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==Your achievements==
[[Image:Cmdr of the British Empire badge.JPG|thumb|right|90px|I award you the Commander's Badge of the Order of the British Empire for your heroic achievements: 1,834 in total (including 551 operas, 491 singers, 394 composers and 183 opera houses and companies) plus over 5,000 personal edits. ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 08:21, 31 May 2006 (UTC))]]
[[Image:Trudovaya Slava 1st Degree.jpg|thumb|left|160px|Because of some political reasons your previous award is replaced with "Hero of Labour", the first degree. Keep the previous one as a reference, please. ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 10:36, 31 May 2006 (UTC))]]
This is a huge but little-deserved honour. I am overwhelmed! However, coming down to earth again, I am regrettably - for political reasons - unable to accept any award connected with the [[British Empire]], particularly at a time when British troops are still involved in the [[Iraq War]].
''Hint: I would be interested in becoming a Wiki-[[stakhanovite]].'' - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 09:11, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Spasibo, Tovarich! - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 10:47, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
You can see the reference [[Shakhtyorskaya slava]] ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 11:30, 31 May 2006 (UTC))
Thank you. I now have few remaining Russian-related ambitions in life. However speaking as an ex-[[Streltsy|streltsy]] (c/o [[Andrei Tarkovsky]]'s direction of the glorious coronation scene in [[Boris Godunov]]) I am hoping one day (maybe when the Opera Project finally surpasses [[New Grove Dictionary of Opera|Grove]]?) to be awarded one of those special golden poleaxe things - whatever they are called.) - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 11:52, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
== Italian capitalization ==
Sorry about that - it was actually an unintended slip while making a link for the new Crociato article. Best regards--[[User:Smerus|Smerus]] 16:54, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
== Opera buffa vs Comic opera ==
Both [[opera buffa]] and [[comic opera]] suggest (regardless of the accuracy of the statement) that the names mean the same thing (not to mention [[Opéra comique]]). Since you have stated that you feel a merge is not required, perhaps you could join us at [[Talk:Opera buffa]] and describe what you see as the appropriate distribution of the material that is currently located across multiple pages. Thanks. -[[User:Harmil|Harmil]] 15:32, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
==Handel Vandal==
They seem only to have vandalized twice in the last month, and they've stopped now. Since it's sometimes hard to tell whether an IP is shared or not, I tend to lean on the side of not blocking when a vandal isn't doing much damage. Plus their edits weren't that detrimental/offensive. As always, good work on the Opera Project. [[User:Makemi|Mak]] <font color="green">[[User_talk:Makemi|(talk)]]</font> 20:49, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
==Meladina's Russian opera articles (May 2006)==
==== L'écume des jours (opera) ====
Please look at my new contribution [[L'écume des jours (opera)]] and also into the discussion box.
Yours ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 16:28, 1 May 2006 (UTC))
==== Russian opera ====
I'm not sure how to create a category [[Russian opera]] as you suggested. ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 17:01, 2 May 2006 (UTC))
==== Fiery Angel (opera), Renard (theatre) ====
([[Russian language|Russian]]: ''Огненный ангел'' — ''Ognennïy angel'' in [[transliteration]])
I added Russian title:''Огненный ангел''.
''Ognennïy angel'' is quite sophisticated transliteration. I would prefer ''Ognennyi angel'' but it is for you to decide.
The biggest mistake in the [[Opera corpus]] was about the [[Renard (opera)]] with the long transliteration (in brackets) that was divided into three separate titles. I corrected this and wrote the article on [[Renard (theatre)]]. I would appretiate your comments and corrections. I also added the title [[The Flood]] to Stravinsky's list.
Regards,
:Yours, Dmitri ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 16:48, 3 May 2006 (UTC))
==== Renard====
Thanks for your correction, but why is it now Renard (theatre) (which should be a spoken play) rather than Renard (opera)?
-Kleinzach 17:09, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I created Renard (opera) but Somebody else changed in to (theatre) because this is opera-balet - belongs to two cdifferent categories.Sorry, I have to go now.
([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 17:38, 3 May 2006 (UTC))
You see, it was changed to theatre again:
(cur) (last) 18:59, 3 May 2006 [[Francis Schonken]] (undo cut-and-paste move by [[Kleinzach]])
([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 19:11, 3 May 2006 (UTC))
==== The Fiery Angel ====
Grove has ''Ognennïy angel'' but I have no Russian! Have you seen the guidelines [[Wikipedia:Romanization of Russian]] and [[WP:CYR]]? What do they indicate? [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 17:09, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
ый endings -y Красный = Krasny
:according to guidelines [[Wikipedia:Romanization of Russian]] in has to be ''Ognenny angel'' The letter ï is not used there at all. I have a feeling that ''Ognennyi angel'' or even ''Ognennyj angel''(a bit in German way) better explains the Russian prononciation than ''Ognenny angel''. Probably it would be better to ask the opinion Alex Bakharev? What do you think?
:([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 19:24, 3 May 2006 (UTC))
==== Bakharev's verdict ====
The Fiery Angel (Prokofiev)
Arguably Ognenniy is closer to Russian pronunciation, but lets stick to the wikipedia guidelines. I have checked google, so Ognenny [1] provides 57 references, Ognenniy [2] provides 17 and Ognennïy [3] provides 24. Thus, there is no single common spelling and Ognenny is even slightly more common than both Ognenniy and Ognennïy combine. The rules for romanization also gives Ognenny. So I think we should use Ognenny. abakharev 20:55, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
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:Good. That's fine by me. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 22:08, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
====[[Alexey Verstovsky]]====
My answer: Yes.
