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=="Thunderbirds" or "Stingray"?==

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''K01 Thunderbirds in Outer Space ("Thunderbirds Are Go") (1981, Color, Image Entertainment, UK) (11/24/88) Puppet movie about aquatic creatures who attempt to take over the planet. The first episode ever aired. No fan copy is known to exist.''

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=="The Return"==

This is inaccurate. The poster is clearly confusing ''[[Thunderbirds (television)|Thunderbirds]]'' with ''[[Stingray (TV show)|Stingray]]''.

The episodes for "Mystery Science Theater 3000: The Return" should be on its own page, much like [[List_of_The_Munsters_episodes]] does not include episodes of [[The_Munsters_Today]]. Shoddy knock-offs should not be listed on the same page as the classic show that inspired them: it's a new show, and should be on its own page.

:I changed K01 to reflect published information, which indicates it was ''Invaders from the Deep'', a movie version of ''Stingray''. I also filled in the descriptions and corrected some other info about K01 and K02. -- [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] 04:36, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

==Sources for season 1 airdates==

== Punctuation in titles ==

Hey, does any body know where those sources for the season 1 air dates are? Because I remember before it was unknown when they aired, but now it's been listed. Could someone back me up on this, please? [[Special:Contributions/64.30.14.50|64.30.14.50]] ([[User talk:64.30.14.50|talk]]) 17:22, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

[[User:Timvasquez|Timvasquez]], in a recent edit, said he made "a few title name tweaks so that Wiki links are captured". I'm not sure what he meant, but it looks like he felt it advisable to remove periods from titles like "Gamera vs. Barugon". However, Wiki links and article titles ''can'' include punctuation, and many do. Since the actual titles include such punctuation (as registered with [http://www.imdb.com IMDb], at least), I will restore these periods (plus add such punctuation to any titles that were missing it) in a week or so, unless someone makes a case not to do so. -- [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] 04:04, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)

==The Home video Availability section==

:I finally got around to changing all "vs" instances to "vs.". Besides the above reasons, "vs" is not a word, but an abbreviation for "versus", and therefore requires a period to denote its abbreviated state. As far as the other punctuation issues, I expect to fix those as I update episode titles in general. Quite a few episodes have inaccurate titles. Some of these are simple errors. Others likely occurred because the official movie title doesn't always match up to the way Best Brains recorded the MST3K episode title. (I think there are even problems between the BBI and the Rhino titles for the VHS- and DVD-released episodes!) As I edit, I've been using [[User:Timvasquez|Timvasquez]]'s convention of quoting the episode title, followed by the movie title, where different, in parentheses, adding Wiki markup to italicize the latter per English style guidelines. There's still quite a lot of work to do on these entries. — [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] 19:23, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Should we really list that section? I mean, on the page under "See also", it shows the article for the Mst3k video releases, which CLEARLY shows which episodes have been released on whichever home media release (VHS, DVD, online etc), so it seems like this is kind of repeating too much information if we list that page under see also but have the home video releases on this page, too. What does everyone else think? [[Special:Contributions/64.30.14.50|64.30.14.50]] ([[User talk:64.30.14.50|talk]]) 19:22, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

== condensing? ==

== Episode title/featured film column severely messed up ==

Since there's considerable overlap between KTMA and the later years, can/should we create anchors to the first appearance of a given movie and then make the later reference to the same movie a link back to the earlier anchor? This has the advantage that if the film description needs fixing it won't be necessary to do it two places (as I had to with Mighty Jack.) -- [[User:Antaeus Feldspar|Antaeus Feldspar]]

Until 7 February 2013, this article followed (more or less) the instructions listed in the "Explanation of entries" section, with the ''MST3K'' episode title – not the original film title – given under the "Featured film" heading, even though the featured film often had a different original title. (This wasn't incorrect, at least in most cases, because the episode titles were not added by Best Brains, but were the actual titles for these films as shown within ''MST3K'', and confirmed in [[IMDb]].) Nevertheless, it was somewhat confusing, especially where the links to some of these titles went to articles with different (but also correct) titles. It also implied that the linked articles were about the episodes, when I believe most if not all were actually about the original films, with at most a brief mention of their use as ''MST3K'' fodder.

