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= October 8 =
== Credit card reimbursement ==
Please note that this is a hypothetical situation, and therefore not a request for legal or financial advice.
Imagine you're in an unfamiliar city looking for somewhere to eat for dinner. You come across a street filled with restaurants, choose one and eat there. At the end of the evening you ask for the bill, which comes to $50. You ask to pay by credit card. The waiter mistakenly enters $500 as the amount in the credit card machine instead of $50. You don't notice the mistake, enter your pin number and pay the $500. The waiter doesn't notice the mistake either. He hands you the bill and the credit card receipt, both of which you throw away soon after.
Checking your credit card bill the following month, you see an unusual amount of $500. Checking the date, you realise that it must relate to the restaurant at which you ate that night and that a mistake must have been made by the waiter. You google the merchant's name on the credit card bill, but it's just the name of a generic provider of food and drink. You can't remember the name of the restaurant or the street it was on. You no longer have the credit card receipt in your possession. Do you have any recourse to get the extra $450 back from the credit card company? --[[User:Viennese Waltz|Viennese Waltz]] 13:36, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
:That doesn't sound very hypothetical to me, but it seems that my (hypothetical) first response would be to call the (hypothetical) credit card company and ask them. However, it seems unlikely you'd get the money back from the CC company; it's not their fault, nor is there fraud being alleged. They gave the money to the restaurant. Perhaps you could call the merchant and try to work with them to identify the restaurant? At this late stage, the beef is between the two of you. If the waiter is still there and recalls the incident, an e-transfer could be done. The extra $450 would essentially be his "tip", so he'll likely remember it pretty well unless it was a place that auto-shares the tips between staff evenly or something. [[User:Matt Deres|Matt Deres]] ([[User talk:Matt Deres|talk]]) 14:41, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
:It's going to depend on where you are and what card you used. Where you are, for the legal framework, and what card, for their terms and conditions. [https://www.visa.co.uk/how-you-pay-matters/chargeback-purchase-disputes.html Here is the Visa advice for the UK]. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 14:53, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
:I would call the restaurant first and see if they can fix the problem. They should have the original receipt somewhere, and if it's itemized they'll be able to figure out what went wrong. If they stonewall you, then call the credit card company and tell them it's a fraudulent charge. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 15:40, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
::As noted above, this is a hypothetical situation – it didn't happen to me. Also as noted, the person can't remember the name of the restaurant, so they can't call it. --[[User:Viennese Waltz|Viennese Waltz]] 16:15, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
:::What I have difficulty with is the situation of "credit card" and "pin number." A debit card has a pin number. A credit card requires a signature (unless it is a situation where signature is not required - like many tap-and-go terminals). This is an important distinction because credit cards and debit cards often have very different reimbursement rules. From my personal cards: My debit card has no reimbursement. I can close the card. I can personally request a refund from whomever submitted the charge. I will not be refunded by the bank itself. My credit card is very different. I can call the bank and refute any charge I like. They put the charge on hold and then they contact whomever made the charge and decide if they will reimburse me or not. They might reimburse me without getting money back from the end business. This moves into the topic of fraud prevention. I used my debit card to purchase a car for $12k once. I was out of state and there was absolutely no problem. I used my credit card to purchase a PS5 when they first came out and getting one was nearly impossible. Fraud protection kicked in, delayed the purchase, and I missed the chance and had to wait for later drop. What your hypothetical person has to do is call the hypothetical bank that issued the hypothetical credit card (which sounds like it is hypthetically a debit card), and ask the hypothetical customer service agent who is hypothetically going to be in some other hypothetical country where the hypothetical accent will make the hypothetical conversation very difficult, and finally, hypothetically work out what the hypothetical contract for that hypothetical card hypothetically is. [[Special:Contributions/68.187.174.155|68.187.174.155]] ([[User talk:68.187.174.155|talk]]) 17:02, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
