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==Full lineups==

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Wouldn't it be good to add the lineups from each year's festival?

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== biggest greenfield festival ==

Obviously due to the nature of the festival, for a lot of people it's very hard to remember what acts actually played, but I think this could be a nice historic piece in the long-term. :-)

:I'm not sure it would be practical to post the ''entire'' line-up for each stage for each year, it would probably have to be restricted to the headliners. But that would create a false impression as the Glastonbury festival is not just about the bands, there is so much more to it than that. - TylerD

::Why would it not be practical? We can easily make pages for each year and put the lineup and other details on those pages.. --[[User:Steinsky|Steinsky]] 22:03, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

::OK, maybe it's worth a shot. But we do need to get across that there's so much more to Glasto than just being another music festival. It needs coverage of the Green Fields, Lost Vagueness etc. - TylerD

this statement is false ie zwart cross in NL hosts 240.000 people! <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/84.104.185.6|84.104.185.6]] ([[User talk:84.104.185.6|talk]]) 18:55, 22 March 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

I'm sure [[Franz Ferdinand]] played in 2004 but there is no mention of them in the Guardian site. [[User:Lumos3|Lumos3]]

[[Zwarte Cross]] may be bigger but Glastonbury admits all festival goers for three days and only counts them once. Some other festivals admit people on a daily basis then add up the figures so that some people who go in for more than one day count more than once. What system does Zwarte Cross use? [[User:Britmax|Britmax]] ([[User talk:Britmax|talk]]) 19:12, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

==Photos==

Are any wikipedians going this year, or have past photos? It would be nice to get a picture or two for the article, maybe one of the pyramid and one of the whole site from up at the stone circle? --[[User:Steinsky|Steinsky]] 23:03, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)

This so called festival is is a middle-class bourgeoisie opportunity to pose.[[Special:Contributions/2.27.57.177|2.27.57.177]] ([[User talk:2.27.57.177|talk]]) 18:00, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

: Well I've got this one of the giant "LOVE" sculpture from 2002... http://www.geocities.com/drgazowen/photos/festivals2002/019-16a.jpg , and the one at [[John Otway]]. I've probably got some more knocking about somewhere...

You are 100% correct. [[Special:Contributions/78.151.30.73|78.151.30.73]] ([[User talk:78.151.30.73|talk]]) 13:57, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

: I still haven't developed mine from last year yet. Doh! I'm bringing a digicam this year, so hopefully will have some decent ones then. A night shot from the stone circle showing all the camp fires across the site would rock, but that's going to need slow film and a tripod. - TylerD

:Have you ever been there? [[User:Britmax|Britmax]] ([[User talk:Britmax|talk]]) 07:22, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

: I am going this year and will take pictures. If anyone wants to upload pictures to Wikipedia let me know as I am doing IT support for Greenpeace there and will have internet access, card readers etc. [[User:Justinc|Justinc]] 10:32, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== No blacks in the audience ==

: Have put a picture up for [[Michael Eavis]], will go through the rest. [[User:Justinc|Justinc]] 1 July 2005 17:33 (UTC)

Glastonbury's clientele (audience) is almost exclusively white and middle class.

: All of my Glasto 2k5 pictures are available at http://themsquared.fotopic.net/ and include a few of the floods, the mud and the pyramid stage...

You won't see any black faces in the audience.

There are some black acts though; this is a positive thing (in my view).

Should we add this information to the article? If so, how can we?

==Kylie==

With Kylie getting cancer treatment, will she still be headling Glasto? --[[User:Madchester|Madchester]] 08:34, 2005 May 17 (UTC)

The [[English class system]] is alive and kicking. [[Special:Contributions/78.149.211.10|78.149.211.10]] ([[User talk:78.149.211.10|talk]]) 03:55, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

==Requested move==

* ''Glastonbury Festival'' is used throughout the article, and on most of the external links, including the [http://www.glastonburyfestivals.co.uk/ official site]. Currently [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Glastonbury_festival|What links here]] is split about equally between the upper and lower case ''F''. [[User:Vclaw|Vclaw]] 28 June 2005 12:54 (UTC)

::''Add *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''' followed by an optional one sentence explanation and sign your vote with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>''

*'''Support''', I hadn't noticed that. [[User:Steinsky|Joe D]] [[User talk:Steinsky|(t)]] 28 June 2005 13:05 (UTC)

