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===[[Nick Rose Day]]===▼
:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this page. ''
A personal essay on a supposed holiday at [[Harvard Law School]], but this reads like a hoax to me. Why would people celebrate a guy who hasn't graduated yet? This is just nonsense in my eyes at present. [[User:Harro5|Harro]]<b>[[User talk:Harro5|5]]</b> 21:17, 13 December 2005 (UTC)▼
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The result of the debate was '''DELETE'''.
Um. I am at [[Harvard Law School]], I know all the people involved. Anyone who wants to find out if this is true can email me. I will give you my real school email address and then send you proof of this. I can sent pictures, a notice from the school announcing the holiday, and a notice of the [http://www.hlcentral.org HL Central] Bar Review in honor of the day.▼
Final tally at close: 2 Keep; 10 Delete; 19 discarded anons/socks. [[User:OwenX|Owen×]] [[User talk:OwenX|<big>☎</big>]] 00:41, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
▲===[[Nick Rose Day]]===
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▲A personal essay on a supposed holiday at [[Harvard Law School]], but this reads like a hoax to me. Why would people celebrate a guy who hasn't graduated yet? This is just nonsense in my eyes at present. [[User:Harro5|Harro]]<b>[[User talk:Harro5|5]]</b> 21:17, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
:*<small>(responding to first comment by 140.247.237.231 in anonymous ip votes section)</small>I have better idea, Nick -- it is Nick, right? -- point us to the section of harvard.edu that announces it and we can take it from there. Until then, '''delete'''. --[[User:Calton|Calton]] | [[User talk:Calton|Talk]] 00:32, 14 December 2005 (UTC)▼
* '''Delete''' as [[WP:Complete Bollocks]]. [[User:Eddie.willers|Eddie.willers]] 05:40, 14 December 2005 (UTC)▼
* '''Delete''' per Eddie. The article verges on patent nonsense. Not a single [[WP:CITE|source]] provided ''in the article''. You'd've thought someone at law school would understand the importance of that. --[[User:Last Malthusian|Last Malthusian]] 10:32, 14 December 2005 (UTC)▼
* '''Delete''' Vanity and student pranks are nn. [[User:Catchpole|Catchpole]] 17:19, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
* '''Keep''' -- Harvard ''ergo'' notable. --[[User:SockpuppetSamuelson|SockpuppetSamuelson]] 11:51, 14 December 2005 (UTC)▼
*:'''Comment''': So you would support an article on every paving stone and restroom at Harvard? I don't really support that idea. [[User:Stifle|Stifle]] 10:13, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
::I note that my contribution, which was properly chronologically entered under ''Comments'', has been forcibly removed here. It is my impression that a great deal of what '''was''' here three days ago -- votes, albeit some of them anonymous -- has been removed ... edited out. I now ask that my contribution to returned to ''Comments'' since it appears clear to me that the '''cabal''' have edited these votes to fit their agenda --[[User:SockpuppetSamuelson|SockpuppetSamuelson]] 13:55, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
::*The only other contribution you have made to thie AfD logged in as "SockpuppetSamuelson" appears above. You can look at the history of this AfD to verify this yourself if you like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nick_Rose_Day&limit=500&action=history]. I spent nearly an hour trying to sort out the mess this AfD was in yesterday. It's entirely possible that I accidentally deleted some text, but if I did it was most definitely a) not text from you and b) not some act of a "cabal" acting to supress discussion/votes on this AfD to fit some agenda. If I made an error and did accidentally delete text, then by all means please show me what that text was by citing from the history of this article as noted above. Nobody is above fault, including me. If I made an error, I'm quite happy to admit it and fix it. --[[User:Durin|Durin]] 14:29, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
* '''Delete''': Google returns....nothing relevant. If, as according to the article's talk page, Nick Rose Day is "of national political significance" certainly '''''some''''' website out there would have mention of it? Yet, not a single one does. Odd for something that's not a hoax. Also, the ridiculous amount of anon IP votes and attempts at sock puppetry does not lend credibility to the article; rather the opposite. --[[User:Durin|Durin]] 18:11, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' due to masses of anonymous votes. [[User:Stifle|Stifle]] 10:13, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete.''' [[User:Ambi|Ambi]] 01:37, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
* '''Keep''' Fight the deletionist cabal. Onward, wikipedia. [[User:Naif|Naif]] 03:57, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''', unverified and probably nonsense.--[[User:Petaholmes|nixie]] 04:48, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' Not everything at Harvard is encyclopedic. The squirrels of Harvard Yard aren't notable. Unless this has gained attention with the broader public this is just a campus tradition. [[User:Durova|Durova]] 17:27, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
