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==Lichtbild and Lichtbildwerk==

No! This is '''utterly wrong'''. We had that problem with the German copyright law already. German and Austrian copyright law ("Urheberrechtsgesetz") makes a distinction between "Lichtbild" and "Lichtbildwerk". A "Lichtbildwerk" ia a work, and as such subject to the usual 70 years p.m.a. copyright term. Any photograph that shows even the slightest creativity is in general considered a "Lichtbildwerk". (See this case: [http://www.internet4jurists.at/entscheidungen/ogh4_179_01d.htm Eurobike: OGH, Beschluss vom 12.9.2001, 4 Ob 179/01d].) A "Lichtbild" must be really simple - a frontal portrait photograph (head shot, passport photo) falls into this category. A "Lichtbild" is protected for 50 years after creation, or, if published within that term, for 50 years after the first publication. See [http://www.internet4jurists.at/gesetze/bg_urhg2a.htm#§_73 §74(6)] of the Austrian copyright law. See also [http://www.internet4jurists.at/urh-marken/urh01.htm#Werkarten]. [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 08:47, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

::At the very least, 3 of the current 6 photographs meet even the most stringent of your criteria to be included, no? [[User:Sherurcij|Sherurcij]] ^{([[User_talk:Sherurcij|talk]]) ([[Wikipedia:WikiProject Terrorism|Terrorist Wikiproject]])} 08:58, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

::Of the six images in the related category [[:Category:Austrian public ___domain photographs]], only one would clearly qualify as a "Lichtbild". '''None''' of these images are in the public ___domain in Austria!

::*[[:Image:1heldeplatz.jpg]] clearly a "Lichtbild''werk''". Now "fair use".

::*[[:Image:WilhelmMiklas.jpg]] <s>clearly a "Lichtbild''werk''". '''No source'''</s> A movie still. Now "fair use".

::*[[:Image:WilhelmMiklasPic.jpg]] clearly a "Lichtbild''werk''" <s>'''No source'''</s> Now "fair use".

::*[[:Image:Karl-renner.jpg]] not a head shot, lighting & positioning make this a "Lichtbild''werk''". (Now "fair use".)

::*[[:Image:1ajansa.jpg]] not a head shot; studio portrait. I'm torn on this one, but given the very low creativity threshold ("[http://www.internet4jurists.at/entscheidungen/ogh4_179_01d.htm it suffices that another photographer would have shot a different image"]), I would say this is a "Lichtbild''werk''", too. (Now "fair use".)

::*[[:Image:Franz Jonas.jpg]] yes, that's a "Lichtbild": passport-style photograph. However, from 1965 to 1974 and thus copyrighted until at least 2015. <s>Also, it has '''no source'''.</s> Now "fair use".

::[[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 09:01, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

::Also note that the protection for a "Lichtbild" is '''fifty''' years, not thirty. [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 09:01, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I would suggest removing this template from all six images and redirecting it to {{tl|PD-old-70}}, or rewording it similar to {{tl|PD-Germany}} (where we went through all these issues already, see the talk). [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 09:26, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

:I've reworded it, following {{tl|PD-Germany}}. [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 13:00, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

::All images listed above are now sourced and tagged as {{tl|Non-free fair use in}} for the appropriate articles. [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 13:03, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I fully agree with Lupo --[[User:Historiograf|Historiograf]] 00:00, 24 April 2006 (UTC)