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==Welcome==

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== [[Chandrabindu (band)]] ==

Images are thumbed so that readers can choose whether or not to see the large versions, and to make pages load more quickly (especially important for people on dial-up). Increasing the size of a thumbed image defeats the object. --[[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]] ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">Μελ Ετητης</fontspan>]]) 13:15, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

*You will notice that a very large number of images in Wikipedia are not thumbed. Aesthetic considerations must be taken into account, and that image looks horribly ugly when thumbed. It is not Wikipedia policy or guideline to thumb images, we must select whatever looks better. Please keep the image in a size sufficiently large to look good. [[User:Loom91|Loom91]] 15:17, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

::That it looks "horribly ugly" is a matter of opinion (not mine); that it causes loading of the page to slow down is a matter of fact. You also keep reverting to the dubious claim about the fame of something that most readers won't have come across, and a piece in odd English about another band, which isn't obviously relevant in this article. --[[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]] ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">Μελ Ετητης</fontspan>]]) 16:03, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

#Again, that the image causes the page to load more slowly when it's increased in size is a fact, not a a Wikipedia policy. That other articles have (often ridiculously) over-sized images is true, and they also need to be reduced. I do it when I come across them, and there is rarely any complaint.

#The material about Mohiner Ghoraguli belongs in [[Bangla band]]s, not in this article.

#Concerning the use of "famous", you make the point perfectly; it's subjective (or, at least, culturally relative). It would make sense to tell the reader that it's famous among readers of Bengali literature, but not siomply to state that it's famous; those for who it is famous will know that alreasy, and those for whom it isn't will disagree. --[[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]] ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">Μελ Ετητης</fontspan>]]) 08:22, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

So far we've compromised on the image size and agreed on "famous". Just two to go, one of which isn't mentioned above.

#As explained at [[Wikipedia:Use subheadings sparingly ]], subheadings should be used... well, sparingly. You're trying to introdcue an unnecessary subheading that creates a two-sentence, line-and-a-third section. Why?

#The text that you keep trying to introduce is: "Though the title of first Bangla Band in ''epar Bangla''(West Bengal in India) is usually given to ''[[Mohiner Ghoraguli]]'', they came long before the popularisation of Bangla Bands, lone rangers in a hostile enviorment." This is both irrelevant to Chandrabindu and poorly written and presented. Leaving aside the spelling and spacing, the "lone rangers" stuff is purplish and unencyclop&aelig;dic. The main problem, though, is the irrelevance; it's relevant to the kind of music, not this specific band. --[[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]] ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">Μελ Ετητης</fontspan>]]) 15:07, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

==Hi==

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:: I'm not spamming user pages and the policy explicitly forbids anything against US law, so both of these claims are baseless. I've not violated any Wikipedia policies, so I do not see how I can get blocked. [[User:Loom91|Loom91]] 17:46, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree, I seemed to have misunderstood the poll. --[[User:OrbitOne|<big><big><fontspan facestyle="font-family:Brush Script MT"; color=":blue;">Orbit</fontspan><fontspan facestyle="font-family:Brush Script MT"; color=":green;">One</fontspan></big></big>]] ^{[<span style="color:red">[[User talk:OrbitOne|Talk]]</span>|<span style="color:gold">[[User:OrbitOne/Translations|Babel]]</span>]} 03:44, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

== Blocked - disruption ==

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***When I noticed the message to me, I immediately thought about my userboxes. One automatically puts me into [[:Category:Wikipedians_against_censorship]]. I looked at your contributions, and looked at that category, and when I noticed the overlap on the first couple ones, decided not to contribute. I looked at the page I was being directed to, and it has some stuff that sounds like voting, so I'm going to stay out of it for fear of this being a form of vote stacking. I suspect Commander Keane may have noticed this same pattern, and that's probably why they are asking you. I -am- interested in censorship topics, and this message would have been appreciated if you had said why you picked to message me instead of somebody else. But without telling me, I have to guess that you just were messaging everyone in [[:Category:Wikipedians_against_censorship]]. --[[User:Atari2600tim|Atari2600tim]] ([[User talk:Atari2600tim|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Atari2600tim|contribs]]) 09:31, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