===="Anonymous IP votes" a.k.a Unbiased Efforts to "unmask [perceived] sockpuppet attempts" ====
▲*I have better idea, Nick -- it is Nick, right? -- point us to the section of harvard.edu that announces it and we can take it from there. Until then, '''delete'''. --[[User:Calton|Calton]] | [[User talk:Calton|Talk]] 00:32, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
To all the anon IPers; please at least attach a "<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>" to the end of your comments. Certainly if you're capable of getting into Harvard Law School you're capable of following that basic instruction, yes? Besides, if you don't we'll do it for you and will as done below. Thank you. --[[User:Durin|Durin]] 18:11, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
<br>''(The following is sorted by IP rather than date/time)''
* '''Keep''' - I too go to Harvard Law School. This day is real. This is the second year it was celebrated, and this year it was bigger than ever. Nick had nothing to do with the entry at all. The entire point is that he is so nice he would never do something like this. This was about everyone else recognizing him, and his holiday. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:24.61.41.95|24.61.41.95]] ([[User talk:24.61.41.95|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/24.61.41.95|contribs]]) 14:28, 14 December 2005</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
* '''Keep''' - I'm one of the women who wore red last year in support of Nick Rose day. It's a nice idea, and, while it might still be a small holiday, we really did celebrate it, and it's existence was documented on blackboards throughout the school last week, urging people to celebrate. The whole school also got two emails (at least) urging everyone to celebrate by thanking the nice guys in our lives. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:24.61.42.254|24.61.42.254]] ([[User talk:24.61.42.254|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/24.61.42.254|contribs]]) 13:19, 14 December 2005</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
* '''Keep''' - i attend HLS and Nick Rose Day was celebrated complete with a Bar Review. It is a real event, regardless of whether or not it's in the Advisor. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:24.61.41.250|24.61.41.250]] ([[User talk:24.61.41.250|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/24.61.41.250|contribs]]) 14:21, 14 December 2005</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
:''Attempted sock puppet votes by 24.61.41.250:''
:* '''Keep''' - Is Nick Rose Day real? Well, in the words of one of the greatest thespians of our time, Ben Affleck in his earth-shattering performance in Armageddon... "I hope so. Otherwise what the hell are we fighting for." <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:24.61.41.250|24.61.41.250]] ([[User talk:24.61.41.250|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/24.61.41.250|contribs]]) 14:54, 14 December 2005</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
:* '''Keep''' - Say what you will about the tenets of Nick Rose Day. At least its an ethos. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:24.61.41.250|24.61.41.250]] ([[User talk:24.61.41.250|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/24.61.41.250|contribs]]) 14:51, 14 December 2005</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
* '''Keep''' - Why is this so hard to believe? Do you really think that Harvard announcements would be open to the public? Do you really think we want the unwashed masses, the riff-raff that populate Cambridge, attending our events? Forbid it almighty God! As should be clear by now from the voluminous response from Harvard Law students, this is a real event. The Nick Rose Day Happy Hour was held at Tommy Doyles in Harvard Square. This celebration occurred immediately following the Nick Rose Day party, an event that was heavily attended. Perhaps if those of you who doubt this holiday’s existence try very hard and pray fervently to your gods, you too can attend Harvard Law School and experience this deeply significant cultural event. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:24.128.136.63|24.128.136.63]] ([[User talk:24.128.136.63|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/24.128.136.63|contribs]]) 16:13, 14 December 2005</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
* '''Keep''' - I do not attend HLS, but I am a lawyer, I do know several people who currently attend HLS, I interview applicants from HLS, and I am well aware of Nick Rose Day. First person accounts should be allowed for a Wikipedia entry; any suggestion about 'standards' not allowing first person accounts is absurd. You can contact any number of HLS students (or me - bpashler@gmail.com) to verify - if after that you feel that this is all part of an elaborate conspiracy to invent a tradition out of whole cloth, then feel free to edit the section to include that commentary. But to delete the content in the face of first person verifiable accounts (and no verifiable does not require a web link - check your definition of veracity) is not consistent with the standards of Wikipedia, so get off your high horse...<small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:38.117.182.130|38.117.182.130]] ([[User talk:38.117.182.130|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/38.117.182.130|contribs]]) 20:14, 14 December 2005</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