I will do some coverage some time later.
Regerds ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 17:30, 3 May 2006 (UTC))
:Please look at the Alexey Verstovsky article.
:Yours ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 09:54, 4 May 2006 (UTC))
====[[Askold's Grave]] ====
Dear S., I made very fast sketch. It needs editing. Sorry, haave no more time. Have to go.
Yours, Dmitri ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 12:42, 4 May 2006 (UTC))
:Thanks, that looks good, although I didn't understand ''the Unknown'' in the synopsis. What was that? [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 17:41, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
==== Renard + Askold's Grave ====
You wrote: I am surprised this is controversial, however if it isn't regarded as an opera we can simply take it off our list. - Kleinzach 20:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I do not think that this is a problem. I would leave this piece in the opera list - it has all features of it. There are so many pieces that have to be related to a few different categories.
:Yes, no problem now that it is entitled [[Renard (Stravinsky)]]
I made a lot of additions to [[Askold's Grave]]. Please, have a look and tide it up. Thanks ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 20:37, 5 May 2006 (UTC))
: Yes, thanks. I have done one edit. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 23:08, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
==== The Unknown Man ====
I tried to explain the function of the Unknown, and the article is grown as a swollen cheek (this is Russion expression). Sorry for that. ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 15:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC))
:That's good, but i still wonder about ''Unknown'' as a translation. Is there an alternative? Perhaps ''stranger'' or ''the man without a name'' or ''the man in black'' or whatever . . . . Any ideas? - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 15:55, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
There is already a tradition to translate this role as the Unknown, and for me this is all right. There are alternatives:
*The Incognito,
*The Nameless,
*The Unnamed,
*The Anonymous,
*The Stranger that I like less, however they are probably more appropriate for the English ear. Please make your choice. Another better possibility to replace it everywhere with “Neizvestnyi” – how it sounds in Russian, but to give for the first time in brackets: (The Unknown) (????) ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 16:41, 6 May 2006 (UTC))
::How about ''the nameless man'' then? I think that would be OK if it is not a mistranslation. What do you think? - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 16:53, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
''The nameless man'' is not so bad and we may consider using this, but probably as "the Nameless Man" - beginning with big letters (because this is the name of a character). However this is slightly mistranslation because, “Neizvestnyi” perhaps has some name but nobody in knows it the opera. "The Srtanger" is also wrong - he is less stranger than some the main personages who suppose to be from Viking (Varangian) origin - Neizvestnyi probably is local Slavonian.
"Neizvestnyi" means exactly "un-known", What if we will translate this as "the Unknown Man"? ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 17:40, 6 May 2006 (UTC))
:''The Unknown Man'' is fine. Normally roles which are not proper names don't have capitals, however they are usually unimportant roles so I think we can make an exception here for the Unknown Man. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 17:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
I've done it. ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 18:22, 6 May 2006 (UTC))
:Excellent. One other thing: I think we need the full names of the 1835 role creators. Would this be difficult to get? [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 18:27, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't think that I can get them. My sources give only surnames. But I will try.
([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 22:08, 6 May 2006 (UTC))
==== Singers ====
Here are the three new entries:
*[[Nadezhda Repina]]
*[[Nikolai Lavrov]]
*[[Alexander Bantyshev]]([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 09:11, 7 May 2006 (UTC))
:Very good. I have done a little copy editing. What is next? - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 10:15, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
==== Francesco Araja ====
I created a new entry [[Francesco Araja]] - the name that is important for the history of Russian Opera ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 10:50, 9 May 2006 (UTC))
:That's impressive! I have done a first copy edit. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 11:03, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
==== Tsefal i Prokris ====
[[Tsefal i Prokris]] and [[Gavrilo Martsenkovich]] these new entries need your correction. Thank you. ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 16:13, 9 May 2006 (UTC))
I also made some impovements and changes into [[Araja]] ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 16:14, 9 May 2006 (UTC))
:What voice type (tenor etc.) was [[Gavrilo Martsenkovich]]? [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 19:26, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
==== Demofonte (Berezovsky) ====
Here is one more new article for your attention [[Demofonte (Berezovsky)]].
Yours, ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 15:07, 11 May 2006 (UTC))
:Perhaps the list of other operas called Demofonte should go on the Metastasio page? What do you think? [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 19:28, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't think so, because Demofonte is one of many dozens of Metastasio libretti,
and putting such long lists into his article would make it too big.
We probably would have similar problem with the operas on Pushkin subjects, or Shakespeare.
It would be probably right to create (in the future) some sub-pages related to the libretti
of multiple use. But now I would leave it as it is. Probably you have better solution?
([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 20:58, 11 May 2006 (UTC))
:You are right, I have found a model page for another Metastasio text: [[L'Olimpiade]]. I think we should do a similar one. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 21:10, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
As you see, I've done this: [[Demofonte]], [[Demofonte (Berezovsky)]]. I'm sure, these new pages need your edit. Thanks.
([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 08:20, 12 May 2006 (UTC))
:Excellent. One thing: Grove give ''Demofoonte'' rather than Demofonte. Is there any special reason to prefer the shorter spelling? - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 21:22, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I think the both forms are acceptable.
The most of Russian sources give the Romanize transcription ''Demofonte'' or ''Il Demofonte''(as well as some Italian, German and English).