::::It's only in countries with backward banking systems that signatures are used for credit cards. In the developed world PIN numbers are used. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 17:29, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::More and more frequently here in America, credit cards do not require signatures (nor a PIN). But some individual stores want a signature anyway. As to the restaurant name, I would think that would be on the credit card statement. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 18:17, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::My understanding based on talking with the cashiers, is that if you are using [[contactless payment]], the older [[point of sale]] systems required the PIN or the signature, but the newer ones do not. Swiping or inserting seems to require a PIN based on the type of card, for some reason. There's a gas station that I go to that has both the tap to pay and the swipe, and I often experiment to see the difference. One of my cards requires a PIN for a swipe, while the other does not. Now that I write this out, I seem to remember that I can login to the credit card site and enable or disable aspects of the swiping behavior (PIN or not) in the personal settings associated with the specific card, IIRC. I think. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:29, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
== Highest rated recipes site? ==
I was just looking for a good [[borscht]] recipe when I realized what I really want is a site that ranks the highest rated recipes. Is there such a thing? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:33, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
:For the borscht, search for Mrs Kostyra's recipe. That is Martha Stewart's mom. As for websites, they all rate recipes, but the ratings are very unreliable. [[Special:Contributions/68.187.174.155|68.187.174.155]] ([[User talk:68.187.174.155|talk]]) 01:14, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
::Ok, I remember reading about that recipe earlier in the year. It was pretty impressive. Is there really no crowdsourced recipe site that ranks recipes by various criteria (taste, ease of preparation, cost, etc.)? That's something I really would like to have access to in the kitchen. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:37, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
::Is it true that it freezes well? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:40, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
Is there no Wikirecipes site, or something equivalent? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:38, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
:Not as a [[meta:Complete list of Wikimedia projects|Wikimedia project]]. Ratings on a community-sourced site would be hopelessly unreliable anyway. ​‑‑[[User talk:Lambiam#top|Lambiam]] 17:41, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
::Would it though? Instead of admin rights, you could have chef rights. You could only rank the recipes based on your contribution threshold, article improvement scoring, etc. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:47, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
:::You appear to believe that there is a standard measure of "taste" and "ease of preparation" and "cost." There isn't. You can argue that cost is standard, but it isn't. Cost depends on supply and in some places supply of certain good items is higher than others. As for preparation ease, that depends on tools. What if all I have is a couple knives. No mixer. No blender. No broiler. No steamer. Preparation can be difficult while, for someone with a stocked kitchen, it can be very easy. Taste is very speculative. For example, I make dishes with tamed jalapenos and some people praise it because they get the flavor without the spice. Others detest it because they demand what they eat today burn on the way out tomorrow. So, even if you have professional chefs giving you the ratings, they are not dependable. They do not tell me how much it costs me, how easy it is for me, and how well it tastes for me. It is just more unreliable internet slop. [[Special:Contributions/68.187.174.155|68.187.174.155]] ([[User talk:68.187.174.155|talk]]) 18:28, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
::::You seem to have misread what I wrote (a common occurrence here). Nowhere have I discussed anything about taste. If you read below, you can see that the cookbooks site has already implemented the suggestion I discussed with no problems. But hey, you do you. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:20, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::Oh, it looks like I mentioned taste in passing up above. I had no idea that would even cause you such grief as I don't even remember mentioning it. But the reality is that I did say it, and I still mean it. I don't believe there is a standard of anything; I believe we create our own standards. And if something is salty, sweet, bitter, sour, or savoury, it can easily be categorized that way. I hope I didn't just break your brain. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:26, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::Ratings and categorization are not the same thing. If you meant categorization from the beginning, you should have stated so. If you didn't mean to include taste, you shouldn't have included it. Write what you mean. Mean what you write. Insulting people because they are responding to what you have written is juvenile and unwarranted. [[Special:Contributions/68.187.174.155|68.187.174.155]] ([[User talk:68.187.174.155|talk]]) 11:50, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