* '''Keep''' [[User:63.115.63.171|63.115.63.171]] 23:38, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
* '''Keep''' - Nick Rose is for real. Jesus, we don't have time for hoaxes over here!<small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:128.103.11.31|128.103.11.31]] ([[User talk:128.103.11.31|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/128.103.11.31|contribs]]) 13:31, 14 December 2005</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
* '''Keep''' - the future leaders of the legal, financial and political world rely on Nick Rose Day to bring cheer to them in the cold, dark days of a Cambridge December as exams approach. While it is of relatively recent vintage, it has become widely accepted, and was celebrated on a school-wide basis in 2005. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:128.103.187.253|128.103.187.253]] ([[User talk:128.103.187.253|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/128.103.187.253|contribs]]) 17:11, 14 December 2005</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
* '''Keep''' - <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:138.88.0.209|138.88.0.209]] ([[User talk:138.88.0.209|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/138.88.0.209|contribs]]) 14:42, 14 December 2005</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
* '''KEEP''' Though I know the wikipedia holier/nerdier/somehow-better-linked-to-a-general social and intellectual-conscienceness-than-thou "community" will nix it. HLS brethren, look at the discussion for (the ultimate) deletion of [D-bag football]. It is quite enlightening to see what others think they know about this school, its students, or even what a reasonable argument to keep a page looks like. Again, the anti-HLS bias present in this "community" ranges from innane contempt to outright animosity. Know that comments like "I fear for the future of American jurisprudence" and "if you're a law student, shouldn't you....(wow, whoever wrote that, just wow)" reflect a larger issue with the people on this site ... considering the number of undeleted, horribly written pages on this server that have little to do with anything of importance (by any definition ...even the mighty Wikipedia's, which you will find means '''nothing'''). Seriously, look at this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/D-Bag_Football and see where well-articulated, logical, and, frankly, CORRECT arguments will get you. See the SAME BS COMMENTS? .............................The irony is simple; the better you defend your site, ''the more they will go after you''. Make a broad argument? You are too dumb for law school, much less Harvard. Mop the floor with a Nozickian deconstruction of their flimsy premises? Well now you are simply being pretentious, and hey, you aren't that smart anyway you over-privileged snoot. Point out their OBVIOUS prejudice? What are you talking about you elite ass -- get out of your ivory tower and taste the real word (for a change). Now for the record, I am bitter and angry at Wikipedia, but not for the loss of the d-bag article .... it is for the hypocrisy that seems more than apparent by this alledged community. Just remember HLS folk, even after they delete this article (and they will, take my advice and save the html now) you can peruse Wikipedia for MUCH more important celebrations like, say, [[Linucon]]. Yeah. Right. Oh, am I myself prejudicial for calling out the nerds? Well, examine the profile of the magnificent leader who deleted the d-bag page (re-link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/D-Bag_Football) and call me a liar. Oh, and before you call me ''anything'' really read that page: it is more than likely your whine has already been addressed. ----[[User:Dgaston|Dgaston]] 16:08, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[[User:140.247.205.92|140.247.205.92]] 04:50, 15 December 2005 (UTC)DGaston
* '''Keep''' - this is a real holiday celebrated by students at the Harvard Law School, with defined rituals (wearing pink/red) and a real-life inspiration (the actual Nick Rose). This year it was recognized by the Dean of Students, campus social organizations, and several student-run parties at local bars. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:140.247.207.39|140.247.207.39]] ([[User talk:140.247.207.39|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/140.247.207.39|contribs]]) 13:30, 14 December 2005</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
