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== Cleanup needed ==
Here is a [http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2003/003/21.9.html story] about bibles in China, a crime under Chinese law punishable by death, yet at times getting some culprits a slap on the wrist. Imagine if an American minister were smuggling illegal bibles into China (while remaining in the US), and the Chinese goverment were to seek his extradition to China to face criminal charges, and a lengthy sentence (or death) in a Chinese prison. Imagine a Canadian minister in the same position (in Canada).
 
This article is barely readable in its current format. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 06:06, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Imagine how hysterical the request would seem to ordinary Westerners. Now, try to imagine either the Canadian or the US goverment arresting the minister and seriously considering the request.
 
+1, I'm gonna have a go at this, apologies to fans in advance [[User:Spencerk|Spencerk]] ([[User talk:Spencerk|talk]]) 14:40, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
-SM 14:06, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 
==Link to Canada==
:Marc Emery is no minister. He has fueled a lavish lifestyle from the proceeds of his sales to Americans. He has interfered with every single attempt at legalizing cannabis in Canada, hoping to put off the inevitable monetary loss once prohibition ends. By "helping" activists in Canada he contends to lead everyone and everthing cannabis related. Emery has often protected his business interests by threatening those who oppose him with exposure to the police authorities. That has earned him the nickname "Marc the Narc" amongst earnest activists.
Canadian was dabbed to the [[Legal history of cannabis in Canada]] article as if he being a Canadian is nothing more than because of cannabis, ie you are associating his citizenship with cannabis. Strikes me as quite a nasty BLP vio that had then been translated through to the new Jodie Emery article. I am flagging it here because I think both were very poor edits that should never have been made, especially given that Emery made much of his Canadian citizenship and the rights he hoped it would confer on him throughout his extradition to and incarceration in the United States. ♫ [[User:SqueakBox|SqueakBox]] [[User talk:SqueakBox|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/SqueakBox|contribs]] 21:44, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
 
:Thanks for your work SqueakBox, I didn't intend any statement with the links. [[User:Spencerk|Spencerk]] ([[User talk:Spencerk|talk]]) 18:43, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
:Imagine how hysterical it seems for him to claim protection from prosecution because he paid taxes.
 
::Ok. I see you are from Canada too and obvioulsy see my point. And thks for your work too. I am sure we can find somewhere to link [[Legal history of cannabis in Canada]] in both articles, and should do so. ♫ [[User:SqueakBox|SqueakBox]] [[User talk:SqueakBox|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/SqueakBox|contribs]] 19:22, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
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I'd like to see well-sourced comment on either his alledged lavish lifestyle (and why it might be relevant), or evidence of any actual detrimental effect he has had on the legalisation movement, or his secret desire to maintain a lock on the cannabis economy (which last assertion seems to bear no understanding of the history of the Netherlands). So far, it has mostly been anonymous, unsourced slander. I commend you on actually signing in before weighing in, now please show me some evidence.
 
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But that would be a different discussion, irrelevant to my point. The above comment was intended to draw attention parallel, to the hysterical reaction by one country (US or China) to what it perceives as a threat, but more reasonable people- Canadians- might see as either a minor matter or a bold stand for an important truth, as well as the implicit hypocrisy of the US not respecting China's perception of its own interests, and yet prevailing upon Canada to join in its own hysteria.
 
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::Or indeed as a cannabis activist. It is unfortunate IMO that legitimate businessmen/women are unable to make healthy profits from the legal cultivation and sale of good quality cannabis becauser the law demands that only criminals engage in this trade. Emery sells seeds not cannabis, and it is hard to see how someone like him could other than gain from the legalisation of this product, [[User:SqueakBox|SqueakBox]] 19:07, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 
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Supporters of Marc Emery frequently try to find out who his opponents are then attempt to silence them. I personally don't give a damn about that, as far as I'm concerned M.E is a giant fraud and he knows it. He also knows me very well. You are children playing a grown-ups game, careful you don't get bruised. But soon this idiot will be in the hands of the americans...need I say more? As for my
comments on the character of Mr.Emery you only need to search '''his''' comments to find the answer to the questions you pretend to be interested in. By lavish I mean being blitzed on narcotics, not wearing a suit. With seeds at $1 for a hundred( if legalized) Mr.Emery stood to lose everything...as if you didn't aleadry know that.
 
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:Again, the Netherlands experience does not bear you out as to his business prospects- who better poised after prohibition than Marc to start the Vancouver equivalent of [http://www.bulldog.nl '''The Buldog'''], if he wanted (not Marc's style, really). Seed banks and coffehouses flourish in the Netherlands. It is about quality and volume. Producing seeds is low-cost, the number (10, 100, whatever) is only the quantity useful to one grower. The price will not change. Canada's seed banks already compete with the Netherlands.
 
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:Your contention that he has played the narcs against business rivals is most grave. You should either substantiate it, or withdraw it. As for the questions you raise, I pretend to be interested out of politeness, until you can substantiate them. There is much anonymous gossip trying to make it's way into the article. Again, I commend you for discussing here. Now, I'd like to see some proof.
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:Finally, I don't care about his private life, nor do I care about his non-cannabis views. I am supporting him, not canonizing him. I care that he has taken a unique public position, at no small cost to himself, so that someday we may be free of the broad evil that is prohibition. On that day, who would not owe him a debt of gratitude?
 
