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== Welcome Archives==

[[Image:Replacement filing cabinet.svg|right|50px|Archive]]

* [[User talk:Mjb/Archive 1|September 2002 – June 2006]] – Topics: ''Welcome · White Rabbit (song) · Calvin and Hobbes · Remainder and Modulo Operation · Other stuff · Up to · Scheerer's phenomenon · PITA · XML · HTML · Klaus Schulze and techno · Character encoding · Your comment? · EBCDIC · Ellipsis comment · Talk:LSD · Han unification · It should be noted that · Wal-Mart · Wal-Mart criticism split · Odd character display · Dear divbox user · IDM · ISO 8859 and Unicode · Unicode related articles · cleaning · Special characters at Latin-1 · Percent encoding · xml links by 81.68.98.163 · Featured article review · Re: Lil Louis · Dayton NPOV edit · Joel Stein Edit · Page name for temperature articles · IDM as "Intellectual Dance Music" · Persian Jews · South Park City · www.asciilist.com on ASCII · Re: Template:Main · Apologies · Your comment at Club Music · Roller Derby · User:Brian G. Wilson · AMBER Alerts · My recent edits''

* [[User talk:Mjb/Archive 2|July 2006 – December 2007]] – Topics: ''Apology · Wikipedian Rollergirls · Electronic dance music · Your note · Fairly worthless awards? · IDM · a user conduct RFC · Northern Soul and ABC · Trafford publications · Join us in the "Terminator" Article discussion page...please... · Thanks · Apizza! · Uniform Resource Identifier · XML intro · HTML WG edits · Flashback (band) · John Bedini article · Professional v. Amateur, take 27 · Acid house · Trivia and WP:FIVE. · Category:Roller derby · User talk:64.38.167.66 · Please be nice to the newbies · Harvest Records · Acid house · Minnesota RollerGirls · Character set tables · Roller Derby and Its History · de:User talk:Raymond''

* [[User talk:Mjb/Archive 3|January 2008 – January 2010]] – Topics: ''Roller Derby (songs, blog sources) · Afro Cosmic · Techno · List of Roller Derby Leagues · Siouxsie citation · Thanks · Tech(no) stuff · House music · Non-free images · House music again · Hi-NRG · Baffled by XSLT deletion · Orphaned non-free images · Universal Techno · A little Chicago house help · Techno categories · Character entity references in HTML · IFPI · Apology · More apologies · Ectopic House? · Barnstar · Sibel Edmonds · The Long Tail · Articles for deletion nomination of List of roller derby leagues · One problem with newspaper articles... · CfD nomination of Category:IDM musicians · AfD nomination of Post-disco · post-disco era / movement · №''

* [[User talk:Mjb/Archive 4|February 2010 – January 2017]] - Topics: ''Detroit techno · Email · Chicago house · Talla 2XLC · Venting (re: Bedini content) · House music article · The MultimediaWiki is not a reliable source? · Nomination of Intelligent dance music for deletion · WikiProject Colorado · MP3 limitations · Four-on-the-floor · Roller Derby WikiProject? · Music industry · Arial's relationship to Helvetica · Roller derby · 303 revival · What do you think? (re: house music origins) · Derby's Not Just For the Young · History section in main Roller Derby article · House Music · I do have a conflict of interest · Compact Cassette · NPR · Center for Copyright Information · copyright infringement · New Carlisle Residents''

== “Is Arial Dead Yet?”==

Hello there Mjb, [[Welcome, newcomers|welcome]] to the 'pedia! I hope you like the place and decide to [[wikipedians|stay]]. If you ever need editing help visit [[Wikipedia:How does one edit a page]] and experiment at [[Wikipedia:Sandbox]]. If you need pointers on how we title pages visit [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions]]. If you have any other questions about the project then check out [[Wikipedia:Help]] or add a question to the [[wikipedia:Village pump|Village pump]]. Cheers! --[[user:maveric149|maveric149]] 23:50, 6 September 2002

I noticed on [[Talk:Arial#Unverified_claims_and_other_issues]] you mentioned the article “Is Arial Dead Yet?” Step Inside Design. WebMediaDesigns, 2009. Web. 10 April 2010. The link is dead but I wonder if you know where I can find it? Thanks [[User:Billlion|Billlion]] ([[User talk:Billlion|talk]]) 10:31, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

:I updated the link to use the Wayback Machine. —[[User:Mjb|mjb]] ([[User talk:Mjb#top|talk]]) 20:00, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

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== White Rabbit (song) ==

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The intro of [[White Rabbit (song)|White Rabbit]] sounds so familiar, I can hardly believe it hasn't been used in a modern pop song... Mike, would you know which? It has kept me thinking for over two days now. -Claire

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== Calvin and Hobbes ==

== Nomination of [[:Torrent file]] for deletion ==

Hi, can you take a quick peek at [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates#Calvin and Hobbes]] and revisit your objection to the [[Calvin and Hobbes]] article? I think it has been answered since you last posted. Cheers! -- [[User:Alanyst|Alanyst]] 08:12, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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The article will be discussed at '''[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Torrent file]]''' until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

:Done (the other day). -- [[User:Mjb|mjb]] 07:01, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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== Remainder and Modulo Operation ==

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== Hey mjb ==

I replied to you on [[Talk:Remainder]].

Please have a look at [[Talk:Footwork (genre)#Invalid conflation of footwork and juke]] and weigh in if you want to help. Thank you [[Special:Contributions/178.121.24.216|178.121.24.216]] ([[User talk:178.121.24.216|talk]]) 18:36, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

:Hmm, I don't see a new message from you on [[Talk:Remainder]]; I only see your response to someone else who had committed an anonymous (and wrong) edit in Nov 2004. I was editing that page just now to ask about non-integer division, so perhaps your edit was lost somehow? I don't see it in the history.

