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==Promoted new constitution ?==
:In [[2003]], he promoted a new constitution designed to facilitate the goal of Romanian entry into the [[European Union]], and despite low voter turnout it was approved in a referendum by 90% of the vote.
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'''Newcomer comment:''' whereas the English version of Iliescu's biography tends to go towards an objectivity of some sort, the Romanian article on I.I., when someone or other tried to bring some objectivity in, is constantly changed to a whole page of accusations (which I'm not saying they cannot be real), instead of a regular biography of a former chief of state. Can Romanians not be objective?
Don't listen to Bogdan, he is probably one of those frustrated blokes with no real idea of objectivity. [[User:L337 Krew|L337 Krew]] ([[User talk:L337 Krew|talk]]) 09:19, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
==Good job==
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:: Dahn, [[Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers|please do not bite the newcomers]]! :-) [[User:Bogdangiusca|bogdan]] 22:26, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
I think that the first paragraphs are over-flattering, so I tried to balance the view. In 3 minutes, some anonymous guy, probably a Kiseleff activist (ask Mitrea), a 'postac' deleted it without any discussion. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Nomoteticus|Nomoteticus]] ([[User talk:Nomoteticus|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nomoteticus|contribs]]) 15:04, 13 January 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
== Why not [[:Category:Romanian communists]] ? ==
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--[[User:Eumc|Eumc]] 00:11, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
:* "Also pardoned other 46 convicted criminals"
:It should read "46 other" rather than "other 46". But I'm not sure I agree that "convicted criminals" is irrelevant to the statement.
:--[[User:Parsleyjones|Parsleyjones]] ([[User talk:Parsleyjones|talk]]) 17:45, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
== Phrases that lack relevance or exactness ==
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There in no doubt in my mind about who comrade Ilici Iliescu really is and what kind of thoughts and ideas go through his mind,no matter where he is and what time of day it is.I was quite involved in what happened during the revolution of 1989,going out in the street and participating to many anticommunist meetings during the 90s.I remember very clearly,as if it were yesterday,that one day, immediately after Ceausescu had run away,Ilici and general Guse were on foot in front of the Council of Ministers building,close to the subway entrance.I was very close and I could hear Ilici tell the general that "we must call Moscow and tell them who we are and what we want".
In fact,the first time I saw Ilici ,I asked what is he doing among the revolutionaries and why don`t we send him where he deserved to be - in jail,where all communists should have beeen sent those days.Had we done that,today Romania would not be today the last country to join Europe and the red stigma would have been long ago definitely wiped away from the face of the people.
: All the answers to the questions concerning the revolution can be found in the archives of KGB and CIA, but as usual, they'd be released when they won't be relevant at all, probably after a generation, 50 years or so. [[User:Bogdangiusca|bogdan]] 23:02, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
I think a citation is needed when the article claims that 1 million votes were cancelled at the 1996 elections. 1 million out of about 17 million voters is 5-6%, quite much. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:83.197.223.44|83.197.223.44]] ([[User talk:83.197.223.44|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/83.197.223.44|contribs]]) 12 October 2006.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
== Mineriad ==
How can it be merely "alleged" that "The miners descended on the capital, armed with wooden clubs and bats and attacked the protesters." If we are going to split this into what is alleged and what is known, we should not classify something this indisputable as merely "alleged". - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] | [[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]] 20:32, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
: It is a fact that "the miners descended on the capital, armed with wooden clubs and bats and attacked the protesters". This is written as a fact in the article. The allegation is that Iliescu called them. The fact that Iliescu thanked them (after they did what they did), is not a clear proof that he called them (before they did it). [[User:Rsocol|Razvan Socol]] 12:51, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
== English version is fair compared to Romanian or French ==
I took a look at the French and Romanian [[Iliescu]] articles... they are very poor, POV, and contain biaised statements, they're merely pamphlets. This one is amendable, but still complies with neutrality and objectiveness principles of wiki. Let me congratulate you for your job, pals, since Iliescu is still such a 'hot' subject. --[[User:Dragosioan|dio]] 11:56, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
== Atheism ==
Originally, he claimed to be a "freethinker" (liber-cugetător), which in Romanian is used as a synonym for "atheist". (see the [http://dexonline.ro/search.php?cuv=cugetator&source=9 dictionary definition])
Later, before the 1996 elections, during the TV debate with [[Emil Constantinescu]], when asked whether he believes in God, Iliescu avoided the question, but he claimed that while he is a "believer" (credincios), he disagrees with the idea of "crede şi nu cerceta" ("believe and don't question"). These two affirmations are contradictory (and that's what Constantinescu replied to him), but Iliescu probably meant "morality" rather than "faith". [[User:Bogdangiusca|bogdan]] 12:25, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