See, for example, the information on the CD cover:
[http://www.marecordings.com/main/product_info.php?products_id=90 link about Berezovsky's opera]
Google gives:
*859 articles with the ''Demofonte''
*922 with ''Demofon''
*19,300 of the form ''Demofoonte''
*50,100 with form ''Demophon''
Very unfortunately I have no ''Opera Grove Dictionary'' - I would love to see the Taruskin's article.
If you think that we have to follow Grove,(like it was with Knayfel) please, could you help me to redirect and to rename the both pages into ''Demofoonte'' or ''Il Demofoonte''. Thank you very much for your editing of my poor English. Yours, ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 23:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC))
:Not at all. Re-Demofonte/Demofoonte I think you are right. If both forms are used and there are re-directs I don't think it's a big problem. Let's leave it as it is even if Grove prefers Demofoonte. Reg. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 00:02, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
==== The Nightingale and the Rose ====
Here are two more completely new pages [[The Nightingale and the Rose (Firsova)]] and [[The Nightingale and the Rose]].
Please have a look. Yours ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 17:20, 13 May 2006 (UTC))
:Excellent! I have done an edit. [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 18:36, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
==== Korndorf ====
*[[MR (Marina and Rainer)]]
*[[Nikolai Korndorf]]
Please, have a look.
([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 13:58, 14 May 2006 (UTC))
====Vasily Pashkevich====
Here is a new entry: [[Vasily Pashkevich]]. I am worried about the English grammar here and in the yesterday's article [[Nikolai Korndorf]] (especially in the Quotations part). ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 16:07, 15 May 2006 (UTC))
:I have done an edit. Please let me know if I have misinterpreted anything. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 17:55, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Dear S, thank you for your edits. Only one detail is not entirely corect. The title of Korndorf's piece ''Confessiones'' (this is a spelling from his catalogue, and therefore authorized) you altered to ''Confessions''. I think that the composer meant the Latin (or Italian) ''Confessione'' in plural. I have no Latin or Italian, and am not sure that this is grammaticaly correct, however I think it would be right thing to return to the previous spelling. Please advise. Yours ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 18:41, 15 May 2006 (UTC))
:I changed it because you had ''Confessions'' in the text above the list - so I thought it was a mistake. I agree that we should use whatever spelling is correct - it doesn't have to be English. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 18:46, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
====[[Yevstigney Fomin]]====
[[Evstigney Fomin]] - here is another article ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 14:36, 16 May 2006 (UTC))
:Grove has Yevstigney (Ipat'yevich) Fomin. Can we use that to avoid confusion? - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 14:58, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree and already made the necessary alterations to [[Yevstigney Ipat'yevich Fomin]] with the patronimic name without the brackets. Could you help me to redirect the article to the [[Yevstigney Fomin]]? I am still unable to do this myself. Yours, ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 15:40, 16 May 2006 (UTC))
:It's easy to change - you use the ''Move'' button at the top of the page. It automatically creates a redirect - a useful feature. I have used the name without the patronymic as there don't seem to be any other people called Fomin around. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 17:39, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
::I have changed some of the opera titles to the names used by Taruskin/Grove. Hope that is OK. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 18:08, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Abraham translated this: ''Miller – magician, deceiver and match-maker'',
You changed to: ''The Miller who was a Wizard, a Cheat and a Match-maker''
Is this taken from New Grove Opera?
If not I would suggest ''The Miller who is a Wizard, a Cheat and a Match-maker'' ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 18:12, 16 May 2006 (UTC))
Sorry, I am a bit late with my question.
I don't understand Taruskin's '''''was''''' and suggest '''''is''''', or am I wrong?
([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 18:12, 16 May 2006 (UTC))
:The original title - ''Miller – magician, deceiver and match-maker'' - was not really clear. So I used the one given by Taruskin. This had the advantage of avoiding the confusion that can be caused by multiple names for the same work. Regarding ''was'' and ''is'', I think it is normal to use the past tense in titles, in the sense that the story (presumably) happened in the past. Of course in this case, I don't know the opera so I am trusting Taruskin (and the Grove editors).
:I also saw that a number of the other titles were not ideally translated - which made me trust Taruskin more. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 21:32, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
====[[Nikolai Karetnikov]]====
Here is another Russian opera composer.
