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=== April 5 ===
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====[[:Category:British sport by locality]] to [[:Category:Sport in the United Kingdom by locality]]====
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The result of the debate was '''rename'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 13:40, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
This category should use the "in" form like its parent and children. '''Rename''' [[User:CalJW|CalJW]] 18:06, 5 April 2006 (UTC).
*'''support'''. -[[User:Irpen|Irpen]] 18:23, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nom. --[[User:Mais oui!|Mais oui!]] 18:29, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
* '''Rename''' per nom, as Northern Ireland included. [[User:David Kernow|David Kernow]] 02:37, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
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====Rugby league stadiums====
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The result of the debate was '''rename both'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 13:40, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
2 subcategories to be renamed in line with other sports venue categories and for consistency with the parent:
*[[:Category:Australian rugby league stadiums]] --> [[:Category:Rugby league stadiums in Australia]]
*[[:Category:British rugby league stadia]] --> [[:Category:Rugby league stadiums in the United Kingdom]]
*'''Rename both''' [[User:Choalbaton|Choalbaton]] 17:27, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''support.''' --[[User:Irpen|Irpen]] 18:23, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
* '''Rename both''' per nom. [[User:David Kernow|David Kernow]] 02:37, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Iranian Stage actors]] to [[:Category:Iranian stage actors]]====
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The result of the debate was '''merge'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 13:41, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia naming conventions. <i>[[User:ProveIt|ProveIt]] <sup>[[User talk:ProveIt|(talk)]]</sup></i> 17:04, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
:note this is ''merge'' not ''rename'' -- <i>[[User:ProveIt|ProveIt]] <sup>[[User talk:ProveIt|(talk)]]</sup></i> 17:48, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Speedy rename''' [[User:Choalbaton|Choalbaton]] 17:27, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
* '''Speedy merge''' per nom. [[User:David Kernow|David Kernow]] 17:52, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''speedify'''. This is non-issue. -[[User:Irpen|Irpen]] 18:22, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Byzantine sites in Italy]]====
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The result of the debate was '''delete - wiki is not a crystal ball'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 13:48, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
See below. We don't have [[Byzantine sites in Greece]] or [[Byzantine sites in Turkey]], do we? There is nothing in the article on [[Trani]] which warrants its inclusion in the category. I looked through the hefty "History of Byzantium" which mentions dozens samples of Byzantine architecture in Italy. No Trani here. '''Delete''' frivolous and meaningless cat. --[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]] <sup>[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</sup> 15:42, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''del''' as per nom. --[[User:Irpen|Irpen]] 18:22, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' has the possibility of expansion and filling up as in all the Greek sites in... & Roman sites in .... [[User:Carlossuarez46|Carlossuarez46]] 20:51, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' [[:Category:Bysantine sites]] and include half of [[;Category:Byzantine art]]; we can subdivide when (and if) necessary. I took the (unsupported) cat off Trani. [[User:Pmanderson|Septentrionalis]] 05:36, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Romanesque sites of Puglia]]====
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The result of the debate was '''delete'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 13:45, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Started by [[User:Attilios]] specifically to categorize [[Trani]]. Completely out of line with existing categorization schemes. There is nothing outstanding in Trani that warrants its categorization as "a Gothic site". If the author wants the categorization to be consistent, he needs to explain which city is a "Gothic site", "Renaissance site", "Baroque site", "Art Nouveau site", etc, etc. I'm afraid the consistent application of this criterion would plunge Wikipedia into an abyss of pointless and uninformative categorization. [[Paris]], for instance, would have to be included into a dozen cats: it is a "Gothic site", a "Romanesque site", a "pre-Romanesque site", etc. Hence, '''delete'''. --[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]] <sup>[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</sup> 15:42, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''del''' as per nom. --[[User:Irpen|Irpen]] 18:21, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' categorization by architecture type, rather than by cultural inroads and foundation as in Byzantine above, is not to be started. [[User:Carlossuarez46|Carlossuarez46]] 20:52, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Gothic sites of Puglia]]====
