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== Basic info missing ==
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I read a lot of articles about modern songs. Most of them lack any basic technical information, which is a real shame. One exception is At Seventeen, which has ""At Seventeen" is composed in the key of C major using common time and a moderate tempo of 126 beats per minute." Is there some way to make it a standard practice to add this kind of information? [[User:Kdammers|Kdammers]] ([[User talk:Kdammers|talk]]) 14:06, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
If anyone is interested, I may will applying [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Music/Wikipedia OmniMusica]]. This is a proposal to tag articles as being suitable for inclusion in a print version of music-related topics on Wikipedia. [[User:TUF-KAT|Tuf-Kat]] 09:14, Mar 12, 2005 (UTC)
:Not really, as 1) we can't ''make'' anyone have interest in adding things and 2) it often isn't covered by [[WP:RS|reliable sources]], and Wikipedia requires that for inclusion per [[WP:V]]. For example, I write a lot in the rock music content area, and many of the articles I've written, I couldn't add that if I wanted to, as I simply have no way of knowing it in the first place. [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 14:43, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
:Sounds good to me! [[User:Antandrus|Antandrus]] 15:45, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
:We could add recomended sources to the project.[[User:StarTrekker|★Trekker]] ([[User talk:StarTrekker|talk]]) 08:28, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{Reply to|Kdammers}} Do you know of any good sources for the project to use?[[User:StarTrekker|★Trekker]] ([[User talk:StarTrekker|talk]]) 12:40, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
::I was going to say, I'm all for adding it, but I'm not familiar with any reliable sources that consistently cover it. [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 13:04, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
::No, I don't. I come to Wikipedia's music articles for the information I mentioned (as well as other content), but I'm not a music expert or scholar. [[User:Kdammers|Kdammers]] ([[User talk:Kdammers|talk]]) 04:12, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
== Inquiry about notability requirements for a musician's article ==
==I could use some help==
The [[Wikipedia:Sound/list|list of full length songs]] has now exploded - it now contains well over 400 songs, all of which need to be put into (at least) one article, and most of which could go into multiple articles. Help putting them into articles (using the listen template) would be appreciated. [[User:Raul654|→Raul654]] 10:12, Apr 9, 2005 (UTC)
I wanted to ask about the article for this one artist, [[Megan Kashat]]. The article was made in 2018 and shortly after its creation, it went through an AfD that was [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Megan Kashat|closed as soft delete]]. The article was brought back, but its original creator has since been [[Special:Contributions/Scribitor|indef blocked for editing in a promotional manner]]. Looking at a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Megan_Kashat&oldid=868544939 version of the article at the time of its AfD] until now, very few source additions have been made, and after doing another search for sources, I can't seem to find much independent coverage. Most links related to her lead directly to her social and streaming profiles. I looked through each of the available sources, and they also don't seem to meet [[WP:NMUSIC]]; the subject clearly doesn't meet 2-12 for [[WP:MUSICBIO]], but I'm still skeptical of 1.
== Musical mark up (sharp/flat) ==
I wanted to pass this article by editors who are more familiar in the topic area, though, just to see if there's any reasonable ways of salvaging the article or if it should go through another AfD. Any and all input would be greatly appreciated! [[User:Surayeproject3|Surayeproject3]] ([[User talk:Surayeproject3|talk]]) 02:02, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
The policy says:
*The sharp (♯) and flat (♭) signs are ♯ and ♭, respectively. If they do not display correctly, then of course "#" and "b"
However in my browser (IE6) the ♭ shows with a lot of additional white space, making a notation like B♭7 not display well (the sharp only has a problem after it: F♯7). Alternatives Bb7 and F#7 look better, but as a pair I think B''b'' and F# look still better (both slanted). Could we perhaps change the preference to use an Italic b for a flat sign if the real flat ♭ doesn't display well? Or can someone find a solution to suppress the extra spacing?−[[User:Woodstone|Woodstone]] 07:43, 2005 Apr 14 (UTC)
== Invite to discussions ==
:It's a font issue, we just need to have formatting tags specify a better font to display the characters. ~ [[User:CyberSkull|Dread Lord <font color="FF0000">C</font><font color="EE0000">y</font><font color="DD0000">b</font><font color="CC0000">e</font><font color="BB0000">r</font><font color="AA0000">S</font><font color="990000">k</font><font color="880000">u</font><font color="770000">l</font><font color="660000">l</font>]] [[User_talk:CyberSkull|✎☠]] 22:05, 2005 August 15 (UTC)
I am inviting those in this WikiProject to participate in two discussion topics. They are: [[Talk:Period (Kesha album)#Introductory phrasing and stylization reflection|topic one]] and [[Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Music#MOS:MUSICCAPS and the stylization of music titles|two]] (stemmed from topic one). Your participation would be appreciated. '''<span style="font-size:95%;">[[User:livelikemusic|<span style="color:#2980b9">livelikemusic</span>]]</span>''' <span style="font-size:95%;">([[User talk:livelikemusic|<span style="color:#8e44ad">TALK!</span>]])</span> 00:49, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