A number of people (including me) attested to the fact that the messages weren't unwanted, and disputed the claim of disruption and the application of an editing block. I think that, at the very least, this should be discussed (perhaps at [[Wikipedia talk:Blocking policy]] before another block is imposed. --[[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]] ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">Μελ Ετητης</fontspan>]]) 11:07, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

:I'll add my name to the list of people who appreciated the message. Two more points: first, this is a discussion we should have had ''before'' Loom91 was blocked, not after (yes, I know he was warned, but it would have been constructive if the blocking parties had tried to find ''anyone'' who felt their user page was disrupted). Second, the block happened within a day of Sam Korn's RfC being deleted by Phil Welsh, over a technicality. The RfC was based on Sam Korn's action deleting an image, a move that already violated policies on consensus, and would easily fall under the proposed Censorship policy, on which a vote was being held (the reason for the talk page messages in the first place). If nothing else these two events together created a bad... I dunno... aura. :-/ -[[User:AK7|AK7]] 13:01, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

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== IP addresses ==

I don't know, I'm afraid. You could try [[WP:AN]], or [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)]]. --[[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]] ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">Μελ Ετητης</fontspan>]]) 18:27, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

== Re: A technical request for information ==

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*:amar boyosh 16. Ami Santiniketan e Patha Bhavan e portam. Ekhon grade 11 e Toronto, Canada e pori. Apni/Tumi/Tui(please pick) kon classe poren/poro/poris? kon school? Ami Canada e babar songe thaaki. Aachcha, East Calcutta Wetlands niye ekta article kora jaye na? aar bangali user ther jonno ekta board thaka dorkar! ami International Baccalaurerate pori. Kolkata te school ekta khulbe ei program niye. Pailan school mone hoi. Amar kolkatar notun generation niye boroi chinta. Ami kina gramer manush. ei dhoro fossils aar cactus, babba ki shaaj! Amar rock gaaner kono apotti nei. Ami nijei guitar bajayi. kintu amar mone hoi na ei shob bangali torun toruni jara nijeder ke khoob rocker bhabe, shotti kore rock philosphy ba history jaane. ottonto dukkher kotha. Eder ke shikkhito kora chai. lol. nijer kotha bolte giye opinion niye kothaye chole gelam!

[[User:BengalRenaissanceEccentrica|BengalRenaissanceEccentrica]] 03:37, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

**::I pick tui :) Amio tor grade, [[Hare School]]. Ki ki subject niechhis? Article to onek kichhu niei kora jar, what one needs is time and effort. It's not easy getting information on the East Calcutta Wet Lands. It's even more dificult finding reputable sources for that information. Ei to recently South City wetlands-er opor bari banachhilo bole court-e onek jhamela holo. Kichhu labh hobe na, ei somosto big budget project sobai politically backed, ja korar thiki korbe.

:::Have you ever listened to [[Fossils (band)]]? Except a few songs, the lyrics are outright ridiculous. Their lyricist once said that their lyrics were based on introspection. A very strange sort of introspection it must be, for usually the lines don't have any meaning. I'm not talking about any inner meaning or message, the sentences simply don't mean anything! Fossils have produced only two songs of some quality. Cactus otota kharap noi, but good quality songs sei hate gona koekti. Aar jokhon stage gae tokhon to dekhlei hasi pae :D Amar favorite bangla band [[Chandrabindu (band)]]. Lyrics gulo darun mojar lekhe [[Chandril]]. Tor favorite musician/musical group ki?

::::The active Bangla population is growing in Wikipedia. How about opening a [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Bangla]]? One of the energetic folk like Dwaipyanak or Ragib may do it with some encouragement:) [[User:Loom91|Loom91]] 05:33, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

***:::Hi! Sorry that I am intervening! Please go on with an article on East Calcutta Wetlands. In fact, I had some mention of it in [[Kolkata]], but had to remove on certain grounds. (eg most of them have been converted to ''gheri'' or ''bheri'', the fishing farms. So by truest definition, they are not probably wetlands! At least, not wild wetlands. This was ponted out by {{User|Nichalp}} in peer review, and I had to agree and modify. Also, the ever increasing size of the article was a concern.)

