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It's clear that her partner is a woman from both the category "lesbian artists" and the fact that Tuulikki Pietilä inspired a female character in the Moomin books; but since the name isn't obviously female to a non Finnish reader there could be some confusion.

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==Did you know nomination==

I know it doesn't really matter, but the article might as well state her sexual orientation clearly. --[[User:Starwed|Starwed]] 06:33, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

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== Copyvio issue ==

:Good point, I'll try and track down a reference and then I'll add it. Might take me a few days though. [[User:Steve block|Steve block]] [[User talk:Steve block|talk]] 10:21, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

@[[User:Chiswick Chap|Chiswick Chap]], @[[User:Zeromonk|Zeromonk]] - see [https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&oldid=1197917715&action=compare&url=http%3A%2F%2Fizabellascott.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F05%2FSo-It-Goes_The-Party.pdf this Earwig link]. Appears to be a pretty straightforward copyvio issue to me. Please promptly fix it and I will revdel the versions with the copyrighted text. If this isn't fixed, the hook will have to be pulled from DYK, unfortunately. —[[User:Ganesha811|Ganesha811]] ([[User talk:Ganesha811|talk]]) 23:54, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

I agree...I read this article and I was thinking, "life partner..." does that mean she was, really, romantically/sexually involved with this person Tuulikki? It's unclear from the article as it stands.--[[User:Zaorish|Zaorish]] 04:07, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

: @[[User:Ganesha811|Ganesha811]], @[[User:Zeromonk|Zeromonk]] - fixed. [[User:Chiswick Chap|Chiswick Chap]] ([[User talk:Chiswick Chap|talk]]) 08:15, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

:: {{ping|Ganesha811}} it appears this has been done as per [https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Tove+Jansson&oldid=&use_engine=0&use_links=0&turnitin=0&action=compare&url=http%3A%2F%2Fizabellascott.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F05%2FSo-It-Goes_The-Party.pdf this Earwig link].[[User:Zeromonk|Zeromonk]] ([[User talk:Zeromonk|talk]]) 10:35, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

===Sourcing===

:::Great, thanks for your quick fix. Should be all set for DYK now. —[[User:Ganesha811|Ganesha811]] ([[User talk:Ganesha811|talk]]) 13:30, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

I forgot all about this, sorry, thanks for the prod, Zaorish. It's citable that she had a female lifelong companion, [http://books.guardian.co.uk/reviews/generalfiction/0,6121,996302,00.html], [http://www.scandinavica.com/culture/famous/jansson.htm], [http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20010628/ai_n14399465], [http://www.guardian.co.uk/obituaries/story/0,3604,514757,00.html], that they were girlfriends, [http://www.nlff.co.uk/sidecinema.html], [http://www.llgff.org.uk/films_details.php?FilmID=193] and the British Film Institute describe her as a lesbian in this pdf press release [http://www.bfi.org.uk/about/media/releases/2004/2004-03-12-llgff-women.pdf]. I think there's enough sources there to support it. I would add it appears it was something of a secret, albeit perhaps an open one, in Finalnd: [http://joi.ito.com/archives/2003/12/01/elk_moomin_and_ice_breakers.html], but I can't cite a better source for that as yet.

*I think the way the article reads reflects the sources pretty well, if you ask me. [[User:Steve block|Steve block]] [[User talk:Steve block|talk]] 10:37, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

===The way it reads and why I'll change it just a bit===

Steve, you're right that it's not a big deal, and that it's pretty clear as it stands. However, at least from my USA perspective, famous gay people have long been described in encyclopedias and history books, ''eupehmistically''', as living with "companions" or "partners" or "romantic friends." (Even the woman who wrote one of our national anthems, [[Katharine Lee Bates]].)

In the USA this has begun to change, only very recently, and historians have slowly begun to accept homosexuality for what it is.

I hope you will see this not as USA bias, but rather increasing clarity, for American readers as well as other English speakers.

So I feel this article should be just a little more explicit. I will do this myself in a bit.--[[User:Zaorish|Zaorish]] 11:34, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

:No, I fully appreciate that; in fact it seems to have happened with Jansson in Finland and elsewhere. That's what I meant when I stated that the article represents the sources; the sources are just as inexplicit as the article. It was extremely hard to find a source that explicitly described her as a lesbian. However, one was found and I'd support the article describing her as such. I just wish we had a better source for the fact that it was an open secret; that would be relevant, I can't think of any biographies of Jansson off the top if my head, but I will stay on the hunt. [[User:Steve block|Steve block]] [[User talk:Steve block|talk]] 11:58, 20 March 2006 (UTC)