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While we do have a global account locking system, I've discovered a way that ''local'' account locking can sorta be implemented. For technical details, see [[:mw:User:Jasper Deng/Account locking]]. This would be very effective for fighting (LTA) socks, especially when a steward isn't immediately available to lock the accounts.--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] ([[User talk:Jasper Deng|talk]]) 23:53, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

:Whilst this looks to be some interesting code and possible feature, the main reason that global account locking is done is for that exact purpose - to stop LTAs using their SUL account across multiple wikis and vandalising on all of them. Would I be correct in saying that this local account lock would stop them from only being able to login on that particular wiki? If so, then blocking would usually suffice. [[User:Thehelpfulone|<fontspan colorstyle="color:red">'''The'''</fontspan>]] [[User_talk:Thehelpfulone|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black"> '''Helpful'''</fontspan>]] [[Special:Contributions/Thehelpfulone|<fontspan colorstyle="color:red"> '''One'''</fontspan>]] 00:26, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

::It's just a stopgap measure that can be used ''before a steward is available to lock the account''.[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] ([[User talk:Jasper Deng|talk]]) 00:32, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

:::Okay, so it's effectively the same as a local block (but a little bit stronger)? [[User:Thehelpfulone|<fontspan colorstyle="color:red">'''The'''</fontspan>]] [[User_talk:Thehelpfulone|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black"> '''Helpful'''</fontspan>]] [[Special:Contributions/Thehelpfulone|<fontspan colorstyle="color:red"> '''One'''</fontspan>]] 00:35, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

::::Yeah, with the added effect of disallowing things like DDOS-via-preferences/purge. The setup I have is basically the same as the hardest-possible-block (sans autoblock) with the added effect of not allowing even the reading of ''any'' pages.--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] ([[User talk:Jasper Deng|talk]]) 00:40, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

:::::You don't need to be logged in to read pages on the majority of our wikis? [[User:Thehelpfulone|<fontspan colorstyle="color:red">'''The'''</fontspan>]] [[User_talk:Thehelpfulone|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black"> '''Helpful'''</fontspan>]] [[Special:Contributions/Thehelpfulone|<fontspan colorstyle="color:red"> '''One'''</fontspan>]] 00:42, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

::::::The special pages are the ones I was after with that.--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] ([[User talk:Jasper Deng|talk]]) 00:43, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

:I guess what THO is getting at, which I sort of agree with, is that I don't particularly see a use-case for this. Especially since it would be for just one wiki. [[User:Killiondude|Killiondude]] ([[User talk:Killiondude|talk]]) 01:00, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

::Well, then again, it does have its uses. One use could be that if this happens on 2/3 or more wikis, a steward bot could automatically lock the account globally.--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] ([[User talk:Jasper Deng|talk]]) 01:06, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

:::Bots and locking accounts globally doesn't sound like a good idea, there's too much potential for false positives and disruption if the script breaks. There are usually enough stewards on for someone to respond relatively quickly from my experiences on IRC. [[User:Thehelpfulone|<fontspan colorstyle="color:red">'''The'''</fontspan>]] [[User_talk:Thehelpfulone|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black"> '''Helpful'''</fontspan>]] [[Special:Contributions/Thehelpfulone|<fontspan colorstyle="color:red"> '''One'''</fontspan>]] 01:25, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

::::...but many local sysops don't use IRC.--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] ([[User talk:Jasper Deng|talk]]) 01:29, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

:A solution in search of a problem, stewards are available quickly in #wikimedia-stewards, anybody can join there thru the webchat. If there are no stewards, then we should elect more, but I don't see that as being the case currently. <i><b>[[User:Snowolf|<font color = "darkmagenta">Snowolf</font>]] ^{<small>[[User talk:Snowolf|<font color = "darkmagenta">How can I help?</font>]]</small>}</b></i> 02:56, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

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1000 free accounts are available from the internet research database HighBeam Research. HighBeam has full versions of tens of millions of newspaper articles and journals and should be a big help in adding reliable sources--especially older and paywalled ones--into the encyclopedia. Sign-ups require a 1-year old account with 1000 edits. Here's the link to the project page: [[EN:WP:HighBeam|WP:HighBeam]] (account sign-ups are linked in the box on the right). Sign-up! And, please tell your Wikipedia-friends about the opportunity! Cheers, [[User talk:Ocaasi|Ocaasi]] ([[User talk:Ocaasi|talk]]) 13:57, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

