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:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the category above. <span style="color:red;">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the category's talk page (if any). No further edits should be made to this page. ''
The result of the debate was '''50 opp, 28 rename. no clear consensus to rename so keep. (delete votes not counted per previous discussion, and were minority here anyhow)'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 13:49, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
It is agreed that it is an administrative category. It was intensensly unpopular when nominated for deletion, but Jimbo Wales will not consider deletion. Therefore the idea of giving it the least noticeable possible name has been floated a couple of times on the talk page. Renaming it to a symbol should reduce the risk of subcategories popping up when they are not appropriate. '''Rename''' [[:Category:*]] [[User:Choalbaton|Choalbaton]] 23:02, 23 January 2006 (UTC).
:I disagree that it was intensely unpopular when nominated for deletion. A handful of AfD regulars voted against it, but that's hardly a community process. I consider this renaming poll to be nothing short of trolling.
:The idea that the category is 'too broad' or 'useless' is directly contradicted by the fact that we have literally dozens of categories which are just as broad or broader.--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] 11:11, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Just a note: '''DELETE IS NOT AN OPTION'''. Jimbo Wales has specifically vetoed deletion. We're only talking renaming. —[[User:Simetrical|Simetrical]] ([[User talk:Simetrical|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Simetrical|contribs]]) 05:37, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' [[:Category:Funct people]], to Wikify against [[:Category:Defunct people]]. [[User:12.73.196.175|12.73.196.175]] 23:11, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' to *, it takes up minimal space, does not tempt people to try to navigate with it, and because it doesn't actually say "this is a living person" it can be used for other things which equally require monitoring like a band article containing biographical info (or in fact anything we like). Incidentally the CFR tag has been removed from the category [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category%3ALiving_people&diff=36421586&oldid=36420327] , not sure if it was intentional or not. [[User:Kappa|Kappa]] 00:09, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
**I found no mention of the tag removal on the talk page so I replaced it. -- [[User:SamuelWantman|Samuel Wantman]] 00:59, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
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**It's supposed to be uninformative. The hope is that casual readers (ie. nearly everyone) will ignore it. When people see it they only need click on it once to find out what it is about, and then they can forget about it again. Much better than having the absurdity of "living people" under your nose all the time. [[User:Choalbaton|Choalbaton]] 01:41, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Rename'''. I'd also agree to [[:Category:Watched bio]]. Nobody is advocating that this is a useful category for browsing, its creation is just for administrative purposes. For this reason I think it should have a very low profile. If it has a longer name, the TALK page should be categorized instead of the article page. At present, that would make it difficult to look at related changes for all the articles, so a compromise is to make this name as unobtrusive as possible. -- [[User:SamuelWantman|Samuel Wantman]] 00:52, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' [[:category:*]] as the best available alternative to deletion. [[User:Osomec|Osomec]] 02:11, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Rename''' or do whatever to make it as invisible as possible. [[User:Pavel Vozenilek|Pavel Vozenilek]] 03:15, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' at least with "living people" one can figure out which articles are in there. A name such as " * ", might be acceptable for a template based category. If one wants to make it disappear, it might be possible to do this on the custom CSS. -- User:Docu
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*'''Comment'''. I'm tuning in late on this one, and amn't fully up to date (though I'm vaguely aware of there being an edict in effect) so sorry if this has been covered already. Can't we simply keep the category as-is, but use it on talk pages only, as is fairly usual for "advisory" or "administrative" categories? [[User:Alai|Alai]] 06:12, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
**I have suggested this several times with no "official" response. I suspect the problem is that currently the category is being monitored using ''Related changes''. Putting the category on the talk page would defeat this. -- [[User:SamuelWantman|Samuel Wantman]] 06:43, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
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*******But it's not being done automatedly anyway, is it? Subcategorisation of "Living people"'s already been mooted, so it's not clear to me that a ''single'' place to watch is an absolute requirement. Or even that it's a good idea, given the scale of the monitoring task. Splitting by initial letter, or by nationality, would give feasibly-sized pages to watch. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 08:00, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
******Well it's automatic in the sense that editing the article puts it in the category, whereas editors would have to edit the (huge) lists themselves if there was no category. I suppose we should try to get a definite answer on whether partioning is an option. [[User:Kappa|Kappa]] 08:14, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Rename'''. Kappa's arguments are good ones. [[User:Sjakkalle|Sjakkalle]] [[User talk:Sjakkalle|<small>(Check!)</small>]] 07:27, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Rename''' as per Kappa. - [[User:TexasAndroid|TexasAndroid]] 14:43, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
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* '''Oppose''': I agree that "Living people" isn't a category that I'd create, but making it ''unobtrusive'' by making it obfuscated is just bad form. Let's keep it as "Living people" and work to make the category invisible using a software change, if it really shouldn't be visable to users browsing. It's not a usable category, but at least we know what it is by looking at it. [[User:Jrp|JRP]] 15:49, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Oppose renaming''', obfuscation is not the way to make this idea more useful. Skin-modifications for hiding/separating administrative categories may be. -- [[User:Nae'blis|nae'blis]] <i><sub>[[User_talk:Nae'blis|(talk)]]</sub></i> 17:06, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename'''. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_<
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**The whole point of doing this with a category is to avoid using up developer's time with code fixes. [[User:Kappa|Kappa]] 22:15, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' rename. * is completely meaningless. [[User:Enochlau|enochlau]] ([[User talk:Enochlau|talk]]) 22:03, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
* '''Oppose'''. When I first saw this category, I thought it was a rather odd idea (and would become ridiculously large), but per Jimbo, it should be kept, and under an informative name. <nowiki>*</nowiki> is used when we're indexing something particularly important, that a reader would be specifically looking for, into a category - plus the other uses that <nowiki>*</nowiki> has in wiki code. To have a category by that same name would be quite confusing. --[[User:Idont havaname|Idont Havaname]] ([[User talk:Idont havaname|Talk]]) 22:15, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
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*'''THIS IS INSANE--A CATEGORY FOR ALL LIVING PEOPLE--DO WE HAVE 6 BILLION WIKIPAGES TO SPARE??!!!'''