*'''Support''', I always wondered why the "F" was never in the uppercase. --[[User:Madchester|Madchester]] June 30, 2005 19:51 (UTC)

*'''Support''', Yeah, it makes sense to me. [[User:Cherry blossom tree|Cherry blossom tree]] 30 June 2005 21:15 (UTC)

* '''Support'''. [[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User_talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 1 July 2005 18:11 (UTC)

:Re Glastonbury, do you mean recently or over the course of the last forty odd years? because if you think that you're wrong. Anyway, if you can find a reliable source that says this it can go in. [[User:Britmax|Britmax]] ([[User talk:Britmax|talk]]) 07:20, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

===Discussion===

::''Add any additional comments''

*I was expecting this to be a request to move it to the official name (which I wouldn't have supported)! [[User:Steinsky|Joe D]] [[User talk:Steinsky|(t)]] 28 June 2005 13:05 (UTC)

:By the way, the source you used claims that you can tell that the entire audience join along with The Feeling's version of "Video Killed The Radio Star" not knowing that it is a Trevor Horn Song. Well this was 2008 and I was there and I am well aware that this was a hit for The Buggles in 1979, thank you. What other smug generalisations would you like? I could read it all and find some. [[User:Britmax|Britmax]] ([[User talk:Britmax|talk]]) 07:37, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

{{moved}} [[User:Vclaw|Vclaw]] 5 July 2005 13:09 (UTC)

::I have read it all now and that's not entirely fair, they do make some interesting points about the way the festival has changed over time. But it is still not a reliable source for an encyclopedia. [[User:Britmax|Britmax]] ([[User talk:Britmax|talk]]) 08:01, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Here's another source. The bloke makes the same point about Wimbledon tennis club.http://www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/lifestyle-opinion/theyre-hitting-wrong-notes-glastonbury-7346961

I don't know about smug generalisations. The only smugness I've seen emanates from the white middle class kids at Glasto, but that's my POV of course. Incidentally I am white and middle class and English, for what it's worth.

==Economics==

I do try to be unsmug, even if I don't always succeed. Cheers. [[User:Wythy|Wythy]] ([[User talk:Wythy|talk]]) 15:19, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

There isn't any information on the economics of the festival - whether it makes a profit, how it is distributed. As far as I know, it's unique in large festivals as not being run as a profit making exercise, but it's difficult to find any facts regarding this side of things.

Read my remarks again. I was talking about the "source", not you. [[User:Britmax|Britmax]] ([[User talk:Britmax|talk]]) 18:02, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

==Source==

: As a 30 year veteran of Glastonbury Festivals I would agree with the comment about there being few black faces amongst the festival goers and that the source given does not meet the [[WP:RS|reliable source]] guideline. [http://www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/lifestyle-opinion/theyre-hitting-wrong-notes-glastonbury-7346961 This article by Peter Collins in Wales Online] may be slightly better (and makes the same points) but I'm finding it difficult to find any really good sources which could be cited for the claim.&mdash; [[User:Rodw|Rod]] ^{[[User talk:Rodw|talk]]} 18:50, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

An anon user added to the paragraph on Emily Eavis:

::I'm not a thirty year veteran. The first time I went was in ninety eighty fi.. never mind. [[User:Britmax|Britmax]] ([[User talk:Britmax|talk]]) 19:39, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

:She has been quoted as finding the festival "difficult to manage".

:::I first went in 1982 & lost count somewhere in the late 80s but checking makes this year my 30th visit (as either punter crew or performer). It has certainly changed in that time, but finding the sources to back up the descriptions of those changes is more difficult.&mdash; [[User:Rodw|Rod]] ^{[[User talk:Rodw|talk]]} 20:45, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Hello Rod. Of course your opinion is not NPOV. But given your experiences at Glasto. would you say the sources are correct in their views on black faces at the festival? Cheers. [[Special:Contributions/78.149.211.10|78.149.211.10]] ([[User talk:78.149.211.10|talk]]) 21:02, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

I googled the quote with "Emily Eavis" and found nothing, again with "Glastonbury Festival" and found five irrelevant results. Can anybody provide a source for this? [[User:Steinsky|Joe D]] [[User talk:Steinsky|(t)]] 29 June 2005 13:29 (UTC)