::::And some of us just don't like peppers at all. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 14:56, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
:See [[b:Cookbook|the Wikibooks Cookbook]]. It doesn't have ratings based on taste or cost, but it does have [[b:Category:Recipes by difficulty|a difficulty rating for recipes]]. [[User:OutsideNormality|OutsideNormality]] ([[User talk:OutsideNormality|talk]]) 02:39, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. Still curious why there’s no Wikirecipes or Wikifood. It’s such a large part of our lives it seems like an oversight. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 18:06, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Outside of Wikimedia there's [https://recipes.fandom.com/ Recipes Wiki], but on a quick glance it doesn't appear to have a ratings system. --[[User:Antiquary|Antiquary]] ([[User talk:Antiquary|talk]]) 09:02, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
::::If it's OK to link to unsatisfactory sites that sound related, [https://publicdomainrecipes.com publicdomainrecipes.com] caught my attention (and has a couple of recipes for borscht). I see problems with a ratings system: everybody submits their own family heirloom recipe for chili con carne, or whatever dish, and we have to hope that the best one is voted up to the top, but what actually happens is that beyond a certain number of recipes new submissions get no attention, and any good ones are buried, and the main ingredient of new submissions after that is spam. The alternative approach is to have a single canonical article for each named dish, with hundreds of subsections to handle all worthwhile variations. But how to resolve edit wars? "Your recipe for chili with liquorice is stupid / no it isn't / yes it is ..." [[User:Card_Zero|<span style=" background-color:#fffff0; border:1px #995; border-style:dotted solid solid dotted;"> Card Zero </span>]] [[User_talk:Card_Zero|(talk)]] 13:08, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::You could have a tag system where you could pull up all recipes that include a particular tag. Every ingredient in a recipe would be a tag. Every prep technique would be a tag. Every type of dish would be a tag. You could then input the tags "chili" (or "chili (soup)" to distinguish from "chili (pepper)") and "liquorice" to see if anyone else provided a recipe like that. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:07, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
:There is a long-running feature in ''[[The Guardian]]'' in which [[Felicity Cloake]] compares recipes to determine "how to cook the perfect..." version of various popular dishes. Available online [https://www.theguardian.com/food/series/how-to-cook-the-perfect---- here]. [[User:Chuntuk|Chuntuk]] ([[User talk:Chuntuk|talk]]) 13:35, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
= October 10 =
== What are these metallic boxes in the streets of Helsinki, Finland? ==
I can't find any images so these are links to Google Street View (I hope they work and are allowed here):
[https://www.google.com/maps/@60.1713453,25.041022,3a,15.3y,42.23h,80.85t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sdOc3ynUKpn-NIxMqIl79Mw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D9.150000000000006%26panoid%3DdOc3ynUKpn-NIxMqIl79Mw%26yaw%3D42.23!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MTAwOC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D Example 1], [https://www.google.com/maps/@60.1718475,25.0392098,3a,15.1y,240.43h,78.79t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sBdb24nsGSKver1PVKD7DxA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D11.209347354390843%26panoid%3DBdb24nsGSKver1PVKD7DxA%26yaw%3D240.43210064187016!7i16384!8i8192?entry=tts&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MTAwOC4wIPu8ASoASAFQAw%3D%3D&skid=3a34bf21-8001-4cd7-90f2-ef49d2f2d3a7 Example 2], [https://www.google.com/maps/@60.1685156,25.0334596,3a,15.2y,314.97h,85.74t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1spL-pwTJqHLzg7s-P7X5AWw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D4.256734428826121%26panoid%3DpL-pwTJqHLzg7s-P7X5AWw%26yaw%3D314.9655367958317!7i16384!8i8192?entry=tts&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MTAwOC4wIPu8ASoASAFQAw%3D%3D&skid=b509107d-bfd7-476c-8089-0d9824fc42cf Example 3], [https://www.google.com/maps/@60.1692799,25.0331304,3a,20.6y,106.38h,78.14t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s2bMXtvy21YTuHNcDWPnEHA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D11.860435531285674%26panoid%3D2bMXtvy21YTuHNcDWPnEHA%26yaw%3D106.38128624750796!7i16384!8i8192?entry=tts&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MTAwOC4wIPu8ASoASAFQAw%3D%3D&skid=5a123fbb-2bc4-4687-866d-2432a414af06 Example 4].