▲* Um. I am at [[Harvard Law School]], I know all the people involved. Anyone who wants to find out if this is true can email me. I will give you my real school email address and then send you proof of this. I can sent pictures, a notice from the school announcing the holiday, and a notice of the [http://www.hlcentral.org HL Central] Bar Review in honor of the day. If you doubt this, i can prove it. Please do not delete this entry. Email me at Saucyintruders@gmail.com. Also, check out the Harvard Law School Section 5 Blog at: saucyintruders.blogspot.com, which has a link to this email address also. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:140.247.237.231|140.247.237.231]] ([[User talk:140.247.237.231|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/140.247.237.231|contribs]]) 21:44, 13 December 2005</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
* '''Keep''' - I celebrated this holiday last year and this year, you may think its unimportant but it is very real nonetheless. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:140.247.242.217|140.247.242.217]] ([[User talk:140.247.242.217|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/140.247.242.217|contribs]]) 15:22, 14 December 2005</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
* '''Keep''' - this has become an important annual tradition at Harvard Law School. It is a bona fide holiday. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:141.154.46.120|141.154.46.120]] ([[User talk:141.154.46.120|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/141.154.46.120|contribs]]) 16:15, 14 December 2005</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
* '''Keep''' - Highly culturally significant event in the lives of the particular population. Important for understanding the inner-workings of a devious and twisted mind.<small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:151.203.217.177|151.203.217.177]] ([[User talk:151.203.217.177|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/151.203.217.177|contribs]]) 13:55, 14 December 2005</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
* '''Keep''' - Nick Rose is the heart and soul of Harvard Law School. If you do not keep this web site, you will be sorry when he replaces Chief Justice Roberts AND Justice Ginsberg in 25 years. Yes, that's right, Nick Rose is so awesome that he will replace TWO justices at once! <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:152.163.100.204|152.163.100.204]] ([[User talk:152.163.100.204|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/152.163.100.204|contribs]]) 15:52, 14 December 2005</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
* '''Keep''' - I am also an HLS student and can verify that Nick Rose Day is an actual event. Thought I'm not sure that anything we do will convince anyone. (dklein) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:209.6.22.200|209.6.22.200]] ([[User talk:209.6.22.200|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/209.6.22.200|contribs]]) 16:51, 14 December 2005</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
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▲*'''Delete''' as [[WP:Complete Bollocks]]. [[User:Eddie.willers|Eddie.willers]] 05:40, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
NB on "sock puppet" votes. As it turns out HLS is expensive, and as such we students like to get what are called "roomates" in the parlance of our times. this being the case, myself and my 2 roomates (as well as other apartments i might add) share the same wireless connection and (lordy!) the same IP address. Thus, any claim of "sock puppet" votes is in fact re-tahd-ed as people here would say. good day. [[User:24.61.41.250|24.61.41.250]] 00:53, 15 December 2005 (UTC) (no idea what "[[User:24.61.41.250|24.61.41.250]] 00:53, 15 December 2005 (UTC)" means.
▲*'''Delete''' per Eddie. The article verges on patent nonsense. Not a single [[WP:CITE|source]] provided ''in the article''. You'd've thought someone at law school would understand the importance of that. --[[User:Last Malthusian|Last Malthusian]] 10:32, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
*And how does anyone external to Harvard verify that there's a procession of people using the same IP and not one person attempting to sockpuppet? We don't. Regardless, the long procession of anon-IP votes is not helping to keep the article. As I previously noted, it is in fact harming it. If you want this article to remain, then provide some externally verifiable proof. How about scanning an article about the holiday from The Harvard Crimson and tossing it up on a web server somewhere? Better yet, reference the article on their website. I searched their website though, and there's nary a peep about it. If it's such a big event, how come the Crimson doesn't even cover it? Look, all of these assertions by the anonymous IPs are meaningless without verifiable sources. Please see [[Wikipedia:Verifiability]]. We need *something* to go on. --[[User:Durin|Durin]] 13:43, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
===="Long, pointless text" '''a.k.a. Verifiable Evidence copy/pasted from an Official Harvard Law School Publication''' (access to internal servers required, this is why it is pasted) nonsense====
No, its not Nick, although Nick is quite amused by all this controversy. The section of the website, which is called the Advisor, http://internal.law.harvard.edu/adviser/2005/12/08/general.php, is protected. Hence, I can forward you the email that has the listing of titles (although the links wont work for you). The Advisor is the internal site at Harvard Law School that lists all the events and things happening on campus.