== User "Babel" templates? ==
== Amble ==
Hello,
I recently expanded [[Draft:Amble (band)]] and would like any AfC reviewers to look at it. I would have ordinarily moved it to mainspace but the draft creator chose the AfC process. I think notability is probably a slam dunk based on [[WP:MUSICBIO]] #2 and maybe #5. Specifically, they have an album that is currently #2 (and formerly #1) on Irish music charts and are signed to Warner. [[:User:Wizzito|<span class="tmpl-colored-link " style="color: hotpink; text-decoration: inherit;">wizzito</span>]] | [[:User talk:Wizzito|<span class="tmpl-colored-link " style="color: navyc; text-decoration: inherit;">say hello!</span>]] 19:07, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
[[User:Yummifruitbat]] (also under his IP, [[User:82.32.121.68]]) has created several templates and associated categories that mimic the Babel templates, but for musical skills, e.g. [[:Template:User sax-4]]. He proposed it at [[Wikipedia talk:Babel#Skills other than languages|Babel]], but received no response. According to a message he left on [[User talk:BanyanTree#Music templates|my talk page]]
:It's probably just best to wait until it's the draft's turn in line. A reviewer will get to it eventually.[[User:StarTrekker|★Trekker]] ([[User talk:StarTrekker|talk]]) 08:50, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
:''my aim was to produce a system similar to the language one which would enable Wikipedians to highlight their interests and proficiencies in a concise way on their user pages. I don't believe this is entirely unnecessary from an encyclopaedic point of view - it would facilitate communication between users about articles in which they have a particular interest; or perhaps might be able to contribute valuable knowledge. For example, a user tagging articles as stubs, finding one about a composer of music for the violin, might be able to bring up the User_violin category, and find someone with an interest in the instrument who would be happy to expand the article. As a secondary function, these templates would also make it easy for people to find like-minded users, and then see what they'd contributed to''
I am not sure how useful this would be and, especially considering that prior notification was given, I am hoping that some people on this WikiProject can give him their thoughts on how useful this would be. Thanks, [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|Tree]] 02:04, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
== Wikipedia:ManualNo ofclear Stylecredited director for a (music) video ==
Hello! The user Mathglot directed me towards this WP via Teahouse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#No_clear_credited_director_for_a_music_video<br>
I was cleaning out the Wikipedia namespace, and I noticed the proposed [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style (music)]]. I just wanted to make people here aware of it, so it can be commented on an approved as an official guideline, or rejected. (I have no personal opinions on it right now.) -- [[User:Beland|Beland]] 23:44, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I'll just copy and paste my post from there.<br>
I'm giving [[Cup of Joe (band)]] a GA review and trying to help its nominator improve the article. However, I'm running into a huge obstacle. One of the tables mentions that VJ Catacutan is the director for the music video of "Alas Dose," a song by this band. They use a Facebook post as a source: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=709897339512302<br>
The footnote for this goes: "The music video for "Alas Dose", there is no description provided regarding the director. However, a Facebook post by Cup of Joe on October 30, 2019, indicates that the video was directed by VJ Catacutan (also appeared as an actor in the video), as noted in the post's caption." Social media posts published by the subject are an acceptable source when there's literally nothing else, right? The problem is that the post itself says: "Video by VJ Catacutan."<br>
This is on a teaser for the song that features the cover art and a brief snippet of the song. So this is not clearly indicating that the music video was directed by the VJ guy. "Video by VJ Catacutan" could mean: 1) he edited the teaser. Or, 2) he edited the music video. (Or both.) But it's not precisely stating that he ''directed'' the music video.<br>
What would you suggest in this instance? Can the director row be left blank for that MV? Thanks so much. [[User:Bloomagiliw|Bloomagiliw]] ([[User talk:Bloomagiliw|talk]]) 22:18, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
: Cross-posted at [[WT:Verifiability#No clear credited director for a music video]]; suggest responding there, not here. [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 02:50, 10 July 2025 (UTC)
== LinksLabel to AllMusicvandal ==
I have been seeing a record label vandal go about lately, making spurious label claims. Most of these claim that a country artist is on Walt Disney Records (which has had no dealings with country since the closure of Lyric Street Records in 2010) or Rounder Records (a bluegrass label which has had minimal success with mainstream country). Some of the claims are also anachronistic to when the label existed, such as saying that an artist active in the 1990s was on [[Big Machine Records]], which was founded in 2005. An example of such vandalism can be found [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Keith_Urban&diff=prev&oldid=1292439466 here], where it was un-detected for weeks, and a later addition of Walt Disney Records also went unchecked on the same page until I removed it today. <span style="color:green">'''Ten Pound Hammer'''</span> • <sup>([[User talk:TenPoundHammer|What did I screw up now?]])</sup> 23:49, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
May I recommend the use of the templates {{tl|AMG Artist}} and {{tl|AMG Song}} (and related) for constructing these links?