== Invitation to participate in a research ==

::Come on. I see my edits there. And I see the entries in the page history too. Maybe something was wrong with the server. Could you check again (do a reload)? [[User:Oleg Alexandrov|Oleg Alexandrov ]] | [[ User_talk:Oleg Alexandrov|talk]] 05:50, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hello,

::: You told me here that you had replied to me on [[Talk:Remainder]]. The only change that you made, at that time, was the addition of the "Remainder (disagree)" section. At first, I thought you were were responding to the discussion from 11-12 July 2004, but your answer did not seem to relate to anything that either I or Revolver said, and I didn't understand why you would be responding to that outdated thread, anyway. But then I saw that apparently, you were actually responding to an ''anonymous'' edit of the [[remainder]] article that had occurred in November 2004: somebody (not me!) had made the article state that remainders were formally defined or used in "real" math. I am not repsonsible for that edit, and my first change to Talk:Remainder since July 2004 was made after you posted here. - [[User:Mjb|mjb]] 07:28, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The Wikimedia Foundation is conducting a survey of Wikipedians to better understand what draws administrators to contribute to Wikipedia, and what affects administrator retention. We will use this research to improve experiences for Wikipedians, and address common problems and needs. We have identified you as a good candidate for this research, and would greatly appreciate your participation in this '''[https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/962595?lang=en anonymous survey]'''.

:::: I wrote another reply for you on [[Talk:Remainder]], see the ''last section'' there. We had a misunderstanding, because I did not refer in concrete terms to what you wrote. [[User:Oleg Alexandrov|Oleg Alexandrov ]] | [[ User_talk:Oleg Alexandrov|talk]] 15:59, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

You do not have to be an Administrator to participate.

::::: I give up. Your first response on Talk:Remainder was made BEFORE I added the "Other Definitions" section. Now you have reposted your same response, with the addition of a reference to that section I added 30 minutes LATER. - [[User:Mjb|mjb]] 17:35, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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:::::: Let us a bit cool down. Let me tell you the story. I went to the [[remainder]] page. I saw your changes, including your last section which you added. Then went and wrote to you on the talk page. Don't you see that my comments were on the last section, even if I had not mentioned the section title explicitely.

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:::::: I think there was a problem with the server time. You should appologize. [[User:Oleg Alexandrov|Oleg Alexandrov ]] | [[ User_talk:Oleg Alexandrov|talk]] 19:23, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Kind Regards,

::::::: Apparently so. I did not mean to sound hostile. I am just frustrated. It does not matter. My goal is to make the articles on remainder and modulo operation be as unambiguous as possible, and they must not be in conflict with each other. Let's concentrate on that. - [[User:Mjb|mjb]] 19:46, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Research|WMF Research Team]]

::::::: No problem. I will continue on [[Talk:Remainder]]. [[User:Oleg Alexandrov|Oleg Alexandrov ]] | [[ User_talk:Oleg Alexandrov|talk]] 19:50, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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==Other stuff==

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== Reminder to participate in Wikipedia research ==

I like your edits to [[modulo operation]].

Hello,

:Thanks! :)

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By the way, what you wrote on your main page

:...of course, by now, other people have come along and utterly destroyed large portions of my work. Still, though, at least a few of these entries are mostly mine. I'm particularly proud of the techno music one.

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should contain the word ''destroyed'' in quotes. I hope you are not implying that we (everybody else) are just a bunch of vandals who just keep on screwing your good work. [[User:Oleg Alexandrov|Oleg Alexandrov ]] | [[ User_talk:Oleg Alexandrov|talk]] 04:29, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Kind Regards,

:Heh, perhaps. Some of the articles that, at one time, were almost entirely my own creation, have changed drastically, and not for the better. I'm a little bit resentful when people do not participate in discussions and instead just undo and sloppily rewrite anything they disagree with. However, I didn't mean to imply that I resent any of the edits that have been made to the modulo articles that I contributed to. I think we are making terrific progress. Your splitting out of [[modulo operation]] into a separate article was particularly wise. - [[User:Mjb|mjb]] 05:02, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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:: Well, that's a side effect of allowing everybody to edit everything. There is another free math wiki, called [http://planetmath.org PlanetMath] where, if you submit an article, you can decide how much access you give to other people willing to contribute, and you are the ultimate owner and arbiter. I don't say this is better, but this would solve some problems. [[User:Oleg Alexandrov|Oleg Alexandrov ]] | [[ User_talk:Oleg Alexandrov|talk]] 05:50, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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==Up to==

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::: PS What are you up to recently, as far as Wikipedia is concerned? [[User:Oleg Alexandrov|Oleg Alexandrov]] 02:08, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:::: "Proved" is fine, and is correct, as I said. Wikipedia-wise, I'm not doing much. I am not liking the article on [[XML]], but am hesitant to make any major changes to it yet, as I don't have enough time to concentrate on it. Mainly, it is written from a newcomer's/HTML user's POV, and repeats a lot of info that is in other articles. I also want to see all of the Internet Explorer references removed from the [[Mozilla Firefox]] article, for NPOV. The [[Internet Explorer]] article has had its Firefox references removed recently, and is much better for it. Unfortunately, any changes to these articles attract a ''lot'' of attention, so I am letting the idea simmer for a bit. Others advocate the same position, so maybe someone will take up the cause... - [[User:Mjb|mjb]] 04:15, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

::::: Well, we live in almost parallel worlds. :) My primary concerns for the moment is categorizing math articles. Have fun! [[User:Oleg Alexandrov|Oleg Alexandrov]] 04:21, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== Scheerer's phenomenon ==

Hi, I just wrote an article on the moving dots in the eye: [[blue field entoptic phenomenon]]. Cheers, [[User:AxelBoldt|AxelBoldt]] 22:53, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:That's awesome! Thanks! - [[User:Mjb|mjb]] 08:50, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== PITA ==

Ah, I see you've noticed our little friend [[User:Bobber1]] (and his many aliases) too. i've been tracking him for a bit and fixing what I can. May I ask how you noticed him? [[User:Soundguy99|Soundguy99]] 02:09, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

:The [[Thomas Kinkade]] article's discussion page indicated that the article needed cleanup, so the other day, I made some minor edits and added an 'attention' stub to it. Our friend came along today, not logged in, from two IP addresses ([[User talk:63.147.240.11|63.147.240.11]] and [[User talk:63.147.240.12|63.147.240.12]]), and removed the stub after making some minor edits of his own. The edits were not very good, but with some rephrasing and better linking, I let them stay. However, the removal of the stub was inappropriate; he clearly didn't read the discussion page, as his edits did nothing to address the concerns of those who were calling for the article's cleanup. I replaced the 'attention' stub, cleaned up his edits, and set out to add a 'test' stub to the user talk pages for those IPs. I found that someone had beaten me to it already. [[User talk:63.147.240.12]] didn't have any links to the other pages, so I added some, in the form of an enticement to check his messages.