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The idea that herb will be legalised and then everyone will be growing there own isn't credible. Who grows their own tobacco or coffee? Brews their own beer? etc. Almost nobody, any more than people make their own bread. I have read that if it were legalised in the UK ex dealers would be prohibited from participating in the market. This wouldn't apply to Emery as he has only been selling the seeds. [[Peter Tosh]] got it right. '''Legalise it and I will advertise it'''. There is a potential massive legal business in cultivating and marketing cannabis that would lead to legal profits (infinitely better than illegal ones!) so his advocacy of legalising marijuana would only be illogical were he to be personally barred from partaking in a legalised business. Otherwise he could only gain. The criminals who do fear losing their profits (those scared to do a hard day's work in order to make a decent profit) do not call for it to be legalised, they are too busy (in the UK at least) mixing good hash with tar, henna and other dubious substances, and have no desire to see cannabis legalised. Emery, as an advocate, is clearly not in this class. We don't know what he or any famous person is like as a person without a level of personal experience not relevant to an encyclopedia, but what you are saying about Emery's views on marijuana is not credible, and would only be so in a situation where he was personally barred or if legalisation meant a state monopoly (not credible in the developed 1st world). [[User:SqueakBox|SqueakBox]] 15:59, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
 
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I have lived in Amsterdam for 10 years. cannabis is illegal, especially in the places where people buy
the seeds for cultivation. Legal seeds are available in Holland for let's say tomatos. They are expensive which pisses off the farmers, but you still get a couple of hundred for under 10 guilders(now the €). The bulldog does not sell seeds, it sells pot and booze. Pot bars would work on par with bars and pay taxes as well. It is a different business, and can prosper with or without prohibition.
 
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Emery says he never sold pot. It's a mute issue. There are many individuals in Vancouver who have already operated Pot Bars for years, I am one of them. So far I have had 3 such locations, which are known, a few more they have no idea of. Emery has sought to take advantage of the sort term gains and has gotten himself screwed, he should of remebered he lives in a house of glass before he started throwing stones at the devil! As for links to the information, you're the scholar, look them up or stop pretending they don't exist. If you persist in mouthing about it I will spend a few hours getting them together and posting them here, but I'm an old man now, you can do the running around.if If you really can't find them at '''mapinc.org''' and '''cc forum''' search function I'll send them in gladly.
 
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Also how can you say you don't care about his non-cannabis views when this is an encyclopedia and examines every aspect of the subject exhaustively? This site is hardcore public freedom of informed speech , not cannabis culture...as Mr.Emery himself likes to say " you don't pay for this
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site, I do and I also do what I please". Hmm! Maybe I'll post the links on the main page, maybe the
list of quotes where he threatens publicly and in the most vicious way. Cotler was only one of his many targets over the years. He just didin't expect all the publicity( and '''scrutiny- small dead animals''' blog-) over an arrest he didn't know was coming. Now the shit has hit the fan. A number of
parady sites haved opened recently such as Cannabis Culture Cult at '''blogger'''
 
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:Ten years in A'dam, I am most envious. So, are you now in A'dam, or V'dam? I am well aware of what the Bulldog is, I cited it not a seedbank, but only as a very commercial cannabiz play (which ''would'' suffer under enforced prohibition, as would the city, as you know). I don't care about his non-cannabis views only insofar as I support him in his current situation. As an editor of an article on Emery, I contextualise them as one would for any biographical subject, according to the biographical drivers motivating the article.
 
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:Tomatoes are not a good analogy here, as to the price of seeds. The care that has gone into the breeding of cannabis varieties will continue to reflected in the price, regardless of prohibition. It is not so much "ten seeds", as it is a certified, viable copy of a quality genome for use by one grower. The big issue, I think, is whether one enforces copyrights (or protects in the public ___domain), what is fair use of a seed (make crosses, or inbreed for more seeds and sell them). Here we drift towards [[Monsanto]] territory, be very afraid. However, a three month grow is too big a risk for dubious seed. Grower confidence in reputations made during prohibition will continue as brand equity into legalisation.
 
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:As for your allegations, it is to you to do the research- when you hit the '''edit''' button on an article, you are a scholar too, with the responsibilities to ''objective truth'' that come with it. If you like, please post the links here on the talk page, and we'll discuss how it should shape the article. I ask this not to be difficult, nor out of disinterest, but because that it is how Wiki works. Alternatively, if you'd like to gossip, rant, opine, jeer and comment, you're welcome to do it here— God knows it's therapeutic sometimes.
 
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We have the same pic twice. i cannot find more thanm 1 image at the top <nowiki>image:Marcemery.jpg|right|Marc Emery</nowiki>? Any ideas. otherwise it is a technmical issue that needs to be taken to the village pump, [[User:SqueakBox|SqueakBox]] 15:59, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
 
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We can't have blogs in the external links section. TYo be honest your blog mostly just told me who you (presumably?) are. Is your problem with cannabis? are you against it? [[User:SqueakBox|SqueakBox]] 20:03, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
 
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==Sexual harrassment allegations==
I have moved the allegations to a criticism section. We should be very careful about mentioning his alleged victim by name and she certainly does not merit an article. The criticism section may be expanded. ♫ [[User:RichardWeiss|RichardWeiss]] [[User talk:RichardWeiss|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/RichardWeiss|contribs]] 10:47, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
 
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He is most recently known {{redacted}} at his business cannabis culture. [[Special:Contributions/99.239.232.11|99.239.232.11]] ([[User talk:99.239.232.11|talk]]) 17:50, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
[https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/59xp5q/how-prince-of-pot-marc-emery-used-his-cult-status-to-create-a-toxic-work-culture-canadian-cannabis]
:I've had to redact some of what you said. Our policy on [[WP:BLP]] says that you need to be careful about using your own words. This VICE article is already represented in our article, so nothing's been changed. -- [[user:zzuuzz|zzuuzz]] <sup>[[user_talk:zzuuzz|(talk)]]</sup> 18:16, 24 June 2020 (UTC)