:Your idea is certainly logical. I have a concern, though. Far more people have seen the repeated movies from KTMA in their Season 3 versions. Even ''The Mystery Science Theater 3000 Amazing Colossal Episode Guide'' only lists the KTMA episode movies, while describing them in the Season 3 chapter. Therefore, even though it isn't typical practice, it might make more sense to have the links in the KTMA section, and the texts in the Season 3 section. (For what it's worth, this also accomodates Best Brains' general desire to focus on post-Season 1 episodes, when they felt they'd gotten the hang of the show.) It may not make much difference in the current show descriptions, but it just seems better (to me, at least). — [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] 06:54, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Between 7 and 13 February, an anon systematically updated the "Featured films" entries to reflect either the original film titles (many not in English) or the Wikipedia article names, or both (without any explanation in the edit summaries or here on the talk page). This reduced some of that confusion (and made the heading "Featured films" more accurate), at the expense of completely removing the differing episode names, which are an essential part of an article listing episodes. (Duh.) I was going to change them all back, but reverting all of the anon's edits would've been excessive, given that s/he did considerable work matching up episodes with film titles/articles, which was also supposed to be part of the information in this column. Manually correcting each will be quite time-consuming, and I'd first want to review the current rules of film-article titles before attempting this. (Last time I checked, English WP film articles are supposed to use the title best known in the English-speaking world, following general EN:WP practice.) But I wanted to call attention to this major problem so that others might help out before or during any work I might do. ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 06:59, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

::Well, I'm not stuck on a particular order; I agree it makes more sense to put the episode descriptions with their more refined and polished incarnations. I'll be honest, though, I haven't found a good way to do that sort of anchoring in wiki syntax. Do you know how? [[User:Antaeus Feldspar|Antaeus Feldspar]] 18:41, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

:When it comes to naming conventions, the episode titles should probably reflect what appears in the Amazing Colossal Episode Guide. [[User:Friginator|Friginator]] ([[User talk:Friginator|talk]]) 23:35, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

:::No, nor have I found a way to use wiki-proof HTML markup yet. For now, I'd just suggest diligent monitoring of the 8 repeated episodes (5 ''Gamera''s, 2 ''Fugitive Alien''s, and ''Time of the Apes''), which were all originally featured in the KTMA season and repeated in Season 3. Whenever someone makes an edit to one, concerned individuals can synchronize them. (Would-be editors should note that this makes it more likely someone will tweak your editing unless you edit both entries yourselves!) — [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] 19:31, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

== NPOV Um...==

If we're noting about episodes being available for streaming, then should "Home video" be changed to "Home media"? Because online streaming isn't technically home video, and also, should Vudu really be counted? I haven't heard of the site, and it sounds like some sort of boot legged website if you ask me. [[Special:Contributions/96.237.242.65|96.237.242.65]] ([[User talk:96.237.242.65|talk]]) 23:12, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Jeff, I appreciate all the work you're doing on this page but I have to point out that a lot of your changes are increasing the POV content of the descriptions, not decreasing it. Things like changing 'the U.S. Army' to 'America's most incompetent military personnel' would be a good change if Wikipedia was a fan site, where colorful descriptions are better than factual, NPOV descriptions. But it is not; factual, NPOV descriptions are what we are aiming for. -- [[User:Antaeus Feldspar|Antaeus Feldspar]] 17:31, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

:Agreed, though there's really no reason to list the streaming releases anyway, seeing as they're all identical to the existing physical releases. They're not new releases (just digital-only versions of the content from the DVDs). It's just Shout Factory distributing the exact same product in a different format, so why should it be listed separately? [[User:Friginator|Friginator]] ([[User talk:Friginator|talk]]) 00:11, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

:You have a good point. I suppose I took this approach for several reasons:

:* The original article text had a number of somewhat humorous takes on the movie plots.

:* Wiki policy encourages a somewhat lighter tone and occasional wryness in descriptive text, although that doesn't free one from factual accuracy or POV concerns.

