User:Coren|Coren]] 06:24, Jan 3, 2004 (UTC)

** Delete. Misspelled nonsense. [[User:Anjouli|Anjouli]] 05:37, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Delete. Content-free. [[User:Tempshill|Tempshill]] 05:43, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Don't delete. Seems NPOV to me [[User:Flamingantichimp|Flamingantichimp]] 06:03, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** It's obvious that "9/11 Truth Movement" does exist as is described on the page. The fact that it might not go unified by the name "September 11th truth movement" doesn't mean it is not an important add to wikipedia. It's a concept! Don't delete. [[User:Finlander|Finlander]] 06:46, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Nonsense. Entirely POV, and hardly includes anything but a whole series of links. Delete. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 09:10, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Poorly written nonsense is right. However Finlander does have a point. I don't think this "article" is what is needed, but thought should be given to how to cover the subject (within a 9/11 article I suspect) - [[User:Marshman|Marshman]] 09:19, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

***There already exists [[Misinformation and rumors about the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks]] and [[9/11 domestic conspiracy theory]]. [[User:Maximus Rex|Maximus Re]][[User talk:Maximus Rex|x]] 09:23, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** delete. [[User:Davodd|Davodd]] 10:52, Jan 3, 2004 (UTC)

**I gave the other two articles a look and I agree that only the very basic idea of the article is needed. That is to acknowledge that there is a movement, especially on the Internet, that tries to investigate the incident in ways I tried to express on that page. I suggest the notification is added to the main 9/11 page. So keeping that in mind, the article can be removed. The name must have been very insulting as I've never had so many furious people ridiculing my grammar. Also it is better that I don't touch the page as I obviously don't have a clue of what POV means to most of you on matters relating to 9/11. [[User:Finlander|Finlander]] 11:26, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Delete, obvious POV. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']]

**Delete. This is at very best a nascent movement. The existing article is a POV attempt to publicize and lend credibility to that movement. The movement is far from important enough to warrant an article, or to warrant attempting to balance the article. (Incidentally, the name is probably incorrect; Google search on "9-11 truth movement" in quotes gives 414 hits, "September 11th truth movement" gives none. Apparently Google hasn't indexed the Wikipedia page yet). [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 13:31, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Delete. [[User:Ensiform|Ensiform]]

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* [[Losing]] - dictionary definition, already at [[Wiktionary:lose]]. [[User:Onebyone|Onebyone]] 03:40, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Delete. Redundant definition. [[User:Coren|Coren]] 05:14, Jan 3, 2004 (UTC)

** Delete. [[User:Anjouli|Anjouli]] 05:37, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Delete. [[User:Tempshill|Tempshill]] 05:43, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Delete. [[User:RedWolf|RedWolf]] 07:59, Jan 3, 2004 (UTC)

** Delete! [[User:Optim|Optim]] 10:44, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Delete. [[User:Davodd|Davodd]] 10:52, Jan 3, 2004 (UTC)

** delete [[User:Ensiform|Ensiform]] 20:08, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Delete. [[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]] 21:51, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Delete. Obviously the consensus that [[Wikipedia is not a dictionary]] is quite strong here. [[User:Denelson83|Denelson83]] 05:57, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** I knew I should have deleted it when it was at [[Wikipedia:Cleanup]].... oh well. Delete. [[User:Ugen64|ugen64]] 21:42, Jan 4, 2004 (UTC)

====[[Nalgene]]====

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*[[Dada Manifesto]] - source text? move to wikisource? [[User:Secretlondon|Secretlondon]] 09:30, Jan 3, 2004 (UTC)

** move to wikisource, but certainly don't delete outright. [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] 10:17, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**This is the main text of [[Dadaism]]. Check for copyvio and move to Wikisource. [[User:Optim|Optim]] 10:44, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**moved it to wikisource. --[[User:Snoyes|snoyes]] 16:26, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

====[[Elena Filatova]]====

*[[Berkshire unitary district]]: This is a coinage of a term. If I google for this term I get only hits from wikipedia or sites using wikipedia source. The term is linked to, but only because the creator of the page made links to it - the subject is perfectly well covered at [[Unitary authority]]. [[User:Morwen|Morwen]] 12:02, Jan 3, 2004 (UTC)