:Never mind, the editor was a vandal. [[User:Steinsky|Joe D]] [[User talk:Steinsky|(t)]] 29 June 2005 13:36 (UTC)

In addition...using the [[Duck test]], the audience do appear to be nearly all white, middle class Brits (if not actually English and Welsh). [[User:Wythy|Wythy]] ([[User talk:Wythy|talk]]) 21:07, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

== Duplication bug ==

:We don't go by what they appear to be. One of the "sources" is described as an opinion piece in the header and the other is the one that thought that no-one in the audience knew that The Feeling's version of "Video Killed the Radio Star" is a cover on the basis of nothing whatsoever. If this is the quality of your "evidence" I am not impressed. [[User:Britmax|Britmax]] ([[User talk:Britmax|talk]]) 18:36, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

It looks like the OP has been spending too much time watching Adelle from the Cider Bus. Try going to Silver Hayes or West Holts or wandering around the site a bit, and there are plenty of 'black faces'. There's even bloody foreigners. The audience may have changed from [[crusties]] to the cleaner middle classes, but you'll find even black people in the middle classes these days. [[Special:Contributions/80.43.241.94|80.43.241.94]] ([[User talk:80.43.241.94|talk]]) 15:28, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

There appears to be a duplication problem. The pics are duplicated and if I edit to try to fix this the text gets duplicated too. Someone has tried to fix this before... [[User:Justinc|Justinc]] 8 July 2005 08:40 (UTC)

== 1990s: 1992 was the first year that the new age travellers were not initially allowed onto the site free; ==

1992 was the first year that the new age travellers were not initially allowed onto the site free.

Can this be somehow rephrased, reframed; the 1990 festival was the final year IIRC that the 'travellers' had a field alongside the main festival, with open access into the festival. But there were also bands and performers that played in the travellers' field (e.g on Wango Riley's stage) and perhaps also by that time sound-systems such as Spiral Tribe.[[Special:Contributions/92.40.12.161|92.40.12.161]] ([[User talk:92.40.12.161|talk]]) 01:27, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

:I don't know the details but those years would be right: the "Battle of Yeoman's Bridge", the occurrence that led to the divide with the travellers, happened after the festival in 1990. They then had a rest year in 1991 and returned in 1992. [[User:Britmax|Britmax]] ([[User talk:Britmax|talk]]) 09:41, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

::Kind of adds up. "We are in business to make money" was the mantra at the time. And "Greed is good" and so on. [[Special:Contributions/78.149.214.161|78.149.214.161]] ([[User talk:78.149.214.161|talk]]) 00:49, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

:::I don't see the relevance. If you think it was about money you may have to read up on The Battle of Yeoman's Bridge. [[User:Britmax|Britmax]] ([[User talk:Britmax|talk]]) 18:18, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

It's true that initially they where not allowed onto the site for free, Eavis was not happy with the travellers and said that "if they wanna come they pay". But in reality there was a big traveller field with a long gap in the fence into the festival. In 1993 the fence went around the whole festival without gaps. So 1993 is the first year without the traveller field. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/85.225.149.252|85.225.149.252]] ([[User talk:85.225.149.252#top|talk]]) 05:52, 24 July 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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== Coachella ==

Is this festival's attendance of 198,000 in 2015 a fair comparison with Glastonbury, or is Coachella actually two festivals that take place on consecutive weekends on the same site? [[User:Britmax|Britmax]] ([[User talk:Britmax|talk]]) 23:04, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

:I think that's an unfair comparison. The difference could be explained in a footnote, but that would probably lose much of its point. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 23:12, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

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== Television ==

Is there a reference to the fact it was first televised in 1994.

I am fairly sure some of the performances from the 1982 festival were televised albeit not live.

I would need to dig out my video tapes to check the date and it would be original research.

1994 might be first live TV.

