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== Concerns about the section "Lack of adoption" ==
It is fundamentally difficult to speak of "lack of adoption", of something that does not yet exist extensively. Decentraland and Meta's platform are specifically mentioned here as negative examples, which do not even fulfill the criteria of the Metaverse, such as interoperability, economic exchange, AR and VR, etc. The Metaverse is still in its absolute initial stages of development, and for example, according to reports from City Group, McKinsey, PwC, will only be ready for the market in 5-15 years. It is a slow process in which many standards must first be created and everyone continues to work on it. Furthermore, it is nonsense to compare Metaverse with AI, since AI will be a core technology of Metaverse. Using opinion articles with clickbait character as a basis for statements here should be reconsidered. [[User:Dave-George|Dave-George]] ([[User talk:Dave-George|talk]]) 12:28, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
:I have to agree with Dave-George. Specifically highlighting Decentraland's concurrent user of 8000 is a disservice to other metaverse implementations such as Second Life, Roblox, etc., which individually has daily active users orders of magnitude higher than Decentraland's. [[User:Pepoluan|pepoluan]] ([[User talk:Pepoluan|talk]]) 08:16, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
== Semi-protected edit request on 23 November 2023 ==
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Re:
Criticism and concerns
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"In an article for The New York Times on October 26, 2022, Ryan Mac, a technology reporter, claimed that for the past year, Mark Zuckerberg has struggled to find the best way to achieve the metaverse. He failed.[69]"
Given source article, suggest this is excessively negative interpretation, which mentions metaverse investment as only one factor in FB earnings call. Still - given reasonable editorial leeway - suggest minor edit (sentence 2) may be sufficient for a fix.
"In an article for The New York Times on October 26, 2022, Ryan Mac, a technology reporter, claimed that for the past year, Mark Zuckerberg has struggled to find the best way to achieve the metaverse. He has yet to succeed.[69] [[Special:Contributions/203.118.175.40|203.118.175.40]] ([[User talk:203.118.175.40|talk]]) 20:39, 23 November 2023 (UTC)"
:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Thriftycat|Thriftycat]] <sup>[[User talk:Thriftycat|Talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/Thriftycat|Contribs]]</sup></span> 03:41, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
== Removal of first three words ==
I’m wondering whether it would be a good idea to remove the three words starting this article (“In science fiction,”). Of course, the Metaverse can still be described as “hypothetical” in the first sentence, but the term has come into use outside purely science fiction contexts. I’m personally fine with either outcome, but I wanted to know what other editors thought. [[User:Gluonz|Gluonz]] ([[User talk:Gluonz|talk]]) 21:01, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
:Good point. My interpretation is that the lead describes three different uses: The "in science fiction" part is describing the one specific usage, "In colloquial usage" is describing something else, and "In scientific research" finishes the set. None of these usages are the same, but they all overlap, and the latter two derive from science fiction. One way to clarify this would be to say something like {{tq|The metaverse is a loosely-defined term which can have different meanings depending on context. In science fiction...}} That way it's clear that how its used in science fiction isn't the same as how its used in research or colloquially. That's a clunky proposal, but hopefully you get the idea. [[User:Grayfell|Grayfell]] ([[User talk:Grayfell|talk]]) 01:44, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
::I would even go one level further and suggest that metaverse discourse has reached a point where we might even be able to unify the three definitions by taking their common elements. From what I can see, these are all the traits that matter across all three:
::1. Digital/Virtual - All definitions
::2. Social interaction - All definitions
::3. Avatars - All definitions
::4. Three dimensional - Science fiction, academia and in my opinion enough of colloquial sources to qualify
::5. VR/AR - Science fiction, somewhat colloquial, emphasis missing in academic literature.
::6. Economic connection - Mainly just colloquial usage, especially via crypto hypesters, but also as trading economies. Lightly emphasised in science fiction, some coverage in academia - not sure about this one.
::I'll take a BOLD stab at it given the relatively low amount of attention on this article and we can discuss <span style="color:#ef5224">[[User:BrigadierG|BrigadierG]]</span> ([[User talk:BrigadierG|talk]]) 14:01, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
:::I would avood that becauae thats original research, unless there is sourcing that shows how the three definitions are connected. [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:07, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
::::The sources don't make any attempt to distinguish these as three definitions - the idea that there is a "science fiction meaning", a "scientific meaning" and a "colloquial meaning" is, itself, a kind of OR. All sources about "the metaverse" believe themselves to be talking about the same thing in a platonic sense. I'd argue it's actually a more accurate summary of the available sources for this reason. <span style="color:#ef5224">[[User:BrigadierG|BrigadierG]]</span> ([[User talk:BrigadierG|talk]]) 16:43, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::I've adjusted the lead, but it still needs more work. I don't think all sources about the metaverse believe they are referring to the same thing. Many of the sources note that the term is loose and often abused as a buzzword, and sources about the unsupported hype surrounding the term are abundant.