([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 15:21, 17 May 2006 (UTC))
====[[Hermann Raupach]]====
Here is [[Hermann Raupach]] the composer of the 2nd Russian Opera. ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 22:43, 20 May 2006 (UTC))
==== Russian opera ====
Thanks for your correction. Here is the article [[Russian opera]] suggested by you. I spent on it quite a few hours, but quite enjoyed, and learned something. By the way, this is just a beginning, and it needs a serious expanding. Please have a look. Yours, ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 00:07, 22 May 2006 (UTC))
:Extremely useful article. I have done a first edit. More later. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 09:38, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
==== [[Mikhail Sokolovsky]] ====
One more short entry ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 10:30, 22 May 2006 (UTC))
Plus three more stubs: [[Vincenzo Manfredini]] — [[Ivan Kerzelli]] — [[Giovanni Alberto Ristori]] ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 16:13, 22 May 2006 (UTC))
:Great. I have processed these as well. [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 09:40, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
==== [[Kerzelli]] ====
I also added an article [[Kerzelli]] to sort out the confusion with his name. ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 10:20, 23 May 2006 (UTC))
==[[User:Buondelmonte]]==
I need to know his IP address to be able to unblock it. Your friend is probably using a shared IP address and another vandal was probably using it yesterday. --[[User:Madchester|Madchester]] 17:56, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
:it's very difficult to remove a block, if I don't know your friend's IP address. I've been working on a rash of vandalism patrols lately and I don't want to release an IP used by a blocked vandal editor.... I don't want to release the IP addresses of such editors prematurely. --[[User:Madchester|Madchester]] 00:03, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
==Popular Russian singers==
==== Anna German ====
Your classification of russian singers doesn't make any sense. Not every singer can be put in a strict classification of pop/opera/bard. For instance, you moved Anna German to Opera Singers category, while she can hardly be described as one. She never sang in opera theatre and recorded only one LP of classical music (Scarlatti).[[User:Mag2k|Mag2k]] 10:23, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
:Signature please. I would like to know who you are, otherwise I will delete this message. [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 18:55, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
::Thanks for signing. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 10:26, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
====Popular Russian singers====
Please stop categorizing all Russian singers as pop singers (e.g. Psoy Korolenko, Nikolai Fomenko). Russian pop is a well-definted genre and many (probably most) Russian singers do not fall under it. Please find out more about the singer in question before making these 'corrections'. Thanks, {{country|flagicon|Israel|size={{{size|}}}}} [[User:Ynhockey|Ynhockey]] <sup>([[User talk:Ynhockey|Talk]])</sup> 09:22, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
:I am sorry if I have offended against some special definition of 'Russian pop'. That was not my intention. If that is your field I suggest you go ahead and make a specific category(ies). I would merely point out that categorizing all popular artists simply as 'Russian singers' is unhelpful to readers. Please go ahead and categorize them as you think is appropriate. Thanks. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 09:33, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
::Actually you offended in the fact that you put some good singers in the same category as pop ;) but anyway, not all Russian singers are easy to categorize. For example, Psoy Korolenko writes and performs his own songs, but does not necessarily write the music, and is too far from the Russian bard 'tradition' to call him a bard anyway. Or for instance, [[Maxim Galkin]] mostly sings parodies, but he has also sung some regular songs with [[Alla Pugacheva]], so I guess he can be put into 'pop singers' and 'parody singers' at the same time, but that still does not encompass what Galkin does in singing (he basically sings whatever the studios tell him). The category Russian singers isn't very large (yet) anyway, so I don't think it's a problem yet. -- {{country|flagicon|Israel|size={{{size|}}}}} [[User:Ynhockey|Ynhockey]] <sup>([[User talk:Ynhockey|Talk]])</sup> 09:46, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
:::I certainly didn't intend any kind of pejorative labelling! I was merely trying to give some apparently orphaned and abandoned pages a good home! Anyway I will leave the categorization to you. Good luck. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 10:00, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
== Fair use image removal notification ==
I've previously removed fair use images from your userspace, and you have raised a concern about it. I've started [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Durin and fair use image removals]]. You may wish to review and comment. --[[User:Durin|Durin]] 13:50, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
:Right, I remember, you removed an Apple logo from my user page to make sure that Apple didn't sue Wikipedia. I am not training to be an American copyright lawyer so I'll pass on this. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 17:55, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
:*Well ok :) But, could you take a look at the RfC anyways? It's not about copyright law, but about how the removals should be handled. I'm hoping somebody with an opposition view to mine will put together another view for consideration to help debate the issue. I've notified all people I could think of that might have an opposition view, which is why I contacted you. All the best, --[[User:Durin|Durin]] 20:53, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
== Spelling Reversion ==
Well what do we do when someone makes an edit changing spelling from one version to the other? I was simply reverting such an edit (ise to ize). I was under the impressing that since we are not supposed to make edits like that, reverting was the proper reaction. Are we supposed to allow ise>ize edits without reverting, even though they're against WP policy? I just want to know for future reference. :) [[User:Carl.bunderson|Carl.bunderson]] 18:57, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks for your reply. I don't think these changes are worth reverting. If there is a comprehensive attempt to Americanize or de-Americanize a whole article then there may be a problem and the intention of the editor may be bad, but in this case we don't know why it was changed. Maybe the editor just thought it was a spelling mistake? I don't see a problem here. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 19:40, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
::Ok, I'll keep that in mind. Thanks! [[User:Carl.bunderson|Carl.bunderson]] 21:50, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
== Russian opera singers ==
I wonder if you are interested in modern Russian singers? Very few of them have articles.
For example we lack pages on Olga Borodina, Larissa Diadkova, Vladimir Galouzine, Galina Gorchakova and Sergei Leiferkus and probably lots of others. We also don't have articles on 'golden age' singers such as Zara Dolukhanova, Alexander Kipnis, Nina Koshetz, Antonina Nezhdanova, Mark Reizen, Ivan Kozlovsky and Sergei Lemeshev.
Or perhaps you might know someone else who would like to write them up? Regards. Kleinzach 17:10, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Meladina"
:Dear S, It is not me who wrote to you the message above. It is pity that that person left no signature. He (or she), as it seems to me, could contribute in this better than me. Of course I can try to help in this area as well, even if it is not part of my plan. What I actially plan to do is to complete the article on [[Russian opera]] adding to this 19th and 20th centuries. For this I have to find some spare time that actually I have not got. I would be quite interested to write about Ivan Semyonovich Koslovsky, whom I knew personally - I have met him and had a few interesting conversations. Thank you so much for all your editing. Yours, ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 00:45, 24 May 2006 (UTC))
::Yes indeed, I know it wasn't you! And yes, I agree that your excellent Russian Opera article is more important. I was really wondering whether you had any friends who might be interested in working on Russian Opera singers. They are really neglected compared to western European and American artists - even very famous people like Nezhdanova and Reizen are not covered.