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The result of the debate was '''delete'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 13:45, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Started by [[User:Attilios]] specifically to categorize [[Trani]]. Completely out of line with existing categorization schemes. There is nothing outstanding in Trani that warrants its categorization as "a Gothic site". If the author wants the categorization to be consistent, he needs to explain which city is a "Gothic site", "Renaissance site", "Baroque site", "Art Nouveau site", etc, etc. As 90% of cities in Europe may be described as "Gothic sites", the consistent application of such a criterion would plunge Wikipedia into an abyss of pointless and uninformative categorization. Hence, '''delete'''. --[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]] <sup>[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</sup> 15:42, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''del''' as per nom. --[[User:Irpen|Irpen]] 18:21, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' Gothic is ambiguous (having to do with Goths? architecturally? foreboding and scary? filled with teenagers with white makeup, piercings, wearing black?) Assuming by context what is intended: categorization by architecture type, rather than by cultural inroads and foundation as in Byzantine above, is not to be started. [[User:Carlossuarez46|Carlossuarez46]] 20:54, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Benz family]]====
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The result of the debate was '''delete'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 13:48, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
I was looking through [[:Category:Categories for deletion]], and apparently this was tagged a long time ago, but never listed here, so I posted it. Looking through it, I'd have to agree, '''delete'''. [[User:Nobunaga24|Nobunaga24]] 15:04, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Ruler-and-compass constructions]]====
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The result of the debate was '''delete'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 13:59, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Should have been ''cfd'' not ''prod''... -- <i>[[User:ProveIt|ProveIt]] <sup>[[User talk:ProveIt|(talk)]]</sup></i>
*<s>'''Keep'''</s> unless someone can explain why the person who orphaned it in the same edit put a tag on it to delete it because it had been orphaned. [[User:Gene Nygaard|Gene Nygaard]] 02:14, 7 April 2006 (UTC) Okay, that explanation satisfies me. 13:57, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
:: I'm not quite sure what you're objecting to; if you could be a bit more explicit, I'll be happy to try to address your concerns. [[User:John Reid|John Reid]] 19:58, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' -- redundant to [[:Category:Euclidean plane geometry]]. Orphaned and tagged during general overhaul of all [[compass and straightedge]]-related articles. [[User:John Reid|John Reid]] 19:58, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Famous bow tie wearers]]====
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The result of the debate was '''delete'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 13:50, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
[[Winston Churchill]] is in a huge number of categories even without this cluttersome trivia. This merits a list in the bow tie article perhaps, but not a category. [[User:Hawkestone|Hawkestone]] 13:22, 5 April 2006 (UTC).
*'''Delete''' as above. [[User:Hawkestone|Hawkestone]] 13:22, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
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::Are you thinking of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_February_16#Category:Famous_Bow_tie_wearers February 16 - Category:Famous Bow tie wearers]? [[User:CLW|CLW]] 15:38, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
:::Yeah. Seems like six weeks later is too recently to revisit a nomination. Let's wait six months.--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 16:43, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
::::[[Wikipedia:Deletion]] says that an <i>article</i> for deletion shouldn't be relisted immediately if the deletion fails. While that is articles and this is categories I don't see why the criteria should be different and six weeks is definitely not immediate. (And, BTW the result of the previous go around was No Concensus, not Keep). --[[User:JeffW|JeffW]] 18:27, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Unencyclopedic criterion. --[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]] <sup>[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</sup> 15:32, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Unencyclopedic criterion. This is an encyclopedia, not a miscellany. [[User:Choalbaton|Choalbaton]] 17:30, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''delete'''. Just clutter. --[[User:Irpen|Irpen]] 18:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' So what's next? Boxers or briefs? --[[User:JeffW|JeffW]] 18:23, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Listify''' and '''Delete'''. Not needed. [[User:Carlossuarez46|Carlossuarez46]] 20:49, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''listify''' and '''delete'''. much better as a list. <small><i>[[User:BL Lacertae|<span style="color:#990000;">BL Lacertae</span>]] - [[User talk:BL Lacertae|<span style="color:#555555;">kiss the lizard</span>]]</i></small> 02:12, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', a list would not make any difference as this is unencyclopedic. --[[User:Terence Ong|Ter]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<span style="color:green">e</span>]][[User:Terence Ong|nc]][[User talk:Terence Ong|e Ong]] 09:55, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', criterion is too unstable/subjective. And boxer briefs. - [[User:Choster|choster]] 00:20, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Bhoeble|Bhoeble]] 11:31, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Listify'''[[User:Mayumashu|Mayumashu]] 05:18, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:United States wines]] to [[:Category:American wines]]====
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The result of the debate was '''rename'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 13:55, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
'''Rename''' to match [[:category:American cuisine]]. [[User:Bhoeble|Bhoeble]] 13:14, 5 April 2006 (UTC).
