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The header of one of the columns in the first table is missing. What should it be? <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Paul Sinnema|Paul Sinnema]] ([[User talk:Paul Sinnema|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Paul Sinnema|contribs]]) 15:51, 18 January 2016 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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==Splitting 'Database' column==

I'd like to split the 'Database' columns into several sub-columns. At least 5; one each for Oracle, MySQL, SQL Server and postgreSQL support, then one for 'other', listing the other supported databases. Like so:

{| class="wikitable sortable"

|-

! rowspan=2 | Product !! colspan=5 | Database support

|-

! [[Oracle]] !! [[MySQL]] !! [[PostgreSQL]] !! [[SQL Server]] !! Other

|-

| [[ABIS-Query]] || {{yes}} || {{yes}} || {{yes}} || {{yes}} || Firebird, MS Excel, any database with ODBC drivers

|-

| [[SQL Developer]] || {{yes}} || {{some}} || {{some}} || {{some}} || any database with JDBC drivers

|-

| [[Toad for MySQL]] || {{no}} || {{yes}} || {{no}} || {{no}} ||

|}

Now, the question is what should be done with ODBC and JDBC ? Should a separate column exist for them, or should it just be implemented as above (ie mark every supporting database with 'yes' and add a note in 'other') ?

Additionally, I noticed that the table I just created above won't allow sorting on the sub-columns. Is there a way to do that (otherwise my motivation for implementing the sub-columns is zero)..

[[User:Highspam|Highspam]] ([[User talk:Highspam|talk]]) 00:04, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

==Reply to speedy deletion request==

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:Please add it if you get a chance!! [[User:Highspam|Highspam]] ([[User talk:Highspam|talk]]) 23:17, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

:: This TODO item is now complete. [[User:Philipolson|Philipolson]] ([[User talk:Philipolson|talk]]) 19:16, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

:Added it to /*General*/ today. I didn't get to the features list so it still needs to be added to that. Some of the other tools are totally deprecated like MySQL Lite Administrator and should probably be removed. [[User:Mlehner616|Mlehner616]] ([[User talk:Mlehner616|talk]]) 19:23, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

==Issues==

Please review [[Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Sales|Not sales]] and [[WP:NOT#ADVERTISING|Not advertising]] (issuing public service announcements). -- [[User:Jreferee|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:Kristen ITC"; color=":#2A52BE;">'''Jreferee '''</fontspan>]][[User_talk:Jreferee|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#007BA7;"> t</fontspan>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Jreferee|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#007FFF;">c</fontspan>]] 16:59, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

==Multiple Products==

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:In the table SQLyog is listed as running under linux, but running in wine shouldn't be considered as running natively. I can't tell from the website; does it run natively under linux? I expect not if they support it under wine, however it looks like there are linux versions of their other products [[Special:Contributions/216.13.37.10|216.13.37.10]] ([[User talk:216.13.37.10|talk]]) 18:11, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

::Could we add a yellow 'Yes via Wine' to help distinguish between actual native Linux applications and those which must be run through Wine? --[[Special:Contributions/50.192.192.209|50.192.192.209]] ([[User talk:50.192.192.209|talk]]) 20:10, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

I changed to the "Depends" template for SQLyog instead of "Yes", and indicated the [[Wine (software)]] requirement. [[User:Oberst|David Oberst]] ([[User talk:Oberst|talk]])

== BigDump ==

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These products aren't on the list:

* [https://dbconvert.com/ DBConvert] <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Slotix|Slotix]] ([[User talk:Slotix#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Slotix|contribs]]) 00:35, 13 May 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

* [http://sourceforge.net/projects/monoql/ MonoSQL]

* [http://wwwdbeaver.sqlbuddyjkiss.comorg/ SQL BuddyDBeaver]

* [http://www.gosu.pl/dbkiss/ DBKISS]

* [http://www.dbvis.com/ DbVisualizer] <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/193.46.62.22|193.46.62.22]] ([[User talk:193.46.62.22|talk]]) 09:46, 8 January 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

* [https://convert-in.com/ Intelligent Converters] <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/94.143.40.156|94.143.40.156]] ([[User talk:94.143.40.156#top|talk]]) 08:30, 30 March 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

* [http://sourceforge.net/projects/monoql/ MonoSQL]

* [http://www.razorsql.com/ RazorSQL]