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**Oh, I was wrong. The term is use by [http://www.abcounties.co.uk/newgaz/map2.htm], who are a very partisan group. This suggests the term is partisan itself, and the existence of the page violates NPOV. ;) [[User:Morwen|Morwen]] 12:13, Jan 3, 2004 (UTC)

**Idiosyncratic (not necessarily POV) terminology invented by the [http://www.abcounties.co.uk/newgaz/section2.htm#column6 ABC] to cover a minor legislative point. The distinction is made perfectly well on [[unitary authority]] in the paragraph ending "This is in practical terms the same thing." Delete. --[[User:Rbrwr|rbrwr]] 13:50, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Delete. Any useful information can be merged with [[unitary authority]]. [[User:Francs2000|Francs2000]] 02:21, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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*[[Quotations about Jesus in the Talmud]]: <strike>Essentially, the article consists of one quotation, which appears in an article in the Jewish press (''The Forward'') telling Jews not to protest the Mel Gibson film because there are Jewish sources that were not Jesus-friendly. Any context it has was actually written by me in [[Talk:Talmud]] to explain why the quote should not be in that article (in other words, I am being misquoted). No information about any other Talmudic quotes appears, though there is a quote from a letter by Maimonides referring to Jesus. Maimonides lived some 600 hundred years after the Talmud was completed. POV and lacks context. Delete. [[User:Danny|Danny]] 13:14, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)</strike>

**It certainly doesn't conform to [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style|style]]. [[User:Davodd|Davodd]] 13:17, Jan 3, 2004 (UTC)

**This content needs to be put somewhere: make it NPOV and add context yourself. And fix the style yourself. [[User:Dbabbitt|Dbabbitt]] 13:43, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC) Any story sounds good until the other side is told and sets the record straight. The anti-Jesus quotes in the Mel Gibson article must be brought into proper context to tell the other side of the story. [[User:Dbabbitt|Dbabbitt]] 14:40, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC) Rabbi Steinsaltz says Christians would do best to avoid these texts because there is nothing politically or theologically significant to them in Jewish tradition. Delete. [[User:Dbabbitt|Dbabbitt]] 15:39, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Another big problem with this article: Most of the censored rabbinic bits about "Jesus" were probably ''not'' about Jesus Christ. The name "yeshua" became a stand-in for any and all false Jewish messiahs in early rabbinic Judaism, both real people and legendary. Applying them all to one person is historically unjustifiable. Many of the stories are just totally removed from anything in the New Testament; many scholars are convinced that some of these cannot possibily be about the Christian Jesus. [[User:RK|RK]] 14:25, Jan 3, 2004 (UTC)

* Given Danny's recent rewriting of most of the text, keep it. --[[User:Zero0000|Zero]] 10:20, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

*I also change my vote to keep, since I can deal with it now. [[User:Danny|Danny]] 14:15, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

====[[Call of Duty: United Offensive]]====

*[[Otto Hermann Kahn]] - Looks like a fake biography. [[User:Wikikiwi|Wikikiwi]] 13:27, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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**Looks real to me. Other site such as [http://www.bartleby.com/65/ka/Kahn-Ott.html] have similar information. What is fake about it? [[User:Maximus Rex|Maximus Re]][[User talk:Maximus Rex|x]] 13:41, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Oheka Castle [http://www.oheka.com/index.html here] (already added to the article by Maximus Rex), books confirmed by [http://catalog.loc.gov/ LoC Catalog]; seems good to me. Keep. --[[User:Rbrwr|rbrwr]] 16:07, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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*[[Libertarian National Socialist Green Party]]. Seems like a joke website, rather than a political party. Even if they're serious, theres no evidence that they're a genuine political party, do they do anything except produce a website? Their site doesn't seem to indicate that they do. A Google search reveals only their official site and sites that simply talk about their official site. [[User:Saulisagenius|Saul Taylor]] 13:30, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** These <strike>wackos</strike> folks have been around at least since the mid 1990s. They seem more in the category of strange fringe groups which pop up on the internet than a political party of any influence, but as wikipedia is not paper, I make a weak vote to keep. IMO article should be trimmed to a short description and link to their site. I note Wikipedia has had an article on them since March of 2002. -- [[User:Infrogmation|Infrogmation]] 19:33, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