:The IP addresses are apparently proxies for networks used by school districts somewhere in a 10-county region stretching north, west, and southwest from Ft. Worth, Texas. &mdash; [[User:Mjb|mjb]] 03:31, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Mmmmm. . . . . we may be "tracking" more than one problem user, then. Damn. That would, however, explain the occasional good edit from those two addresses. And the occasional "out-of-character" sheer vandalism. [[User:Bobber1]]/[[User:Bobber2]]'s work is characterized by a whole bunch of edits to the same article very quickly, many of them grammar or typo or link fixes. He apparently does not understand the "Preview" button. I didn't catch on to the ".12" address until today. The "edit quality" to [[Thomas Kinkade]], poor as it is, is ''much'' better than Bobber's usual style, so it may be another student; OTOH, given Kincade's association with Ralph Bakshi and Bobber's interest in animation, it is possible. Plus Bobber does have a tendency to remove tags/templates and to delete comments from talk pages. In fact, it was multiple removals of a template that got him a 24-hr block from [[User:RickK|RickK]] at the end of April. This was as Bobber2, and he promptly started editing as Bobber1; I don't think he understood the "24-hr" part. Or he didn't read it, since he remains singularly unresponsive to comments on his talk page (besides erasing them, that is).

So, hopefully, the kids'll be out of school soon and this will stop for a few months. I'm gonna do some research on various Wikipolicies; I'm wondering if we have any precedent about sysops or board members officially contacting schools to let them know that one or two specific students are using school computers to disrupt Wikipedia. Thanks for your response. [[User:Soundguy99|Soundguy99]] 06:11, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

== XML ==

Thanks for the cleanup on the Quick Syntax Tour for [[XML]] -- it looks great. [[User:Dpm64|David]] 01:28, 2005 Jun 18 (UTC)

==[[HTML]]==

Good idea with the comment. Let's hope it works. [[User:Rl|Rl]] 18:55, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Klaus Schulze and techno ==

It's more Trance &ndash; answered on [[Talk:Klaus Schulze]], updated pages.

&larr;<SUP>[[User:6|<U>#6&nbsp;&nbsp;</U>]]</SUP><SUB>[[User talk:6|''talk'']]</SUB> 19:24, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Character encoding ==

On the [[Talk:Character encoding]] page, you indicated that a bunch of char set tables had been archived to [[Talk:Character encoding/Archive 1]], but that page doesn't exist. The tables are still in the history and could just remain there, but then the Talk note should say something different. By the way, the text encoding removal was a good move. -[[User:R. S. Shaw|R. S. Shaw]] 28 June 2005 20:30 (UTC)

*Never mind - I copied the tables into the indicated page (duh) -[[User:R. S. Shaw|R. S. Shaw]] 28 June 2005 20:39 (UTC)

I've been having a lot of trouble getting edits to 'take' since the MediaWiki 1.5b1 upgrade went through yesterday. I will click on "Save page" and it will act as if I did "Show preview". I have to save multiple times before it will work. I was getting very frustrated when making those changes, and probably didn't notice that [[Talk:Character encoding/Archive 1]] never got saved. So thanks for following up on it. &mdash; [[User:Mjb|mjb]] 28 June 2005 21:17 (UTC)

== Your comment? ==

Hey Mike, kinda confused. The Styleguide page shows a change by you with the subject "Don't use contractions, really? sorry couldn't resist" -- so I thought I had a response from you to my rant about contractions...but I couldn't find anything. Yeah, I'm new. Was your comment just that subject line? I'm still a little lost with talk pages that are labeled "Discussion" (Why the F--- doesn't the tab say "Talk" if it's the Talk page, anyway?)

Ignore all this if it makes no sense -- [[User:DavidH|DavidH]] 1 July 2005 05:18 (UTC)

NEVERMIND, I just figured it out -- You changed my headline about contractions so it didn't have a contraction anymore. You rascal! Begone now and leave my rants alone!

BTW, I'm guessing that you don't go for stuffy style rules? Any real feelings on the contractions "rule"?

:[[User:DavidH|DavidH]] 1 July 2005 05:42 (UTC)

:Yeah, I was just making a joke by changing the heading so it didn't have a contraction. But then I used a contraction in my edit summary ("couldn't resist"). It would've been funnier and more poignant if I had written "could not resist," but it didn't occur to me until too late. Anyway, I'm in total agreement with you on the contraction issue.

:I'm not a big fan of ''strictly'' using "and so on" in place of "etc.", though, because we sometimes use et cetera to mean "and others" when talking about non-humans. "And so on" implies there is a common theme to the list, whereas "and others" would work better in some situations. The description of ''etc.'' in [[List of Latin phrases#E]] seems to agree, although the [[et cetera]] article doesn't mention this point. If it were up to me, I'd use "et al." for "and others," regardless of context, but for some reason that's just not the way things are done. :) &mdash; [[User:Mjb|mjb]] 1 July 2005 06:27 (UTC)

== EBCDIC ==

Saw your edit to my reference to EBCDIC in the ASCII article. My source was [[EBCDIC]] so you might want to correct that article as well. I had always thought ASCII was in part a response to the EBCDIC splitting of the alphabet; perhaps it was instead in response to earlier IBM formats. --[[User:66.92.74.252|66.92.74.252]] 20:49, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

:Thanks. I've gone ahead and cleaned up the EBCDIC article a little. &mdash; [[User:Mjb|mjb]] 00:19, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

== Ellipsis comment ==

I'm only an occassional user and a rare editor so my addition of more specific ellipsis programming uses followed the existing page style. You mentioned the use of periods. Of course this is typically because a langauge is edited with ASCII characters only. Should that point be connected?