:::AFAIK, an International Baccalaurerate school is there in Kolkata, not sure if it's in Poilan.

:::Bengali user board is a great idea. You can develope a West Bengal portal, from where there will be links to articles as well as boards. See [[Portal:Kerala]] for guidance. Please also see [[Portal:India]] and [[Portal:Bangladesh]]. In fact, you can consult with users from Bangladesh, if you are intersted in creating a common Bengali board. {{user|Ragib}} and {{User|Shmitra}} are very active users from Bangladesh, besides many more.

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****::::As requested by [[User:Dwaipayanc|Dwaipayanc]], I shall try to limit my overly long ramblings in Bengali as much as I can. lol. I am taking Higher level English, Math and Chemistry and Standard Level Geography, French and Physics. I am quite angered by the way the West Bengal government deals with the environment. and they call themselves communist when they allow all these retarded shenanigans going on that help retards make money off of the environment and other people. i.e. Sonar Tori, Santiniketan. I can't stand how people are all happy and dandy about rich retards taking over the very very rare [[khoai]]. I do not deal with these things with a kind heart...

::::Anyways, to a lighter topic. The only bangla bands that I truly like are [[Bhumi]] and [[Mohiner Ghoraguli]]. Others I look at with extreme criticism....this is just my opinion, but i think that a lot of these Bengali rockers are [[posers]]. And [[Fossils]] are the posterboys for Bengali posers. Musicians that I really love are [[Led Zeppelin]], [[Janis Joplin]], [[The Doors]], [[Queen]], [[AC/DC]], [[Soundgarden]], [[Nirvana]], [[Queens of the Stone Age]], [[Audioslave]], [[The White Stripes]], [[The Strokes]] and [[System of A Down]]. I also starting to really like [[Magneta Lane]]. When I tell these to other people in India, they are surprised and they are like "err...aren't you from Santiniketan? How did this come about?" And in Canada, people are wierded out because according to stereotypes Indians don't like rock music. I am still however a huge fan of Indian music. I learned Hindustani Vocal Classical Music since I was six. I am a hardcore bhatiali and baul music fan. I am from Santiniketan after all: a child of the red earth. And I am obsessive over Bengali literature and often times I have many interesting interpretations of works that have not been studied very much on a critical, analytical and academic level. For example, I find so much social commentary on Sukumar Roy's work. And in Rabindranath Tagore's work too, I find a sort of Gothic tone, and sometimes misanthropic principles and philosophies, as well as rejection of traditions and society sort of ideas, which I of course rejoice. Yes. I am what Bengalis would call an "antel" oh and can I be in Wikiproject Bengal?[[User:BengalRenaissanceEccentrica|BengalRenaissanceEccentrica]] 21:29, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

*****::::: I don't see what lack of concern for the enviorment has to do with being a communist. Marx was not known to be an enviormentalist :) They are not communists, but the reasons have nothing to do with how they treat the enviorment. I'm also a most eminente and most noblest antel :D Thakur's work is of course very philosophical, but I never felt the same way about [[Sukumar Roy]]. I find him to be a brilliant writer ([[HaJaBaRaLa]] and [[Chalachittochanchari]] are probably my favorites), but not full of a critical take on the social dogmas like Lewis Carol. What sort of commentary did you find in his work?

:::::I have to comment on something, I haven't ever heard of most of the groups you named. But I listen to English music a lot (I'm in fact musically tri-lingual). Vocal classical, huh? I can do that too. Let's see, aaah, aaaaaah... Umm, why are those dogs barking?