*** The point of Wikipedia is to provide information isn't it? This seems to be information to me: for (e.g.) a student studying politics or extremism (as I am doing for my International Baccalaureate Diploma) this is a useful resource. I intend to make use of it at a later date for an essay on modern fringe politics. Just because something is a joke or offends you doesn't mean that it should be deleted. I move to keep it. [[User:ranathari|Simon Stallworthy]]

**Keep. I have been aware of this organization since the early 90's, as mentioned above. go to http://nazi.org/ and study up on them, or heck, contact them and add yourself to their mailing list if you have any questions or concerns, but its not a joke. [[User:JackLynch|Jack]] 03:48, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Keep. Reading through the article some of their viewpoints are a bit on the extreme side, and I don't agree with them, but they seem to be a valid political party nonetheless. -- [[User:Francs2000|Francs2000]] 06:30, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

====[[Political terrorism]]====

=== January 3, Part 2 ===

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*[[The Money Masters]]&mdash;not important enough to warrant an encyclopedia article in itself. I perceive it as an effort to promote this documentary and, indirectly, its point of view. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 13:37, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Agree -- Delete. -- [[User:The Anome|The Anome]] 14:14, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**I disagree. Who do you think you are to decide this and that movie or documentary is not known-enough for wikipedia? IMDB score? It's source for- and information package for people wandering into fractional-reserve banking. I've made it initially into a stub, but I'm planning to extend it to mention the issues it covers. Would removing the external link make you happy in the mean time or should I remove the quote that I did not include in the first place? [[User:Finlander|Finlander]] 14:51, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

***OK, I looked for it on imdb and couldn't find it at all. Where is it? Closest thing I could find was a 1915 silent movie, a drama called "The Money Master" which is characterized as a "drama" and no description other than "keywords: ambition, anarchist, based-on-play, industrialist, moral-reformation, new-york-city, nurse, poverty, revenge" [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 15:05, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

****Yes, it is not in the imdb and I didn't say it is (does imdb cover documents?). [[User:Finlander|Finlander]] 15:23, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

*****[http://us.imdb.com/List?genres=Documentary&&tv=off&&nav=/Sections/Genres/Documentary/include-movies&&heading=10;Documentary%20movie 36,074 of them], by their count. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 19:19, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

****You might like to review the changes I made to the page and also, as you so allege that I'm advertising a small time document for my own benefit and not because it seems to be recognized and also I personally found it very enjoyable and informative, check out the &quot;Reviews and Comments&quot; page on the document's homepage and you will see that it has been recognized by several institutions, economic magazines and publishers and whatnot. [[User:Finlander|Finlander]] 15:23, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Keep or merge with another article (but I can't suggest any atm). I see no reason to delete this article. It seems encyclopedic to me and the production named "Money Masters" and the concept it discusses are well-known among people who study similar topics. It is possible that somebody may search wikipedia for this thing, so we should list it, as long as it does not cause any harm to Wikipedia and its readers (and as it is now, it doesn't). However, I have no problem to merge the contents with another page if you think this is better, but certainly do not delete. [[User:Optim|Optim]] 17:58, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

====[[Alphabetical List of Hoboken streets]]====

*[[How to adjust brakes]]: This is probably useful to someone, but it doesn't really belong in an encyclopedia, does it? Is there somewhere where such an article may be more appropriate? There is an article on [[bicycle brake systems]] that '''is''' appropriate and that covers the subject from an encyclopedic pov. -- [[User:Egil|Egil]] 13:56, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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**Keep. One of a series of useful articles listed under [[bicycle repair]]. [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred Bauder]] 15:14, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** <strike>Keep</strike> See below [[User:Ensiform|Ensiform]]

**move to wikibooks and delete. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']] 16:44, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

***I agree with Jiang now [[User:Ensiform|Ensiform]] 20:08, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

***As do I [[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]] 21:51, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Wikibooks. [[User:Coren|Coren]] 00:41, Jan 4, 2004 (UTC)

**A fine article, but one that should be in a "bike maintenance" wikibook. So move there, and delete here. -- [[User:Finlay McWalter|Finlay McWalter]] 04:32, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Splendid! Presumably, all of [[Bicycle repair]] should be moved to Wikibooks. [[User:Egil|Egil]]

**Though it pains me to say it, putting bicycle repair in a general article quickly gets into "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" territory. move it to Wikibooks. Maybe just keep the ubiquitous fixing a flat [[User:Dhodges|Dhodges]]