--[[User:Phil Boswell|Phil]] | [[User talk:Phil Boswell|Talk]] 15:56, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
:'''Weak Oppose'''. Convenient though they might be, they depend on the structure of the AMG website remaining static. If we have thousands of pages linking to their site, and they change their URL syntax (or SQL structure), we're hosed. Anyway, the technical sophistication required to use these templates seems too much for official policy.—[[User:Wahoofive|Wahoofive]] ([[User talk:Wahoofive|talk]]) 17:01, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
::I understand your point, but what you might have missed is that there are loads of links to the website AMG already. My suggestion to use a template would mean that it would be far easier to keep track of those links, and if the required syntax changes, to change it in a controlled manner. If they decide to alter the URL, it's far easier to do it in one template (or even a set of three or four) than to go around searching for every single URL to adjust manually.
::I'm not certain what you mean by "technical sophistication required": the links I have found so far include the "<code>sql=…</code>" information already: it's merely a matter of shoving the appropriate bits into the template parameters. --[[User:Phil Boswell|Phil]] | [[User talk:Phil Boswell|Talk]] 07:52, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)
:I was more worried about them changing the sql= setup, rather than the URL structure. But you're right, if those are hard-coded already, putting them in a template can't hurt.—[[User:Wahoofive|Wahoofive]] ([[User talk:Wahoofive|talk]]) 18:38, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:Report them to my talk page moving forward and I can take action. [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 23:55, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
==Music charts==
See [[talk:Mezmerize]]. I think we should have a list of links to music charts that would be appropriate to include an article. This is what some casual googling turned up for me. [[User:TUF-KAT|Tuf-Kat]] 22:55, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
== New WikiProject ==
''Please expand, clarify and correct this list:''
*'''Australia''': ''[[Kent Report]]'' and [[ARIA Chart]] (ARIA charts are [http://www.aria.com.au/pages/aria-charts.htm here])
*'''Canada''': ''[[Canadian Hit 30 Countdown]]''
*'''Germany''': [[Media Control GFK]] [http://www.mix1.de/ here]
*'''Netherlands''': appears to be [[GFK Mega Charts]], which is [http://www.megacharts.nl/index2.jsp here]
*'''New Zealand''': [[RIANZ]] has charts [http://www.rianz.org.nz/rianz/chart.asp here]
*'''Norway''': seems to be something called [[VG]]
*'''Sweden''': [[Swedish Association of Gramophone Suppliers]] (GLF, ''Gramofonleverantörernas förening'')
*'''United Kingdom''': ''[[Record Mirror]]'', ''[[Melody Maker]]'', ''[[Record Retailer]]'', ''[[Music Week]]''
*'''United States''': ''[[Billboard magazine]]'' does charts; there does not appear to be any searchable database on the web, but [http://billboard.com Billboard.com] has some and [http://allmusic.com Allmusic.com] has some.
::I can't make heads or tails out of that user talk page, but if you're looking for a place to add this list, how about putting it into [[Record chart]]?—[[User:Wahoofive|Wahoofive]] ([[User talk:Wahoofive|talk]]) 04:58, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:::Oh, I meant it should be on this page, so that people know how to find chart data to add to articles. I guess something similar should be at [[record chart]] too, but that's not what I'm talking about. [[User:TUF-KAT|Tuf-Kat]] 05:39, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
Hello!
== Discography/Album List Style ==
I propose a WikiProject with the working title of Art & Architecture Copyedits.
There's really no mention for a standard way of listing albums by an artist. I've seen a few different styles and this is how I prefer it to look (links omitted):
*<u>1990</u> - ''<u>Album Title</u>'' (<u>Record Label</u>) <small>extra note</small>
Since albums are generally listed chronologically the date should always come first. The year should only be displayed though, adding the day and month looks cluttered because of a more rapidly changing pattern. The year could be included in parenthesis, it's a really minor difference. The dash should be included to make it easier to discern between the year and title. Including the record label isn't of major importance, but without it the listing is somewhat bare. The record label, if included, should be surrounded by parenthesis because it and the title will most likely be one or more words and harder to distinguish. It is possible to surround the record label with brackets but requires more complicated code. Both the year and record label shouldn't be surrounded by parenthesis because it creates a kind of odd symmetry. Any extra notes like "limited edition", "promotional", or "vinyl only" should be in small text at the end. I would like to get a concensus going on the style of listed albums so please comment. [[User:Tastywheat|Tastywheat]] 10:37, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)
The proposed WikiProject has '''two main goals''':
===Lists of works MoS===
I've just created [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style (lists of works)]] for discussion about the layout of discographies, filmographies, bibliographies and the like. It is an attempt to standardise these lists, as their styles currently vary greatly (order, content, layout). I thought it might be of interest to the partipants on this WikiProject. [[User:Violetriga|violet/riga]] [[User_talk:violetriga|(t)]] 16:54, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
# '''To copyedit any articles related to Art & Architecture that have the copyedit or clarify tag,''' and
==Missing encyclopedic articles==
# '''To create a supportive, welcoming space for newcomers.''' Experienced editors are also very appreciated, especially for the proposal process, but the WikiProject, once created, will mainly be recruiting newcomers.