**Technically, yes: [[WP:NOT]] paper. Your next question…? —[[User:Phil Boswell|Phil]] | [[User talk:Phil Boswell|Talk]] 09:09, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
***Technically, yes, but practically, no we don't. [[User:Bwithh|Bwithh]] 15:20, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
****If we had 30 KB (very large article, in other words, about half the length of [[GWB]]'s page) on each of 6,000,000 people, that would be 180 TB extra. There are about 38.7 million page revisions stored; taking 2 KB from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wikistats/EN/TablesWikipediaEN.htm here] as a rough mean of page size, that's around 80 GB counting metadata. So yes, I think it may be correct to say that a 2000-fold increase in database size might be impractical. :) —[[User:Simetrical|Simetrical]] ([[User talk:Simetrical|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Simetrical|contribs]]) 05:37, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
**My understanding is that the category is only for noteworthy living people, not all living people, so there isn't a need for 6 billion articles in the category, because only a fraction of the 6 billion people are noteworthy. [[User:Q0|Q0]] 12:08, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
THIS IS INSANE!!!! [[User:67.101.192.188|67.101.192.188]] 23:42, 24 January 2006 (UTC)(rms125a@hotmail.com)
:Yes, but there are still 100 million people that are noteworthy. <b>[[User:Rogerthat|<
::It'll only be 57,000. The thinking is this will allow them to monitor all 57,000 for potential lawsuits. This is supported by the fact that this category has been around ten whole days and there hasn't been a Wikipedia related libel scandal in that vastly long stretch of time. If you don't think this proves the case for it, as I don't, you should bring that up in a more appropriate venue.--[[User:T. Anthony|T. Anthony]] 13:41, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
*<s>'''Delete'''.</s> Agree with 67.101 etc. This has to be the most dumbass category outside the various "Wikipedian" cats. It will also require constant monitoring, every time a few hundred thousand people per day pop off, they will all have to be shifted to [[:Category:Dead people]]. Or don't they count? Anyway, it will only draw still more time away from RESEARCHING AND WRITING INTELLIGENT AND ACCURATE ARTICLES on the several billion topics not even yet identified in Wikipedia, not to mention adding all the living people yet to be included in this cat. Wikipedia at the breaking point... [[User:12.73.195.185|12.73.195.185]] 01:52, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
**"Delete" is not an option, by decree of Jimbo. I've taken the liberty of striking that out, please choose another option. [[User:Kappa|Kappa]] 06:54, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
***On thinking on it I'm erasing my previous comments. I went to the category talk page and got a sense of its true purpose. The purpose is simply stupid and there's no rename that could really alter that. The purpose intended will inevitably fail for reasons that would take too long to get into. I vote '''Delete'''
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*<s>'''Delete'''</s> and populate [[:Category:Year of death missing]]. Anybody who is not there or [[:Category:(year) deaths]] should be alive. --[[User:Vizcarra|Vizcarra]] 02:24, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
**'''Question''': how would you be proposing that we tell the difference between an article on a living person but without a "Death Year" category and an article on an [[cane toad|animal]] or a [[Glubbdubdrib|fictional ___location]] which would obviously not have such a category either? You would have to label all the articles on people, right? So why not put them into this category? HTH HAND —[[User:Phil Boswell|Phil]] | [[User talk:Phil Boswell|Talk]] 09:09, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
**"Delete" is not an option. There has to be an actual category, no just an absense of other categories, so that that the articles can be monitored. [[User:Kappa|Kappa]] 06:54, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
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*******In the living people category page click on the "Related Changes " link situated on the left side of the page. This will generate a page similar to "Recent Changes" but only showing changes to articles in this category. This can then be patrolled in the same way as the Recent Changes patrol. Look out especially for any edit by anons. [[User:Lumos3|Lumos3]] 13:30, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per CalJW. -- [[User:Jjjsixsix|Jjjsixsix]] <sup>([[User talk:Jjjsixsix|talk]])</sup>/<sub>([[Special:Contributions/Jjjsixsix|contribs]])</sub> <small>@</small> 05:20, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Rename'''. Very "useful" category. Rename to more invisible variant. Oh and btw. create also "Dead people", to be ironic. - [[User:Darwinek|Darwinek]] 10:25, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Oppose''' per Sean Curtin. If the goal is to make maintenance categories disappear, change the MediaWiki software to do that instead of having Category:! and Category:@, etc. --[[User:Interiot|Interiot]] 14:24, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
**A software fix is not available, that's why we are having this discussion. [[User:Kappa|Kappa]] 14:27, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Rename'''. I don't really even see the point of the category (why do admins care?), but if deletion isn't a possibility, definitely rename it to something like '''*'''.
*'''Oppose''' - Keep it simple. --[[User:Thivierr|Rob]] 18:20, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''', because what the heck is "funct", to the average reader? -- [[user:zanimum]]
**The proposal is to rename the category "*", not "funct people". That was simply the first vote, and likely a joke. [[User:EWS23|EWS23]] | [[User talk:EWS23|(Leave me a message!)]] 17:49, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
*<s>'''Oppose''' proposal to rename</s>. "Living people" is a straightforward and simple way to describe the category. "*" is not at all descriptive. I don't believe this category will clog up the list of categories for an article because the words "Living people" only takes up about the same amount of space as something like "[[:Category:1984 deaths|1984 deaths]]", and there will never be an article with both "Living people" and a deaths by year category. [[User:Q0|Q0]] 22:52, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Oppose''' -- How many people are going to look at this category and say, "Gee, this should really be named '*'?" Perhaps an "administrative category" template or something similar would work better --[[User:Fermatprime|Fermatprime]] 01:00, 26 January 2006 (UTC) (original author of vote)
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**Delete isn't an option; Jimbo runs things around here and says it stays. --[[User:Spangineer|Spangineer]] [[User talk:Spangineer|<span style="color:brown; font-size:smaller;">(háblame)</span>]] 07:36, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' Needs to be made invisible. [[User:CanadianCaesar|CanadianCaesar]] <small>[[User_talk:CanadianCaesar|The Republic Restored]]</small> 05:25, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' to * or something else small—this is administrative, and will confuse people and look weird if not renamed. --[[User:Spangineer|Spangineer]] [[User talk:Spangineer|<span style="color:brown; font-size:smaller;">(háblame)</span>]] 07:36, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
*This sounds sensible. A very populous category should have a short name. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]]|[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 10:23, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