**Moved the following articles to Wikibooks: [[Bicycle repair]], [[Fixing a flat]], [[How to adjust brakes]], [[Truing a bicycle wheel]], [[Adjusting gears]], [[Mending a broken chain]], [[Yearly bicycle maintenance]]. I've put in pointers to Wikibooks in all of these. In addition, there are two redirects: [http://en2.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Adjusting_brakes&redirect=no Adjusting brakes], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Truing_a_wheel&redirect=no Truing a wheel]. Suggest the pages are kept as redirects to Wikibooks. -- [[User:Egil|Egil]] 23:03, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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*[[Propaganda model]] - looks like someone posted his SOC 101 class assignment there. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']] 14:12, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**A useful article could be written here, but this is not it. [[User:Moink|moink]] 21:46, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

===May 24===

*[[Thomas Jackson]] doesn't seem famous. The article smells like self-promotion and should instead redirect to Gen. [[Thomas J. Jackson]]. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']] 14:28, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

====[[Social surplus]]====

** Delete. Googling yields nothing, even after quite a bit of tweaking, author search the same, inserted by anonymous user who needs to come forward with some information. [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred Bauder]] 18:43, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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**The only Google hit for "homem alto com monocle" is to this article. Delete.

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*[[R. Joe Brandon]] - possible self-promotion; we're his number 1 hit on google. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']] 14:28, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Keep Not clear who posted this, but http://www.shovelbums.org/ is a substantial organization knowledge of which should prove useful to our readers. [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred Bauder]] 19:02, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

====[[Expression engine]]====

*[[Belonging]] -sub-stub; the other three basic needs seem to have been already deleted. Move to wiktionary? --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']] 14:28, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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**Wiktionary [[User:Optim|Optim]] 17:58, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Agree with Optim [[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]] 21:51, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Wiktionary Those 4 basic needs just don't Google anywhere but here. [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred Bauder]] 23:15, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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*[[Joseph Buford Cox]] vanity page "provided by his former step son, Gary Poole" --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']] 14:28, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Delete. This guy is not of encyclopedic importance. [[User:Moink|moink]] 21:46, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Keep A minor but significant inventor of a product used worldwide by many people.I have done a bit of work on the aricle. [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred Bauder]] 23:54, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

====[[The egg and the chicken problem]]====

*[[Behavior change]] consists of two quotations on the word behavior. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']] 14:43, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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**As someone said above, this could be an interesting article, but this isn't it. If someone hasn't altered it before a week's up, then delete. -- [[User:Francs2000|Francs2000]] 06:35, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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*[[JumpTheCroc]] is a personal attack. -- [[User:Seth Ilys|Seth Ilys]] 15:31, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Yeah, this is stupid. Delete. Mention the baby-dangling incident on the page on [[Steve Irwin]], certainly, but it doesn't need its own (extremely POV) page. [[User:Ensiform|Ensiform]]

** Crap. delete. --[[User:Rbrwr|rbrwr]] 16:07, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Delete. [[User:Optim|Optim]] 17:58, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Delete, or redirect to [[Steve Irwin]]. -- [[User:Infrogmation|Infrogmation]] 19:31, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Delete, do not redirect. The term is something the poster made up. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 20:04, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Short note at [[Steve Irwin]] and delete. [[User:Moink|moink]] 21:46, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Delete, no redirect, it's a POV personal attack. Make note on [[Steve Irwin]] for sure, but don't keep this. [[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]] 21:51, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** It is a variation of [[Jump the shark]] -- which is a real term used in television production... [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22jump+the+shark] ... has an interesting history ([[Happy Days]], [[Fonzie]] and a [[shark]] tank) and deserves an article.You can redir there. [[User:Davodd|Davodd]] 01:54, Jan 4, 2004 (UTC)

** Delete (without redirect). Wikipedia is not a slang dictionary. -- [[User:Finlay McWalter|Finlay McWalter]] 02:27, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

====[[Vince_Buffalo]]====

*[[Florentin Smarandache]] is a vanity page. If not delete, can't there be some disclaimer along the lines of "the information in this article is unverifiable" at the very least? but I'd like to see ''all'' vanity pages deleted. Especially since there such things as home pages and, here on Wiki, talk pages. [[User:Ensiform|Ensiform]] 15:50, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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**He seems to have published quite a few books, or so the article says. Were they published by a vanity press, or are they recognized? At the least the article needs some serious NPOV editing. [[User:Moink|moink]] 20:59, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Keep. Quite a bit to this guy, see http://www.ad-astra.ro/whoswho/view_profile.php?user_id=91&lang=en [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred Bauder]] 21:37, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