* [http://www.sqlbuddy.com/ SQL Buddy]

* [http://www.dbvis.com/ DbVisualizer] <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/193.46.62.22|193.46.62.22]] ([[User talk:193.46.62.22|talk]]) 09:46, 8 January 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

<small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Berebi|Berebi]] ([[User talk:Berebi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Berebi|contribs]]) 02:34, 9 December 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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*http://www.pebblereports.com/sqlpal/

*http://www.spectralcore.com/fullconvert/

::No Articles on Wikipedia - so no they should not be added. [[User:Vrenator|<span style="font-family: Papyrus"><span style="color:green;">'''''Vrenator'''''</span></span>]] [[User talk:Vrenator|<span style="font-family: Papyrus"><span style="color:green;">^talk</span></span>]] 09:21, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

:::That's incorrect. This has come up before. Please review the comment I made to [[User:MrOllie|MrOllie]]:

::::If you review the [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Stand-alone lists#Selection criteria|selection criteria]] in [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Stand-alone lists|WP:SAL]], nowhere does it mention any [[Wikipedia:Notability|notability]] requirements for list entries. The [[Wikipedia:Notability|Wikipedia article on notability]] specifically states "[notability guidelines] do not directly limit the content of an article or list." The [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Stand-alone lists#Selection criteria|selection criteria]] mention notability as a ''common selection criteria'' but, since this is not mentioned on the discussion page nor in the lead section of the list, it '''does not apply to this list'''. Please recall that notability criteria for a Wikipedia article do not apply to entries in lists.

:::[[Wikipedia:Notability|Notability]] is intended to control which articles get published on Wikipedia , not what is contained in those articles. If we are only comparing Notable database tools, then the article should be named Comparison of Notable Database Tools. Otherwise, every database tools should be listed in the comparison. I think a list of notable database tools is a far less useful article (and less open/fair, since we will be picking which products get to compete in the list based on their popularity rather than allowing them to compete based on their features). -[[User:Highspam|Highspam]] ([[User talk:Highspam|talk]]) 19:35, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

::::[https://www.sequelpro.com/ Sequel Pro] [[User:Galzigler|Galzigler]] ([[User talk:Galzigler|talk]]) 23:02, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

[https://github.com/Microsoft/sqlopsstudio MS SQL Ops Studio (Microsoft SQL Operations Studio)] -- [[Special:Contributions/2A02:908:DF54:F540:6DB5:F3A:2B7B:A40B|2A02:908:DF54:F540:6DB5:F3A:2B7B:A40B]] ([[User talk:2A02:908:DF54:F540:6DB5:F3A:2B7B:A40B|talk]]) 11:43, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

==SPAM==

This page is nothing but a list of external links which is totally in contravention of [[WP:Spam]]. I suggest this list either be removed completely or stripped down to remove external links to companies or products which are not notable (don't have an article on WIkipedia). Unless anyone comes up with an argument to the contrary I may start removing some of the spam links. [[User:Vrenator|<span style="font-family: Papyrus"><fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">'''''Vrenator'''''</fontspan></span>]] [[User talk:Vrenator|<span style="font-family: Papyrus"><font colorspan style="color:green;">^talk</fontspan></span>]] 09:23, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

:Do you intend to remove entire entries or just the external links? I support removing the direct external links. Before deleting each, please consider whether they can be converted to references. I have added another banner. --[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 15:19, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

:: The question I think is what is the criteria for inclusion? On many of these lists it is notability which is defined by having an article on Wikipedia, if not for the application itself at least for the company which produces it. As very few of the items listed have Wikipedia pages then maybe they should be converted to references. [[User:Vrenator|<span style="font-family: Papyrus"><fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">'''''Vrenator'''''</fontspan></span>]] [[User talk:Vrenator|<span style="font-family: Papyrus"><font colorspan style="color:green;">^talk</fontspan></span>]] 16:59, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

:::I've tidied it up making external links into references and removing red links. I think there's a lot of items which need to be removed as there are no sources but I think it's an improvement. [[User:Vrenator|<span style="font-family: Papyrus"><fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">'''''Vrenator'''''</fontspan></span>]] [[User talk:Vrenator|<span style="font-family: Papyrus"><font colorspan style="color:green;">^talk</fontspan></span>]] 14:20, 25 November 2011 (UTC)