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I´d like to add something to "Constitutive vs. Induced Defense"

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"Why these defenses are inducible rather than constitutive?"

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By "choosing" induced defense over constitutive defense, the plant will only allocate resources to defense that originally were supposed to go to growing, flowering (...), when strictly necessary, rather then allocating every time a part of the resources to constitutive defence. The disadvantage of induced defence is that it requires a certain period of time to take place after the attack begins. Depending on this period, the plant can be in risk while waiting for the substances to be synthesized and transported.

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In sum, the reliability of the INDUCED DEFENCE will depend on the plant´s chance of being attacked by herbivores and the time duration between the attack and the defense response.

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As a general rule, the type of defense depends on the cost-benefit relatioship. To better understand the cost-benefit relationship we must consider the Optimal Defense Theory (that is further metioned), which is based on three factors:

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1 - All plant defence has a cost, and resources used for plant defence cannot be used to others functions (as growing, flowering, seeding) at one time;

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==Some reconciling?==

2 - The impact of a plant´s tissue loss depends on the significance of the affected plant tissue in a specific phenophase,physiological stage of development(exemple: During flowering phenophase, the most important part of the plant would be the flower);

[[Inducible plant defenses against herbivory]] and [[antifeedant]] overlap heavily with this article. Probably some redistribution of content is needed.--[[User:Smokefoot|Smokefoot]] ([[User talk:Smokefoot|talk]]) 02:45, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

:At least in terms of titles, inducible defenses and this article would be one and the same usually in terms of how the overall subject of plant resistance is typically treated. Not sure where else antifeedant compounds would fit in with other articles or this on, but that could more easily have its own article. What is already included at [[Plant_defense_against_herbivory#Antiherbivory_compounds]] works really well here though, so I wouldn't necessarily [[WP:SPLIT]] it out over to antifeedant either. [[User:KoA|KoA]] ([[User talk:KoA|talk]]) 03:03, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

::Well, inducible defences is a section of this article, so the article on that is a subsidiary of the "main" link type; could say the same of antifeedant; while mechanical defences and camouflage are subtopics that are not parts of those other two, so this article is clearly the parent of all four topics and inevitably overlaps with all of them. We might consider cutting down on this article's coverage of its constituent subtopics, making sure it summarised all of their main points concisely, but merges and splits are totally inappropriate here. [[User:Chiswick Chap|Chiswick Chap]] ([[User talk:Chiswick Chap|talk]]) 04:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

== GA concerns ==

3 - Some parts and tissues of plants has a greater chance to be attacked by herbivores than others (it reffers to the Apparency Theory).

I am concerned that this article no longer meets the [[WP:GA?|good article criteria]] because there are unreferenced sections and paragraphs. There is also a large "Further reading" section that should be evaluated to see if it can be included as inline citations or if it should be removed. Is anyone interested in fixing up this article, or should it go to [[WP:GAR]]? [[User:Z1720|Z1720]] ([[User talk:Z1720|talk]]) 20:45, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

So, we can assume that, the type of defense will be ruled by the plant´s chance of being attacked by herbivores, the physiological stage of development of the plant and the plant strategy to allocate resources.

: Completed a pass through the article, with light copy-edit. Seemingly-uncited materials all fixed, either by removal or by citation. I've cleaned up the Further reading section; the short list of half a dozen textbooks that remains seems entirely reasonable for this sort of topic. [[User:Chiswick Chap|Chiswick Chap]] ([[User talk:Chiswick Chap|talk]]) 22:24, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

::My concerns have been addressed and resolved. [[User:Z1720|Z1720]] ([[User talk:Z1720|talk]]) 15:47, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

:::Many thanks. [[User:Chiswick Chap|Chiswick Chap]] ([[User talk:Chiswick Chap|talk]]) 15:59, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

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