***Well, I might be wrong on this. The link above only leads to links on the guy's own home page for "support" of the claims; however, Amazon does have a lot of books by others on his work. My point (plaint?) about vanity pages, however, still stands. [[User:68.90.10.4|68.90.10.4]] 23:49, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Delete. Looks like a vanity page, quacks like a vanity page... [[User:Coren|Coren]] 00:41, Jan 4, 2004 (UTC)

**The big problem with the page is its unverifiability. It seems from [[User:Smarandache fan]] and this [http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2003-June/004264.html old mailing list post] that one person was adding lots of stuff about this guy (everywhere) back in June. This page should probably be deleted since it cannot be verified, or at least cut back to a minimal stub if reliable information is found. [[User:Maximus Rex|Maximus Re]][[User talk:Maximus Rex|x]] 01:48, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**We've been through all this before. Florentin Smarandache is annoying in his self-promotion, but annoyingly well known. A number of researchers have taken up his idea of three-valued logic, and have put it to useful application. A number of people have studied the sequences he introduced. Check the talk page for the archived text of the first VFD listing. -- [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] 10:07, Jan 4, 2004 (UTC)

** From [[Florentin Smarandache]]Thank you for your e-mail.The article on Wikipedia is not a vanity page; many people have added,

deleted, edited a text put by one of my former literary agents - without

telling it to me in the beginning.

As a prove to the fact that many people have worked in my mathematical and

literary ideas, people who also contributed to Wikipedia, you can see the

books that are selling in Amazon.com, or the books in many libraries - for

example at the Library of Congress, Washington DC. Those people who

contributed to some pages of my work were stigmatized by wikipedians who

could not believe so many people have written about my work. I am not interested in Wikipedia because they are not fear, they look to be

in some way against my work; I don't care what they do with that page. Dr. Florentin Smarandache

Associate Professor of Mathematics

University of New Mexico

200 College Road

Gallup, NM 87301, USA (Response in e-mail [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred Bauder]] 18:56, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC))

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*[[Statistical probability]] -- not a phrase used in the statistical or probabilistic literature. My basis for that assessment: having read some dozens of articles and books on probability and statistics topics; also, a Google search for "statistical probability" yields Wikipedia and Wikipedia copies among the top links, a number of accidental conjunctions of "statistical" and "probability", and nothing that could be called a basic source. The Wikipedia article itself doesn't bother to define "statistical probability" but rather only contains a collection of links to other articles. As such the article is unneeded, uninformative, and redundant. See also my comments on the [[Talk:Statistical_probability|talk page]]. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 16:00, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Move content into [[probability interpretations]] and redirect there. [[User:Onebyone|Onebyone]] 02:01, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

*** I'd like to suggest that there be no redirect page: of the pages that link to [[Statistical probability]], most are lists of the form "See also FOO, BAR, and Statistical Probability"; the only one that occurs in article text is a misdirected link -- specifically I mean the one in the final sentence of paragraph 5 of [[Multi-valued logic]], which goes <nowiki>[[Statistical probability|probability logic]]</nowiki> -- that should just link to [[probability logic]]. So I think all links to [[Statistical probability]] can be erased; no need for redirection. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 04:35, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

====[[...The Press!]]====

*[[Mac OS XI]] - Total Speculation, Mac OS XI doesn't exist, and no plans to release anything called Mac OS XI have been made by the Apple Computer Company that made the operating system Mac OS X. --[[User:Flockmeal|Flockmeal]] 19:23, Jan 3, 2004 (UTC)

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**Delete it. I try to follow the Mac news and nothing like this has surfaced. I just checked the [http://www.macrumors.com MacRumors] website; nothing there. In other words, not only does Mac OS XI not exist, I do not as yet see any evidence that such a ''rumor'' exists. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 21:14, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Delete. Unlikely to be announced before Duke Nukem Forever hits the shelves. :-) [[User:Coren|Coren]] 00:41, Jan 4, 2004 (UTC)

