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The result of the debate was ''No consensus = keep''' (11/11).--[[User:Shreshth91|Shreshth91]] 12:41, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
===[[Ted Collage]]===
Non notable, "college" is spelt wrong, virtually no content. [[User:Reyk|Reyk]] 00:16, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
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***Well, I would, personally. The idea of voting 'keep' just to run with the crowd is ridiculous and rather disturbing. Obviously people shouldn't disrupt Wikipedia if a democratic vote goes against them, but expressing a dissenting opinion is not even close to disruption. --[[User:Last Malthusian|Last Malthusian]] 14:18, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
****With what is passing for personal attacks around here these days, this is a borderline personal attack. Claiming that people vote "keep" to "run with the crowd" with no evidence, impugns the integrity of individual editor in a condescending, disgusting and offensive manner which implies both that "I know better" and that "those who routinely nominate and/or vote to delete school articles" would never lower themselves to such activity.--[[User:Nicodemus75|Nicodemus75]] 16:12, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
***Yes, Kappa I would. Substubs are evil, but if someone was willing to clean them up to a reasonable stub level, I'm always happy to change my vote. - [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm]]|[[User talk:MacGyverMagic|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 23:33, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' Delete, nn school. [[User:Dottoreso|Dottore So]] 12:49, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
*Is there any evidence that this school exists and is accredited? Absent that, '''delete'''. Any arguments about notability aside, Wikipedia is not in the business of documenting things or ideas that might exist. - [[User:A Man In Black|A Man In <
**Can't get too many hits in English but it's been mentioned in the Turkish Daily News [http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:UMuFC8we9AwJ:www.turkishdailynews.com/old_editions/08_08_98/dom.htm+%22ted+college%22+eregli&hl=en] so it does appear to exist. Unfortunately their website [http:www.tedkdzeregli.k12.tr] is under construction. [[User:Kappa|Kappa]] 13:04, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
***Looking at that, my vote stands. I can't see that as enough to build an encyclopedia article upon. - [[User:A Man In Black|A Man In <
****Yeah I guess we should just restrict ourselves to stuff that googles well in english and forget about building a global encyclopedia. [[User:Kappa|Kappa]] 13:22, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
*****Google isn't the be-all and end-all of reference, we both know that. That said, unless someone comes up with some solid sources, this ''does'' need to be deleted. Wikipedia is absolutely not in the practice of having articles on things that ''could be'' verifiable. - [[User:A Man In Black|A Man In <
******How is it not verifiable? It's mentioned in a newspaper, it's listed with a whole bunch of other Ted Colleges here [http://www.tedkonya.k12.tr/?PO=Contents&ID=19], it has an alumni website [http://www.alumni.net/Europe/Turkey/T.E.D._Kdz_Eregli_Koleji/], it's real school. We don't kill African villages just because we can't write featured articles about them. [[User:Kappa|Kappa]] 13:41, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
*******Those are more solid. We do kill articles we can't verify; if someone wrote a one-liner about an African village and that couldn't be substantiated, then yes, it would be deleted. Please shelve the systemic bias accusations, as I'm really only interested in enforcing [[WP:V]], which is one of Wikipedia's two guiding principles. - [[User:A Man In Black|A Man In <
********Here you go: [[Bakal, Mali]]. See if you can kill that, or consider interpreting [[WP:V]] in a way that doesn't increase [[WP:BIAS]]. [[User:Kappa|Kappa]] 14:04, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
*********Uh, okay. Redirected to [[Gao]] (which can clearly absorb it), plus a little bit of context. I'm not sure what your point is. (Of course, any time you want to add information to Wikipedia to prove me wrong somehow, feel free. :D ) - [[User:A Man In Black|A Man In <
**Hm. It seems TED stands for "Türk Eğitim Derneği," which is the name of Turkish Educational Association[http://f7385.tripod.com/Thesis/2_1.htm], whatever that is. I don't think there's a single TED College in the same way there's a George Washington University; I think that TED colleges may be schools accredited by this program or board. For example, look at [http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~tugrul/biography.html this bio]; it refers to the person going to "TED Ankara Koleji". I think we should delete this article, since the information contained therein is misleading, and see if we can't find a Turkish speaker to help the school Wikiproject make a proper article about the Türk Eğitim Derneği. - [[User:A Man In Black|A Man In <
*'''Comment''': It seems slightly strange that there are so few voices arguing to keep an article on a school. Where are all the inclusionists today? That said, if [[User:A Man In Black|A Man In Black]]'s surmise immediately above is accurate, then this article needs cleaning up to more accurately reflect the subject-matter, which would certainly deserve an article. — [[User:Haeleth|Haeleth]] <small>[[User_talk:Haeleth|Talk]]</small> 13:52, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