As a subproject to [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles]], [[Wikipedia:Music encyclopedia topics]] now exists with a list of articles taken from music encyclopedias (by [[User:Gmaxwell|Gmaxwell]]). If anyone is looking for something music-related to write, there's a list of ideas. Some of them just need redirects: there's plenty of low-hanging fruit if you're not up for a full article. [[User:Mindspillage|Mindspillage]] [[User talk:Mindspillage|(spill yours?)]] 01:38, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
If you would like to join, please do comment below, and I'll ping you during the proposal to confirm your intent. I will be posting this message on all related WikiProjects. All experience levels appreciated! [[User:22ManzanaBoy|22ManzanaBoy]] ([[User talk:22ManzanaBoy|talk]]) 15:41, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
==Musician/Band infobox==
I am searching for a musician/music group infobox. If there is not one already I am willing to work on creating one, but I don't want to duplicate a previous effort. As there does not seem to be a WikiProject for ''performers'' this seems the best place to pose this question. [[User:Cmadler|Cmadler]] 16:52, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
== MembersDanger styleDan guidechart placements ==
I translated [[:de:Danger Dan]] to [[Danger Dan]], but I'm not sure what to do with the chart placement templates in the discography. How should I format them? --[[User:Slashme|Slashme]] ([[User talk:Slashme|talk]]) 08:53, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
Is there any consensus on how to list (and link) band members, the way there is albums ("always OK if official unless compilation") vs. songs ("notable hits only")? I have been red-linking musicians, but I see a lot of articles actually don't wikilink their members at all, unless they're independently notable. There's also the question of naming the members in the intro paragraph, when there is a separate ''Members'' section. Sometimes you have ''Band members'' as the name, this seems redundant to me. I also think that having ''Former members'' as a subsection is a useful way to handle that problem, although in the TOC it looks weird unless you also have the ''Current members'' (but then a subsect directly under a sect head looks weird). Then there's the question of how to list the members by duty, and how to handle side-projects, which this section sometimes does. My preference, I think, would be for ''Side projects'' (or perhaps ''Other bands'', ''Related bands'') under the ''Members'' section, with a text discussion instead of a table. This is the format I like for duties:
* John Smith - (2003-) [[vocalist|vocals]], [[guitar]]
Any reaction? If there's a consensus it would be good to get this into the Wikiproject page and/or the Music style guide. --[[User:Dhartung|Dhartung]] | [[User talk:Dhartung|Talk]] 03:59, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
:To a certain degree it has to depend on the band. For example, some bands maintain the same membership for decades, some are really a group of independent musicians gathered for a single project, and some have changed personel every year or two for decades. For a group of otherwise independant musicians, red-linking may be appropriate (these members are more likely to be independently notable). If the personel have changed a lot, this could be noted in the intro and then names (and dates) given in a ''Members'' section. If the personel have remained relatively constant, a ''Members'' section might not be appropriate. On the other matter, my feeling is that individual musicians should only be wikilinked if they are notable as an individual. However, they may be notable as an individual for their role in the group; these should still be wikilinked. [[User:Cmadler|Cmadler]] 13:11, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
== Beckii Cruel ==
:Many of the group/band articles I've worked on have had shuffling lineups (in particular [[The Supremes]], [[The Temptations]], and [The Impressions (American band)|]]). For those groups, I mentioned all of the ntoable members in the article header (for the Surpemes, I managed to squeeze in all 9; for the Temptations, I was forced to only identify notable members). At the end of the article, I created a list of the members and the years they were in the group, and, on a subpage, made a list of each individual incarnation of the group. If the group only traded out a memebr or two ([[TLC]], [[Dru Hill]]), I just listed members and dates. In the case of [[Sly & the Family Stone]], I split the list into "original members" and "later members", becasue for some reaso nI felt it suited that article beter. As far as section titles go, I always try to use "Personnel" (or "Members", if another editor objects to "personnel"). As far as wikilinking individual bandmates, I only do it if I can actually write an article about what they've done outside of the group. Not all editors, of course, agree: just last night someone made an article for [[Betty McGlown]], one of the pre-Motown Supremes/Primettes, who I felt wasn't quite notable enough for her own article because I couldn't find any background information about her. On the other hand, I wrote an article for [[Elbridge Bryant]], the "lost Temptation", becasue I was able to learn his birthdate, date of death, and enough biographical/personal information to fill a good-sized article. --[[User:FuriousFreddy|FuriousFreddy]] 19:51, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