::Where did you meet Koslovsky? I believe he died in 1993. An article on him would be great.- [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 08:19, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
:::I met him in March 1981 in the place named Ruza (c70 miles from Moscow). My wife and I stayed in the cottage that was suddenly visited by Kozlovsky (on March 21). It was unforgetable meeting. And he was incredibly friendly. That time he was 81, but he was still able to sing well. We met him a few times during the next few days. ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 08:54, 24 May 2006 (UTC))
::::Fascinating! Have you thought of putting your own biography on your user page? I am sure you have had a lot of interesting experiences in the world of Russian music. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 09:03, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
:::::I sent you e-mail. Hope it reached you. ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 12:31, 24 May 2006 (UTC))
:::::: A new entry: [[Ivan Kozlovsky]]([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 18:08, 24 May 2006 (UTC))
::::::: Thank you for the reading and correcting this entry. Do you think this is acceptable or it needs some improvement? I sent you another e-mail. All the best. ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 20:43, 25 May 2006 (UTC))
It's excellent - well up to Wikipedia standard - and great to have some good pictures. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 20:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
:However I did some additions to it that you probably did not see yet. ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 20:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC))
::It is all OK except perhaps "House of Literators" which I don't really understand. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 21:40, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
:::Well, I found the right name of this incredibly famous place after Mikhail Bulgakov set parts of his brilliant novel, "[[The Master and Margarita]]" (did you read this?) in the "Central House of Writers" restaurant. (Meladina)
::::Here is a new entry: [[Sergei Lemeshev]]. Regards, ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 08:36, 26 May 2006 (UTC))
Please see a new entry [[Mark Reizen]]. Yours ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 14:06, 27 May 2006 (UTC))
:That's great. Wonderful voice incidentally. One thing: why do you say he is ''Russian and Ukrainian''? I thought he was Ukrainian. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 10:36, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
::He was probably a Jew, but he was born in Ukraine and Ukrainians insist that he was an Ukrainian singer ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 13:50, 29 May 2006 (UTC))
:::Yes that's fine, but why list him as Russian? That's what I didn't understand. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 17:17, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
::::I'll try to explain. He was an Ukrainian singer because he was born in Ukraine and sang in Charkov's opera. He was Russian singer because he was born in the Russian Empire, and lived and sang in Leningrad and Moscow. He probably tried to hide his Jewish origin because of pogroms and common antisemitism as a normal practice in both Ukraine and Russia, however it was almost impossible. Russian means rather a citizen of Russia like British is citizen of Britain. ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 19:51, 29 May 2006 (UTC))
:::::I don't know Wikipedia's policy on this. In the case of the British Isles I (personally) do not use the term British, but as far as possible English, Scottish, Welsh or Irish. Certainly non-one is ever called 'British and English'. But in the case of 'Ukrainian and Russian' I am not qualified to judge. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 20:40, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
I've just made a series of corrections and additions to another legendary Russian opera singer of 18th century, soprano [[Praskovya Zhemchugova]] ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 21:23, 27 May 2006 (UTC))
:I don't really understand how this section fits into the biography. It seems out of place: ''At the end of the [[1780]]s the actors of the troupe [[Medox]] (a female section of Sheremetev's troupe supervised by [[M.S. Sinyavskaya]]) began to teach the serf actors.'' However for the time being I have left it where it is.
::You are right. I've taken this off ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 13:50, 29 May 2006 (UTC))
Here is another Kozlovsky, an opera composer [[Osip Kozlovsky]]. Regards ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 22:36, 27 May 2006 (UTC))
:That's terrific. I'll try to catch up tomorrow! - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 22:49, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
::I have done a copy edit now. Can you have a look? I found some parts of it a bit difficult to understand, but I hope it's OK. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 17:38, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
==== Re-organisation/Logo ====
I want to discuss the topics that I've put into [[Talk:Russian opera]] ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 08:05, 29 May 2006 (UTC))
==== a couple of new entries ====
I answered two of your questions above and added 2 more entries:
[[Giuseppe Bonecchi]]
[[Giovanni Battista Locatelli]]
(Still waiting for your more detailed thoughts. Other possible subjects are: "Doctor Zhivago", "Karamazoffs", "Idiot" (did you read these?).
([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 14:02, 29 May 2006 (UTC))
==== Grigory Frid ====
This is another article about a Russian opera composer [[Grigory Frid]].