--[[User:Laundrypowder|Laundrypowder]] 04:37, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

:I thought about mentioning that, but didn't want to conflate the discussion with too many details, and I am hesitant to make any statements about every single programming language, when I've only dealt with a half-dozen or so. I probably wouldn't object if someone else made such a statement, as long as it was sufficiently qualified (see below).

:As far as I know, right now, all programming languages use only ASCII-''range'' characters in their syntax, outside of string literals and comments. So yes, it's safe to say that the odds of finding a language that supports the horizontal ellipsis character, as opposed to two or three periods in a row, is pretty slim. But since programming languages and their source code parsers are becoming increasingly capable of supporting source code that is in non-ASCII encodings (Python 2.3 and up, for example, allows practically any encoding as long as it's declared), it is theoretically possible for an actual ellipsis character to be supported as an alternative to a series of periods. Will it happen? Probably not. But it's possible. :) &mdash; [[User:Mjb|mjb]] 05:38, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

::Same here. I've also had somewhat extensive and ranging experience but it's hard to sum up the possibilities of language representation without further discussion. I'm going to leave it until such a method comes to mind. --[[User:Laundrypowder|Laundrypowder]] 15:48, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Mjb, I thought that I'd mention the D language accepts unicode source files. [http://www.digitalmars.com/d/lex.html] is the direct link without frames. [[User:Laundrypowder|Laundrypowder]] 05:41, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

:Hmm. I think you are misunderstanding what I'm talking about. D doesn't appear to be any different than Python in this regard. The source code file can be in any encoding, but that doesn't mean that the ellipsis (or any other non-ASCII) character can be universally used in place of three periods. The only place you can enter the ellipsis character is in a string literal or comment. If you try to use the ellipsis character instead of the "<code>...</code>" punctuator token, you'll get a syntax error. The language tokens in C and D are all ASCII-based, even though in the source code text files they may be encoded with UTF-16 or whatever. As another example that might be less confusing, you can't use a minus sign (U+2212: "<code>&#8722;</code>") in place of the dash (U+002D: "<code>-</code>") in the expression "<code>x = x - 4</code>". &mdash; [[User:Mjb|mjb]] 07:44, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

::Oh no, I understood. That is indeed a very special case which probably shouldn't occur in any new language/enhancements as an ellipsis replacement. I just thought I'd mention the Unicode source support. [[User:Laundrypowder|Laundrypowder]] 14:27, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

:::Ah, gotcha. It's good to know that there is progress being made in that area. I can say that being able to save Python source code in different encodings has helped us with the development of [http://4suite.org/ 4Suite]. It's not very often that we need it, but when we do, it saves us from having to dumb-down the code to pure ASCII. &mdash; [[User:Mjb|mjb]] 18:16, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

== Talk:LSD ==

Hi there. You asked me a question on the LSD-talk page, which I answered. In return, I asked you one. Please answer it. Kind regards, --[[User:Twisturbed Tachyon|Twisturbed Tachyon]] 16:01, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

== Han unification ==

Hi, you reverted my edit on [[Han unification]].

Let me explain my point of view. As you pointed out in your Edit summary, there are important differences in the glyphs beyond the fact some browsers use a serif or sans-serif font. However, using e.g. Firefox on Windows XP, the browser chooses a serif font for some languages (e.g. traditional Chinese) and sans-serif for others (e.g. Japanese). This clearly takes the focus away from the important differences (shape / brush strokes). Using the same "type" of font (serif) on all languages makes it considerably easier to spot those differences between the languages, and therefore to understand what the article is actually going on about. [[User:Laug|laug]] 21:02, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

:You're right; I saw [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Han_unification&oldid=20134472 this version] of the article and thought that the serif specification was overriding the language tagging, making each column contain identical glyphs. Now I see that the glyphs did differ. However, I was also under the impression that stroke shape was important; for example, in practice, Korean text never so closely resembles Chinese, even when the stoke positions are the same. Am I mistaken? If so, then feel free to clarify in the article, and redo the serif font specifications. (Also, after I committed my edit, I saw that we were working on the article at the same time, so I apologize if I accidentally overwrote any of your edits.) &mdash; [[User:Mjb|mjb]] 23:13, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

::Well, the best would probably be to ask native speakers, to be sure. I can only speak for Japanese, which I have studied a little. However I believe:

::# the very names "serif" and "sans-serif" do not make much sense for Asian glyphs (as serif refers to the little bits at the end of letters in a traditional printing font (e.g. Times) compared to "simple" glyphs of e.g. Arial). Here the meaning of serif (for some browsers at least) is "Traditional esthetically pleasing font used in print (or what you would get using a brush)" where as sans-serif is "simplified, resembling characters hand written with a pen" (close to the original meaning of our ''italics''). See below.

::# This is outside the scope of the [[Han unification]] controversy. The various typefaces existed before Unicode and had different usages (as for English). I don't see this as being a difference between countries but rather depending on a choice of style for the writing.

::# Another problem is that MSIE totally ignores the (sans-)serif stuff.