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:::::Also, I find that the Bangla project had previously been created at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Bengal]] but has become inactive due to the lack of participants. [[User:Loom91|Loom91]] 11:42, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

*******:::::::In this post, I shall address each of what you said one by one. lol. Marx wasn't an environmentalist. true. what i meant was that the WB government has started to do things for solely for the sake of money. For example, truely what kind of people would get a benefit out of something like sonar tori. The rich of course! Oh how i wish those buildings just evaporate into thin air! As for Sukumar Ray, since I have lots to say, and believe me, lots, what ill do is on my free time ill find a list of social commentaries and write an essay on it and then ill put it up somewhere. Have you read "Shrishrishobdokolpadroom" and "Chalochitto Chanchori"? Both deal with the problem of knowledge and scholasticism and the fight between different schools of thought...with a satirical tone of course, but that is the aspect that makes it a social commentary. I understand why you dont know most of the groups I named. A lot of them are [[indie]] bands for Canada, US and UK. I dont know why you dont get them in india. I would guess its probably because most people like pop and hip-hop better. But these bands are really really great and I suggest you check them out. Other than my vocal classical skills, did you know that i can precisely imitate goats? oh yes. Its one of my well-hidden gifts. Sometimes, when I am in Santiniketan, I start doing it and all the stray goats in the neighbourhood/village congregate around my house and join me in unison. If you are ever to visit Santiniketan and see such event, you can now be sure it is only me. As for my uncommon combination of subjects, it is due to the way the [[International Baccalaureate Diploma]] program is structured. Each candidate must take at least one subject from the six subject areas (First Language, Second Language, Social Sciences, Experimental Sciences, Mathematics, and Arts) or he or she can take an additional social science or experimental science instead of an art. So that is why I have two sciences (Physics and Chemistry), a first language (english, although in reality my first language is bangla), a second language (french), a social science (geography), and mathematics. Basically in the IB program, even if you were going into the humanities, you would still have to take math and at least one science. The philosophy is to make a well-rounded person. Anyways. I enjoy geography too. It's just so much fun learning about how Ethiopian farmers starve to death while, north americans die of eating too much. the IB geography course in the standard level focuses more on the demographic and economic aspects so i dont have to really memorize paths of rivers and stremas. I truly enjoy it. English and French are awesome as well. I love [[existentialism]]. And in the math curriculum, we do calculus, statistics as well as geometry and algebra. So more or less, you and I are studying the same things. I LOVE math. anyways...as for my name, I am Aadita Chaudhury. Aadita means "shrishtir prothom" in Sanskrit. I am equivalent to the Biblican [[Eve]] or [[Lilith]], whichever you prefer. I personally like [[Lilith]] better. anyways. Do you come on yahoo or msn messenger? you can add me at [e-mail]...i also have an msn..but i wont say it here for the world to see. lol. Bye [[User:BengalRenaissanceEccentrica|BengalRenaissanceEccentrica]] 23:07, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

********:::::::: Chalochittochanchari is my favorite Ray after HaJaBaRaLa. Remember Naxvomica-30? :D I have both a Yahoo! and a MSN ID, but I don't have nearly enough time to be actually active on those. After the studies, I barely find enough time to do daily maintenance tasks on the net. I'm severely alarming myself with the amount I'm studying, and I'm trying to motivate myself to put in a few more hours daily to cope with the pressure of preparing for IIT-JEE. I'm told that students start preparing for it from class 7, how horrible! Of my current teachers, only the Physics teacher seems to teach at the level of IIT-JEE, and that's a cause of concern. I'm particularly worried about my chemistry teacher, who knows a lot about chemistry (he's doing research on Inorganic Reaction Mechanism in JU) but seems to have a low faith in the abilities of his students and has set his standards very low. Anyway, I've rambled a lot about my studies. Do you know, I'm credited as the camera assistant in a Bangla Existensialist movie *gloat* :) Do you ever come to India? [[User:Loom91|Loom91]] 18:38, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