It needs some editing, I think. ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 08:43, 30 May 2006 (UTC))
====[[Ivan Kozlovsky]] again====
I disagree with the decision of the User "[Reichenbach] m (erroneous category (Russia =/ SU))" of taking off the Category:Russian opera singer. My opinon: it has to be restored. ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 18:37, 30 May 2006 (UTC))
:I think it is necessary to have a discussion with everybody involved and come to a compromise. This nationality problem occurs quite often. We had a similar problem with Handel. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 18:43, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
== Opera templates code ==
I see you have added some code to the opera templates. Can you tell me what this does? Thanks. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 09:30, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
* The line I added strictly provides a link to the Romanian templates that I took the liberty to copy from en.wiki, therefore from you. Being placed between two '''noinclude''' code modifiers --> '''<nowiki><noinclude>[[ro:Format:Whatever]]</noinclude></nowiki>''' <-- it does not affect nor change the format. Moreover, it is "invizible" on absolutly any page, except for its own one, on which it functions as an interwiki connection. Quite some time ago, I noticed it is common practice to place interwiki links not only on any article or category, but also on the templates pages. In fact, it leads the reader from a certain language to the original ''xy.pedia'' on which the template was create and gives (indirectly, that's true!) a kind of recognition for the work that person has done. Thank you for making those templates. They are nice, plain and very intuitive. [[User:Wars|Wars]] 14:48, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
::Thanks for explaining. I was just puzzled. Of course I am delighted if the templates are useful. Good luck. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 15:36, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
==Stefan Zucker; Rock Opera==
I rewrote the [[Stefan Zucker]] entry. Have you ever heard him sing? Hilarious! By the way, I disagree with your response to the guys who suggested adding info re [[rock opera]] to the opera pages. See the talk page. I really think you should re-think that. --[[User:Ssilvers|Ssilvers]] 16:13, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
:Thank you. I have already done the latter. The question is not whether 'Rock opera' should be covered on Wikipedia but whether 'Rock opera' is a legitimate genre of opera. How about putting a biographical note up about yourself so that we know who you are? Regards - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 16:23, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
::Look, I have no interest in rock opera. I've seen some of them. But they are operas. Have you seen a number of them? Also, I don't feel like having personal info about me on the internet. I'm a lawyer in NYC and I sing. FYI, I have performed Figaro in Mozart's Nozze, Don G. in Don G., Papageno in Flute, Alcindoro and Benoit in Boheme, and a number of other opera roles, but mostly I have done G&S. --[[User:Ssilvers|Ssilvers]] 16:51, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
::ps I also rewrote/shortened the [[Joseph Volpe (opera)]] article more. See what you think. --[[User:Ssilvers|Ssilvers]] 17:14, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
:::Do you know how many opera genres there are? We found a list of 1,505 of them (composers often try to be original). So if we are going to list the 20 most important ones, they have to be pretty ''relevant''. You express yourself in very definite terms - not doubt that is the style of a New York lawyer - but I hope you will respect the views of the various contributors here some of whom have been writing about opera for years in scholarly journals etc.
:::Well done with [[Joseph Volpe (opera)]]. The main thing with articles like this one (and Zucker) is to avoid a point of view. Wikipedia is all about facts not opinions - you put those in your blog. Incidentally it still needs some wikification - links to people, places etc. even if these are red. [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 17:29, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
::::Thanks. I enjoyed contributing. I appreciate what you are saying, but frankly it is nonsense. This is not the "original" genre of one composer. If the only rock opera were "Tommy", then I agree that it would not be a big deal. But there are dozens of them. Moreover, think about what is most frequently performed in the world. Les Miserables is performed more than all the entrants in some of your major "genres". There is no opinion here. Here is a big body of operas that you are ignoring because you are buying into a prejudiced notion promulgated by the opera establishment. I urge you to rise above that and look at the body of work. I still have not heard any reasoned analysis as to why these are not operas. The only distinctions that I can see are that they are not sung by "operatically trained" voices and that they are played by amplified instruments. But they (or at least many of them) have all the other characteristics that describe opera. They have dramatic stories told by music; the music is often more important than the lyrics and libretto; they often have no dialogue; the score is a series of arias and recit or arioso, scenas, and all the other musical indicia of opera. Unfortunately, the rock opera page is not in very good shape yet, but I don't think you would dismiss a genre simply because the Wiki page is not stablized. Your sarcastic snipes at my profession (or ___location) and at the fellow who merely asked the question on the opera talk page do not make me think that you "respect the views of the various contributors here...." I hope I am wrong and that you will take a serious look at this large body of opera. --[[User:Ssilvers|Ssilvers]] 18:20, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
:::::I don't have time for this kind of discussion. Presumably you have seen what I wrote on the Opera article talk page. No doubt other people will express opinions as well. It's important to define your terms and not make bald, unsupported statements otherwise it's just a waste of time. Wikipedia is written from an international, neutral point of view. There is no need to push your views on other people. If you are interested in a subject then go ahead and write about it. That's how Wikipedia works - not by telling other people they are taking 'nonsense'. Basta! - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 18:51, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
::::::I apologize for calling your assertion nonsense. What I meant to say is that your statement that this body of work is not opera has not been supported by any facts or analysis. I think I've given as much support as I can for my statements, so I agree that, unless you want to discuss the subject, I have done all I can. --[[User:Ssilvers|Ssilvers]] 19:06, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
:::::::We are debating whether or not 'Rock opera' is a major genre of opera (and therefore should be listed as such). I say it isn't for the reasons given on the [[Opera]] talk page. (Oh, and by the way, I have seen Les misérables.) [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 19:28, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
== Motezuma versus Montezuma ==
With the removal of the questionable 1992 TV film reference, I think that the facts on the [[Motezuma]] aerticle are now substantially correct, so a disclaimer doesn't seem to be necessary.
I shall try to find an account of the Dusseldorf performances.
[[User:Vivaverdi|Vivaverdi]] 12:15, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
====Barga====
I'd not heard of it either, but shall add it to the Opera Festivals page and do some research for an article - unless you'd prefer to do (with your Scottish connectin 'n all.......).
Karyl Charna Lynn's "Italian Opera Houses and Festivals" has one page on it.