**Delete. Otherwise we may as well create an article for [[Mac OS Y]] too. :-) -[[User:Michael Rawdon|mhr]] 05:53, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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*[[Communist government]] - oxymoronic. Communism means the absence of government, thus a communist government is an oxymoron. You can have a socialist government (like the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics). You can have a communist party, or a communist society. But you can not have a communist government, it is an oxymoron. This page should be deleted, or at the very least moved to socialist government or communist society. If there is a detractor, can you please explain to me what a "communist government" is? This is the most inherently POV page I've seen yet from the title alone. It's kind of like saying Christians are people waiting for Jesus to return, and that he has returned, and he has renounced Christianity, and that all of this is a fact. -- [[User:Lancemurdoch|Lancemurdoch]] 20:45, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Keep Name has been changed to [[Marxist-Leninist dictatorship]] to deal with any ambiguity about ideals of pure communism.

** I think we have to go with common parlance on this one and keep. -- [[User:Stewacide|stewacide]] 21:41, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Keep. Regardless of what one or another group of people think "communist" ought to mean, a meaning which it actually has is "the parties of government in certain countries including the USSR, China and Cuba", and that is the meaning used here. Hence there is no contradiction. [[User:Onebyone|Onebyone]] 01:41, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Keep. You can have a Communist government (capital c) as in government run by the Communist Party. Now located at [[Marxist-Leninist government]]. Do explain more clearly how this term is not accepted by communists. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']] 02:37, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

==January 4==[[Guff]]====

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*[[The mo]]. Nonsense - AFAIK there are no [[Talpidae]] in New Zealand, and Mohair does not come from Mo-hair. But it's worth to be preserved as quite creative nonsense. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] 23:17, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Copied to [[Wikipedia:Yet more bad jokes and other deleted nonsense]] for posterity. Delete. --[[User:Rbrwr|rbrwr]] 00:05, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Delete, not that it has been preserved for prosterity. [[User:Coren|Coren]] 00:41, Jan 4, 2004 (UTC)

** Delete. No such creature. -- [[User:Vardion|Vardion]] 01:07, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Delete this -- but there may be room for a list of nonsense objects and animals devrived from brand names and English's pidgin-like evolution. - The Nauga (hide used for furniture), the Mo and the Tuit (in it's highly prized round form) come to mind. [[User:Davodd|Davodd]] 02:11, Jan 4, 2004 (UTC)

***And let us not forget the blister-treatment Moleskin, widely believed to produced by flaying moles, but actually woven ''by'' moles from lint that they painstakingly collect!

**Quite amusing, but since it's been copied to bad jokes, delete it. [[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]] 04:07, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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*[[Zeitgeist]] a short dictionary definition; [[WP:WINAD|wikipedia is not a dictionary]]. I have already moved it to wiktionary [http://wiktionary.org/wiki/Zeitgeist]. [[User:Maximus Rex|Maximus Re]][[User talk:Maximus Rex|x]] 02:49, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Delete then. [[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]] 04:07, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Neutral. If not deleted, I morphed it into a disambig page. [[User:Davodd|Davodd]] 04:10, Jan 4, 2004 (UTC)

** Keep as disambig page, but the articles the disambig page link too need to be at least written as stubs with basic info, I'd do it, but don't know anything about those topics.--[[User:Flockmeal|Flockmeal]] 07:07, Jan 4, 2004 (UTC)

** Keep --[[User:Raul654|Raul654]] 11:16, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Keep (especially because of Sterlings novelle with the name, and because of Googles zeitgeist search function) -- [[User:Tillwe|till we *)]] 20:25, Jan 4, 2004 (UTC)

====[[Chung Ling Record]]====

*[[Nasheed]] - inadequate dictionary definition. [[User:Onebyone|Onebyone]] 04:02, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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**Delete [[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]] 04:07, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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*[[Fail]] - dictionary definition. [[User:Onebyone|Onebyone]] 05:08, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Wikitionary and delete.

