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The result was '''delete'''. '''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 11:39, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
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*'''Delete''' -- no notability demonstrated in any source, and no sources to support the claims. [[User:N2e|N2e]] ([[User talk:N2e|talk]]) 22:44, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
*<small class="delsort-notice">'''Note''': This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Computing|list of Computing-related deletion discussions]]. <!--Template:Delsort--></small> <small>-- [[User:Gene93k|• Gene93k]] ([[User talk:Gene93k|talk]]) 22:56, 13 March 2010 (UTC)</small>
*'''Keep''' You guys obviously didn't look very hard for links. But there they are now and they establish notability. Now someone just needs to incorporate them into the article. [[User:Silver seren|<span style="color:silver;">Silver</span>]][[User talk:Silver seren|<span style="color:blue;">seren</span>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]]</sup> 00:48, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
**'''Changing vote to Neutral''' Sorry, I missed those sources, though I still have yet to see any mention of non-trivial usage outside of academia. Nevertheless, the article really does need to be refined to emphasize on Mondrian's unique features; the "hello world" example does anything but that. [[User:Tuxcantfly|Tuxcantfly]] ([[User talk:Tuxcantfly|talk]]) 03:59, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
:::That's true, the article certainly needs some work, but we're not here for that, we're here to establish notability. Do the sources do that? [[User:Silver seren|<span style="color:silver;">Silver</span>]][[User talk:Silver seren|<span style="color:blue;">seren</span>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]]</sup> 04:03, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Sorry, but the cited sources do not cut it; all are self-published, or not independent, or do not give significant coverage; most miss the mark on all three counts (if they are about this language at all, and not about some other homonymous product). --[[User talk:Lambiam|Lambiam]] 23:16, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
*:[http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:u2mUQY-mq2gJ:citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download%3Fdoi%3D10.1.1.44.9509%26rep%3Drep1%26type%3Dpdf+%22Mondrian%22+programming+language+Utrecht&hl=en&gl=us&sig=AHIEtbRp-xjp8bJaEwY1kIs7KTvCcS-8Kw The Design and Implementation of Mondrian]
*:Might I ask what is wrong with this source? [[User:Silver seren|<span style="color:silver;">Silver</span>]][[User talk:Silver seren|<span style="color:blue;">seren</span>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]]</sup> 23:28, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
*::Seeing as this is a paper by the designers of the language, this source would seem not to be quite "[[Wikipedia:Independent sources|independent]] of the subject" as required by our [[WP:general notability guideline|general notability guideline]]. --[[User talk:Lambiam|Lambiam]] 23:57, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
:::[http://books.google.com/books?id=DlQv7P5BUFIC&pg=PA150&lpg=PA150&dq=%22Mondrian%22+programming+language+Utrecht&source=bl&ots=i7beIVeoqC&sig=gYESf72ZcdxjWVoee-elhdpau6M&hl=en&ei=zi-cS_7nEY_YsgOd8Kl-&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CA4Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=&f=false "Scripting .NET Using Mondrian"]
:::This, while written by them, is not self-publicity, it is not advertisement, it is not self-published, for it is only contained in a compilation book not of their design, and it is not an autobiography, nor is it a press release. Thus, it does not fit under the "independent of the subject" guiding line. And this source is extremely thorough is discussing the topic at hand. Now, unless you are going to say that while they are the authoritative masters of the subject, they still do not count, this source must then be valid. This article isn't a biography article, it is not about a person, just because they are people affiliated with something that is not another person does not make the source invalid. [[User:Silver seren|<span style="color:silver;">Silver</span>]][[User talk:Silver seren|<span style="color:blue;">seren</span>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]]</sup> 07:21, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
*'''delete''' No independent evidence of notability. [[User:Mukadderat|Mukadderat]] ([[User talk:Mukadderat|talk]]) 15:41, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' non-notable. [[User:Ridernyc|Ridernyc]] ([[User talk:Ridernyc|talk]]) 20:35, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
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