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I think the cleanup tag can be removed. The page has roughly tripled in size and quality from December 2005. [[User:Dslotman|Dslotman]]
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:I think your change is fine, unless we decide to go into more detail (unlikely). [[User:Ladlergo|Ladlergo]] 12:22, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
::After rereading that section, I agree with your conclusion--the Logrus (and probably the Pattern) both believe they could easily beat Ghostwheel at the price of weakening themselves. My memory was probably biased by how much I like Ghostwheel. Feel free to edit it in that direction; perhaps something like: "...Ghostwheel had developed enough that his support of Merlin <i>temporarily</i> forced the Pattern and the Logrus to treat the pair <i>with greater respect than mere pawns.</i>" (Changes in italics) [[User:Dslotman|Dslotman]] 16:47, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
:::I'll let my brain mull on it for a while. I'm not sure of the best way to phrase it. [[User:Ladlergo|Ladlergo]] 15:56, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
==Ghostwheel separate or under Powers?==
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I'd keep Ghostwheel separate because it is its own entity and it is interesting in and of itself. On the other hand, Merlin's Spikards and Frakir are only interesting because of their association with him. If there is more to say about them, they can be separated, but Merlin's powers are somewhat minimal when separated from his power items. [[User:Dslotman|Dslotman]] 20:33, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
It seems dubious (at best) to claim Merlin created Ghostwheel for the "protection of Amber." I at least recall nothing in his motivation that would warrant such a strong statement. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Armon200|Armon200]] ([[User talk:Armon200|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Armon200|contribs]]) 00:08, 9 February 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
==Ghostwheel -- Origin of the name==
Interestingly, Ghostwheel seems to take its name from [[Gilgal Refaim]], which in Hebrew <i>literally means </i> Ghostwheel.
I wasn't aware of this when I read the books, although that was a long time ago. Perhaps this should be noted? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/85.65.213.58|85.65.213.58]] ([[User talk:85.65.213.58|talk]]) 22:26, 11 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
==Attunement To The Jewel Of Judgement==
Merlin is not listed as having been attuned to the Jewel, under his list of powers.
He describes the process of becoming attuned to it, and later states "I'm even a little leery over how the Logrus will take to me, with this higher order Pattern attunement I'm wearing.", in Knight Of Shadows, Ch. 9. Later still, Ghostwheel comments upon it, I believe, when saying that he too went to the Crystal Cave to do the same. Further in the book, he makes several comments about the pattern in the Jewel, and relies on its protection from Amber's Pattern after he removes the Jewel.
Now, I am aware of the (to me, at least) obvious contradiction at the start of Prince Of Chaos, wherein he says he is only aware of how attunement works because of how his father described it, and that the Jewel seems to reject him with "Go no further" ... "You are denied the higher initiation."
How is this seeming inconsistency usually resolved? Or is it? I would personally resolve it in favor of the earlier book, since without the power thus obtained, the character would not have lived to the latter book. Shouldn't there be at least some listing of this under his powers, with perhaps a note about its reliability? [[User:Tacticus|Tacticus]] ([[User talk:Tacticus|talk]]) 09:00, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
:Yeah. There's also a bit a little later in Prince of Chaos where Ghostwheel remarks on its own attunement to the Jewel; if Merlin had actually been denied attunement, you'd think he would have remarked at that point. For the inconsistency to be real you have to assume at least two different things: one, Merlin temporarily forgot he was attuned, perhaps due to confusion from the compulsion spell on the spikard, and then later forgot that he had forgotten; two, the Jewel did actually refuse him a second attunement. Maybe you are only allowed one? Maybe the Jewel in Coral's eye is a fake or shadow? Dunno. Anyway, that's a lot of maybes; Occam's Razor says it's just a mistake by Zelazny. [[User:Jef poskanzer|Jef]] ([[User talk:Jef poskanzer|talk]]) 13:21, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
==No listing for Mandor in his brothers==
This page lists him as only having two half brothers: Despil and Jurt. While Mandor is more in the nature of a step-brother, Merlin certainly considers him to be his brother, and introduces him as such at every opportunity. Should we not then list that thing somewhere?
[[User:Tacticus|Tacticus]] ([[User talk:Tacticus|talk]]) 13:48, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
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