i don't think that's enough to call him an atheist... but anyway, we are not here to comment what he said... [[User:Anonimu|Anonimu]] 13:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Free-thinker is not used (in practice) in Romanian as a synonym for "atheist". Those who use this word are actually using it with an opposite meaning.The best example is Pavel Corut . The connection between atheists and Iliescu is a joke and an insult.[[User:Azdfg|Azdfg]] ([[User talk:Azdfg|talk]]) 15:00, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
==Portrait==
Would it be posible to replace the actual picture with the [http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagine:IonIliescu.jpg official portrait]?--[[User:Alex:Dan|Alex:Dan]] 18:04, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
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== "You, animal!" deleted ==
Iliescu contested ever saying that, so giving it as an undisputed quote violates [[WP:BLP]]. {{In lang|ro}}[http://www.gandul.info/politica/iliescu-a-incercat-sa-i-seduca-pe-bloggerii-furiosi-cu-citate-din-cioran-video-2345426 interview in which he denies he said it.] Feel free to add it back as a controversial issue, but not as an undisputed quotation. [[User:Pohta ce-am pohtit|Pcap]] [[User_talk:Pohta ce-am pohtit|<small>ping</small>]] 04:49, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
: I've [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ion_Iliescu&diff=prev&oldid=332734686 added this] back with more detail. I'm not entirely happy because it's mostly Iliescu's version of events, but I cannot find an interview with Paul Pârvu or someone that was verifiably present giving his version of events. Not online, anyway. There are quite a few variations in the folklore, second hand smoke reports of the incident, but we'd have an [[anthology]] here given how many variations I've found... [[User:Pohta ce-am pohtit|Pcap]] [[User_talk:Pohta ce-am pohtit|<small>ping</small>]] 22:21, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
== Pardons ==
Based on how much [[WP:WEIGHT|space is given]] to this issue, you'd think this is the worst Iliescu has done. I'm considering condensing that section to 1-3 paragraphs, after I find more sources. Any objections? [[User:Pohta ce-am pohtit|Pcap]] [[User_talk:Pohta ce-am pohtit|<small>ping</small>]] 15:59, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
== I THINK I'M BEING CENZURED BECAUSE THERE ARE ILIESCU HATER'S HERE....I HOPE I' M WRONG ==
I will keep adding the style and awards to Iliescu's info as it is the sae case in other personalities...what is wrong in specifying his awards and adding ''His Excellency''? <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:EddyVadim|EddyVadim]] ([[User talk:EddyVadim|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/EddyVadim|contribs]]) 14:57, 8 July 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:There's nothing wrong with you adding info about his style and awards. The problem is that you keep whitewashing the article by removing sourced content about controversies regarding him. [[User:CaptainFugu|CaptainFugu]] ([[User talk:CaptainFugu|talk]]) 15:01, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
==poplarity==
should include that though he enjoyed a certain popularity due to his opposition to Ceauşescu and image as a revolutionary, his political career after 1989 was characterized by multiple controversies and scandals. Public opinion regarding his tenure as president is still divided. [http://www.sfin.ro/articol_13481/al_cincilea_iliescu.html?action=print]. --[[Special:Contributions/144.131.184.153|144.131.184.153]] ([[User talk:144.131.184.153|talk]]) 01:51, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
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== "Expelled from the party" ==
Who says that Iliescu was "excpelled from the party"? He never was, neither in 1984, as the article pretends, nor later or earlier. Although you find the claim also in the Romanian version, it is obviously untrue. I talked to Iliescu yesterday, and he denied the fact explicitely. Given his interest to play down his role as a communist leader, his denial is utterly convincing. Norbert Mappes-Niediek, South East Europe correspondent (who took for granted that the Wiki claim was right and was corrected by his interview partner Iliescu). <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/109.102.53.86|109.102.53.86]] ([[User talk:109.102.53.86|talk]]) 15:16, 31 October 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for pointing out this inconsistency. The sentence that includes his supposed expulsion contains a source to [a New York Times article http://www.nytimes.com/1989/12/24/world/upheaval-in-the-east-a-rising-star-a-man-who-could-become-rumania-s-leader.html], but the article does not mention any expulsion in that time. I have therefore removed this information from the article. Given that the exact same source is used for this in the Romanian Wikipedia, you may want to also bring this up on the [[:ro:Discuție:Ion Iliescu|discussion page of the Romanian article]], or perhaps edit the article yourself. If you find any other [[Wikipedia:Citing sources|unreferenced] and untrue material, please let us know, or feel free to edit it yourself. Thank you! [[User:Trinitresque|Trinitresque]] ([[User talk:Trinitresque|talk]]) 15:36, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
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== atheist? ==
is there any statement he made declaring his atheism [[User:Allahbosno77|Allahbosno77]] ([[User talk:Allahbosno77|talk]]) 12:57, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
== Why is him being an engineer relevant? ==
In the intro it says that he "is a Romanian politician and engineer". He made no contributions to the engineering field, no achievements, no inventions. His entire career was political. Why is there mention of him being an engineer, even though he's a career politician? He is widely known for his political career, not for his engineering degree. [[User:CubicalEuphemism|CubicalEuphemism]] ([[User talk:CubicalEuphemism|talk]]) 15:50, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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