**But * doesn't actually '''mean''' anything: it's the "universal wildcard", you might as well categorise '''all''' articles into it. What happens the next time we want to make a big category like this for administrative purposes? We have to name that one '''''[[:Category:**]]'''''? how would we ever tell the difference? HTH HAND —[[User:Phil Boswell|Phil]] | [[User talk:Phil Boswell|Talk]] 13:26, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' -- The category is meaningful when placed next to the appropriate year of birth category in an article as it provides confirmation the person is still alive. It will also provide an alphabetic list of all notable living people , a sort of global Wiki ''[[Who's Who (UK)|Whos Who]]''. This is being created to combat possibly expensive and damaging libel suites. It needs to be as plain and open as possible about its function so no coded names please. [[User:Lumos3|Lumos3]] 13:23, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
*If we wanted to hide the category it would be better to do that technically. However, I don't agree it shouldn't be hidden. Why on earth is this debate happening here? [[User:Morwen|Morwen]] - [[User_talk:Morwen|Talk]] 13:26, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' this is a kludge. Create an option in user preferences to hide this and other administrative categories. As this is not useful to ordinary readers, it should not appear on the article by default. This is not the way to accomplish that. [[User_talk:Derex|Derex]] 15:28, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Oppose''' s/w should be modified to hide it. In either event someone should create a bot so that any bios without a "died" date get tagged with the category. [[User:Carlossuarez46|Carlossuarez46]] 18:01, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Oppose''' per [[User:CrazyLegsKC|CrazyLegsKC]], [[User:K1Bond007|K1Bond007]], [[User:McPhail|McPhail]]. Would vote to delete if I could. —[[User:Caesura|Caesura]][[User talk:Caesura|<sup>(t)</sup>]] 04:27, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
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:*'''QUESTION''' OK, this is probably a dumb question, but what is an "administrative category"?--[[User:Azathar|Azathar]] 06:11, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
::*A category that is used by editors but not by users, for example cleanup and stub categories. [[User:Kappa|Kappa]] 15:50, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
*<s>'''Delete'''</s> as a category and introduce, if it is really necessary, a new kind of administrative category accessible only to administrators and not to us mere mortals. Then those who wish to use it for administrative purposes can do so to their heart's content, and it can be out of everyone else's hair. Can I point out that I have up for vote (25th January) the deletion of a '''real''' category I initiated (Wagnerites) which even those who don't like it would concede fits Wikipedia criteria rather better than this one does --[[User:Smerus|Smerus]] 09:36, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
**Please don't vote "delete", the category is undeletable and this discussion is just about the name. [[User:Kappa|Kappa]] 09:54, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' renaming. "*" is unacceptable. Thanks! [[User:Flcelloguy|Flcelloguy]] <small>([[User talk:Flcelloguy|A <span style="color:brown;">note?</span>]])</small> 23:14, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Oppose''' rename. The current category name makes more sense. In case we'll need another similar category, what will we name it, "**"? --[[User:Lbmixpro|LBMixPro]][[User talk:Lbmixpro|<sup><Sp</sup>]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<span style="color:green;"><sup>e</sup></span>]][[User talk:Lbmixpro|<sup>ak|on|it!></sup>]] 05:47, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Oppose'''; either the new name is ''totally'' invisible, or it's better being meaningful. - [[User:Paolo Liberatore|Liberatore]]([[User talk:Paolo Liberatore|T]]) 15:22, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' '''Support''' Category name "living" is silly. I would prefer deletion but a discreet symbol would be okay. Symbols are not "meaningless". People will understand them [[User:Bwithh|Bwithh]] 15:24, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' and use [[:Category:Year of death missing]], or replace 'Year of death missing' with [[:Category:Year of death not yet available]], [[:Category:Year of death not entered]] and [[:Category:Year of death not in historical records]]. Keeping it is stupid; replacing with a symbol is stupid. Do something useful like working on [[Wikipedia:Persondata]] instead. [[User:Noisy]] | [[User talk:Noisy|Talk]] 17:44, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
**I think it would be pretty creepy to look at an article on a living person and see [[:Category:Year of death missing]], but I guess it would be handy as a kind of ''[[memento mori]]''. [[User:Kappa|Kappa]] 17:49, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
***I agree, which is why I suggested the clarification of the categories. [[User:Noisy]] | [[User talk:Noisy|Talk]] 18:02, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
****Only people who are dead but their articles lack a precise year of death are and should be in that category. There are loads of people in this case. Same as the case of year of birth missing.--[[User:Vizcarra|Vizcarra]] 23:13, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
**"Delete" is not an option, by decree of Jimbo. Didn't you mean "Merge with [[:Category:Year of death missing]]"? Persondata currently can't be searched effectively. —[[User:Simetrical|Simetrical]] ([[User talk:Simetrical|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Simetrical|contribs]]) 05:37, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
***No, I meant delete, otherwise I wouldn't have typed it. Please assume good faith. [[User:Noisy]] | [[User talk:Noisy|Talk]] 15:07, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
*<s>'''Oppose''' and '''Delete''' or speedy delete</s> -- silly/unworkable category as above -- [[User:max rspct|<b style="color:#A0522D;font-family:Cartier Book;"><big>max rspct</big></b>]]<span style="font-size:x-small;"> [[User_talk:max rspct|<span style="color:Red;">leave a message</span>]] </span> 18:12, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
**Please read [[Category talk:Living people]] before you call the category worthless. It serves a narrow, technical purpose. Regardless, "delete" is not an option. —[[User:Simetrical|Simetrical]] ([[User talk:Simetrical|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Simetrical|contribs]]) 05:37, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' rename, per LBMixPro. [[User:Jareha|jareha]] 18:14, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - Would it be possible to categorize the talk pages of articles instead of the articles themselves? That way editors can be encouraged to look at the category but non-editors would not be. [[User:Q0|Q0]] 20:06, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
**The only reason (I understand) for this cat is to monitor [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Recentchangeslinked/Category:Living_people related changes] to the articles. If the cat was placed on the talk pages, we would see which talk pages have changed, but not which articles have change. --[[User:Thivierr|Rob]] 20:11, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
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**I'm not sure you understand the parameters of the vote. The question isn't whether to keep the category; this category is being put on every Wikipedia biography page, period, by decree of Jimbo. The only question is what to call it. —[[User:Simetrical|Simetrical]] ([[User talk:Simetrical|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Simetrical|contribs]]) 05:37, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Weak oppose''', current category name is clearer and hardly takes up a lot of space. [[User:Christopher Parham|Christopher Parham]] [[User talk:Christopher Parham|(talk)]] 04:18, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
*Why wouldn't we just have a category for all people that are dead, those that are disappeared, and those that have Year of death missing? <b>[[User:Rogerthat|<span style="color:darkblue;"> R</span>]][[User:Rogerthat|<span style="color:red;">o</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Rogerthat|<span style="color:darkblue;">gerthat</span>]]</b> ''[[User_talk:Rogerthat|<sup style="color:black;">Talk</sup>]]'' 06:03, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' If it exists it should have a real name. Not sure why it's not allowed for CfD, not that I particularly care either way. [[User:Grenavitar|gren]] [[User talk:Grenavitar|グレン]] <sup>[[Wikipedia:Limited administrators|?]]</sup> 06:09, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Oppose'''. The asterisk is meaningless, I think we should strive to be as clear as possible in all matters. Although, that being said, I am not sure why we need to create a category to keep tabs on what is being written on Wikipedia. There are other ways of doing this which are less intrusive to our readers. [[User:Rje|Rje]] 13:32, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
*<s>'''Just get rid of it'''</s>. Pointless, pointless, pointless. [[User:Bigdottawa|Bigdottawa]] 14:29, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