====[[Chinese cannibalism]]====

*[[Danish and Norwegian alphabet]] - orphan (hence unnecessary) disambiguation-style page, cannot be made into a sensible redirect. However, does contain edit histories for [[Danish alphabet]] and [[Norwegian alphabet]]. [[User:Onebyone|Onebyone]] 05:19, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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**Delete. A note on each page (DK alpha + N alpha) to say it's similar to the other, definitely, but this one isn't even a disambig page. -- [[User:Francs2000|Francs2000]] 06:40, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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*[[Pr0n]] - orphan, jargon definition. No possibility of ever being made into a real article. [[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]] 06:08, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Delete -- this definition is already covered under [[leet]]. [[User:Mirv|--MIRV]] 06:32, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Redirect to [[pornography]], and add it as an alternate spelling at the top of the [[pornography]] article. --[[User:Raul654|Raul654]] 11:15, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**I made the article. It is not meant as a jargon definition, but rather as a redirect to both [[pornography]] and [[leet]]. While I admit it will not become a full article, I think it is quite functional as a 2-way redirect. If this idea is totally at odds with the wikipedia guidelines then I think it should be folded into pornography as [[User:Raul654|Raul654]] suggested. [[User:Thue|Thue]] 13:10, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

*** Definitely NOT a purpose at Wikipedia to become a "Leet" dictionary. Move into [[Leet]], then "deleet" - [[User:Marshman|Marshman]] 18:16, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

====[[Iraq Liberation Act]]====

*[[All_You_Zombies_(song)]] - orphan. The band that performed it doesn't even have a page, so obviously they're not important enough that this song warrants its own article. [[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]] 06:11, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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**The band has actually released six albums to date [http://hometown.aol.com/drldeboer/hoo/althoot.htm]. I don't know if they're any good but just because the band doesn't have an article on wikipedia, doesn't mean it's not good or worthy of an article. Likewise the song sounds interesting, though the article in its current form isn't a good one. -- [[User:Francs2000|Francs2000]] 06:49, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Delete unless fixed within time limit. [[User:Onebyone|Onebyone]] 14:09, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Have updated the page a bit, and it's no longer an orphan either. Also The Hooters page has come a long way. Vote to keep. [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 23:16, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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*[[Field trip]] is a dictionary definition. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']] 07:30, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Move to wiktionary and delete. -- [[User:Francs2000|Francs2000]] 07:34, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**Wiktionary and del. [[AMORC|⁺]][[User:Optim|Optim]] 09:45, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

====[[SchneersonQuotes]]====

*[[Age of cattle]] features a quote from a book that "may not be accurate", and nothing else. -- [[User:Francs2000|Francs2000]] 08:34, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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**This is probably a copyright violation. Compare with [http://www.publicbookshelf.com/public_html/The_Household_Cyclopedia_of_General_Information/agecattle_if.html Original Article] and read the [http://www.publicbookshelf.com/terms.htm terms and copyright]. They say: ''"5. Use on Other Web Sites. The Contents are licensed only for the personal, household, educational use by a single individual. Reproducing Content on another site or redistributing Content is forbidden. Taking Content from this site and editing it and posting it on another site is also forbidden. Framing of this site is forbidden."''. Thanks to [[User:Chadloder]] for locating the web source (this was done on 24th January '''2003''', ''do we really have a copyvio publication published here for a year???'') [[AMORC|^.]][[User:Optim|Optim]] 10:02, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**The copyright claim is invalid because the ''Household Cyclopedia'', being published in 1884 is in the public ___domain. [[User:Toph99|Toph99]] 12:31, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

**The article should be merged into an article on cattle or cows or bovines. However, I would be a bit wary of "technical" info that is this old. Still, it could be moved with the 1884 tag until someone with knowledge about aging cows comes along to correct - [[User:Marshman|Marshman]] 18:08, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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* [[Techno-oligarchy]]: fails the Google test: 83 Google hits, mostly from mirrors of this article. [[User:The Anome|The Anome]] 10:03, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Delete. Mostly just BS - [[User:Marshman|Marshman]] 18:13, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Redirect to [[technocracy]]. If they are slightly different concepts add a note to [[technocracy]]. [[User:Moink|moink]] 21:28, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

====[[Yayhooray]]====

* [[Fishbait]] - dictionary definition. [[User:Onebyone|Onebyone]] 16:39, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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** Delete - [[User:Marshman|Marshman]] 18:13, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Jargon def might be suitable for wiktionary, but delete from here. [[User:Moink|moink]] 21:28, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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* [[Supporting character]] - definition? Needs putting out of its misery. [[User:Onebyone|Onebyone]] 16:58, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Delete. Not very well written - [[User:Marshman|Marshman]] 18:13, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Delete. Dictionary definition. [[User:Moink|moink]] 21:28, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