I don't think these are the typical electrical or telecommunications street utility boxes ([https://www.google.com/maps/@60.1677353,25.0407446,3a,18.9y,65.71h,79.77t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sK_a_hVP33OxRAnOwQNXwnw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D10.229402765176047%26panoid%3DK_a_hVP33OxRAnOwQNXwnw%26yaw%3D65.70820414004035!7i16384!8i8192?entry=tts&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MTAwOC4wIPu8ASoASAFQAw%3D%3D&skid=69634271-9d6c-413c-b1dc-f87e2a677604 like this one]) because they don't seem to be connected to to the ground. The boxes have hinged doors. The placement seems random. I presume they are from the government. [[User:Aloysius Jr|Aloysius Jr]] ([[User talk:Aloysius Jr|talk]]) 10:56, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
'''Edit:''' Here is the same exact box again: ([https://www.google.com/maps/@60.1692057,25.0332797,3a,38y,354.22h,75.89t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sW4_rSUNCuzHAYVf897LPYA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D14.11%26panoid%3DW4_rSUNCuzHAYVf897LPYA%26yaw%3D354.22!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MTAwOC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D Example 5]). See how it is sitting askew on the tiling. Next to it is an electrical distribution cabinet. [[User:Aloysius Jr|Aloysius Jr]] ([[User talk:Aloysius Jr|talk]]) 16:15, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
:They seem to be too heavy to be floating in the air, and there are no signs of them being suspended, so, maybe, they are connected to the ground. ​‑‑[[User talk:Lambiam#top|Lambiam]] 14:49, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
:: I really think they are not connected to the ground. See in Example 3 the little metallic legs it's standing on. These boxes can be found in strange places on concrete tiles no even angled properly. [[User:Aloysius Jr|Aloysius Jr]] ([[User talk:Aloysius Jr|talk]]) 13:16, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
:: I suppose I missed your joke but for confirmation by connected I mean electrically connected. [[User:Aloysius Jr|Aloysius Jr]] ([[User talk:Aloysius Jr|talk]]) 16:05, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
:They are electrical distribution cabinets. See [https://ualresearchonline.arts.ac.uk/id/eprint/23313/16/JUCS_11_2_Sart_Cardwell_CEv2.pdf here], [https://www.tailormadeitineraries.com/post/the-tailor-made-guide-to-helsinki-s-city-centre-street-art here], and [https://www.helensahkoverkko.fi/en/about-us/sustainability-and-the-environment/Art-in-electricity-cabinets here]. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 15:02, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
::I recognise those. None of the pictures had this specific box. [[User:Aloysius Jr|Aloysius Jr]] ([[User talk:Aloysius Jr|talk]]) 13:16, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
:My guess is that it is a box for mail delivery, where mail carriers pick up mail so they don't have to return to the post office to pick up the next batch for their route. Like [[:File:Utility_boxes_with_graffiti_(44636018522).jpg| this]]. [[User:Long is the way|Long is the way]] ([[User talk:Long is the way|talk]]) 21:26, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
::Those in the picture seem to be standing on legs. If this is for mail, then every postman in Helsinki will be able to confirm. This doesn't appear to be common in other cities though. In my country (Netherlands), mail is delivered by van to depots the size of 20 foot containers, from where mail is delivered by bike in a 2 kilometre radius. The postman returns to the depot as often as necessary. [[User:PiusImpavidus|PiusImpavidus]] ([[User talk:PiusImpavidus|talk]]) 09:57, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Boxes like that are definitely used by mail carriers in some countries. E.g. [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Post-box7302.jpg here] is one from Canada and [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mail_delivery_equipment_in_Tesoma,_Tampere_20130830_001.jpg here] is one in a different part of Finland. As Samoasambia points out below, it could also be for newspaper or leaflet delivery. [[User:Long is the way|Long is the way]] ([[User talk:Long is the way|talk]]) 15:24, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
:Paging {{u|40bus}}, who ought to know. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/90.193.153.108|90.193.153.108]] ([[User talk:90.193.153.108|talk]]) 07:27, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
::They are likely post boxes. A standard post box is orange. --[[User:40bus|40bus]] ([[User talk:40bus|talk]]) 07:58, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
:We should also page {{u|JIP}}. --[[User:Viennese Waltz|Viennese Waltz]] 08:26, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