== GedawyBot's edits on sl.wikiversity ==

Why aren't [[:sl:v:Posebno:Prispevki/GedawyBot|GedawyBot's edits]] being flagged as bot edits on sl.wikiversity? See the [[:sl:v:Special:RecentChanges|recent changes]] on that new project. [[User:Mathonius|Mathonius]] ([[User talk:Mathonius|talk]]) 04:13, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

: I already made [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steward_requests%2FBot_status&diff=3639068&oldid=3637377 a request] for bot status.--<span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS; font-size: 12px; text-shadow: silver 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em;">'''[[User:محمد الجداوي|<font color="#003882">'''M.Gedawy''']]'''</span> ^{<font face="Tahoma" size="1">'''[[User talk:محمد الجداوي|<font color="#fb139e">'''Talk''']]'''</font>} 04:19, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

::Oh, I didn't have that page on my watchlist (until now). Thanks! [[User:Mathonius|Mathonius]] ([[User talk:Mathonius|talk]]) 04:29, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

== Proposal about Meta-Wiki's future ==

Hi. Please see [[Wikimedia.org]] and [[mailarchive:wikimedia-l/2012-April/119713.html]]. [[User:Killiondude|Killiondude]] ([[User talk:Killiondude|talk]]) 06:32, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

== IPv6-related RFC on enwiki ==

I'd like a few opinions at [[:en:User talk:Jasper Deng/IPv6]] which is within the scope of the [[IPv6 initiative]].--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] ([[User talk:Jasper Deng|talk]]) 01:43, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

== Help you can give please? ==

No understanding given by user rude is English Wiki HELP DESK on. {{unsigned|Fuzzy butternut}}

:What is your question? How can we help you? [[User:Mathonius|Mathonius]] ([[User talk:Mathonius|talk]]) 15:17, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

== [[Special:AbuseFilter/7]] ==

Hi. I disabled [[Special:AbuseFilter/7]] just now. The reasoning for doing so can be found here: [[Special:AbuseFilter/history/7/diff/prev/342]] (admin-only link, I think). Please fix the filter before re-enabling it. :-) --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] ([[User talk:MZMcBride|talk]]) 22:21, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

:Link isn't admin-only. <i><b>[[User:Snowolf|<font color = "darkmagenta">Snowolf</font>]] ^{<small>[[User talk:Snowolf|<font color = "darkmagenta">How can I help?</font>]]</small>}</b></i> 22:24, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

:::It is possible to make an exception for the case when a user edits his/her own page. [[User:Ruslik0|Ruslik]] ([[User talk:Ruslik0|talk]]) 17:57, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

::::Completely disabling is problematic, and to me it is not particularly helpful when one looks at the low false positives and the amount that it does catch. I have put the filter to warn and tag, but not reject, until someone has updated it. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''<span style="font-size:90%;">[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]</span>'' 01:29, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

:::::I have updated, and hopefully successfully, to get it to ignore each contributors' own pages. I did have troubles successfully testing through tripping other similar filters, and it is probably worthwhile looking to amalgamate or specifically separating any overlap in the filters by someone more clueful than me. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''<span style="font-size:90%;">[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]</span>'' 02:29, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

== Transfer to Mediawiki.org ==

Last year [[:Category:Pages to be exported to MediaWiki.org]] was [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Pages_to_be_exported_to_MediaWiki.org&diff=2675238&oldid=2343216 tagged historical]. But the category isn't empty, the transfer process doesn't seem complete, and [[Meta:MetaProject to transfer content to MediaWiki.org]] doesn't know about this "historical" status. What's happening here? [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] ([[User talk:Rd232|talk]]) 09:52, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

:The WikiProject never ends, so to say, because what we want to move may change with time (see the recent move of PWB documentation). Perhaps the category was marked historical to signify that the main backlog has been cleared (the remaining pages have been rejected, as far as I can see). --[[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 10:45, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

::Well, I would expect the category to be empty if it's no longer in use. Items that have been rejected should not be in it... (not that I can see why they have been rejected for moving, if they have been). [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] ([[User talk:Rd232|talk]]) 20:22, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

== Talk:Global_bans#Ratification ==

Please see [[Talk:Global_bans#Ratification]] for a suggested ratification process. Thanks. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] ([[User talk:Rd232|talk]]) 20:21, 24 April 2012 (UTC)