====[[Uppercase Day]]====

* [[Vanity of Duluoz]] - has had a VfD marker since [[December 10]]. Mostly nonsense. [[User:Onebyone|Onebyone]] 17:11, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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** Delete. I had a kneejerk "keep" reaction before I read the article, because I think the novel could be worthy of a dictionary entry&mdash;I say this, even though personally I was quite unable to finish it&mdash;but what's there looks like an attempt at humor, and a feeble one at that. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 19:18, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

** Just edit. Take out the BS and leave the quick summary. [[User:Moink|moink]] 21:28, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

***Not to be argumentative... oh, all right, to ''be'' argumentative... just which part do you think is the "quick summary?" I can't separate it from the BS myself. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 22:52, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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* [[Soylent Greens]] -- recently created out of green anarchism, but I doubt (and google doubts that, too), that there really exist a relevant political tendency that calls itself ''Soylent Greens'' -- [[User:Tillwe|till we *)]] 20:25, Jan 4, 2004 (UTC)

====[[Wikipedia:Who]]====

* [[Tape snake]] - very few relevant Google hits, page itself is almost useless. [[User:Evercat|Evercat]] 23:10, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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====[[Canadian gun registry]]====

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=== May 25 ===

====[[Jason_Richey]]====

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====[[CCITT X.409 '84]]====

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==== [[Bandwagon Oklahoma Music]] and [[BandwagonOK]] ====

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====[[Tom Jackson]]====

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====[[Windermere Real Estate]]====

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====[[Robert Kyle Wilson]]====

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====[[Massage_Therapy_School_-_NMSNT]]====

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====[[Jetsam]]====

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====[[Knut_Lyngar]]====

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====[[True Magic]]====

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====[[Stepping-stone democrat]]====

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====[[Cap N1ne]]====

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====[[Phartcore_metal]]====

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====[[User:195.93.34.12/message]]====

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====[[Kevin_Anderson]]====

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====[[Stuffology]]====

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====[[Trosh]]====

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====[[Toas]]====

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====[[Jerome War Relocation Center]]====

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====[[Tarppy]]====

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====[[Ulrike Köhler]] and [[Jochen Köhler]]====

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=== May 26 ===

====[[White nationalist FAQ]]====

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====[[Sexdecillion]], [[Quattuordecillion]], [[Quindecillion]], [[Tredecillion]], [[Undecillion]]====

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====[[footjob]]====

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====[[Star of the County Down]]====

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====[[William Guzzardi]]====

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====[[David Pearce]]====

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====[[Hedonistic imperative]]====

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====[[Nick Bostrom]]====

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====[[World Transhumanist Association]]====

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==== [[Michael H. Hart]] ====

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====[[Haifa Linux Club]]====

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====[[Natural Hygiene]]====

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====[[Karmann]]====

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====[[LUX]]====

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====[[Partit Nacionalista Liberal de Catalunya]]====

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====[[UNaXcess]]====

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====[[Cairns State High School]]====

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=== May 27 ===

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====[[Guánica Bay]]====

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====[[Vollis]]====

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====[[Disassociate]]====

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====[[Mr.Bits]]====

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====[[Quantum phase transition]]====

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====[[List of people who have not committed suicide]]====

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====[[Kassandra Hiroshima]] and [[Kassandra HiroshimA]]====

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====[[A. Smith]]====

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====[[Digivolve]]====

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====[[Nothlit (Animorphs)]]====

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=== May 28 ===

====[[Heck]]====

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====[[Mudgik]]====

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Apologies, was not logged in.

I do not expect you to understand the importance a mutable archive of Mudgik would provide the Mudgik community. The remark is blunderous; importance is relative.

It is not a [[website]] it was a [[MUD]].

It exists today in two forms (I am still researching them).

For more MUDs that aren't 'that important' please see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUD#Popular_MU*s

Keepers. [[User:Yeago|Yeago]] 04:09, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

====[[Claire Chow]]====

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====[[Bikeshed]]====

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====[[Advanet]]====

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====[[Template:Top seeds for French Open 2004]]====

Is there going to be one of these for every Grand Slam in every year? By the end of the year, will there be four of these on the [[Serena Williams]] page with eighty names listed? At the end of five years, will there be twenty of them on her page? [[User:RickK|Rick]][[User talk:RickK|'''K''']] 04:03, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

====[[Miscible]]====

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