::I have seen them all around Helsinki as well, and I don't know for sure what they are. I have always assumed they are some sort of telecommunications support stations or electronic transformers. [[User:JIP|<span style="color: #CC0000;">J</span><span style="color: #00CC00;">I</span><span style="color: #0000CC;">P</span>]] | [[User talk:JIP|Talk]] 09:06, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
:::They appear a bit smallish for transformer boxes. I don't know the voltage on the Helsinki distribution grid, but I suppose 6 kV to 20 kV phase-to-phase. Each box transforms about a megawatt down to 400 V phase-to-phase or 230 V phase-to-neutral. Those boxes are bigger than that, at least one metre cubes. And transformer boxes need a high voltage warning sign, one of those lightning symbols. [[User:PiusImpavidus|PiusImpavidus]] ([[User talk:PiusImpavidus|talk]]) 10:39, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
:::: Yes, it's very unlikely they house electrical equipment. Even a dumb junction box would have multiple 230V AC connections, making it hazardous to open (and a hazard if it was damaged, e.g. by vandalism, being struck by a vehicle, or by a fire). Such a box would have an electrical hazard symbol, and would surely have the name of the utility and a plate giving the box's number and a number to phone to report a dangerous condition. Example 5 also shows a Kabeldon cable-distribution cabinet (made by ABB), which indeed shows a hazard symbol and appears to have small ID plates. Similarly, streetside boxes for cctv, lighting, traffic lights, or telecoms distribution will have mains power (the last one because they power active FTTC transducers). -- [[User:Finlay McWalter|Finlay McWalter]]'''··–·'''[[User talk:Finlay McWalter|Talk]] 17:41, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
:I think those boxes are where newspapers/advertising leaflets are stored for distributors. It's often a part-time job (a few hours a week) so the distribution routes are short and that's why these boxes are a common sight. Addressed mail is distributed separately so you won't find letters etc. in there. [[User:Samoasambia|<span style="color:#3F92D2">'''Samoasambia'''</span>]] [[User talk:Samoasambia|<span style="color:#228B22">'''✎'''</span>]] 11:44, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
Thank y'all! There was [[:File:Utility boxes with graffiti (44636018522).jpg| a picture]] of them here on Wikipedia! (Thanks [[User:Long is the way|Long is the way]]). [[User:Aloysius Jr|Aloysius Jr]] ([[User talk:Aloysius Jr|talk]]) 22:48, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
= October 11 =
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Hi to Wikipedians, is there a way for visitors and foodies to discover cities, town, or streets, that have [[Native american cuisine|indigenous restaurants]] in United States? Why is this not very common among other eateries in United States? But why is this unlikely found in popular restaurants, unlike [[Mexican cuisine|Mexican]], [[Korean cuisine|Korean]], [[Italian cuisine|Italian]], [[Japanese cuisine|Japanese]], [[Chinese cuisine|Chinese]], [[Indian cuisine|Indian]], [[British cuisine|British]], [[Cuisine of Hawaii|Hawaiian]], and [[French cuisine|French]] cuisines? Is there a progression? [[Special:Contributions/75.39.165.140|75.39.165.140]] ([[User talk:75.39.165.140|talk]]) 21:45, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
:[WAG alert] There is no single Native American culture, so no single cuisine either. And tribe-specific cuisine isn't particularly rich. Being mostly(?) hunter-gatherers isn't conducive to developing great dishes. Also, no beef, no chicken, no pork. [[User:Clarityfiend|Clarityfiend]] ([[User talk:Clarityfiend|talk]]) 06:05, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
::While one might think there is a single Chinese culture, there very definitely is not a single Chinese cuisine, and the cuisine considered "Chinese" outside China often is rather different from what one might find in China. While dishes offered in Chinese restaurants abroad have their roots in dishes that originated in China or among Chinese migrants, these restaurants typically adapted the recipes to local tastes and locally available ingredients. A good example is [[chop suey]]. If you ask for [[wikt:杂碎|杂碎]] – the etymon of the term ''chop suey'' – in a restaurant in China, they may be offering you very different food items, such as pork kidneys. The Italian cuisine in New York would not be recognized as Italian by tourists from Italy, and several "Mexican" dishes originated in the U.S. I see no a priori reason why dishes from the [[indigenous cuisine of the Americas]] cannot be likewise adapted to cater to the American taste. The section {{section link|Indigenous cuisine of the Americas#Restaurants}} consists of a gallery of seven Native American restaurants. More can be found in our [[:Category:Native American restaurants in the United States]] and the Commons [[:commons:Category:Native American style restaurants in the United States|Category:Native American style restaurants in the United States]]. ​‑‑[[User talk:Lambiam#top|Lambiam]] 07:47, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Some glimpses of menu items at that commons category: I see [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Aka_skunk_pig.jpg for pork] there is [[javelina]], for chicken, duck (see caption on that image), and [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Seattle_in_June_2023_-_119.jpg for beef], bison. Also actual pork and beef and chicken get involved too, inevitably. [[User:Card_Zero|<span style=" background-color:#fffff0; border:1px #995; border-style:dotted solid solid dotted;"> Card Zero </span>]] [[User_talk:Card_Zero|(talk)]] 13:34, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