:* IMDb and even TV Guide often feature similar critical and even mocking descriptions of flawed movies in their plot summaries.

:* The concept of MST3K, the subject of this article, is to poke fun at bad movies, making citation of the notable flaws in these films quite appropriate in describing a MST3K episode, as opposed to the original film.

:However, one can certainly carry a good thing too far. As for your specific citation, re-reading the text, I realize one could easily misinterpret my meaning. I did not mean to impune the U.S. Army or the U.S. military in general, which are obviously ''not'' incompetent, but rather the specific personnel displayed in this movie, who are supposed to be from both the Air Force and Army, as I recall. It's excrutiatingly embarrassing to watch the scenes with these Stooge-like and rather disgusting servicemen. I will try to revise this and other entries to avoid inadvertently expressing POVs while still describing what makes these films MST3K episodes. Does this sound reasonable? — [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] 02:01, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

==This has been discussed already but you know what?==

::Fully reasonable. Sounds good to me. -- [[User:Antaeus Feldspar|Antaeus Feldspar]] 03:49, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I'm really starting to think the home video availability section is just pointless, since we have an article that shows which mst3k video releases are available featuring which episodes (and at the bottom it even SAYS the article under "see also"). I did some cleaning up on that article since alot of it was just critism (some of which may have been from me, which, again, I apologise). Everything under the home video section could easily just be noted on that page (but only listing dvds that ARE availbable; not ones that are planned to be released). [[Special:Contributions/96.237.242.65|96.237.242.65]] ([[User talk:96.237.242.65|talk]]) 17:05, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

:Sounds fine to me. [[User:Friginator|Friginator]] ([[User talk:Friginator|talk]]) 19:19, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

==198 episodes==

I counted them all and 198 episodes were actually produced, so there is no more need for the {{Citation needed}} tag. [[User:Theskinnytypist|Theskinnytypist]] ([[User talk:Theskinnytypist|talk]]) 17:07, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

:There were 197 episodes and 1 movie, which was not an episode by definition. --[[User:Cheesemeister|Cheesemeister]] ([[User talk:Cheesemeister|talk]]) 17:56, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

== Episode numbers ==

So it looks like, starting with season 11, the show will be acknowledging the cumulative episode numbers in addition to the traditional season episode numbers. Would it make sense to add them somewhere on the page? --[[User:Wack'd]]

:Not if the bulk of the series wasn't numbered in this way. They're keeping the previous codes (SSEE numbering), so we should stick with that. The cumulative # helps to keep our total episode count accurate. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 02:14, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

::So, hypothetically, if the 395th episode is still using both SSEE and cumulative numbers, then the cumulative numbers would be added? --[[User:Wack'd]]

:::It will depend how they refer to older shows. Given the show's history, they overwhelming prefer SSEE over cumulative episode numbers (This includes the media covering the show), but that could change in several years, but too soon to tell. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:14, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

== Upcoming episodes ==

While "Repiticus" has been readily announced at this point, I note from the most recent Kickstarter email that they are ''strongly'' urging that we do not reveal all the titles when backers get the episodes in a few hours here (as to try to get a Season 12 from Netflix - the less shared, the more this influences NF's decision). So until Friday, we should not rush to add the episodes, which also is aided by the fact that since these are not public releases, these can't be "verified" yet. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 04:10, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

*''Demon Squad'' and ''[[Munchie]]'' are two of the new episodes featured on Season 13. [[User:Espngeek|Espngeek]] ([[User talk:Espngeek|talk]]) 22:05, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

** The full list will be populated here [https://kickstarter.mst3k.com/season13] throughout today, and for now, I'm just listing them on the main MST3K. While we have episode numbers, we generally avoid including them until we have a firm idea of airing. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 22:51, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

== Production numbers ==

Both items currently in the Notes section refer to episodes by their production numbers, but those production numbers appear nowhere in the article itself. [[User:Clayhalliwell|Clayhalliwell]] ([[User talk:Clayhalliwell|talk]]) 13:59, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

== Shorts of the Month Club ==

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