::Anyway, I think unifying the type of font makes the chart and the whole article much easier to understand, as otherwise the reader may be misled into thinking "the evil Unicode is coding sans-serif and serif glyphs using the same character codes" (which is otherwise completely normal) and miss the actual subtle differences in the characters. [[User:Laug|laug]] 12:27, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

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== It should be noted that ==

THANK YOU so much for getting rid of these. The attitude behind that kind of writing is a scourge upon Wikipedia. When you're done, if you could also work on "note that" and "N.B." (the most pretentious of all), that would be awesome. [[User:Nohat|Nohat]] 07:21, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

: Yep, thanks. (The reader should, of course, keep in mind at all times that) I am in complete agreement -- this is one of my pet peeves on Wikipedia, so keep up the good work! [[User:Matt Crypto|&mdash; Matt <small>Crypto</small>]] 10:57, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

::Mjb -- I'm always interested in making writing efficient and readable, but can you say why you think "it should be noted that" is almost always unnecessary? Interestingly, my mother insists (that) the word ''that'' is in most cases unnecessary. While I can see her point it seems (that) many people are fond of using the word quite a bit - a cursory glance suggests (that) you're no exception. Point is, very interested, and this is one of the cool things about Wikipedia, but I'm not sold -- particularly since your edit altered the sense of the para .... though at the same time I must confess (that) the para needs a bit of re-working. Really interested to hear the reason for view. Take care [[User:Stephenhumphry|Stephenhumphry]] 11:07, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Stephenhumphry&mdash; I am not trying to alter the sense of any paragraph; I am just trying to drop the phrases that implore the reader not to miss a certain piece of information. I'm going through a lot of articles and making similar edits, and it's possible that I skimmed a few too quickly when deciding how best to handle the removal of "note that"/"it should be noted that". In the [[Rasch model]] article (I assume that's the one you're referring to), it looked, at first glance, like the statement that the reader was being encouraged to take notice of was actually a continuation of the preceding sentence, which sounded somewhat like an ordered argument/explanation, so I chose to use "furthermore", which in hindsight maybe was not ideal.

Most of the time, actually, no such substitution is necessary; the sentence can begin with whatever came after the "Note that&#8230;" and nothing is lost. Every once in a while, the sentence needs to start a new paragraph, because it's introducing a new topic. In a few cases I needed to do some relatively drastic rearranging, because the sentence was contradicting or muddying something that was said before.

Regarding "that", your mom is right; it is often unnecessary. It's not something I feel strongly about one way or the other. I don't enforce it in other people's writing, and probably am not consistent about it in my own, although obviously I prefer to use it more often than not. There are times when omitting it leaves a sentence sounding too informal, and there are times when including it makes a sentence sound too formal. I do feel strongly about using "that" instead of "which" when appropriate, though; there's a difference, and "that" is usually the better choice. Also, I prefer to read "in order to" rather than just "to", even though the shorter form is just as acceptable.

The problem I have with "It should be noted that", "please note" and the like is that it's often saying "''I, the author, would have failed to give you some crucial bit of information if you, the reader, were to stop reading at this point. I want to make sure you keep on reading so that I can tell you something that contradicts the invalid impression that I anticipate you've formed, thanks to my misleading or otherwise insufficiently informative prose up to this point.''" Other times, it's just introducing an example or other helpful followup that is perfectly fine without the phrase. This seems to happen mostly in the more technical, math-related articles, and is often just because the author is writing in a tutorial, classroom-lecture style: "Let us start with&#8230; Now we can see that&#8230; Look here and note how&#8230; Conclude from this that&#8230; Note, however, that&#8230;", and so on. I have mixed feelings about that writing style, so I am hesitant to gut it too much, but like I said, the 'take note' phrasing is usually unnecessary. Also, it is especially jarring if I see more than one "note that" in the same or successive paragraphs. It's like, "wait, how much do I have to 'note', and why is this stuff higher priority than the rest of the article?" I also often see parentheses being misused for similar purposes.

Basically, any time I see "note that", I imagine the sentence without it, and almost always conclude that it's superfluous, if not also reflecting poor organization. If it is truly crucial for the reader to note, lest they come away with some misunderstanding otherwise, then the information should not be tacked on as an afterthought. &mdash; [[User:Mjb|mjb]] 12:05, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

:Your lengthy explanation is welcome! Thanks for removing '' it should be noted that'' from my article [[vrata]]. There are some other phrases used in some other articles like ''needless to state that'', ''it is well-known that'' which are indeed superfluous. [[User:Apnavana|Apnavana]] 12:54, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

:Agree -- it is welcome. You are pretty much right, I'd used it in an attempt to pull back and say btw, this model involves the parameter I've just mentioned. Re-organization could well do the job. Cheers Mjb. Also, I agree with you on the use of ''that'' and on the use of parentheses, which rarely serve any real purpose in sentences. While we're on pet peeves, I'll throw another one ... the old "true x". You have enlightenment, then you have ''True enlightenment''. Reality and ''True Reality''. This is a person's way of saying 'my version of this concept is special and priveleged' ... only the person doesn't to let the description say this, the persons just slaps on a redundant true. Anyhow, sorry if I gave the impression I was complaining. As far as I'm concerned, you should go ahead and edit and I can sort it out. There is a problem, so you were right to do so. Thanks, good work.[[User:Stephenhumphry|Stephenhumphry]] 14:11, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

== Wal-Mart ==

I agree that the criticism summary is unsatisfactory. But I was not going to write something and then have it deleted by a wal-mart pr flak a few minutes later. I have re-edited the piece to bring the section closer to NPOV. It still needs some work but there has to be something more than a bland statement that some folk disagree with the company. The level of criticism of Wal-Mart is much higher than for comparable companies, in particular the criticism of union-busting activities and low pay.--[[User:Gorgonzilla|Gorgonzilla]] 15:49, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

==Wal-Mart criticism split==

I'm attempting to establish an solid consensus on whether or not to split ''Wal-Mart'' and ''Criticism of'' into separate articles. See the vote at [[Talk:Wal-Mart]]. [[User:Feco|Feco]] 21:00, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

:Thanks. I appreciate your efforts at diplomacy. &mdash; [[User:Mjb|mjb]] 21:29, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