:Isn't there more of a case for renaming [[:category:American cuisine]] to [[:category:United States cuisine]], since this would be more accurate? "America", after all, is more than just the US. [[User:CLW|CLW]] 13:29, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
::This has come up a lot, and each time the conclusion is that "American" is the adjectival form of "United States." Blame us United Statesians for not coming up with a better adjective for ourselves.--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 14:47, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' As stated, "American" is the adjectival form of "United States." [[User:Choalbaton|Choalbaton]] 17:31, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' as per nomination. [[User:Mattbr30|mattbr<sup>30</sup>]] 19:26, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Comment''', wouldn't "Wines of the United States", be more apropriate. To avoid confusion with someone searching for North American or South American wines? --[[User:Barberio|Barberio]] 09:42, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
**No it would not. We have been through that debate more than enough times and it seems to me that the potential for such confusion is purely theoretical. In any case, readers of the English Wikipedia should familiarise themselves with normal English usage. This is not the place to change the English language to suit the needs of Latin Americans or anyone else; we should use English as it is. [[User:Bhoeble|Bhoeble]] 11:34, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per nom. --[[User:Darwinek|Darwinek]] 13:28, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per nom. - [[User:Nat Krause|Nat Krause]]<sup>([[User talk:Nat Krause|Talk!]])</sup>`
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====[[:Category:Hanna-Barbera and Cartoon Network Studios characters]] to [[:Category:Hanna-Barbera and Cartoon Network Studios series and characters]]====
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The result of the debate was '''merge'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 13:58, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
The former catergory is redundant if the latter category also exisits. [[User:CLW|CLW]] 08:31, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. I can't tell for sure, but someone may have been in progress of moving entries from one to the other, given that one category has only items beginning with J or later, and the other is mostly A through H.--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 14:44, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
:*Note from closing admin - both cats seem to have population as of time of closing so whatever was happening when Mike made his comment appears to have completed. --[[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 13:58, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:The Salvation Army in Films]]====
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The result of the debate was '''delete'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 14:00, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Most of these entries are trivia. If trivia from every book, film, etc... gets a category, then categories become trivial. This subject is already handled quite will at [[Salvation Army Filmography]] in which I found out that in [[Pieces of April]] someone bought a suit at the Salvation Army. "What links here" can be used to find all the lists of trivia that mention a film. -- [[User:SamuelWantman|Samuel Wantman]] 05:43, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. '''''×'''''[[User:Meegs|Meegs]] 07:38, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' Articles shouldn't be classified by minor attributes or references. [[User:Bhoeble|Bhoeble]] 12:12, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per above. [[User:David Kernow|David Kernow]] 17:54, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''delete'''. -[[User:Irpen|Irpen]] 18:19, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Lists of movements]]====
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The result of the debate was '''delete'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 14:00, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't see the utility in conflating art movements and political movements just because they both have "movement" in their names. Perhaps this should be split into Lists of arts movements and Lists of political movements but with only three items it hardly seems worth it. [[User:JeffW|JeffW]] 03:10, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
