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:::::''There's'' the word I'm looking for! - [[User:Calmypal|Woo]][[User:Calmypal/Chess|d]][[User talk:Calmypal|row]] 00:29, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)

My input on the open vs. secret ballot question. This is an election, and democratic tradition has evolved in favor of secret ballots, to preserve voters from undue pressure or inappropriate consequences for their votes. An election is not a consensus-based process, like sysop/bureaucrat nominations. We're not voting yes-or-no on either Ed or Alex; we're choosing between Alex and Ed. By its nature, that has to be majority-oriented, whatever the actual voting formula. So unless our consensus is to reject an election process altogether, I think a secret ballot would be better. Of course, anybody can still openly declare how they're voting if they wish. But I do want to know, does anybody actually object to using an election process? That's a serious question, and we can't merely dismiss objections if there are any. --[[User:Michael Snow|Michael Snow]] 04:32, 10 Apr 2004 (UTC)

==Reasons for secret balloting==

Secret balloting is considered a basic [[civil right]]. One of the founding principles of this association is a respect for in human rights. Hopefully we want Wikipedia to respect the human rights of its members.

::Just to clarify, [[civil right]]s are not basic, they are specific as described by various political bodies. And [[civil right]]s are not [[human right]]s, which are also a subject of disagreement, such as between China and the United States, over whether housing is a basic human right. Uh, can I just offer to help and not be required to join anybody's subjective notion of a community? [[User:Mrs.HippieBurning|Mrs.HippieBurning]] 04:12, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

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==Independent Inspectors/Ballot counters==

We now have two independent and reliable individuals who can act as ballot counters,[[User:Jwrosenzweig]] and [[User:Zanimum]]. They are both sysops and not otherwise involved with the organization. I can state that I have no real relationship with either of these individuals. I do not know them personally and have not otherwise communicated with them outside Wikipedia. I think that Ed Poor should also disclose if he has any relationship or is in communication with these individuals in order to assure the members of AMA that the inspectors are, indeed, independent. This now means that Alex S can vote without being involved in the balloting process and a secret ballot can easily be done with votes being sent via email to each ballot counter/inspector. Any other suggestions? [[User:Alex756|— © ]] [[User talk:Alex756| Alex756 ]] 15:22, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

:I don't know who Zanimum is. I have communicated ith Jwrosenzweig only on Wikipedia. --[[User:Ed Poor|Uncle Ed]] 12:38, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

==Coordinator job description==

:I think that we should define exactly what the Coordinator will do a little more. Other than that, I saw we get the elections moving as soon as we can. Let's not lose momentum. --[[User:Alex S|Αλεξ]] [[User talk:Alex S|Σ ]] 14:35, 10 Apr 2004 (UTC)

::Also, let's state what the coordinator is not. This is what it currently states on the election page:

:*Job description: Connect users who request general advocate assistance with individual advocates who can represent them, co-ordinates policy discussion and maintains meta page

::To get the discussion going, I am suggesting that the coordinator is not a publicist or official representative of the association in the sense of having any power of representation. If the members want the coordinator to promote a position on behalf of the association, the coordinator would have to be willing to follow the will of the membership, however we could also elect someone else to be the official spokesperson of the AMA if the AMA wanted to take an official position on a certain topic or participate in policy discussions outside of the AMA. I see the coordinator's role as that of (1) faciliator, (2) a communication channel between AMA members, (3) someone who can help Wikipedians find an advocate, (4) someone who can discuss issues amongst advocates in an informal, collegial manner and (5) do some maintenance and contact tasks (like getting members to vote in internal straw polls). [[User:Alex756|— © ]] [[User talk:Alex756| Alex756 ]] 02:38, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)

:::I agree with Alex756, and should he be elected I will be happy to help in any way he asks. --[[User:Ed Poor|Uncle Ed]] 13:01, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

:::I see it as important that that they also make minor, or on the spot decisions, and be responsible for maintaining the meta page/sub pages. [[User:Sam Spade|Sam]] [[User talk:Sam Spade|'''Spade''']] 04:32, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)~

::::That is sort of what I had in mind regarding maintenance and contact tasks. Do we want to define minor any more specifically? [[User:Alex756|— © ]] [[User talk:Alex756| Alex756 ]] 05:47, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)

:::::No, I prefer it to be impossibly vague ;). If the coordinator oversteps, we can call him on it, and have a vote if necessary. Otherwise I want him having pretty free range, w only symbolic barriors for the most part. Thats my view, anyhow. [[User:Sam Spade|Sam]] [[User talk:Sam Spade|'''Spade''']] 05:51, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I think that the coordinator should be available to advise members who have questions relating to ethical issues. The advice of the coordinators should not carry more weight than any other member's, but the coordinator should be a reliable source for such advice. -- [[User:Lord Emsworth|Emsworth]] 13:20, Apr 12, 2004 (UTC)

:First of all, I'm glad that the election's being held. I think that as soon as its over the coordinator should be responsible for archiving all of this old election material as his first duty :-). Also, I think we should define a little more closely the requirements for being in the AMA. Just curious, how many members are sysops? Are there any who aren't sysops? Maybe that would be a good requirement. --[[User:Alex S|Αλεξ]] [[User talk:Alex S|Σ ]] 23:45, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)

==Ten vote==

Ten members have voted so far, one of which was an abstinence. -- [[user:zanimum]]

: Out of 21 eligible voters, 15 have submitted their ballots. -- [[user:zanimum]]

:: Four more, so 19 I believe have voted. -- [[user:zanimum]]