**Give us a chance, some of us just woke up for Heaven's sake.--[[User:Nicodemus75|Nicodemus75]] 16:12, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
**Well, considering the information here would not be a start on this article, and that this name isn't applicable, I don't think there's anything here worth saving. - [[User:A Man In Black|A Man In <
*'''Keep''' and expand into an article about the TED College system (?) or about a specific TED College in a specific area. [[User:Hipocrite|Hipocrite]] - [[User talk:Hipocrite|«<small>Talk</small>»]] 14:16, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' this verifiable high school in Turkey. Articles such as this indeed help to counter systemic bias in English Wikipedia.--[[User:Nicodemus75|Nicodemus75]] 16:12, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', nn [[User:Avalon|Avalon]] 16:13, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom.[[User:Gator1|Gator]][[User talk:Gator1|(talk)]] 16:21, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' this... College? Middle-to-High school? Name for a school system badly miswritten into an article about a non-existant individual school? Not enough verifiable information to even pin down what we're talking about, much less establish notability. --[[User:Aquillion|Aquillion]] 17:32, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' for now. Not enough verifiable information in the article. [[User:Gateman1997|Gateman1997]] 18:01, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' and let us not attack those who speak English as a second language, it is completely uncalled for and does not help Wikipedia in any way. [[User:Silensor|Silensor]] 19:31, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
** As for verifiability concerns, there are over 653 hits for this school which are not Wikipedia mirrors. [http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Ere%C4%9Fli+TED%22&hl=en&lr=&start=40&sa=N] [[User:Silensor|Silensor]] 19:34, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' Never heard of this place so it is non-notable and should not be included. [[User:Gatecrasher|Gatecrasher]] 19:50, 14 November 2005 (UTC) <sup>This vote is the 3rd edit by [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Gatecrasher User:Gatecrasher]</sup>
**This is an obvious sock puppet account. All edits are to AFD and this particular vote is the user's third edit. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Gatecrasher] Can a developer please issue a sock check against this account? [[User:Silensor|Silensor]] 20:13, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
**...that's not what non-notable means at all, Gatecrasher. Nobody is saying that things should be deleted just because so-and-so hasn't heard of it, and I don't see that as a very practical standard to hold any article up to. - [[User:A Man In Black|A Man In <span style="color:black;">'''Black'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:A_Man_In_Black|conspire]] | [[Special:Contributions/A Man In Black|past ops]])</small> 19:53, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' and expand, as per [[wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep]]. [[User:Carioca|Carioca]] 20:08, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
*'''keep''' please this high school is verifiable and important too [[User:Yuckfoo|Yuckfoo]] 00:33, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
**If it is then please put some verifiable info in the article. Because right now the article has no cited sources or links.[[User:Gateman1997|Gateman1997]] 01:25, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' and a link to the Türk Eğitim Derneği website has been added which makes several references to this school, so it is verifiable. [http://www.ted.org.tr/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=114] [http://www.ted.org.tr/modules.php?op=modload&name=Ted&file=subeler] [http://www.tedkdzeregli.k12.tr/] [http://www.ted.org.tr/modules.php?op=modload&name=Ted&file=panorama] [http://www.ted.org.tr/modules.php?op=modload&name=Burslar&file=aciklama] Unfortunately these pages are not in a language I understand. [[User:Yamaguchi先生|Yamaguchi先生]] 15:19, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''', seems like it verifiably exists. [[User:Christopherparham|Christopher Parham]] [[User_talk:Christopherparham|(talk)]] 16:09, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. This is an encyclopedia, not a directory. [[User:Pilatus|Pilatus]] 17:37, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' and allow for organic growth. [[User:Bahn Mi|Bahn Mi]] 05:07, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. It's what TED would have wanted. —[[user:Radman1|'''RaD Man''']] ([[User_talk:Radman1|''talk'']]) 10:01, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Easily passes notability test : if this school were American/English and not Turkish, there would be 100x as many Google hits / Internet references. Searching for the very specific {{mono|"Türk Eğitim Derneği" Ereğli}} gives 278 hits, which is pretty impressive in context. [[User:Turnstep|Turnstep]] 03:27, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
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