[https://fancons.com/guests/bio/5119/rebecca-anne-flint This link] says that Beckii Cruel's song "You Can't Kiss Me" hit no. 1 on the [[Music Week]] Upfront Club Charts and no. 15 on the Commercial Club Charts. The song was originally released on October 24, 2011. I don't have access to Music Week to verify these claims. [[User:Lullabying|lullabying]] ([[User talk:Lullabying|talk]]) 20:15, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
==Improvement drive==
Two related topics, [[Percussion instrument]] and [[Rhythm and blues]] have been nominated to be improved on [[WP:IDRIVE]]. Come and support the nomination there or comment on it.--[[User:Fenice|Fenice]] 07:30, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
== Discussion at [[:Talk:Pop 2 (mixtape)#Splitting proposal|Talk:Pop 2 (mixtape) § Splitting proposal]] ==
==Proposal for Possible jazz project==
[[File:Symbol watching blue lashes high contrast.svg|25px|link=|alt=]] You are invited to join the discussion at [[:Talk:Pop 2 (mixtape)#Splitting proposal|Talk:Pop 2 (mixtape) § Splitting proposal]], which is within the scope of this WikiProject.  This discussion is a proposal to split the background section into a separate article. [[User:Rosaece|Rosaece]] ([[User talk:Rosaece|talk]]) 21:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC)<!-- Template:WikiProject please see -->[[User:Rosaece|Rosaece]] ([[User talk:Rosaece|talk]]) 21:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
== Music and emotion article needing major overhaul ==
The standard of a lot of jazz articles on Wikipedia is shoddy. There are certain musicians (such as Lucky Thompson) who have next-to-nothing wrote about them. However, I have been impressed by the standard of certain articles, which convinces me that there are others besides myself working hard to improve the information we have on this vital art form. Thus, I propose a wikiproject for jazz, with 10 active people at the minimum required. Since other genres such as classical have a project page for co-ordinating efforts, I think jazz could do with one, due the large amount of work to be done. Respond either here or on my talk page. (This includes all forms of jazz, dixieland, swing, fusion, bop etc.)--[[User:Knucmo2|Knucmo2]] 19:28, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
The [[music and emotion]] article is relatively popular, with 1700 page views in the last 30 days. But IMO it needs major overhaul, most of it is written like a research paper. I've been working on editing it but it's really long so it's hard for me to do alone. If anyone else wants to, I'd majorly appreciate some help cleaning it up! :) [[User:Shocksingularity|Shocksingularity]] ([[User talk:Shocksingularity|talk]]) 02:44, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
== MusicBrainz Templates ==
== Proposal for more, semantically suitable name parameters in Infobox_musical_artist ==
I've made {{tl|musicbrainz album}} and {{tl|musicbrainz artist}} for simple linking to the [[MusicBrainz]] database.
I think, as section title, that {{tlc|infobox musical artist}} needs more, semantically suitable name parameters, and started a discussion at {{section link|Template_talk:Infobox musical artist|We should have a personal_name param as well}}. Please have a look, think and share your views there. Cheers. <code style="background:#DFF;white-space:pre">[[User:Fred Gandt|Fred Gandt]] · [[User talk:Fred Gandt|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Fred Gandt|contribs]]</code> 14:45, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
* {{musicbrainz artist|id=31e7b30b-f960-408f-908b-c8e277308eab|name=Susumu Hirasawa}}
* {{musicbrainz album|id=5e06ebf6-f5c2-42ef-8b52-2adfc304b2cc|name=Paranoia Agent Original Soundtrack}}
== Request for review and submission – Gary Adante article ==
Please tell me what you think. ~ [[User:CyberSkull|Dread Lord <font color="FF0000">C</font><font color="EE0000">y</font><font color="DD0000">b</font><font color="CC0000">e</font><font color="BB0000">r</font><font color="AA0000">S</font><font color="990000">k</font><font color="880000">u</font><font color="770000">l</font><font color="660000">l</font>]] [[User_talk:CyberSkull|✎☠]] 10:18, 2005 August 14 (UTC)
Subject: Request for Review and Submission of Article Draft – Gary Adante
I've also added the wikilink to the [[meta:interwiki map]] to link to the MusicBrainz wiki, but I don't know when the sysadmin will get around to adding it to the actual map.
:"MusicBrainz http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/$1"
[[User:CyberSkull|Dread Lord <font color="FF0000">C</font><font color="EE0000">y</font><font color="DD0000">b</font><font color="CC0000">e</font><font color="BB0000">r</font><font color="AA0000">S</font><font color="990000">k</font><font color="880000">u</font><font color="770000">l</font><font color="660000">l</font>]] [[User_talk:CyberSkull|✎☠]] 22:02, 2005 August 15 (UTC)
Hello WikiProject Music members,
There are also now {{tl|musicbrainz track}} and {{tl|musicbrainz wiki}}.