: I think the best argument I can think of against this category is that until I clicked on the link, I had no idea whether "movements" was referring to artistic groups, political action groups, pieces of music or physical actions such as "hop", "skip" and "jump". If further articles can be found to file in them, then '''split''' into separate (and less ambiguously titled) political and artistic categories; otherwise '''delete''', because this doesn't serve any useful purpose as currently constituted. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] 04:45, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per nom. I doubt there will ever be enough of a population to warrant splitting. After deleting, the entries will be split into two different categories of lists (whoever closes this should be careful). -- [[User:SamuelWantman|Samuel Wantman]] 05:48, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''delete'''. --[[User:Irpen|Irpen]] 18:18, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' as too unfocused. [[User:David Kernow|David Kernow]] 02:39, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Software engineering disasters]] to [[:Category:Disasters attributed to software engineering]]====
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The result of the debate was '''keep'''. [[User:Syrthiss|Syrthiss]] 14:02, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Less POV title in light of no consensus to delete (see [[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 March 28#Category:Software engineering disasters|here]]) [[User:David Kernow|David Kernow]] 03:06, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
* '''Rename''' as nom. [[User:David Kernow|David Kernow]] 03:06, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Not all of the entries match the new title, and I don't think it matches the original intention, or not all of it. It also covers progamming fiascos which didn't cause disasters in the sense of loss of life. 12:11, 5 April 2006 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bhoeble|Bhoeble]] ([[User talk:Bhoeble|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bhoeble|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
* '''Oppose'''. While it's true that some software engineering did cause disasters (and some of the articles in the category exemplify that),there are plenty of software engineering projects that were themselves disasters. [[Ed Yourdon]]'s book ''Deathmarch'' names some as does
:* In which case, re the comments above, there seems to be the need for two categories: [[:Category:Software engineering failures]] or the like; and the subcategory [[:Category:Disasters attributed to software engineering]]. Regards, [[User:David Kernow|David Kernow]] 17:52, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' move. No need to weaselize. --[[User:Irpen|Irpen]] 18:18, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
:* A distinction between software causing disaster and software failing to perform has been made. Is that "weaselizing"? Curious, [[User:David Kernow|David Kernow]] 23:22, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' move. There seems to be a trend toward longer and longer category names, which make the list of categories at the bottom of articles hard to read. Category names should be as concise as possible, in my opinion. And, if anything, the incidents in question are attributed to a ''lack'' of software engineering. --[[User:ArnoldReinhold|agr]] 22:39, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
:* Perhaps the manner in which categories are listed at the bottom of articles needs reconsideration. There seem to be too many instances where clarity, grammar and/or syntax have been sacrificed for the sake of a compressed category name. "Fatally crashed racecar drivers", "American Revolution people" (something from the sixties?), etc, etc... [[User:David Kernow|David Kernow]] 23:22, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
::Both seem like reasonable category names to me. I think category names are like newspaper headlines, where rules of syntax are often relaxed. In the pre-computer library card catalog one was more likely to find a subject card titled "American Revolution - people" than "People Associated with the American War of Independence (1775–1783)." <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:ArnoldReinhold|ArnoldReinhold]] ([[User talk:ArnoldReinhold|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ArnoldReinhold|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
::* For the sake of those non-native speakers visiting the English Wikipedia, I'd be happier with "''X'' Revolution - people", "''X'' Revolution: People" or the like, i.e. something that doesn't treat a noun phrase as an adjective. But "fatally crashed [''noun phrase'']"?! Let's take advantage of the fact Wikipedia doesn't have to use a pre-computer library card catalog approach... I'm all for trying a show/hide listing of categories one-to-a-line at the bottom of a page, akin to TOCs. Thanks for your thoughts, [[User:David Kernow|David Kernow]] 02:50, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
:::*The way we're going, you wouldn't get one to a line. I agree with ArnoldReinhold; succinct category names are better. [[User:Gene Nygaard|Gene Nygaard]] 02:10, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
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