:::If anyone wants an opportunity to clean up some truly awful prose, [[Indigenous cuisine of the Americas]] would be a useful task. [[User:Jpgordon|--jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇]]</small></sup> 04:18, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
::Such restaurants may not be common in the U.S. but they are found in all major Canadian cities. Featured dishes often feature game meat (e.g. elk, buffalo...) and freshwater fish, and various local ingredients such as berries, herbs, wild rice and such. [[User:Xuxl|Xuxl]] ([[User talk:Xuxl|talk]]) 13:53, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
:When I lived in San Bernandino desert, there were plenty of Native American restaurants. Most identified as Navajo, but there were others. There was very little difference between Mexican food and Native American food. [[Special:Contributions/68.187.174.155|68.187.174.155]] ([[User talk:68.187.174.155|talk]]) 18:34, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
= October 12 =
== Apartment numbers ==
Are [[apartment number]]s used in postal addresses in France, UK, Ireland, Netherlands, Belgium, Czechia, Slovakia, Germany, Switzerland or Austria? Article about addresses in different countries does not mention them. --[[User:40bus|40bus]] ([[User talk:40bus|talk]]) 20:07, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
:We don't have apartments in the UK; we have flats, and flat numbers are invariably included in UK postal addresses. I can't think why they would not be or why the articles you refer to would even ''need'' to mention them. [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 07:35, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
:In Germany (specifically Hamburg, but I believe throughout Germany), apartment numbers are not used in addresses. My mailbox had to have my last name clearly labeled and my mail had to have my last name clearly marked. Further, because I have the most common German last name, I had to include my initials on both my mailbox and my mail. This topic came up because I argued with the mail lady that life would be so much easier if I could just have apartment 22 put on my mail. No! It has to be name. [[Special:Contributions/68.187.174.155|68.187.174.155]] ([[User talk:68.187.174.155|talk]]) 12:13, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
::What do they suggest you do if there are multiple people at the same address with the same last name and the same initials for their other names? --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:11, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
:::<small>Traditionally then a [[Duel#Germany|sausage duel]] takes place to decide who has to move out. [[User:Card_Zero|<span style=" background-color:#fffff0; border:1px #995; border-style:dotted solid solid dotted;"> Card Zero </span>]] [[User_talk:Card_Zero|(talk)]] 16:08, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
::::[[Myron Cohen]] used to tell a story about a secret agent going to an apartment building to meet a fellow agent named Goldberg. He observes that there are two Goldbergs in the building. He speaks to the first one in a coded greeting. The guy says, "I'm Goldberg the tailor. You want Goldberg the spy. He's on the fourth floor." ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 17:08, 13 October 2025 (UTC)</small>
::You can put an "Adresszusatz" (addition to address) on the address, in cases where just the street and number is ambiguous. This is often something like "Third floor" or "Rear building". There is also a way to write apartment numbers according to the DIN 5008 address format - you put two slashes after the house number, so apartment 3 in Musterstraße 10 is Musterstraße 10 // 3. This isn't widely used (I think I very rarely get letters from the property tax office addressed to my apartment, but that's it), but I don't see why you couldn't include that number on your letterbox if necessary. [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurrayinchester]] 10:08, 18 October 2025 (UTC)
:Netherlands: For more independent apartments (also known as flats if in high-rise buildings), every unit has its own letterbox and its own house number. For more integrated apartments (nursing homes, ordinary houses converted for students – yes, you can squeeze 15 students in a house designed for a single family in the 1930s; it's a goldmine), there's normally a single letterbox with a single number. An apartment number could be added, but would be ignored by the postal service. Normally, a name suffices. Very rarely one encounters multiple letterboxes on a single house number, labelled in whatever way the manager of the place deems fitting, with all the trouble described by 68.187.174.155. [[User:PiusImpavidus|PiusImpavidus]] ([[User talk:PiusImpavidus|talk]]) 20:14, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