* {{musicbrainz track|id=5bcf21f3-41bb-49b0-a290-6b0eb468b20c|name=Encyclopedia}}
* {{musicbrainz wiki|MusicBrainz}}
~ [[User:CyberSkull|Dread Lord <font color="FF0000">C</font><font color="EE0000">y</font><font color="DD0000">b</font><font color="CC0000">e</font><font color="BB0000">r</font><font color="AA0000">S</font><font color="990000">k</font><font color="880000">u</font><font color="770000">l</font><font color="660000">l</font>]] [[User_talk:CyberSkull|✎☠]] 22:52, 2005 August 16 (UTC)
I have drafted a Wikipedia article for Gary Adante (formerly Gary Olazabal), an American recording engineer and producer credited on numerous Grammy-certified works, including Stevie Wonder’s *Songs in the Key of Life* and Michael Jackson’s *Bad* and *HIStory*.
Template syntax change: name is now the other parameter in the album, artist and track templates. I'm updating the pages that use them. ~ [[User:CyberSkull|Dread Lord <font color="FF0000">C</font><font color="EE0000">y</font><font color="DD0000">b</font><font color="CC0000">e</font><font color="BB0000">r</font><font color="AA0000">S</font><font color="990000">k</font><font color="880000">u</font><font color="770000">l</font><font color="660000">l</font>]] [[User_talk:CyberSkull|✎☠]] 00:11, 2005 August 17 (UTC)
:That updating is done. I finished it yesterday. ~ [[User:CyberSkull|Dread Lord <font color="FF0000">C</font><font color="EE0000">y</font><font color="DD0000">b</font><font color="CC0000">e</font><font color="BB0000">r</font><font color="AA0000">S</font><font color="990000">k</font><font color="880000">u</font><font color="770000">l</font><font color="660000">l</font>]] [[User_talk:CyberSkull|✎☠]] 10:12, 2005 August 18 (UTC)
The draft is thoroughly sourced with independent, reliable references such as AllMusic, Discogs, Muso.ai, and the book *Faces of Music* by David Goggin, as well as an Okayplayer feature.
The interwiki map has been updated, so now [[MusicBrainz:CyberSkull]] will work just fine. ~ [[User:CyberSkull|Dread Lord <font color="FF0000">C</font><font color="EE0000">y</font><font color="DD0000">b</font><font color="CC0000">e</font><font color="BB0000">r</font><font color="AA0000">S</font><font color="990000">k</font><font color="880000">u</font><font color="770000">l</font><font color="660000">l</font>]] [[User_talk:CyberSkull|✎☠]] 04:14, 2005 August 21 (UTC)
Beyond his engineering contributions, Adante has held significant leadership roles in the industry, including Director of Studios for Paul Allen, overseeing 17 studios worldwide, and currently serves as Director of Neptune Valley Studios in Beverly Hills.
==Greatest hits==
According to the first rule of this page, "Unless there's extenuating circumstances, greatest hits and compilation albums don't need an article." This hasn't really been followed since I put it there a very long time ago, and it irks me because I don't really see how your average greatest hits album could ever be much more than a track listing and a few other details -- I'd rather combine all the greatest hits albums by artist into a single article. Thoughts? [[User:TUF-KAT|Tuf-Kat]] 04:38, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
:That seems ... drastic. I see a process of creating a template and marking each one (robotically?) for ''N'' weeks before any deletions. I do agree with you they're generally unnecessary, but there's quite a few editors who never ever come by the Wikipedia: pages. --[[User:Dhartung|Dhartung]] | [[User talk:Dhartung|Talk]] 07:00, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
::It is drastic, but if there's consensus to start doing it that way, it will slowly spread. I wouldn't mind doing some of the grunt work, but I'd like to have some agreement beforehand. And there's no need to delete anything, as greatest hits titles should redirect appropriately -- leaving a few notes on talk pages isn't so hard. [[User:TUF-KAT|Tuf-Kat]] 17:56, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
:::The only reason I've ever created articles for greatest hits or compilation sets is (a) to complete the navigation for an act's albums, as was done for [[Boyz II Men]]), (b) if the compilation is ''very'' important or well known (like a comprehensive box set for a group), or (c) if the group released a single from the greatest hits album (see [[The Temptations]]' ''[[Greatest Hits (Temptations album)|Greatest Hits]]'' & ''[[Greatest Hits, Vol. 2 (Temptations album)|Greatest Hits, Vol. 2]]'', and ''[[Big Boi and Dre Present...OutKast]]''). That being said, I'm sure I've created articles for several of them that could be deleted. I won't miss ''[[Jackson 5: The Ultimate Collection]]'' or similar articles if they're deleted, but the issue does bring up a question: ''Should greatest hits albums be included in the album navagation (the little "last album, this album, next album" thing), or should this be reserved ''only'' for studio LPs?'' Also, as far as greatest hits albums containing a lack of information, there are several things that can be picked up on a number of them (for example, all of [[Michael Jackson]]'s Epic greatest hits albums, for example, have some sort of notoriety surrounding them, and [[Sly & the Family Stone]]'s ''[[Greatest Hits (Sly & the Family Stone album)|Greatest Hits]]'' is considered one of their most notable albums). But your proposal to combine all the artists' greatest hits articles into one article...hmm, that's not a bad idea; I guess the article would be using several different infoboxes. TUF-KAT, can you take one of the artists I've mentioned and format one in that way as sort of a example? --[[User:FuriousFreddy|FuriousFreddy]] 18:24, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
As I am the subject of the article, I respectfully request a neutral editor from the project to review and consider the article for submission.