::::::::: Wow...the obsession with IIT-JEE. Sucks the last drop of life out of us children doesn't it? My goodness, you haven't even started class 11 and you are already worried about JEE? wow...and those people who start preparing from class 7....wow...that is my only comment. I cannot sometimes understand the need to get tutors....it just takes away everything...all free time...hobbies etc. Man that really sucks big time. oh and for which movie were you the camera assistant? The last movie I saw was 15 park avenue. That was in February. lol. And yes, I come to India every year for two months. This year, I shall be as well, but specifically to research on my [[Extended Essay]]. I am arriving on June 25. [[User:BengalRenaissanceEccentrica|BengalRenaissanceEccentrica]] 22:23, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::: Actually I find tutors to be important. They help me to focus my studies and provide guidance. They also let me experience better teachers when the teachers from my own school are not so good. My existensialist movie hasn't released yet, I believe it's due sometime in August or September. What are you writing your EE on? [[User:Loom91|Loom91]] 11:55, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

::::::::: my EE is most likely on either wastewater management in west bengal or the crisis of groundwater arsenic contamination and possible solutions. what's ur movie called? oh i have been wanting to ask...which bangla band is the going through its 15 minutes of fame at the moment? [[User:BengalRenaissanceEccentrica|BengalRenaissanceEccentrica]] 01:36, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

== Hello ==

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There's no time limit. The only relevant factor is whether or not notability is ''claimed'': if it is, the article can't be speedily deleted by an admin, but has to be taken to [[WP:AFD]]. There's a 48-hour limit for speedily deleting a copyright violation, but I think that that's the only case where any such limit applies.

Advice to admins includes being cautious about speedily deleting an article on grounds of non-notability when a number of editors have edited it, which might in effect create a time limit. --[[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]] ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">Μελ Ετητης</fontspan>]]) 20:55, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

:No, again, no time limit. ''Many'' AfDs are opened on articles that have been around for a long time; the only limitation of opening an AfD is that it should be opened in good faith (ruling out AfDs that violate [[WP:POINT]], and often AfDs that are opened too soon after an article has passed an earlier vote). --[[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]] ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">Μελ Ετητης</fontspan>]]) 08:31, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

==Re:[[Suman]]==

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I consider this to be well intentioned but misguided. Our style guides say, that all articles should start with an accessable introduction, when an article gets long and technical, it should be considered to split off the technical parts, not the introduction. --[[User:Pjacobi|Pjacobi]] 12:04, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

==Reference Kolkata==

Please see my reply in Kolkata talk page i reply to your message there, regsrding the refrences. When you replace inotes with ref format, please use [[Template:Cite web]] or [[Template:Cite news]] as applicable. These have been used in the rest of the article and provide comprehensive info on the cited sources. Regards.--[[User:Dwaipayanc|Dwaipayan]] ([[User_talk:Dwaipayanc|talk]]) 15:14, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

==Darjeeling==

Hi! Could you please have a quick look of [[Darjeeling]]? Please give your suggestions in the article's [[Talk:Darjeeling|talk page]]. This is for an internal review before moving to peer review. Thanks. Regards.--[[User:Dwaipayanc|Dwaipayan]] ([[User_talk:Dwaipayanc|talk]]) 17:13, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

==An article you may like==

Hi, I just read what you wrote at the bottom of [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Stargate (device)|This FAC]]. You said that you didn't think it was even possible to write a article as detailed as that. You also said that you don't think making clear obvious assumptions that every is supposed to make counts as Orignial Reasearch. Based on that I think that you will really like [[DNA Resequencer (Stargate)|this article]]. I was thinking of nominating it on FAC again. What do you think? [[User:Tobyk777|Tobyk777]] 22:24, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

== IAALBOAHL ==

Much as it's a nice idea, it looks too much like protologism to me, so I'm nominating it for AfD. Feel free to make your own argument for its defence. [[User:ConMan|Confusing Manifestation]] 14:41, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

== [[Juan Cole]] ==

Hi, It has been a few days since the censorship case has been brought up there, I'm wondering what the follow-up will be. (note: if you look at my user page it will say I am on wikibreak. I am not editing on Wikipedia anymore until the conclusion of this matter and surrounding ones, but will watch out for your reply or developments on this particular case)[[User:Elizmr|Elizmr]] 17:06, 15 May 2006 (UTC)