**Please read the rationale on [[Category talk:Living people]] before you assume it's pointless. It serves a narrow technical purpose and is not intended as navigation assistance. Regardless, Jimbo has decreed that it will stay, so delete votes are invalid. —[[User:Simetrical|Simetrical]] ([[User talk:Simetrical|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Simetrical|contribs]]) 05:37, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''' as an improvement, but it's still a kludge. If what we really need is a way to know all people not yet dead, we should build that into wikipedia. If we really need is invisible categories, we should build that into wikipedia. Regards, [[User talk:BenAveling|Ben Aveling]] 07:23, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
*<s>'''Speedy delete'''</s>. Silly. [[User:David Sneek|David Sneek]] 09:55, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
**Please read the rationale on [[Category talk:Living people]] before you assume it's pointless. It serves a narrow technical purpose and is not intended as navigation assistance. Regardless, Jimbo has decreed that it will stay, so delete votes are invalid. —[[User:Simetrical|Simetrical]] ([[User talk:Simetrical|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Simetrical|contribs]]) 05:37, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
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*I Agree with those who say this is insane - although not to that degree of intensity. Simply put, this is a bad idea because Category:* doesn't really make sense and doesn't really explain anything. I understand, from above discussion, that this is ''intentional'', but it's still a bad idea. Since actually deleting this category is not an option, '''vote to leave it where it is'''. -[[User:155.42.20.241|155.42.20.241]] 15:08, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Just use a template instead, e.g. [[Template:Living people]], and monitor [[Special:Recentchangeslinked/Template:Living people]]. [[User:Jhs|Jon]] [[User talk:Jhs|Harald]] [[:no:Bruker:Jhs|Søby]] 18:14, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
**You know, that's a damn good idea. Why were you the first to think of it? —[[User:Simetrical|Simetrical]] ([[User talk:Simetrical|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Simetrical|contribs]]) 05:37, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per nom. The purpose is for monitoring, not navigation. [[User:BD2412/deletion debates|<span style="background:gold;">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412/deletion debates|'''T''']] 21:05, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
*[[Image:Pinkroundsquare.png|right|100px]]'''Oppose''' renaming strongly. Not only are we proposing to subvert the main purpose of categories, but now we're trying to '''''hide''''' what we're doing by making the name of a category "*"?! Good grief. That's like trying to shove a round peg in a square hole and then painting it bright pink and drawing a smiley face on it in the hopes that nobody notices it ain't fittin' in the hole. [[User:Turnstep|Turnstep]] 01:40, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' rename, support '''deleting''' this category. - [[User:Stoph|Stoph]] 04:02, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' This is really a technical problem, and isn't amenable to a fix via social mechanisms. Jimbo wants a way to keep track of all articles on living Wikipedians. The community - much of it, at least - finds it silly to have a category called "Living people" that shows up at the bottom of many thousands of articles. What we really need is something like [[Special:Living people]] to be added to the software, either auto-populated via birth/death info or manually populated, but not showing up as a regular category. The current Wiki code just doesn't support what Jimbo wants to do very well. <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">[[User:Crotalus horridus|Crotalus horridus]] <SMALL>([[User talk:Crotalus horridus|TALK]] • [[Special:Contributions/Crotalus horridus|CONTRIBS]])</SMALL></span> 04:24, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' -- keep it as it is. I like the constant reminder that I am, in fact, alive. [[User:Adrian Lamo|Adrian Lamo]] · [[User talk:Adrian Lamo|<small>(talk)</small>]] · <small>[[Special:Emailuser/Adrian Lamo|(mail)]]</small> · 04:26, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
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**Um, you do realize that Jimbo Wales is more or less the absolute ruler of Wikipedia, and reserves the right to overrule community consensus on behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation at any time? —[[User:Simetrical|Simetrical]] ([[User talk:Simetrical|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Simetrical|contribs]]) 05:37, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. I still feel that this entire category is a a misguided and ultimately dangerous placebo cure for a serious problem, and, as a information professional, and I am profoundly unhappy at the way it essentially subverts the navigational usefulness of categories. Obscuring the title isn't going to fix that, and is only going to set a precedent for this sort of thing. I personally suggest '''deletion''', but it seems that option isn't even on the table as far as Jimbo is concerned. Ultimately, we can say that this is for administrative purposes only, but if we're putting out there in the main article namespace, we're exposing it to the public. This needs to be addressed technically: this is not a satisfactory solution, even as an interim measure. – [[User:Seancdaug|Seancdaug]] 05:18, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' name. There's no point in replacing it with indecipherable characters. It will only confuse people. —[[User:Simetrical|Simetrical]] ([[User talk:Simetrical|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Simetrical|contribs]]) 05:37, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' renaming. Why in heaven's name substitute an obfuscated name for a clear one? In the latter instance, mistakes can be caught by readers, in the latter, this is less likely. [[User:Demi|Demi]] <sup>[[User_talk:Demi|T]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Demi|C]]</sub> 06:32, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' this no-good category no matter who has vetoed said deletion. [[User:Badagnani|Badagnani]] 07:13, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Useless category. --[[User:Carnildo|Carnildo]] 08:14, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - rename instead to something that makes its intention as a WP administrative cat clearer, such as [[:Category:Watched bio]] or [[:Category:Articles about living people]]. --[[User:Whouk|Whouk]] ([[User talk:Whouk|talk]]) 08:55, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose renaming'''. Whatever the problems of this category, they won't be improved by changing its name to something meaningless. —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <small>([[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Josiah Rowe|contribs]])</small> 09:12, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename'''. Living people is a laughable category, so renaming it to * would make it less noticeable and thus less irritating. --[[User:Jannex|Jannex]] 10:40, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' --[[User:Henrygb|Henrygb]] 11:18, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - If we must have such a category, then it is much better that it should have a meaningful name. Personally I'm not convinced of its utility, but I can live with that. Having a meaningless name is just dumb. -- [[User:Chris j wood|Chris j wood]] 13:11, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Antisemitism (People)]]====
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The result of the debate was '''delete'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 13:32, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''DELETE''' - duplicate category of [[:Category:Anti-Semitic people]], it was already debated here [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2005_December_29#Category:Anti-Semitic_people 1] [[User:SirIsaacBrock|SirIsaacBrock]] 22:25, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
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*'''DELETE''' Duplicates [[:Category:Anti-Semitic people]]. Discussion is underway at that talk page about renaming that page. Suggest the discussion be conducted there as to the appropriate name for such a category and a definition that all sides of this very emotional topic can accept. Creating a new category simply skirts the hard work of achieving consensus. --[[User:CTSWyneken|CTSWyneken]] 03:20, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per above. [[User:Mushroom|Mushroom]] 03:53, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per the above. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_<
*'''Delete''' per [[User:CTSWyneken|CTSWyneken]]'s comments. If we want a category as [[User:Doright|Doright]] suggests, it would have to be something like [[:Category:People who have influenced Anti-Semitism]] or [[:Category:People whose writings have influenced Anti-Semitism]] or even (God help us) [[:Category:People whose works have been influential in the history of Antisemitism even if that was not their intention]]. [[:Category:Antisemitism (People)]] is much too vague. [[User:JHCC|JHCC]] [[User talk:JHCC | (talk)]] 21:38, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
