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The result was '''no consensus'''. [[User:Spartaz|Spartaz]] <sup>''[[User talk:Spartaz|Humbug!]]''</sup> 16:53, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
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** '''Disagree''' - so long as you think [[Hayes command set]] refers to a Wikipedia article and not an actual specification, the notion that it's "unreferenced" is a little bit inaccurate. The fact that Hayes doesn't make their original spec a free download on the Web that can be linked to, does not invalidate it as a source. [[User:Reswobslc|Reswobslc]] ([[User talk:Reswobslc|talk]]) 04:25, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
***It is quite simple: you [[Wikipedia:RS#Primary.2C_secondary.2C_and_tertiary_sources|can't cite Wikipedia as a source]]. The concatenation stuff was unnecessary in that context anyway, so I have moved it to the AT command article. "Hayes original spec" is irrelevant: the &D command didn't exist in 1977 and there are perfectly good public sources for the AT command set as it is used today, e.g. the [http://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC-V.250/en V.250 standard] and the [http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdenetwork/kppp/hayes-extended-commands.html KDE documentation] (which is [http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase-runtime/faq/credits.html licensed under GFDL]). In fact I've added five references to the section, but I ''still'' think it is detail that belongs in a Wikibook, not an encyclopedia article. - [[User:Pointillist|Pointillist]] ([[User talk:Pointillist|talk]]) 11:50, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
****You can however use the Hayes command set itself as a source, even if you have no link to it. Mind you, that is a ''primary source'', which can be used, but only in some cases. For the specific balancing act here, see [[Wikipedia:RS#Self-published and questionable sources as sources on themselves]] and [[WP:PRIMARY]]. [[User:Martijn Hoekstra|Martijn Hoekstra]] ([[User talk:Martijn Hoekstra|talk]]) 12:38, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
** Other serial comms articles need a re-vamp, too. [[Flow control]] has only one reference, [[Software flow control]] likewise. In the days when 1200bps modems and Diablo 630s were hot (early 1980s) every programmer had shelves full of Sybex and Osborne reference books covering this stuff. It must be possible to cite better sources than the current ones! - [[User:Pointillist|Pointillist]] ([[User talk:Pointillist|talk]]) 01:39, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
:: I now see the main discussion is taking place at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ring Indicator|the Ring Indicator AfD]], so I'll join in there. - [[User:Pointillist|Pointillist]] ([[User talk:Pointillist|talk]]) 01:59, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
* '''Keep''': article about a sufficiently important and complex subject that meets both notability and verifiability criteria. -- [[User:The Anome|The Anome]] ([[User talk:The Anome|talk]]) 11:52, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
* '''Comment by nominator''': This level of detail should be moved to a Wikibook, since it approaches a how-to discussion inappropriate for an encyclopedia. --[[User:Wtshymanski|Wtshymanski]] ([[User talk:Wtshymanski|talk]]) 14:54, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
*'''Merge and redirect''' some content into RS232. Some of this belongs in Wikihow or elsewhere, but for sure some content is ''not'' about DTR. <small>[[User talk:Bongomatic|<sup style="color:green;">Bongo</sup>]]</small><small>[[Special:Contributions/Bongomatic|<sub style="margin-left:-4.2ex; color:blue;">matic</sub>]]</small> 03:32, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
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