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==Note to self: new sources==
*{{cite book |last1=Akçam |first1=Taner |title=The Cambridge World History of Genocide: Volume 3: Genocide in the Contemporary Era, 1914–2020 |date=2023 |publisher=Cambridge University Press |isbn=978-1-108-76711-8 |pages=67–92 |chapter=The Armenian Genocide: An Overview}}
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== Turks massacred by Armenian gangs ==
Can you add information about massacre of Turks by Armenian gangs? These are documented in books, articles and archival materials. Best regards. [[Special:Contributions/95.12.115.163|95.12.115.163]] ([[User talk:95.12.115.163|talk]]) 20:50, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
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:@[[User:95.12.115.163|95.12.115.163]] you heard my voice [[Special:Contributions/85.107.73.92|85.107.73.92]] ([[User talk:85.107.73.92|talk]]) 00:26, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
== Why only focus on Armenian deaths? ==
There are many historical events similar to the Armenian relocation. In World War One, 2.5m Ottoman Muslims were killed. Why are we just focusing on this special group alone? We should give due weight to all deaths equally. All of them were human beings. And it doesn't matter if they were Christians, Muslims, Jews or Buddhists; they were killed. So, this article should mention them. [[Special:Contributions/95.12.115.163|95.12.115.163]] ([[User talk:95.12.115.163|talk]]) 21:05, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
:This article is called "Armenian genocide". Therefore, it is about the genocide of ''Armenian'' people. — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">music</i>]])''</sup> 21:57, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
::It ought to be included as an introduction to the historical context, just as it was incompletely done in this case - and since the example given is actually relevant to this topic. [[User:Jirozki|Jirozki]] ([[User talk:Jirozki|talk]]) 06:07, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
:How did I know this would be a Turkish IP address even before I checked?—[[User:Chowbok|<span style="background:black; color:white; font-weight: bold;">Chowbok</span>]] [[User talk:Chowbok|<span style="color:black;">☠</span>]] 04:34, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
:I really think you Turks have trouble understanding EXACTLY what genocide is. It's not just 'people dying'. It's a deliberate campaign to destroy a people. Look it up. [[Special:Contributions/2A0A:EF40:425:D901:B31B:5034:54A:3AEE|2A0A:EF40:425:D901:B31B:5034:54A:3AEE]] ([[User talk:2A0A:EF40:425:D901:B31B:5034:54A:3AEE|talk]]) 14:55, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Enough. Since this is persistent, I have partial-blocked that entire IP range from this article and its talk page for 6 months. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:37, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
== "[[:Turkish massacre]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] ==
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== Dates ==
One of the main reasons I opposed the infobox is that different sources give different dates for the event. We could find sources for 1916, 1917,1918, 1920,1923,or even the present day (indeed there is a high quality source that makes this argument). We can't fit such nuances in the infobox and the note added by {{u|Arctic Circle System}} only makes it more confusing without really explaining why opinions differ on this point (and indeed most of the other fields in the infobox.) I would be happy to delete it again but either way the note has to go. ([[User talk:Buidhe|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Buidhe|c]]) '''[[User:buidhe|<span style="color: black">buidhe</span>]]''' 06:50, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
:I suppose that makes sense, though given the explicit motive of the Turkish invasion of Armenia, it seems like a pretty significant omission. [[User:Arctic Circle System|Arctic Circle System]] ([[User talk:Arctic Circle System|talk]]) 07:27, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
::The point I was trying to make is that a wide range of views on what is considered part of the genocide, for example, mass killings mostly stopped in late 1916 or early 1917, the end of the war and liberation of most survivors in 1918, 1918 Ottoman invasion of Armenia, the end of most fighting involving Armenians in 1920 (with large scale massacres both in Cilicia and eastern Armenia), victory of Kemal in 1923, etc. Most sources don't take Karabekir's campaign as the end so the only suitable explanation is currently found in the Aftermath section. We're agnostic about on what is part of the genocide in the article text as I feel like the historiographical debate is not necessary to understand the event ([[User talk:Buidhe|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Buidhe|c]]) '''[[User:buidhe|<span style="color: black">buidhe</span>]]''' 12:22, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
:::That is true, though with Karabekir's campaign in mind, I don't think 1917 is a suitable end date. Maybe 1923 similar to [[Greek genocide]] with a note pointing to the Aftermath section for further explanation? [[User:Arctic Circle System|Arctic Circle System]] ([[User talk:Arctic Circle System|talk]]) 06:09, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
::::The majority of sources say 1916 or 1917. ([[User talk:Buidhe|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Buidhe|c]]) '''[[User:buidhe|<span style="color: black">buidhe</span>]]''' 06:22, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{Ping|buidhe}} Why's that? And what of Karabekir's campaign, which had a clear genocidal aim? Should that be considered separately rather than as part of the Armenian genocide described on this page? [[User:Arctic Circle System|Arctic Circle System]] ([[User talk:Arctic Circle System|talk]]) 17:31, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
::::::The 1920 campaign is already covered in its own article [[Turkish-Armenian War]]. ([[User talk:Buidhe|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Buidhe|c]]) '''[[User:buidhe|<span style="color: black">buidhe</span>]]''' 18:47, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
:::::::{{ping|Buidhe}} I mean in relation to the events from 1915-1917 and this article. I know that has its own article, but so do various parts of the Armenian genocide. What I'm asking I guess is should Karabekir's campaign be treated as a separate but related genocide or part of this? [[User:Arctic Circle System|Arctic Circle System]] ([[User talk:Arctic Circle System|talk]]) 04:56, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I think you could argue about it either way, which is why it's covered here but with deliberate ambiguity as to whether it is part of the "Armenian genocide" or a related/aftermath event. ([[User talk:Buidhe|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Buidhe|c]]) '''[[User:buidhe|<span style="color: black">buidhe</span>]]''' 05:16, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
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