:*'''Comment'''. Vague? Is it more vague than [[:Category:Anti-Semitism]]? Furthermore, the category introduction provides an explicit and quite precise defintion of the category. Your argument does not hold water.[[User:Doright|Doright]] 22:07, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
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::::*Well, obviously a whole lot of people think that "Antisemitism (People)" would refer to "Anti-Semitic people". If you want a category for people who are not, were not, may not be, or may not have been Anti-Semites personally but whose life/writings/work/etc influenced or inspired Anti-Semites or Anti-Semitism (and I am ''not'' saying that such a category is a bad idea), come up with a '''unambiguous''' name that does not need to be explained in a category description. "Antisemitism (people)" on the face of it could be '''''anyone''''' associated in any way with Anti-Semitism, whether supporting, opposing, inspiring, or condoning. Do you propose adding [[Jesus]] to this category? His actions (particularly his death) "play an important role in the continuing history of antisemitism". [[User:JHCC|JHCC]] [[User talk:JHCC | (talk)]] 19:07, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::*'''Reply'''. I will agree that there are obviously a whole lot of people that do not want their beloved person identified as being associated with Antisemitism in any way whatsoever. Plus there may be some that feels this category is an infringement on what they may inappropriately view as their proprietary category. Based upon your argument that such a category is ''not'' a bad idea, but is merely "ambiguously" named, why do you vote for deletion rather than renaming? Why don't you propose a better name, if one exists, and not one that is an absurd caricature of a name like you did above where you say, "''(God help us) Category:People whose works have been influential in the history of Antisemitism even if that was not their intention''"? It would certainly be a well-received good faith gesture. Frankly, since no one has come up with a better name, one might conclude that the current name may be the best name. Then, one is left with the conclusion that those advancing this argument are doing so because they do not want the category to exist by any name. Respectfully,[[User:Doright|Doright]] 21:21, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nomination. —[[User:ASDamick|<
*'''Comment'''. In general I agree with [[User:CTSWyneken]]'s arguments here. I think the creation of this Cat was premature before the discussion takes its course. The 2nd word would have to be lowercased as per [[WP:NC]]. ←[[User:Humus sapiens|Humus sapiens]] <sup>[[User talk:Humus sapiens|ну?]]</sup> 01:13, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
:*'''Comment'''. Humus, Your comment speaks volumes. Since you support the assertion that this category "duplicates" [[:Category:Anti-Semitic people]], to be logically consistent you must also accept that [[:Category:Anti-Semitic people]] "duplicates" [[:Category:Anti-Semitism]] . The fact is, as explained on the category's page that [[:Category:Anti-Semitic people]] is only a partial subset of [[:Category:Antisemitism (People)]]. This is identical to the fact that [[:Category:Anti-Semitic people]] is a subset of [:Category:Anti-Semitism]]. Since, it's clear that you will not be supporting the deletion of either of those other two categories, one is left to explain your logical inconsistency. Cheers. [[User:Doright|Doright]] 07:31, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
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:::*'''Reply'''. Wrong and misleading. "Anti-Semitism" contains (but is not limited to) "Antisemitism (people)" which contains (but is not limited to) "Anti-Semitic people." Again, not all people associated with Antisemitism were Anti-Semitic people themselves. Therefore, none is identical to the other. So, if you want to call this category a "duplicate" because some (but not all) of its members may be anti-Semites, following that "reasoning" you would have to call most WP categories "duplicates," since some but not all of their members may be contained in other categories. NB: This category has been purged of its article members which I believe is a violation of WP policy since the category deletion template explicitly says not to. [[User:Doright|Doright]] 22:22, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per JHCC. [[User_talk:Derex|Derex]] 15:30, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Norwegian photography]]====
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The result of the debate was '''keep'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 13:29, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Unnecessary category that will never be populated by more than a handful of articles. Currently it contains one article, namely [[Norwegian photography]], as well as the subcategory [[:Category:Norwegian photographers]] (there clearly is ample precedent for the latter). I don't think the topic of Norwegian photography will ever have more than one or two articles, because there seems to be very little that is distinctive about Norwegian photography, or that would set it apart from, say, Danish photography or Swedish photography. Articles about Norwegian photographers will go into [[:Category:Norwegian photographers]]; then, aside from the overview article on [[Norwegian photography]] (which is rather sparse to begin with), what else is there? --[[User:MarkSweep|MarkSweep]] <small>[[User talk:MarkSweep|(call me collect)]]</small> 21:07, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Vehemently keep''' - in fact this nomination is abusive, and [[User:MarkSweep|MarkSweep]] has absolutely no way of knowing whether it will be populated by more than a handful of articles. You've got to give editors some time to write articles, and if you'd taken the trouble of reading the articles about Norwegian photographers, you'll see that there is plenty to write about. This is ludicrous. --[[User:Leifern|Leifern]] 21:13, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
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**The category is not populated at the moment: it contains one article that is more or less redundant with the category. I personally don't see the growth potential, but if you do, please share. Also keep in mind that deletion is not permanent: if and when we see an explosion of articles that are clearly and unmistakably appropriate for this category, we can recreate it. This said, I don't see that it has a distinctive purpose. We don't have [[:Category:Swedish photography]] or [[:Category:Norwegian electrical engineering]] either, and for good reasons. --[[User:MarkSweep|MarkSweep]] <small>[[User talk:MarkSweep|(call me collect)]]</small> 20:48, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
:::For all I know, there will be a category about Swedish photography in the future if someone makes the effort to start it - this applies to any body of knowledge within Wikipedia. Photography, by the way, is an art form much like painting, composition, etc., is. --[[User:Leifern|Leifern]] 00:31, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Upmerge & delete''', overcat. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_<
:On what basis? Your expertise on the vastness of knowledge about Norwegian photography? --[[User:Leifern|Leifern]] 20:18, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
::You seem to assume that a detailed knowledge of Norwegian photography is a prerequisite for voting here. This is not the case. Rather, a basic familiarity with Wikipedia style guidelines, policies, and precedents is expected. --[[User:MarkSweep|MarkSweep]] <small>[[User talk:MarkSweep|(call me collect)]]</small> 20:43, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Keep''' Appropriate as a ''works by nationality'' category. Even if the number of articles remains small, it is worthy to remain. [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh]] 22:26, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Seems useful, don't see the problem. On a side note take a gander at the subcate to[[:Category:Racecar drivers from Liechtenstein]] called [[:Category:Formula One drivers from Liechtenstein]] to get a sense of an odd "by nationality" category. The subcat has only name and it's also the only name in the main category.--[[User:T. Anthony|T. Anthony]] 13:33, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
'''Note from closing admin''' - Wikipedia is [[WP:NOT]] a crystal ball, and as such this category should be deleted. I better go make a category on Underwater Eastern Germanic toad wrangling because I suspect someone will populate it someday. However, the consensus was to keep so I kept it. --[[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 13:29, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Lute players]] to [[:Category:Lutenists]]====