Here is the email with the links:
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Midnight Pancake Breakfast
Catholic Mass
Fellowships
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General Interest
'''Happy Nick Rose Day'''
Holiday Gift Drive
HLS Giving Tree: A Gift Drive for Homeless Children
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General Information
To view this week's Adviser online, visit:
http://internal.law.harvard.edu/adviser/
<small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:140.247.237.231|140.247.237.231]] ([[User talk:140.247.237.231|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/140.247.237.231|contribs]]) 02:12, 14 December 2005</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
:* Why look: it's a whole lot of typing, alleging to be a bulletin, but unverfiable because its supposed source is '''completely inaccessible to the public'''. My bullshit meter has officially pegged. This isn't some stupid stunt to suck up to Alan Dershowitz, is it? --[[User:Calton|Calton]] | [[User talk:Calton|Talk]] 05:05, 14 December 2005 (UTC)<br>▼
===Comments===▼
▲*Why look: it's a whole lot of typing, alleging to be a bulletin, but unverfiable because its supposed source is '''completely inaccessible to the public'''. My bullshit meter has officially pegged.
*This isn't some stupid stunt to suck up to Alan Dershowitz, is it? --[[User:Calton|Calton]] | [[User talk:Calton|Talk]] 05:05, 14 December 2005 (UTC)▼
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▲====Comments====
The anon {{User|140.247.237.231}} defending this nonsense left a message on my Talk page. My reply to the IP talk, but reproduced here to be sure he sees it:
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I cant defend this anymore. If you are so nuts about deleting it then just do it. Maybe some day I wil re-post it and try and work this all out. Everything here can be verified. And no, this is not done by Nick.
<small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:68.163.141.101|68.163.141.101]] ([[User talk:68.163.141.101|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/68.163.141.101|contribs]]) 06:02, 14 December 2005</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
*''Wow. It appears that Wikipedia is overrun by people with way too much time on their hands, something which I do not have.'' Funny, you seemed to have plenty of time to whip up this nonsense -- and concoct excuses why you couldn't prove it -- to be talking about other people with "way too much time on their hands".
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*And guy, "overrun"? If this is what passes for legal thinking at one of America's most prestigious law schools, I fear for the future of American jurisprudence. --[[User:Calton|Calton]] | [[User talk:Calton|Talk]] 08:55, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
*"''And guy, "overrun"? If this is what passes for legal thinking at one of America's most prestigious law schools, I fear for the future of American jurisprudence. --Calton | Talk 08:55, 14 December 2005 (UTC)"'' - since when is a wikipedia entry classified as legal thinking? Does a proctologist have to talk about anuses all day? Not everything done by a lawyer (let alone a law student) meets the rigourous critera for formal legal reasoning. Ever hear of the law of diminishing returns? Well, putting too much effort into something like Wikipedia would not be very smart, would it? <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:68.163.141.101|68.163.141.101]] ([[User talk:68.163.141.101|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/68.163.141.101|contribs]]) 13:01, 14 December 2005</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
▲* '''Keep''' -- Harvard ''ergo'' notable. --[[User:SockpuppetSamuelson|SockpuppetSamuelson]] 11:51, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
:*''...since when is a wikipedia entry classified as legal thinking?'' Okay, I was being overly specific: since there were only THREE responses total to this AfD when you whined about Wikipedia being "overrun", you displayed remarkably poor reasoning and logic skills ''generally'' -- fundamental skills important in the more nuanced practice of ''legal'' reasoning. Finding these shortcomings in someone claiming to be a Harvard Law student is like finding a CalTech student who can't do long division or a triathlete who can't swim.