== Odd character display ==

Mjb, would you mind taking a look at an off-topic for me? You'll notice the obvious confusion in the very last section of [[Talk:pinyin]]. Can you help explain what I'm seeing? Check the edit of that section to see my point. I'm a little new to wiki encodings and would like to be clear. I might start editing some of the angle of view and projection articles later which obviously can require special characters. [[User:Laundrypowder|Laundrypowder]] 22:07, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

:In Internet Explorer, I only saw boxes for the symbols, even when editing. In Firefox I saw unrecognizable symbols (sorta g-like, but very bitmappy and serify) at first. I went to edit the section, and they changed to the proper IPA symbols (relatively clean, narrow, and g-like). Thereafter they continued to look OK. I believe the problem is related to the font size; whatever font the symbol is coming from is bitmapped or just has no hinting or whatever, and thus does not scale well. If it is rendered slightly too small, it looks wonky. IPA symbols are known to be not very widely supported; I wish they (the Mediawiki folks) would figure out some kind of TeX-ish system for them like they do with math markup. &mdash; [[User:Mjb|mjb]] 01:44, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

::Ah, much appreciated. I have to say it's absolutely annoying and confusing to see the character change between page edits/views! Well the only issue with math markup methods is the size. You expect an equation to be somewhat separated, but you want individual characters rendered like a normal font. I didn't realize that IPA symbol was special though, I mistook it for a different character used as that.

::You don't want to see what a superscript looks like my screen. Unreadable at 1920x1200 (let's not talk about image-text alignment at that resolution). Now that I wouldn't mind rendered larger with some space! [[User:Laundrypowder|Laundrypowder]] 02:06, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

:Oh, hrm I seem to have missed something you said. Your 'properly' rendered symbol still looked like a g? What I've always seen in a 'proper' render was a very centered y where the tail came straight down and was kind of wide and fat -- this is what I assumed and called greek gamma γ but it is really ɡ .

== Dear divbox user ==

Hi! I'm pleased to see you've found a use for {{tl|divbox}}. I'm not so pleased to see you throw it inside another &lt;div&gt; to get it to float right. ''Not'' that there's anything wrong with the goal; I've wanted similar effects often and got them by subst-ing divbox, then editing the style. Both our solutions are a bit clumsy.

I'm thinking about a next-generation divbox and I'd like your commment at: [[Template talk:Divbox]]. &mdash; [[User:Xiong|Xiong]][[Special:Emailuser/Xiong|<font color="#997749">&#29066;</font>]][[User talk:Xiong|talk]][[Wikipedia:Deletion reform|<font color="#009900">*</font>]] 03:09, 2005 August 12 (UTC)

:Yeah, I'm probably going to delete the divbox from my user page; it was really just an experiment, and it has been pointed out to me (privately) that my comments in it are a bit, um, snarky :) I'll check out the divbox discussion. Thanks! &mdash; [[User:Mjb|mjb]] 03:33, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Anything you say, somebody will say it's snarky. Don't be buffaloed. If you think you need to tone down the box, do so, but why take it out altogether? Resist groupthink. &mdash; [[User:Xiong|Xiong]][[Special:Emailuser/Xiong|<font color="#997749">&#29066;</font>]][[User talk:Xiong|talk]][[Wikipedia:Deletion reform|<font color="#009900">*</font>]] 03:49, 2005 August 12 (UTC)

== IDM ==

Hey, thanks, but it's my pleasure. Every time somebody makes that article silly, I feel like it actually gets a little better than it was before through the cleanup. One day, it's going to be awesome. I still really need to do [[:Category:IDM Musicians]] and perhaps [[:Category:IDM Labels]] too, but I don't know how many articles would actually be in there. [[User:Junjk|Junjk]] 23:01, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

:Agreed re: the cleanup and continuing evolution of the article's quality. There's still much room for improvement. Defining IDM is hard, as it's defined more just by what it's ''not''. Regarding categories, I'd suggest calling the artist one [[:Category:IDM musicians]] (small 'm'), but run it by the powers that be first, because there are some who don't like to see initials in category names. They made an exception for [[:Category:DJs]] and its subcats though. I don't think there's enough notable IDM-only labels to warrant a category just for those yet. What you should probably work on first is converting [[List of electronic music record labels]] into [[:Category:Electronic music record labels]], nominate the list for deletion, and then maybe add a subcategory for the IDM labels, if there are enough. &mdash; [[User:Mjb|mjb]] 00:26, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

:I like the changes for IDM and the individual IDM artist pages. Looks a lot better! --[[User:Krovisser|Дрakюлa]][[User_talk:krovisser|^Talk]] 17:30, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

==ISO 8859 and Unicode==

Yes, that's what I meant (<grin>). Thanks for sorting it out. --[[User:Red King|Red King]] 11:45, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

==Unicode related articles==

''In my temporary workspace at [[User:Mjb/Character_encoding]], in late June 2005, I was preparing a list of character encoding related articles so that I could get a better handle on how to best recategorize them. The fruits of that labor are [[:Category:Unicode]] and [[:Category:Character Encodings]]), along with the deletion of the ambiguous Text Encodings category. The following question is about the former content of my workspace.''