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The result of the debate was '''rename'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 13:24, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
The Lutenists category predates the Lute players category, and lutenist is the term used consistently throughout the [[Lute]] article. [[User:Aitch Eye|Aitch Eye]] 18:28, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' It's the normal term. [[User:Osomec|Osomec]] 02:10, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*It is? (boggle) Hm, google concurs with you. '''Rename'''. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_<
*'''Rename''', completely sensible--[[User:Smerus|Smerus]] 23:18, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Controversial Films]]====
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The result of the debate was '''delete'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 13:18, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Nominated for speedy recapitalisation by [[User:Longhair|Longhair]] earlier today but [[User:Valiantis|Valiantis]] pointed out that it is a recreation of a recently deleted category and suggested deletion. [[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005_December_26#Category:Controversial films]]. Point of view. '''Speedy delete'''. [[User:CalJW|CalJW]] 17:21, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. POV. Recreation of recently deleted cat. [[User:Valiantis|Valiantis]] 18:56, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Speedy'''--[[User:Petaholmes|nixie]] 05:23, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
* '''Keep''' [[User:DeansFA|DeansFA]] 17:15, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''SD''' as recreation, inherent POV and systemic bias. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_<
*'''Speedy delete'''. User who recreated it should be blocked. - [[User:Darwinek|Darwinek]] 10:26, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as proposed. Is the capital F an attempt to evade the recreation radar? It has that guilty look about it. [[User:Bhoeble|Bhoeble]] 12:10, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Speedy delete''' as per above. Also not much of a worthwile category to begin with. [[User:Zookman12|Zookman12]] 05:58, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per above. [[User:Carlossuarez46|Carlossuarez46]] 22:10, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per all above. I hope the information can be saved and put into a list. With text and citations this POV subject could be made into an interesting NPOV article about what makes films controversial and a historic overview of films that have been controversial. A category does none of this, so delete. -- [[User:SamuelWantman|Samuel Wantman]] 09:28, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:U.S. Representatives from Puerto Rico]]====
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The result of the debate was '''delete, since cat is empty. if BD2412 or others decide new name, feel free to create a new cat and populate'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 13:15, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Should be [[:Category:Resident Commissioners of Puerto Rico]]. —''[[User_talk:Markles|Mark Adler <small>(markles)</small>]]'' 17:18, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*<s>'''Support'''. [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] 00:04, 24 January 2006 (UTC)</s>
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*In looking at this again, it seems that this is one piece in a naming issues for three populated categories. We really need to decide which one is correct. We have [[:Category:United States Representatives from American Samoa]], [[:Category:Resident Commissioners of Puerto Rico]] and [[:Category:U.S. Delegates from the Virgin Islands]] and I'm not sure which is the right choice, maybe all three are correct. I am going to support '''Delete''' of the empty category above since it is not the correct name (U.S. vs United States). Then we can decide on how to deal with the three categories that have articles and rename as required. [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] 22:27, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Currently there is no one listed, but I would think that U.S. Representatives from Puerto Rico differs from people representing Puerto Rico in the U.S. Congress. A person born in Puerto Rico is a U.S. citizen; he or she may move to any state and be elected to the House. He or she is then a U.S. Representative from Puerto Rico. Is there one? Are there enough to make a category? dunno... [[User:Carlossuarez46|Carlossuarez46]] 22:09, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - Puerto Rico uses a different designation than other territories (and their representative is elected to a 4-year term, rather than for 2 years). I'll look it up when I have the appropriate references available, but they are inherently notable and should have a category that matches the title. [[User:
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====[[:Category:Scouting and Guiding members]] to [[:Category:Scouting Wikipedians]]====
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The result of the debate was '''rename, tho this has apparently been done already out of process'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 13:11, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Per the [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scouting and Guiding members|misplaced and orphaned afd]]. Target category has already been created and populated. Neutral. —[[User:Cryptic|Cryptic]] [[User talk:Cryptic|(talk)]] 15:33, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:The Velvet Revolver albums]]====
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The result of the debate was '''delete'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 13:09, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
The correct name of the band is [[Velvet Revolver]], not The Velvet Revolver, and the one album at that category has been moved to [[:Category:Velvet Revolver albums]]. --[[User:GVOLTT|G VOLTT]] 14:53, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' [[User:Sumahoy|Sumahoy]] 03:54, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Mushroom|Mushroom]] 21:36, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. [[User:MaTrIx|MaTrIx]]
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====[[:Category:Dallas Texans (1960s) players]]====
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The result of the debate was '''delete'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 13:08, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
This category has been completely replaced by the newer [[:Category:Dallas Texans (AFL) players]], which matches all of its new peers in [[:Category:American Football League players by team]]. '''''×'''''[[User:Meegs|Meegs]] 11:07, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support'''.--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 01:56, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' this "(1960s)" version per nominator. "(AFL)" version contains good disambiguation for this special case, and its naming matches similar articles. [[User:Barno|Barno]] 02:09, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''', per Barno. [[User:Jareha|jareha]] 18:45, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Brooklyn Dodgers (football) players]] to [[:Category:Brooklyn Dodgers (NFL) players]]====
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The result of the debate was '''rename'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 13:07, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Previously this category serviced two unrelated American football teams, the [[Brooklyn Dodgers (NFL)]] and the [[Brooklyn Dodgers (AAFC)]]. All the players for the latter team are now in their own category, [[:Category:Brooklyn Dodgers (AAFC) players]]. '''''×'''''[[User:Meegs|Meegs]] 10:44, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support'''.--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 01:57, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*I support the proposed '''rename'''. Nominator's reason is appropriate. [[User:Barno|Barno]] 02:11, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Transportation of New Orleans]] to [[:Category:Transportation in New Orleans]]====
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The result of the debate was '''rename'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 13:06, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
'''Rename''' to match parent and siblings. [[User:Choalbaton|Choalbaton]] 08:02, 23 January 2006 (UTC).