:*''Does a proctologist have to talk about anuses all day?'' No, but he should be able to tell his ass from his elbow. I'm thinking that this may pose a problem for you. [[User:Calton|Calton]] | [[User talk:Calton|Talk]] 14:31, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
**Dear [[User:Calton|Calton]], please read my previous post. And to the brilliant mind who found the time to move and reformat it (as well as to subject it to de facto marginalization becasue I, like others new to the "community," didn't create accounts...) please move it back so that people may compare it to comments like the one above: it is now officially signed.--[[User:Dgaston|Dgaston]] 16:16, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
****''Dear [[User:Calton|Calton]], please read my previous post.'' I did. Legacy admission, right? --[[User:Calton|Calton]] | [[User talk:Calton|Talk]] 02:13, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
***** What does that mean? Was Mr. Rose a legacy? Does that matter? I really don't know ... clue me in. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Dgaston|Dgaston]] ([[User talk:Dgaston|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dgaston|contribs]]) 08:42, 16 December 2005</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
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******* I was reading "Legacy Admission" in a context related to academic institutions, i.e. family connections linked to school admission. I now assume that is not what you meant -- and that my above questions are unrelated to yours. Thanks. --[[User:Dgaston|Dgaston]] 05:22, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
***I'm not going to undo the changes I made to unsort logged in and non-logged in votes. If you feel there is a need to do so, then feel free to go through the ~hour of work to do so. Personally, I don't see there being a reason for doing so. There is no de facto marginalization. The votes for anon-IPs exist and have not been removed from the page. They've been sorted by IP in an attempt to quell the apparent sock-puppet attempts and allow the admin that closes this AfD to do so more easily rather than having to contend with the mess this AfD was in before I did the sort. I invite you to review [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion#AfD_etiquette]], in particular the 4th bullet. Thanks for your time. --[[User:Durin|Durin]] 16:30, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
****so you have "~hour" to support one point of view but 0 time for the other. Interesting. That seems pretty unbiased to me. ... Right. Also, if you think your little effort to help the admin is unbiased, either you are a liar or a fool. I really don't care which, but I am leaving your biased edits for the admin. to judge. Also, for the future, please leave the admission criteria for hls to those who are qualified to make such assesments. ''See'' "if you're capable of getting into Harvard Law School you're capable of following that basic instruction, yes?"--[[User:Dgaston|Dgaston]] 08:42, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
*****My changes did not support one view or another. My changes organized the AfD in an appropriate manner. It was horribly formatted before my changes, and very difficult to follow. I don't particularly care if you think I am a liar or fool. I acted in good conscience, and my conscience is clear. Rather than spending so much time attempting to rebuke me and others for all sorts of perceived sins, why not spend the time to find some externally verifiable information regarding this supposed holiday? You're not helping keep the article with your efforts. If you really want the article kept, then exert some of that energy into finding some sources. --[[User:Durin|Durin]] 13:20, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
******I don't think you are a liar or a fool, and I apologize if you found the comments above to imply as such. I was strictly speaking towards the "percieved sin" of biased organization. I (and others) found these "housekeeping" edits to be so obviously slanted that the only avenues of denial appeared to be deceit or ignorance. Well, that plus my perception of you and others harboring a healthy bias against HLS. But that is not how a discussion should run, and I apologize to all for nudging it off track. However, I took your advice and refocused my efforts. With some cross-checking (verifying some "long pointless text" posted above), I found cause for some reorganization of my own. I have re-confirmed a source ''and'' participated in some clean-up. Thank you for the sage advice. --[[User:Dgaston|Dgaston]] 08:47, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
* I edited the entry to remove some of the personal refernces (not put there by me to begin with), in hopes that this will make the entry more palatable to the censors here. I dont know what else to tell you - the primary source is protected although I can forward the email that the administration sends to everyone each week with the weeks announcements. [[User:140.247.238.138|140.247.238.138]] 22:01, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
* To the supporters: compare your article to [[Columbia University Marching Band]]. They're in the encyclopedia because they've received national press coverage and been on the David Letterman show. [[User:Durova|Durova]] 17:42, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
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