:Should [[Template:Table Unicode]] be on pages that aren't in it and if not is it reasonable to expand it to this full list? [[User:Plugwash|Plugwash]] 21:10, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

::I remember looking at that table and wondering the same thing. Feel free to look through [[:Category:Unicode]] (which is more up-to-date than my temporary list) and see what you think. I don't have anything to do with that table and don't really see a need for it, personally. &mdash; [[User:Mjb|mjb]] 21:52, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

== cleaning ==

hi- noticed your work today cleaning up [[Psychedelics, dissociatives and deliriants]], and i just wanted to say thanks and keep up the good work! --[[User:Heah|Heah]] [[User_talk:Heah|(talk)]] 01:31, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

== Special characters at Latin-1 ==

Sorry about that, see [[User talk:Tox#Special characters]] for my full response. &mdash;[[User:Tox|Tox]] 06:16, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

== Percent encoding ==

Right. I'm surprised I could do such a mistake: I always use %7E instead of the tidle when writing an URL manually (the Italian keyboards do not have a tilde key)! I still don't like the sentence &ldquo;a mechanism for encoding information in a Uniform Resource Identifier under certain circumstances&rdquo;, but could not come up with a better (and correct) alternative. Maybe one can say that it is just an encoding, that can be used for encoding some parts of an URI, and that is necessary in some cases? [[User:Paolo Liberatore|Paolo Liberatore]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Paolo Liberatore|Talk]]) 15:30, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

:Yeah, that sentence can use some work, but I don't want to go into too much detail there, as the intro paragraph is supposed to be a concise summary. The "circumstances" are a bit tedious to explain in 1 sentence. Keep working on it, I guess. &mdash; [[User:Mjb|mjb]] 17:13, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

== xml links by [[Special:Contributions/81.68.98.163|81.68.98.163]] ==

Thanks for double checking my edits regarding external links on [[ISO/IEC 8859-1]] . I'm in over my head with those pages, but had reverted an external link addition to [[RSS (file format)]] by [[User_talk:81.68.98.163]] (advertising/linkspam) and was checking the rest of their [[Special:Contributions/81.68.98.163|contributions]], all of which are external link additions. With the exceptions of [[XML editor]] and [[XML]], which seem appropriate, and [[RSS (file format)]], which has already been removed; can you confirm that the rest of the contributions should be removed? Thanks! '''&there4;''' [[user:here|here]]&hellip;[[user_talk:here|&spades;]] 02:17, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

By the way, you co-admin hyperreal!? It's an honor to make your aquintance my friend ;). '''&there4;''' [[user:here|here]]&hellip;[[user_talk:here|&spades;]] 02:20, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

:They're all linkspam. For now I would leave the ones on [[XML]] and [[XML editor]] but all others should definitely be removed. The ones that linked to character set data are not providing any info that is not already in the articles, and they're misrepresenting the info anyway. They're just trying to get those links to their site established in order to boost their Google page rank. &mdash; [[User:Mjb|mjb]] 02:35, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

==Featured article review==

I noticed you are a major contributor to the [[ASCII]] article. This article is up for review at [[Wikipedia:Featured article review#Active reviews]]. Please look into this and state your expert opinion on the article's feature status, specifically identifying what should be developed further. Your opinion would be highly valued on this matter. --[[User:Maclean25|maclean25]] 04:27, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

==Re: Lil Louis==

Hi Mjb, my source about Lil Louis is ''[[Joel Whitburn]]'s Hot Dance/Disco 1974-2003'', ISBN 0-89820-156-X.

Louis' entry in the book reads, "Born Louis Burns in Chicago, Illinois. Noted DJ of Chicago dance club scene. Son of blues guitarist [[Bobby Sims]]." Hope that helps. -- [[User:Ericorbit|eo]] 00:06, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

==Dayton NPOV edit==

Let's not overreact about NPOV policy. Calling the [[Dayton, Ohio|Dayton]] Old Court House an "excellent example" of [[Greek Revival architecture]] is not a violation of [[WP:NPOV]] policy. This is not a controversial topic; there are no conflicting views. Disagree with the wording if you like, but please don't suggest that it's somehow biased. --[[User:Tysto|Tysto]] 06:46, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

:Let's not overreact about it, indeed. How is "excellent" anything but an opinion, and a boastful one at that? It doesn't matter if it's a popular opinion; it's unencyclopedic, so I removed it. &mdash; [[User:Mjb|mjb]] 08:42, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

==Joel Stein Edit==

Hello Mjb, I'm noticed that you removed the quotes [[Joel Stein]] made in his LA Times article and his Hugh Hewitt interview describing them as '''"quote being used for inflammatory purposes"'''....I am also wondering if EVERY quote in the Criticism secion under the Bill O'Reilly entry should also be removed based on the same criteria?

Please...enlighten me. Thanks!

[[User:Jeravicious|Jeravicious]] 02:28, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

:Perhaps, but plenty of people are interested enough in the Bill O'Reilly article to sort it out eventually, whereas the Joel Stein article is being curated by a relatively small number of us. Meanwhile, tell me what purpose is served by quoting the interview (which, as I mentioned in the edit summary, is already linked to). It seems to me like the intent is merely for its shock value and to sway the reader's opinion: "see? see what he said? isn't that outrageous?"

:On their own, and especially when taken in light of the fact that they appeared in an ''op-ed'' piece and an informal defense of it, Stein's statements aren't any more outrageous than the kinds of opinions that are published every day on the average blog, Web message board, or electronic mailing list. If the intent of the quote is truly benign, then how is that intent evident when the quote is presented without context? If you want to say that certain statements he made in a subsequent interview about the controversial column further provoked the ire of a certain demographic, then say that. You don't even need a specific quotation for that. In the meantime, don't expect that controversial quotes affixed to a bio without any indication of what point they are illustrating will last forever. &mdash; [[User:Mjb|mjb]] 03:14, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

::Mjb, I agree with everything you said. Suprising?? I only hope that the same rational judgement is applied to other Wikipedia entries with the biased POV left out. I added what I did to the Joel Stein entry more specifically to prove a point ''(the left leaning bias of Wikipedia)'' rather than under the belief that every person's statement or comment should exist in their Encyclopedia-style bio. We'll see if the same rationale is applied elsewhere...although I won't hold my breath. [[User:Jeravicious|Jeravicious]] 07:09, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

== Page name for temperature articles ==

To avoid flip-flopping between 'degree Fahrenheit' and 'Fahrenheit' or 'degree Celsius' and 'Celsius', I propose that we have a discussion on which we want. I see you have contributed on units of measurement, please express your opinion at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Units_of_measurement#Page_name_for_temperature_articles Talk:Units of measurement]. Thanks. [[User:Bobblewik|bobblewik]] 22:48, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

== IDM as "Intellectual Dance Music" ==

Hi,

Re: your "citationneeded" tag about my adding that IDM also means "Intellectual Dance Music" [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Intelligent_dance_music&diff=next&oldid=44148726 (diff)]

After my quick edit, I have opened a discussion about it on [[Talk:Intelligent dance music]]. Sorry, I should have opened the discussion first, and then referred to it in the edit's summary. Unfortunately, I don't have an authoritative online source/citation for it. I had read about it in some magazine years ago, which doesn't make for a good enough reference ;)

I hope the talk page will help to find someone with a paper reference. I would however add that IMO, in a worst case scenario (if nobody can provide reference), the article still should namecheck the alternative meaning, if only as "sometimes erroneously" or similar.