:How are flats numbered in the UK? And how are apartments numbered in the US and Canada? I have heard that in at least some places, they are numbered with the floor number and ordinal of apartment, like 101, 102..., 201, 202..., 301, 302... like hotel rooms in many countries. Are there regional variations in this? --[[User:40bus|40bus]] ([[User talk:40bus|talk]]) 15:34, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
::Here in Scotland (part of the UK) there's a lot of variation. Older [[tenement]] buildings often use something like "2/L 44 Wikipedia Road", meaning the flat on the left side of the 2nd floor of number 44. Newer developments might be "Flat 4, 46 Wikipedia Road", "48d Wikipedia Road" or just give individual numbers to the flats (not necessarily in sequence with other buildings, for extra confusion). [[User:Adam Sampson|Adam Sampson]] ([[User talk:Adam Sampson|talk]]) 16:46, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
== Sanskrit being spoken on some countries ==
Hello, is [[Sanskrit]] still spoken in any of these countries in modern times? How is it being [[Language revitalization|revived]]? [[User:Mannymations12|Mannymations12]] ([[User talk:Mannymations12|talk]]) 22:51, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
:Yes, read the section entitled 'Modern era' in the article. [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) 23:10, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
:In some villages of India a part of the local population speak Sanskrit as their native language. Some examples are [[Mattur]] and [[Jhiri, Rajgarh]]. --[[Special:Contributions/195.62.160.60|195.62.160.60]] ([[User talk:195.62.160.60|talk]]) 07:23, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
= October 14 =
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how often does each [[website]] get [[Update|updated]]? [[User:XtraMateSo2|XtraMateSo2]] ([[User talk:XtraMateSo2|talk]]) 23:46, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
:It's a range between never and constantly. [[User:Jpgordon|--jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇]]</small></sup> 02:51, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
:Note that our article on [[Human extinction|Human Extinction]] will not be updated at some time in the future. Well, it may be updated by AI bots... --[[User:Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM|Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM]] ([[User talk:Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM|talk]]) 16:03, 16 October 2025 (UTC)
::All your site are belong to us. [[User:Clarityfiend|Clarityfiend]] ([[User talk:Clarityfiend|talk]]) 21:13, 16 October 2025 (UTC)
:::[[Empire Earth]] reference noted. [[Special:Contributions/2601:646:8082:BA0:9420:2B2A:B16A:5B9F|2601:646:8082:BA0:9420:2B2A:B16A:5B9F]] ([[User talk:2601:646:8082:BA0:9420:2B2A:B16A:5B9F|talk]]) 00:06, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
== Caste System in United States ==
Is there a [[caste system]] in United States? [[User:SoThePrizeIsReady|SoThePrizeIsReady]] ([[User talk:SoThePrizeIsReady|talk]]) 18:26, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
:The article you linked to has a section regarding the US. [[User:Matt Deres|Matt Deres]] ([[User talk:Matt Deres|talk]]) 19:58, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
:In a word, no -- there '''used''' to be racial discrimination which '''might''' possibly be thought of as a caste system (however, it was '''fundamentally different''' from an actual caste system in that it was based on race, whereas a true caste system is primarily based on employment categories without regard to race or ethnicity), but this is no longer the case! [[Special:Contributions/2601:646:8082:BA0:9420:2B2A:B16A:5B9F|2601:646:8082:BA0:9420:2B2A:B16A:5B9F]] ([[User talk:2601:646:8082:BA0:9420:2B2A:B16A:5B9F|talk]]) 23:56, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
== "Fluorescent" light tubes, take 3 ==
So, for the third time, where TF '''can''' I get those type A (or C) [[LED]] replacements for 4-foot T12 bi-pin fluorescent light tubes, in '''warm white''' color, i.e. with a [[color temperature]] of 2700K or less? (I was also going to complain about having been illegally blocked on here by [[User:Daniel Case]], [[User:asilvering]], [[User:Gadfium]] and [[User:Yamla]] and suffering actual monetary damages as a result, but I won't because I have already addressed that subject elsewhere!) [[Special:Contributions/2601:646:8082:BA0:9420:2B2A:B16A:5B9F|2601:646:8082:BA0:9420:2B2A:B16A:5B9F]] ([[User talk:2601:646:8082:BA0:9420:2B2A:B16A:5B9F|talk]]) 00:05, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
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