*'''Rename''' per nom. - [[User:EurekaLott|EurekaLott]] 00:59, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per nom., consistent with policy [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh]]
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====[[:Category:Defunct U.S. state constitutions]] to [[:Category:Defunct United States state constitutions]]====
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The result of the debate was '''rename with mod'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 13:05, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Moved from speedy after comments - [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] 07:02, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I prefer [[:Category:Defunct state constitutions of the United States]]. [[User:Choalbaton|Choalbaton]] 03:40, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''' [[:Category:Defunct state constitutions of the United States]]. [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] 20:35, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''' [[:Category:Defunct state constitutions of the United States]]. [[User:Sumahoy|Sumahoy]] 03:51, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' [[:Category:Defunct state constitutions of the United States]] per [[User:Choalbaton|Choalbaton]]. [[User:
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====[[:Category:U.S. state parks]] to [[:Category:United States state parks]]====
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The result of the debate was '''rename with mod'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 13:04, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Moved from speedy after comments - [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] 06:56, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support.''' see my note above regarding [[:Category:State supreme court judges in the United States]]. —''[[User_talk:Markles|Mark Adler <small>(markles)</small>]]'' 18:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I prefer [[:Category:State parks of the United States]]. [[User:Choalbaton|Choalbaton]] 03:40, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*<s>'''Support''' [[:Category:State parks of the United States]]. [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] 20:36, 23 January 2006 (UTC)</s>
*Per Choalbaton. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_<
*'''Rename''' [[:Category:State parks in the United States]] as [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories)#Man-made objects|official naming convention policy]] lists parks as being ''... in country'' format. [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh]] 22:31, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' [[:Category:State parks in the United States]] per [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh]]. [[User:
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====[[:Category:U.S. state forests]] to [[:Category:United States state forests]]====
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The result of the debate was '''rename'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 13:03, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Moved from speedy after comments - [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] 06:56, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support.''' see my note above regarding [[:Category:State supreme court judges in the United States]]. —''[[User_talk:Markles|Mark Adler <small>(markles)</small>]]'' 18:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Support''' [[:Category:State forests of the United States]]. [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] 20:39, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''' [[:Category:State forests of the United States]]. [[User:Sumahoy|Sumahoy]] 03:51, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' [[:Category:State forests of the United States]] per [[User:Choalbaton|Choalbaton]]. [[User:
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====[[:Category:U.S. State court systems]] to [[:Category:United States state court systems]]====
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The result of the debate was '''rename with modification'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 13:02, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Moved from speedy after comments - [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] 06:56, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support.''' see my note above regarding [[:Category:State supreme court judges in the United States]]. —''[[User_talk:Markles|Mark Adler <small>(markles)</small>]]'' 18:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Support''' [[:Category:State court systems of the United States]]. [[User:Sumahoy|Sumahoy]] 03:52, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*I '''oppose''' the original proposal because I prefer the later suggestion [[:Category:State court systems of the United States]]. [[User:Barno|Barno]] 02:14, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' to [[:Category:State court systems of the United States]] per [[User:Choalbaton|Choalbaton]]. [[User:
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====[[:Category:U.S. state constitutions]] to [[:Category:United States state constitutions]]====
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The result of the debate was '''rename with modification'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 13:01, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Moved from speedy after comments - [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] 06:56, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support.''' see my note above regarding [[:Category:State supreme court judges in the United States]]. —''[[User_talk:Markles|Mark Adler <small>(markles)</small>]]'' 18:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I prefer [[:Category:State constitutions of the United States]]. [[User:Choalbaton|Choalbaton]] 03:40, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' [[:Category:State constitutions of the United States]] to avoid having state and states adjacent. [[User:Sumahoy|Sumahoy]] 03:53, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' [[:Category:State constitutions of the United States]], per above. [[User:
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====[[:Category:Northern Ireland music venues]] to [[:Category:Music venues in Northern Ireland]]====
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The result of the debate was '''rename'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 13:00, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
'''Rename''' to match parent. [[User:Choalbaton|Choalbaton]] 06:16, 23 January 2006 (UTC).
*'''rename''' as per nom. [[User:CalJW|CalJW]] 22:55, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Schools in Conservative Judaism]]====
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The result of the debate was '''rename to Conservative Jewish schools'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 12:59, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
'''Rename''' category to --> [[:Conservative Judaism schools]] similar to [[:Category:Jewish schools]]; [[:Category:Chabad schools]]; [[:Category:Orthodox yeshivas]] and [[:Category:Jewish seminaries]]. This will keep things consistent. Thank you. [[User:IZAK|IZAK]] 05:11, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' to [[:Conservative Jewish schools]] for parallelism. Conservative Judaism is a noun, Orthodox is an adjective, Chabad is usually a noun but can be either, Jewish is an adjective. [[User:Example|Deborah-jl]] <sub>[[User talk:Deborah-jl|Talk]]</sub> 17:29, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
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****'''Comment''': As discussed on the category's [[Talk:|talk page]], I dislike the current title (though I came up with it), but I don't like ''Conservative Judaism Schools'' better, because it's awkward English - it either needs an adjective or a preposition or a verb construct to be meaningful. The long version would be [[Schools associated with Conservative Judaism]], but that may be wordy, not to mention [[Educational Institutions associated with Conservative Judaism]]. [[Conservative Jewish schools]] is, I agree, a misnomer, because one might think that it means conservative with a lower-case "c," which is a subjective term. --[[User:Leifern|Leifern]] 02:01, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per Deborah-jl's suggestion. - [[User:EurekaLott|EurekaLott]] 01:24, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Firefly planets]]====
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The result of the debate was '''delete'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 12:54, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Category was recently emptied and blanked. - [[User:EurekaLott|EurekaLott]] 04:17, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''rename''' [[User:Sumahoy|Sumahoy]] 03:53, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
**To what exactly? If it's empty, delete it. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_<
*'''Delete''' [[User:Bhoeble|Bhoeble]] 12:13, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Churches of North America]] to [[:Category:Christian denominations of North America]]====
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The result of the debate was '''rename per nom'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 12:53, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
This category takes "churches" to refer to denominations, whereas the rest of the churches hierarchy is for church buildings. '''Rename''' to remove unnecessary confusion. Also probably needs to be subdivided by country. I've tidied [[:Category:Religion in the United States]] a little, but that only makes it look more likely that it is far from being fully populated. [[User:Choalbaton|Choalbaton]] 02:28, 23 January 2006 (UTC).
*'''Support''' per nomination, plus to match parent [[:Category:Christian denominations]]. '''''×'''''[[User:Meegs|Meegs]] 11:58, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Spelling error in denomination
::I fixed the spelling here and on the article's tag '''''×'''''[[User:Meegs|Meegs]] 12:06, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
*change to '''Support''' denomination is separate from churches - there is already a [[:Category:Churches in the United States]], Canada, Mexico -- [[User:Paul foord|Paul foord]] 11:22, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
**Originally support, but '''Oppose''' create new category - use current for churches etc. -- [[User:Paul foord|Paul foord]] 03:25, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
::If you are talking about church buildings, there's already [[:Category:Churches in the United States]], [[:Category:Churches in Mexico]], etc. '''''×'''''[[User:Meegs|Meegs]] 03:25, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''' -- The term "church" can mean denomination (Reformed Church in America), a congregation (The Marble Collegiate Church in New York), or the building (Marble Collegiate Church as architectural site). The category should be specific enough not to need disambiguation itself.