-- [[User:62.147.113.140|62.147.113.140]] 02:37, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

:No problem. I'm guessing the occasional use of "intellectual" rather than "intelligent" is in every case just the result of someone guessing or being confused about what IDM stands for, since it is almost always referred to as just the initials "IDM". When we started the IDM list, it was definitely "intelligent", a word which was the subject of many-a debate <code>:)</code> I didn't want to just drop it though because if people are using that term sometimes, then we should document it, but at the same time, avoid unintentionally promoting that usage. —[[User:Mjb|mjb]] 02:49, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

==[[Persian Jews]]==

I saw your comments [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Iran#Iranian_Jews here]. Well we're having the same problems down at the [[Persian Jews]] article. Could you keep an eye on this article and maybe help out? Thanks, [[User:Aucaman|'''Auca''']][[User:Aucaman/Esperanza|<font color="green">'''m'''</font>]][[User:Aucaman|'''an''']]^{[[User_talk:Aucaman|Talk]]} 19:08, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

==South Park City==

I just wanted to say thanks for your comment. I ran out of room on the edit summary line to complete my thought but am glad that you understood what I was trying to accomplish. I grew up SW of the Conifer area and went to the same schools as Trey although about 12 years before he did. I have taken the drive to Fairplay many times as it is one of Colorado's true scenic trips. I still take people to South Park City museum to give them a flavor of Colorado history. There is an understandable amount of confusion on the net about just exactly where the show takes place (for instance ___location wise Fairplay fits the bill but physically the town is more like the Conifer/Aspen Park area) and I try to set things as straight as I can here at wikipedia (though I can make errors just as easily as the next person). One of the fun things, for me, about the show is how well they recreate the geography of, what is called, the 285 corridor. 'The Return of the Fellowship of the Ring to the Two Towers' has parts of the drive between Fairplay and Conifer down cold and their takeoff on the Casa Bonita restaurant is hilariously correct. Well thanks again for your comment and keep up the good work here at WikiP.[[User:MarnetteD]] | [[User talk:MarnetteD|Talk]] 19:18, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

:Gosh I didn't read your user page til after I had typed the message above. You live in Colorado too and, so, are probably aware of everything I said. Apologies for boring you with stuff you already new but have a great day anyway.[[User:MarnetteD]] | [[User talk:MarnetteD|Talk]] 19:22, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

== www.asciilist.com on ASCII ==

Mike,

Could you please reconsider your removal of some of the External Links on the ASCII article? Two of the recently removed links were quite relevant to the subject matter and add value to the article. One of the most common things that people are looking for when searching for ASCII (as far as programmers go, at least) is a well-formatted ASCII table. A good one is more difficult to find than you might think. The table in the article itself is split up into several tables, making it somewhat difficult to find what you are looking for at a glance. My revert was not ment to start an editing war or anything; I had just assumed that the removal was a mistake as the page is relevant.

Thanks,

Will

:Will, please take this up on [[Talk:ASCII]], but I doubt you'll get far. You are clearly the owner of asciilist.com and are just trying to drive traffic to your site. I happen to maintain a useful and relevant document on my own site, too: the only complete HTML translation of ''[http://skew.org/xml/specs/iso-646-c0.html The set of control characters of ISO 646]'' (the PDF original, rather than my version, is linked to from the [[ASCII]] article)…but I am quite content to allow mine to show up as #2 in a [http://www.google.com/search?q=iso+646+control+characters Google search for ''iso 646 control characters''] all on its own.—[[User:Mjb|mjb]] 04:44, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

:'''If''' we have a link to www.asciilist.com, I suggest that it should be to the '''printer-friendly''' version of the ASCII table. It's more useful, and doesn't have those annoying advertisements. Cheers, [[User:Chris Chittleborough|Chris Chittleborough]] 04:14, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

::Chris, see my comments on [[Talk:ASCII]]. :)—[[User:Mjb|mjb]] 04:44, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

:::Sorry for not making myself clear. I completely agree with what you say there, and with what you've done. I've commented further at [[Talk:ASCII]]. Thanks, [[User:Chris Chittleborough|Chris Chittleborough]] 07:07, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

==Re: Template:Main==

Please don't subst this template. Doing so defeats the whole purpose. I re-wrote it to use [[m:ParserFunctions]] so it can take 1-5 parameters. Some random examples:

:<tt>{&#123;main|George W. Bush|United States}}</tt>

:{{main|George W. Bush|United States}}

:<tt>{&#123;main|George W. Bush|United States|President|Washington, D.C.|Dick Cheney}}</tt>

:{{main|George W. Bush|United States|President|Washington, D.C.|Dick Cheney}}

This makes it easy for people to re-order the articles, or remove a few, without messing up the format, grammar, and punctuation of the section sub-heading, which is the whole point of having a template. Also, it does so without extra template calls, as in the previous {{[[Template:qif|qif]]}} method. Perhaps I should have updated the talk page to reflect this, but I didn't think anybody would actually read it. — <small>Apr. 28, '06</small> <tt class=plainlinks>'''[19:42] <[{{fullurl:user:freakofnurture}} freakofnur_xture][[special:contributions/freakofnurture||]][{{fullurl:user talk:freakofnurture|action=edit&section=new}} talk]>'''</tt>