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[http://english.pravda.ru/accidents/21/96/382/15551_basayev.html BBC on power outage claims]

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Marked as currentevents - Does the page need to be backlinked to from the [[current events]] page? [[User:Mrzaius|Mrzaius]] 19:08, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

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==Vandalism in Death section==

I doubt he was performing fellatio on a friend as stated in the article.

== Official version ==

Hey, take a look, this page was cited by CNN!

[http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/08/russia.basayev/]

:Yeah, and that's a worry considering the article has no references section. For all we know the authors could be making stuff up (though I doubt it). Please provide us with a reference section! It looks bad when the news media publishes information from our website without a reference to where you guys gathered the information from. - [[User:Ta bu shi da yu|Ta bu shi da yu]] 12:03, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

"According to this official version, a detonator with a remote control hidden in one of the explosives was detonated by FSB agents..." Although some western media claims it is the official version,

Wasn't the "outhouse" speech (not the "shithouse") pronounced much much later?[[User:Gaidash|Gaidash]] 4 July 2005 07:42 (UTC)

there were no official version at all , (Exept that he was killed in a special operation).

:No, the article is correct - the outhouse speech was made when Putin was still prime minister, i.e. between August and December 1999. Incidentally, "blasting in the outhouses" ( literally, "soaking in the outhouses" ) is a preexisting Russian idiom - some meaning is lost in translation. --[[User:Itinerant1|Itinerant1]] 22:38, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Patruchef (FSB cheef) told in a Brifing, he (or somebody else) is not authorised to tell how Bassajew was killed.

Taking his statement out of context. That is not NPOV. The meaning is more like 'yeah yeah whatever you say I am' meaning the 'Western' definition of terrorism is whoever fights back against them. (This has nothing to do with whether or not he was actually a terrorist, I am not commenting on that).

==How to edit==

Here is your edit I reverted:

:''Among the Chechens and their supporters he is a "separatist", for fighting to separate from Russia; but he is, unequivocally among the greater part of Russians, a "[[terrorist]]".''

27 November 2006

Wiki is a worldwide encyclopedia. He is notable not just to Chechans and Russians, but worldwide. And "unequivocally" is very very rarely used as it is POV. And yours does not define what a separatist is or why he would be considered a terrorist. --[[User:Noitall|Noitall]] 04:57, August 12, 2005 (UTC)

== Former OMON member? ==

**IMPORTANT NOTE: In a recent TV interview by ABC (yes, he gives TV interviews to American television networks and yet somehow the Russian authorities can't find him to shoot him dead), he called HIMSELF a terrorist. Cite: [http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:w5sFTq8LntMJ:edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/08/02/russia.abc.reut/+Shamil+Basayev+site:cnn.com&hl=en&start=1] Take that as you will, but since he calls himself a terrorist, it is definitely NPOV to call him what he calls himself. Russians DO consider him a terrorist, and he calls himself that openly. [[User:Xaa|Xaa]] 07:30, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

"Basayev had served in the OMON forces in the Soviet times. The Basayev brothers participated, among the Soviet troops, the fighting of the TV tower of Vilnius, against the independence movement of Lithuania. As young hotheads, Shamil and his brother Shirvani Basayev had joined the Russian military intelligence GRU in the Abkhaz War against Georgia, although Georgia was the only state around that favored independent Chechnya. To the first Chechen War, Shamil Basayev went as a more mature nationalist Chechen patriot. Then, however, having acquainted with Khattab, and especially having lost the presidential election to Maskhadov, Basayev started to define himself as an "Islamic Che Guevara", and he announced he was opposed to both "Russian imperialist colonialism" and "nationalism" of the Chechen leaders Dudayev and Maskhadov." [http://www.cc.jyu.fi/~aphamala/pe/2003/tsets-4.htm]

I see what Wiki is now, yes. And what Wiki will always be. And I see now that politics isn't and will never be Wiki's ___domain.

Oh, and Shrivani needs an article too.

Do you notice, out there in the West, that the East Europeans behave differently? That they laugh a little at this NPOV, that it seems ridiculous to them? Have you ever thought that this is not a whim, but a result of certain differences?

== Putin duel offer in 2000 ==

I'm not arguing for anything. I'm wondering how you can congratulate yourself when you've fallen into meekness? When "information" has become, for you, as slippery as oil? When, instead of acknowledging two sides with dignity - or acknowleding none at all - you would insult your reader and offend him by diffusing every cup of coffee until it is water?

I wanted to mention this, but I can't find it out now. It was among the lines "let's fight with knives, you are a judo black belt master and I am invalid". Anyone can help? --[[User:HanzoHattori|HanzoHattori]] ([[User talk:HanzoHattori|talk]]) 20:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I say again: do you need to define "terrorist"? Is the motto of Wikipedia "you can't ever REALLY know anything"?

:https://edgar-leitan.livejournal.com/152735.html

As to the Russians and Chechens. For God's sake, this is the Russians' and the Chechens' article. Whom in heck does it concern what the others think? Look around, and you'll notice there is no such thing as a "supporter of Russia" - only a Russian. Is that an accident? --[[User:VKokielov|VKokielov]] 16:22, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

:I know this is 17 years old but here's a source for the statement. [[Special:Contributions/2601:245:4603:5120:FD6A:3DCF:AEB2:22EC|2601:245:4603:5120:FD6A:3DCF:AEB2:22EC]] ([[User talk:2601:245:4603:5120:FD6A:3DCF:AEB2:22EC|talk]]) 18:33, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

== Ottoman Empire leaders ==

I'll substantiate this by recommending that you grab a style manual for any encyclopedia and see for yourself whether "some" and "others" are good words. I will wager anything that you'll be told to run from them like from fire. --[[User:VKokielov|VKokielov]] 16:43, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Much is not known about him but he was a leader with multiple medals [[Special:Contributions/2601:2C6:837F:7F56:87F6:A468:E91B:A7BB|2601:2C6:837F:7F56:87F6:A468:E91B:A7BB]] ([[User talk:2601:2C6:837F:7F56:87F6:A468:E91B:A7BB|talk]]) 17:00, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

::Well, if you don't understand Wiki or proper editing, I can only point you in the right direction. Your assertion that "For God's sake, this is the Russians' and the Chechens' article" is entirely wrong, it is a worldwide article. And the fact that you argue that terrorists do not need to be defined because you, [[User:VKokielov|VKokielov]] is both false and not useful to Wiki readers. A person does not have to support Russia in any action to call Basayev a terrorist. --[[User:Noitall|Noitall]] 21:37, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

::Thanks. Let's start a catfight, shall we? Or should I accuse you of "original research" in retaliation? --[[User:VKokielov|VKokielov]] 02:16, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

:: Where did I say that "terrorist" doesn't need to be defined? I said, "Would you really define". What in the world could I possibly mean? Surely not that, if the blue link is still there. --[[User:VKokielov|VKokielov]] 02:21, 16 August 2005 (UTC)