[[User:Vivaverdi|Vivaverdi]] 12:27, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
==Meladina's Russian opera articles (June 2006)==
====Three entries====
Today i did 3 entries: [[Galina Sergeeva]], [[Alexander Ablesimov]] & [[Isaak Dunayevsky]] ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 00:47, 1 June 2006 (UTC))
:What is a 'meladeclamation'? I don't know this word. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 07:51, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
[[Melodeclamation]] = short concert piece, a kind of melodrama = a reading with music accompaniment.
(I've just create this entry)
I added the following paragraph, could you check please?
"There is an interesting fact: after Dunayevsky’s death it was found in his archive the opera libretto “Rashel” (1943) by Mikhail Bulgakov, previously totally unknown. The libretto was based on [[Guy de Maupassant]]’s [[Mademoiselle Fifi]]. Published in a book by Naum Shafer (see references and links below)."
Probably it can be placed in "Do you know..."?
([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 08:24, 1 June 2006 (UTC))
I found a reference: [http://www.answers.com/topic/vladimir-ivanovich-rebikov reference]
"a music technique, "melodeclamation," a type of rhythmic vocal writing that bears a resemblance to Sprechstimme."
([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 08:28, 1 June 2006 (UTC))
:Ah! The problem was the spelling mistake! - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 09:04, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Where can I find the text of yout definition of opera? ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 09:15, 1 June 2006 (UTC))
:At [[Talk:Opera]] under 'Rock Opera, anyone?' - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 09:18, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
::Another derfinition: '''meladeclamation, a declamation by Meladina!''' - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 09:21, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::'''This is a very important definition worthy of a separate Wikipedia article!''' ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 11:13, 1 June 2006 (UTC))
:::Dear S, I placed my opinion. Sorry I contradict you. I do not think we have to loose our time in this discussion.
We will not decide - the time will show who is right. ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 09:49, 1 June 2006 (UTC))
:Yes indeed. A composer's viewpoint is different from that of an editor/writer! Actually this argument has come up before. We were accused of being Euro-centric by not including Chinese opera etc. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 09:53, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
==== Mikhail Popov ====
Opera librettist [[Mikhail Popov]] ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 13:38, 1 June 2006 (UTC))
:Done. Incidentally do you have definite/indefinite articles in Russian? I don't know if this helps but ''the'' in English is basically specific, while ''a'' and ''an'' are non-specific. Maybe it's tricky? [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 16:22, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
:I understand this, and if I have any articles in English, I quote them first. However if I can't get them, I have no choice. ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 16:36, 1 June 2006 (UTC))
::No, no definite/indefinite articles not (paper/journal) articles! - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 16:48, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
I’ve just created an article [[Philharmonic Academy of Bologna]], but then I have found the stub [[Accademia Filarmonica of Bologna]]. I think it is necessary to merge them or to eliminate the stub. Please, help. ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 16:36, 1 June 2006 (UTC))
:I have done a redirect. they are easy to do. Here is the code:
#REDIRECT [[Philharmonic Academy of Bologna]]
:[[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 16:48, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
==== [[Mikhail Popov]] again ====
You corrected my text, changing the order "with it" into "it with": "He also worked on [[Slavic mythology]] with an idea to replace it with [[Greek mythology|Greek]] and [[Roman mythology|Roman]]."
Sorry for my English, but I wanted to say something different. The idea of Popov was patriotic and completely opposite: to replace [[Greek mythology|Greek]] and [[Roman mythology|Roman]]" popular in Russia of that time, with [[Slavic mythology]], that had to be reinvented because was practically unknown in Russia.([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 16:48, 1 June 2006 (UTC))
:No problem, sometimes I will not understand correctly, in which case please go ahead and re-edit. [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 16:51, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
::Oh, please do it for me: I do nok know how to do it best. ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 16:54, 1 June 2006 (UTC))
:::What I mean is that when you find I have misunderstood - which will happen - you should step in and correct iot. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 11:22, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
==== Front page ====
Did you noticed Russian opera of the 18th century at the front page of Wikipedia? ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 11:11, 2 June 2006 (UTC))
:Yes, congratulations. We should try to make your Russian opera article a featured article in due course. My own view is that it may be best to put it all in one article under ''Russian opera'' at that point to get maximum exposure. [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 11:24, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
::::Thank you. I am very happy with this. About the merging two articles in one I am not sure. I afraid it will be too long. And second reason: in future I am going to write two (or three) more separate articles on 19th and 20th (profably also on 21st) centuries. ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 11:57, 2 June 2006 (UTC))
==== Karl Kniper Theatre ====
[[Karl Kniper Theatre]] added today ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 19:25, 2 June 2006 (UTC))
::Grove give Knipper with two 'p's. I wonder if we should change the title? - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 12:47, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Kniper is another spelling of the same name. In my sources Karl Kniper always has one 'p'. So I will make the both spellings available. ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 14:16, 4 June 2006 (UTC))
*[[Catherine II and opera]]
: Can you provide romanization for the titles? I think that would be helpful. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 10:15, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
::Done ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 14:16, 4 June 2006 (UTC))
:::What I mean is that you need to provide both a romanization and an English translation in order to make it easy to identify the items. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 08:12, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
*[[Fevey]] ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 11:21, 3 June 2006 (UTC))
==== Russian opera ====
So, following your advice, I merged two articles in one.
I also created a subpage with [[Russian opera articles]]
Now we have to eliminate [[Russian opera in the 18th century]].