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I believe that at least Judie Tzuke and the Climax Blues band were filmed, possibly more. [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C6:54B2:8401:649C:5AA5:5837:2391|2A00:23C6:54B2:8401:649C:5AA5:5837:2391]] ([[User talk:2A00:23C6:54B2:8401:649C:5AA5:5837:2391|talk]]) 21:18, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

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== the sound/amps - 1971 festival ==

I was there, and I can tell you that the music portion of this concert was somewhat hurt by the bad sound. The brittle sound of the attending recordings of some of the artists are not entirely due to limitations of the recording equipment - there were lots of complaints among my fellow grass-sitters that the sound was terrible. Loud, but badly distorted at times. I have not run across a book that covered that aspect of the festival, but if anyone can find a news report or some other document of this fact, it should go in the article. I've been to many other open-air shows, and this was by far the worst sounding. [[Special:Contributions/50.111.25.206|50.111.25.206]] ([[User talk:50.111.25.206|talk]]) 16:30, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

== Source incomplete ==

In the organization section it says:

Glastonbury Festivals Ltd donates most of their profits to charities, including donations to local charity and community groups and paying for the purchase and restoration of the Tithe Barn in Pilto

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==2019: anyone else going?==

Have just started a project page to encourage others to photograph acts, especially those for which we have no image on Wikimedia Commons. The page is [[Wikipedia:Glastonbury 2019]]. Sort by Start, then by Day, to get a proper chronology. Others are welcome to add more, including redlinks too for acts without an article - some will not (yet) meet our notability criteria, but hard to see any downside in having their images on Commons. [[User:Edwardx|Edwardx]] ([[User talk:Edwardx|talk]]) 14:13, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

:I will be there and trying to contribute some pictures. If others are going to be onsite it has been suggested that we could do a "meet-up" perhaps in one of the bars. If anyone esle is up for this (as well as helping to get the pics) could you suggest a time and place which would be best to meet?&mdash; [[User:Rodw|Rod]] ^{[[User talk:Rodw|talk]]} 19:39, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

==Come again?==

''Glastonbury was heavily influenced by hippie ethics and the free festival movement in the late 1960s and early 1970s, beginning with the Isle of Wight Festival (1968–1970), which featured performances by The Who, amongst many other artists.''

I'd take issue with this line. 1) it implies IoW was a free festival with hippie ethics, which it definitely wasn't. At Shepton Mallett, there was an impromptu campground 'free stage' with Pink Fairies and Hawkwind playing off a flatbed truck, then there was Phun City, then Pink Fairies and Hawkwind also set up in the campground at 1970 IoW. Could be better worded, possibly just breaking up into 2) If we are going to mention any names from IoW, surely Jimi Hendrix should be included.

Personally I'd also mention Pink Fairies in the 1971 line up. They were a draw, and featured on the LP.

I have done an [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Glastonbury_Festival&action=historysubmit&type=revision&diff=1011131759&oldid=1009770434 edit]. Ultimately I decided the whole 'hippie ethics' didn't need to be in 1970, and just moved the ref up to the same copy already in the lede.[[User:Wwwhatsup|Wwwhatsup]] ([[User talk:Wwwhatsup|talk]]) 05:20, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

== Inserted the When template in 2000s section ==

It says: "the largest legitimate attendance to date". Does that mean until 2007, or all time? I think that needs clarifying. [[User:KaraLG84|KaraLG84]] ([[User talk:KaraLG84|talk]]) 14:21, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Bro Van [[Special:Contributions/117.20.113.199|117.20.113.199]] ([[User talk:117.20.113.199|talk]]) 20:01, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

== Children Invasion? ==

''1984 saw the stage invaded by children during The Smiths' set.''

This seems to be a misunderstanding. None of the two references speak of children. The quotes are:

<u>"[...] but there was a stage invasion at the end of the set ( presumably by fans , not detractors )"</u>

and

<u>"This kid was climbing to get on the stage and I pulled him up," he explained."</u>

The here cited Johnny Marr of The Smiths speaks about a young adult, as "kid" is a informal term for that.

Nowhere in the sources is an implication that the stage could have been invaded by actual children. [[Special:Contributions/153.100.178.162|153.100.178.162]] ([[User talk:153.100.178.162|talk]]) 00:55, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

== Pages for each year ==

Hey @[[User:Tiny Particle|Tiny Particle]] are you really going to create a new Wikipedia page for every year of Glastonbury (~50)? [[User:OXYLYPSE|OXYLYPSE]] ([[User talk:OXYLYPSE|talk]]) 17:30, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:I think I already have, haven't I? [[User:Tiny Particle|Tiny Particle]] ([[User talk:Tiny Particle|talk]]) 18:16, 8 June 2025 (UTC)