Some other, unrelated quesstions I have:
Draft link: [[User:GaryOAdante1/sandbox]]
#(I should probably post this one at [[Wikipedia: WikiProject Albums]], but I'll ask here too): what do we do with infobox colors for Christmas albums? They're never considered official studio rleeases, so I've been filing them as "covers and tribute albums" with the plum infobox color coding. Is this correct?
Thank you for your time and expertise!
#How much information is too much information, when it comes to album/single sales and chart positions? Several articles ([[50 Cent]] comes immediately to mind) are cluttered with cumbersome chart positions and sales records, and then there's the case of all of the [[Mariah Carey]] articles, which are special cases in themselves. On the artists' actual article, how much detail should we go into when reporting sales records and chart positions? One user has started adding tables to each article, and I followed suit, buit do we really need all of that information?
#Can we make it policy for people ''not'' to bold '''#1''' when writing out discographies?
#Where can I find international chart position information to include in articles that I write (UK charts, Austrailian charts, etc?)
#Does anyone want t help me fix up and split apart [[List of number-one R&B hits (United States)]]?
#What is the cutoff for writing song articles? I've arbitrarily set my limit at where if my article is only going to be a report of what the song itself is about, who made it, and how well it did, I won't write the article (there's no point)? But we've got articles (''long'' articles turning up about singles that weren't even actually released (again, see [[Mariah Carey]]). What do we make of this?
#Finally, do we ''really'' need seperate, long articles for cover versions of songs popularized by other artists? --[[User:FuriousFreddy|FuriousFreddy]] 18:24, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
::We don't need separate articles for covers, except in a few extreme cases (maybe). On fancrufty articles about crappy pop singles (or not singles), I don't mind having them too much, as long as the info is factual, verifiable and not too mind-bogglingly trivial. On discography formatting, we ought to have a basic template on this page (or a subpage), and then you could revert people who bold #1 and point theme here for guidance. On chart info, we ought to keep as much of it as possible, though it could be moved to [[50 Cent chart positions]] or something. No idea on Christmas albums (we could always just change plum to "Other (covers, tributes, Christmas, etc.)"). I'll come up with a greatest hits page as soon as I get the chance. [[User:TUF-KAT|Tuf-Kat]] 20:54, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
Sincerely,
== Proper capitalization of titles ==
User:GaryOAdante [[User:GaryOAdante1|GaryOAdante1]] ([[User talk:GaryOAdante1|talk]]) 20:19, 9 August 2025 (UTC)
==Discussion at [[:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musicians#Proposed merger of inactive sub-projects|Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musicians § Proposed merger of inactive sub-projects]]==
See album rule #10, titling.
[[File:Symbol watching blue lashes high contrast.svg|25px|link=|alt=]] You are invited to join the discussion at [[:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musicians#Proposed merger of inactive sub-projects|Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musicians § Proposed merger of inactive sub-projects]]. [[User:Heartfox|Heartfox]] ([[User talk:Heartfox|talk]]) 20:38, 9 August 2025 (UTC)<!-- [[Template:Please see]] -->
== Can an artist sign with two labels ==
Isn't the last word of a title generally capitalized, too?
[http://webster.commnet.edu/grammar/capitals.htm Reference].
{{user:mxdxcxnx/sig}} 23:46, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
[[Adrien Nunez]] signed with both Warner and [[Warner Records]] Nashville in November 2024 and [[Sony Music Publishing]] in July 2025. Can people sign separate deals for singing and songwriting? Or should one infer he is no longer with Warner?-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])</small> 14:27, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
== Unknown music genre ==
:Though I don't know the details off by heart and am a bit busy, [[Ado (singer)]] is signed with two labels, I think due to licensing issues with the domestic Japanese market, and because of these, she's not alone. <code style="background:#DFF;white-space:pre">[[User:Fred Gandt|Fred Gandt]] · [[User talk:Fred Gandt|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Fred Gandt|contribs]]</code> 17:59, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
:No inference can be made; you can indeed sign separate contracts for singing and songwriting, or even sign contracts with multiple labels for either (though it is, or at least was, common practice for many labels to demand exclusive contracts). [[User:Chubbles|Chubbles]] ([[User talk:Chubbles|talk]]) 08:15, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
== Please help fix an article title <span class="anchor" id="Please help put an old and silly debate to rest"></span> ==
Please see my question at [[Portal talk:Music#Unknown music genre]]. [[user:mikkalai|mikka]] [[user talk:mikkalai|(t)]] 20:27, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
[[Jean-Michel Jarre]]'s somewhat well know album ''[[Equinoxe]]'' has be been mistitled here for over a decade, with its article having a history of misguided and disruptive moves back and forth, to and from a title with and without a diacritic over the ''E''.