Please, help. ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 12:21, 3 June 2006 (UTC))
:At the moment, there is a redirect. I think that's OK, isn't it? Or is there another problem? - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 22:07, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
::No problem! I've manages to solve it myself. ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 07:05, 4 June 2006 (UTC))
====Dunayevsky====
I've just received a message:
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|On June 4, '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know?]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Isaak Dunayevsky]]''''', which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on [[:Template talk:Did you know|the "Did you know?" talk page]].
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:You obviously have connections in high places! - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 08:15, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
How are you? Yesterday I've been to the concert at Barbican. Coming to the concert, I saw the wooden sculpture dedicated to the composer Felix Mendelsohn Bartoldi vandalised - it was knocked down and some fragments were brocken into pieces. It was a 500 year old birch tree and it was said Mendelsohn liked to sit near composing his music. This is why, I think, the question of nationality is still very delicate one, when we have to define it at the pages of Wikipedia. By the way, Dunayevsky also was a Jew. Your ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 23:32, 4 June 2006 (UTC))
:I've never heard of this sculpture. Where is it? Vandals in England can be quite stupid, I doubt if they would know that Mendelsssohn was Jewish. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 08:17, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
==== Vladimir Rebikoff ====
I've expanded this from a very short stub: [[Vladimir Rebikoff]] ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 23:46, 4 June 2006 (UTC))
==== [[Russian opera]] again ====
It seems to me that I have completed [[Russian opera]]. It needs your assistance. Yours ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 07:57, 5 June 2006 (UTC))
:Not there yet. Pls see my note on Catherine the Great (above). - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 08:13, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
:: I've just did both tranliteration and translation of all the titles in [[Catherine the Great]] article. Yours,([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 09:17, 5 June 2006 (UTC))
==== Rebikoff's problem ====
There are two identical articles:
[[Vladimir Rebikov]] and [[Vladimir Rebikoff]].
I tried to eliminate [[Vladimir Rebikoff]] with making redirect to [[Vladimir Rebikov]],
but it seems that the link is corrupted and I had no success. The problem is just that if we make corrections in one article, we have to copy them into another, which is awkward. Sorry, ([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 09:42, 5 June 2006 (UTC))
:I don't understand this. Both articles were started by someone called Sketchee. What was he thinking? Grove has Rebikov, so perhaps we should use that? - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 09:53, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
::OK. I have fixed the redirects using [[Vladimir Rebikov]]. [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 10:02, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
====Page size problem ==
==Concern regarding [[Draft:L'Ascension]]==
I've receivead a message that [[Russian opera]] article is 41kb long. The size has to be no more than 32kb.
[[File:Information.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Hello, Kleinzach. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that [[Draft:L'Ascension]], a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months [[WP:G13|may be deleted]], so if you wish to retain the page, please [[Special:EditPage/Draft:L'Ascension|edit it]] again or [[WP:USERFY|request]] that it be moved to your userspace.
I will think what to do, but would be grateful to you for for an advise.
([[User:Meladina|Meladina]] 14:29, 5 June 2006 (UTC))
If the page has already been deleted, you can [[Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion/G13|request it be undeleted]] so you can continue working on it.
:Don't worry about it. There is really no problem unless you go much higher. There is a page explaining all about this on Wikipedia. Of course sometimes it is a good idea to make satellite pages, but there is no point in doing this unless it makes logistical sense. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 17:09, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. [[User:FireflyBot|FireflyBot]] ([[User talk:FireflyBot|talk]]) 01:02, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
== vocal range ==
== Good article reassessment for [[Parsifal]] ==
Hi, I've seen you write in the vocal range talk page.
[[Parsifal]] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the [[Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Parsifal/1|reassessment page]]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|~~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 03:55, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
About one week ago I posted a question about a talented italian singer,
== Nomination for deletion of [[:Template:WikiProject Richard Wagner/doc]] ==
but no one has replied...
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see the vocal range talk page...
but,are there samples of the georgia brown' record??? or sounds in the 9th octave?
is she a soprano?
==[[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Speedy deletion]] nomination of [[:Category:Compositions by Carlo Forlivesi]]==
:Can you please sign? I am really not sure what this is about . . . . [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 22:35, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
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==Alexander in India==
You're right, I just thought we were doing English titles, when translatable, but perhaps I was mistaken, in which case I'm happy to fix it up, just give me a shout. [[User:Makemi|Mak]] <font color="green">[[User_talk:Makemi|(talk)]]</font> 21:49, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
:Well, that makes perfect sense to me, and I was hesitant about putting it at the English title in the first place. Just goes to show I never read the directions :) I'll fix it. [[User:Makemi|Mak]] <font color="green">[[User_talk:Makemi|(talk)]]</font> 22:06, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
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== Size problem ==
== May music ==
I've receivead a message that [[Russian opera]] article is 41kb long. The size has to be no more than 32kb.
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I will think what to do, but would be grateful to you for for an advise.
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[[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#17 May|birthday]] of [[Erik Satie]] - can we get his article to GA for his centenary of death? - Your name is one of many in the history. -- [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 18:19, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
[[Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau]], born 100 years ago, [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#28 May|described by Alan Blyth]] - I remember working on Henze's [[Elegy for Young Lovers|Elegy]] together --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 19:58, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
:Don't worry about it. There is really no problem unless you go much higher. There is a page explaining all about this on Wikipedia. Of course sometimes it is a good idea to make satellite pages, but there is no point in doing this unless it makes logistical sense. - [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] 17:09, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
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