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====[[:Category:Religious sites in Singapore]] to [[:Category:Places of worship in Singapore]]====
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The result of the debate was '''rename'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 12:50, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
'''Rename''' to match the other subcats of [[:Category:Places of worship by country]]. [[User:Choalbaton|Choalbaton]] 02:18, 23 January 2006 (UTC).
*'''Rename to [[:Category:Religious buildings in Singapore]]'''. Not all religious buildings are places of worship. - [[User:Choster|choster]] 06:36, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
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***Nothing in this particular category at present, but a monastery or convent, for instance, is a place of religious living, not of worship per se. - [[User:Choster|choster]] 21:45, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
**Strict speaking, a religious site is not neccesary a place of worship. Sites of religious significance are not neccesarily buildings, for entire cities can be religious sites too. While this category in question may not include such sites yet, I would still think the distinction need to be explained.--[[User:Huaiwei|Huaiwei]] 14:21, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
---'''Note from closing admin''' - I have put a note in the category that says it shouldn't be used for religious sites. There is one muslim shrine in the category I believe, but the goal in this rename is to make the categorization standard. The subcats are "buddhist temples" and "mosques" and "churches", which look to me like places of worship and not religious sites. --[[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 12:50, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Religion by state]] to [[:Category:Religion in the United States by state]]====
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The result of the debate was '''rename'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 12:45, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Another example of an American user forgetting to take into account the existence of the rest of the world. '''Rename'''. [[User:Choalbaton|Choalbaton]] 02:03, 23 January 2006 (UTC).
*'''Rename''' per nominator. --[[User:Vizcarra|Vizcarra]] 22:55, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per nominator. [[User:CalJW|CalJW]] 22:56, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per nom. [[User:
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====[[:Category:Real World Cast Members]] to [[:Category:The Real World cast members]]====
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The result of the debate was '''rename'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 12:45, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Simple capitalization/reformatting issue. --[[User:FuriousFreddy|FuriousFreddy]] 01:23, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Speedy''' -- [[User:SamuelWantman|Samuel Wantman]] 01:29, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Speedy''' I was afraid it was going to be deleted as nn -- [[User:170.35.208.22|170.35.208.22]] 22:27, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Baseball by country]] to [[:Category:Baseball outside the United States]]====
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The result of the debate was '''keep'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 12:43, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
This is a follow up to the nomination below. I am not American and this is a practical suggestion based on [[:Category:Australian rules football outside Australia]]. [[:Category:Baseball in the United States]] cannot be populated accurately with making many edits to divide all the categories into between the vast amount of U.S. info and the small amount of non-U.S. info, and I don't think that would be a good idea because it would still leave most of the general articles in limbo as they are mainly about the U.S. but not always entirely so. Thus [[:Category:Baseball]] is a better place to find out about "Baseball in the United States" than [[:Category:Baseball in the United States]] could ever be, and if there is to be no U.S. category as I recommend it will be appropriate to '''rename''' this [[:Category:Baseball outside the United States]]. [[User:Choalbaton|Choalbaton]] 00:41, 23 January 2006 (UTC).
:'''Comment''' See my comments below. However, leaving these aside, it would appear baseball is organised on a North American-wide basis with Canadian teams (or it may be '''a''' Canadian team) involved in the same leagues as the US ones. In which case the name [[:Category:Baseball outside North America]] might be preferable. (I make no claim to any knowledge of baseball. Is it like [[rounders]]? :-) ) [[User:Valiantis|Valiantis]] 05:59, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
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* '''Oppose''' [[User:DeansFA|DeansFA]] 17:12, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Even if [[:Category:Baseball in the United States]] has a hundred times as many articles as any other country, it would still be appropriate to fit within the ''in country'' standard as per [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories)#Sport|naming convention policy]], which specifically lists ''baseball''. Sub-categorize the U.S. if the category is too big. [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh]] 23:07, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Baseball in the United States]]====
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The result of the debate was '''no consensus, keep'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 12:42, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
There just isn't enough point. Set up over 2 months ago and populated with a tiny fraction of the relevant content. I looked into populating it, but apart from [[:Category:Baseball by country]] every single subcategory of [[:Category:Baseball]] (which used to be a subcategory of [[:Category:Sports in the United States]] and which I will reinstate) is mainly about American baseball. I'm not an American and this isn't an American arrogance thing, just practical. [[:Category:Australian rules football]] is directly in the Australian sport category, with a subcategory called [[:Category:Australian rules football outside Australia]]. With basketball there is enough non-U.S. material for it to make sense to have a U.S. subcategory, but I just don't think it helps to have one for baseball. I will add a note to basketball by country directing people to the main category. On a practical point, even if this were to be populated once, American baseball fans will probably mostly go direct to [[:category:Baseball]] so it is unlikely this would be adequately maintained. [[User:Choalbaton|Choalbaton]] 00:12, 23 January 2006 (UTC).
*'''Delete''' [[User:Choalbaton|Choalbaton]] 00:12, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Keep''' and populate, as it is consistent with naming policy for baseball categories. There are likely many articles that relate particularly to baseball in the U.S. [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh]] 23:10, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' Set up by an Englishman and no one over here out of about a hundred million baseball fans has added anything to it. I'm an American baseball fan, and I can tell you, chances are no American will. Therefore useless. [[User:Golfcam|Golfcam]] 05:16, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Minor league baseball stars]] to [[:Category:Minor league baseball players]]====
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The result of the debate was '''rename as nominated'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 12:40, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
"Stars" is subjective and not the way things are done. '''Rename''' [[:Category:Minor league baseball players]] [[User:Choalbaton|Choalbaton]] 00:01, 23 January 2006 (UTC).
*'''Oppose'''. I agree that the category could be named better, but the proposed renaming would mean that nearly every Major League Baseball player should be added to the category.
**It's for '''''Minor''''' league players. Not that it would be any less pov if it was for major league players. [[User:Choalbaton|Choalbaton]] 06:53, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
***I think EurekaLott's point is that most other categories for sports teams and leagues are not limited to current players (e.g. [[:Category:Detroit Tigers players]]). A category limited to current minor league players should probably have a name to match, since it breaks this convention. I'm not sure such a category is such a good idea, though, as its membership would be highly transitory.'''''×'''''[[User:Meegs|Meegs]] 11:19, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Rename''' to '''''Current Minor League Players''''' and root out as the players progress. In agreement with EurekaLott that just ''Minor League Players'' would result in every baseball player having to be added. -- [[User:Jjjsixsix|Jjjsixsix]] <sup>([[User talk:Jjjsixsix|talk]])</sup>/<sub>([[Special:Contributions/Jjjsixsix|contribs]])</sub> <small>@</small> 06:59, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nom. ''Current'' is an unnecessary qualifier unless we are also going to create categories for historical players. If it is a problem, a note can be added that players who only touched down on their way through to the majors need not be put in the minors category. [[User:Joshbaumgartner|Josh]] 23:14, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
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