Please take a look at {{section link|Talk:Équinoxe|Requested move 17 August 2025}}. <code style="background:#DFF;white-space:pre">[[User:Fred Gandt|Fred Gandt]] · [[User talk:Fred Gandt|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Fred Gandt|contribs]]</code> 17:52, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
== Classical works infobox ==
== Issues at [[Silverchair]] ==
I've created a new infobox to detail information on classical works in a similiar manner to the infobox for music albums. An example can be seen at [[Piano Concerto No. 3 (Rachmaninoff)]]. I would welcome any comments at [[Template talk:Classical work infobox]]. Cheers! [[User:TreveX|TreveX]]<sup>[[User talk:TreveX|talk]]</sup> 00:17, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
I have raised a number of issues at [[Talk:Silverchair#FA_issues]] regarding the content of the article [[Silverchair]]. Your participation is welcomed. <span style="color:green">'''Ten Pound Hammer'''</span> • <sup>([[User talk:TenPoundHammer|What did I screw up now?]])</sup> 16:24, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
== ONE article per composition. ==
This needs to be established as set policy, because the seperations of articles covered by different people is ridiculous. It makes the encyclopedia cumbersome to read if a user has to click multiple articles to read about one song. Many of the splits border on the arbitrary, and without consistency, the Wikipedia is going to continue to look lobsioded and non-credible in the eyes of much of the public.
Articles on songs should not even be that big of a deal, or large to the point where a split is neccessitated. Or shall we simply sit and wait for someone to make articles for every major version of "[[The Star-Spangled Banner]]" before this issue is handled? --[[User:FuriousFreddy|FuriousFreddy]] 05:00, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
:This is already policy for all of WP. Why not just merge the articles or put a {{tl|merge}} tag on? Or list them at [[Wikipedia:Duplicate articles]]?
:Or maybe I don't understand. Can you give more examples? Are you saying there are duplicate articles for the Star-Spangled Banner? —[[User:Wahoofive|Wahoofive]] ([[User talk:Wahoofive|talk]]) 16:59, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
::There's seperate articles on "[[I'll Be There]]", "[[I Will Always Love You]]", "[[Lady Marmalade]]", and generally anything else that [[Mariah Carey]] or [[Whitney Houston]] ever recorded. There is also something of an issue as far as "how much information is too much information?" The plethora of chart positions, and detailed analyses of chart performance, could be seen as padding. I've already tried VfD once, and so has someone else, the decisions end in deadlock because there's a literal gang of editors who work on them. --[[User:FuriousFreddy|FuriousFreddy]] 03:35, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
:I admit I don't get it either. The solution is to merge when appropriate, though in rare cases individual compositions certainly deserve separate articles -- taking your anthem example, there's [[God Save the Queen]], [[My Country, 'Tis of Thee]], and [[Kongesangen]]. Not to mention [[To Anacreon in Heaven]]. Those are all obvious separate articles, not merge/redirects. If you're talking about situations where there's information in both a specific song article ''and'' its album/composer's article, those are obvious candidates for merging ''details'' to the appropriate level. --[[User:Dhartung|Dhartung]] | [[User talk:Dhartung|Talk]] 18:08, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
::But, although they use the same melody, those three anthems are seperate compositons because they have seperate lyrics. Sort of like "[[Super Freak]]" and "[[U Can't Touch This]]" (half joke). --[[User:FuriousFreddy|FuriousFreddy]] 03:35, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
::I believe he's referring to separate stub articles on different cover versions of the same song. For (a fictional) example, having a very nice article on Bob Dylan's eminently notable "[[Subterranean Homesick Blues]]" and a separate article on the Red Hot Chili Peppers cover which often consists entirely of "is a cover of a Bob Dylan song" and maybe a date and album name. I don't think he's suggesting that in all cases, all songs have to be merged, but that the standard should be assumed to be a single article per composition. Under unusual circumstances, such as if the article grows very long or unbalanced, then it may be appropriate to split by versions. [[User:TUF-KAT|Tuf-Kat]] 18:45, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
:::I don't want a fictional example. If there aren't any real examples, it's a non-problem.—[[User:Wahoofive|Wahoofive]] ([[User talk:Wahoofive|talk]]) 20:42, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
::::Real example: "[[Theme from Mahogany (Do You Know Where You're Going To?)]]" points to a disambiguation page. Apparently, Mariah Carey recorded a version which was ''almost'' a single. Real example #2: "[[I'll Be There]]", which somehow had an entirely seperate article written for Carey's 1992 cover. --[[User:FuriousFreddy|FuriousFreddy]] 03:35, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
== Esoteric discography formatting ==
See [[The White Stripes#Discography]] for an example. I'd like input; is there any consensus on this sort of thing? --[[User:Dhartung|Dhartung]] | [[User talk:Dhartung|Talk]] 10:01, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
:One thing is certain: you sho'l don't do it like that. The standard format is to use either a list or a table. No pictures, and just the year for the main article. --[[User:FuriousFreddy|FuriousFreddy]] 03:36, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
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