:::::Breaking it down into three categories was more about organizing sources to make it easier to explain than it was about making any sort of factual claim about how the term is categorized. I agree that implying that the term has been categorized as such would be OR, but we still need to explain these sources, and this still seems like a straightforward way to do it.
:::::Regardless, I really like having 'loose' in the first sentence. That helps make it very clear that the term is fuzzy.
:::::Also, while the term usually refers to 3D software, many augmented reality projects are 2D, and there are (or were) fully 2D self-described metaverse projects. The term has also been retroactively applied to 2D projects such as [[The Palace (computer program)|The Palace]], as well as text-based [[MUD]]s and similar. This, again, emphasizes how loose the term is. [[User:Grayfell|Grayfell]] ([[User talk:Grayfell|talk]]) 22:19, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
== Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2024 ==
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Change X:
"The metaverse is a loosely defined term referring to virtual worlds in which users represented by avatars interact,[1] usually in 3D and usually focused on social and economic connection."
Request change to Y:
The metaverse (or "meta" for short) is a loosely defined term referring to virtual worlds in which users represented by avatars interact,[1] usually in 3D and usually focused on social and economic connection.
*****(or "meta" for short)*****
The reason why: "meta" was used as a shorted term to mean "metaverse" way before Facebook Meta took hold of it. It should be made clear on this Wikipedia page that "meta" is the shortened version of "metaverse", like TV & television, etc.
Not everyone even uses Facebook, Instagram & WhatsApp - whereas the metaverse is for EVERYONE. [[Special:Contributions/90.243.245.205|90.243.245.205]] ([[User talk:90.243.245.205|talk]]) 14:39, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' please provide [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> <span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size: 90%;">[[User:QuietCicada|QuietCicada]]</span> <span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size: 70%;"> [[User talk:QuietCicada|chirp]]</span> 14:58, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
::Retail spatial evolution: paving the way from traditional to metaverse retailing
::https://www.academia.edu/22841392/Retail_spatial_evolution_paving_the_way_from_traditional_to_metaverse_retailing
::Papagian-nidis et al. [3] have argued that the table needs to be further extended by including the prefix ‘meta’, short for metaverse. Metaverses (a phrase first used in Neal Stephen-son’s [4] novel Snow Crash, in order to describe how a virtual reality-based Internetmight evolve in the future) are virtual worlds extending our physical universe byadding new dimensions and domains for economic, social and leisure activities [3].They are often referred to as synthetic worlds, highlighting the fact that these worldsare products of human actions[5]
::Electron Commer Res (2009) 9: 135–148
::DOI 10.1007/s10660-009-9030-8
::Published online: 10 March 2009© Springer Science+Business Media, LLC 2009
::"‘meta’, short for metaverse"
::There are endless examples of meta & metaverse together in tweets before Mark Zuckerberg's name change to Meta:
::Tweets from Oct 26, 2021 (still days before Meta Facebook was launched):
::“Help immortalize the SPACE³ Gallery located at -43,20 in the metaverse. The installation is a unique design & is intended to be a permanent installation for the meta.”
::Humans of the Metaverse > “The Meta City is growing”
::“Metaverse-me” > “Let alone “meta-worlds” (implying ‘metaverse worlds’)
::#Meta > let’s see your #metaverse ___domain lists!
::“Meta Monsters x Nemesis themed metaverse land”
::Etc.
::Use the search term/code: "meta metaverse until:2021-10-27" in X/Twitter. [external links removed]
::"meta metaverse until:2020-10-27"
::"meta metaverse until:2018-10-27"
::Etc.
::There are literally endless tweets linking meta to be the shortened form of metaverse, long before Facebook/Zuckerberg.
::Many #metaverse in conjunction with #meta dating way back
::--
::How to become a meta-star in 2015 in ten easy steps
::December 30, 2014
::https://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2014/12/how-to-become-a-meta-star-in-2015-in-ten-easy-steps/?utm_source=Metaverse&utm_medium=Twitter
::"A star of the metaverse. A meta-star."
::And corresponding tweet from Metaverse @Metaverse 4:59 AM · Dec 31, 2014
::HB: How to become a meta-star in 2015 in ten easy steps [link removed as not allowed] #Metaverse #Business
::--
::There will also be endless more examples on the web but this seems conclusive enough. [[Special:Contributions/90.243.245.205|90.243.245.205]] ([[User talk:90.243.245.205|talk]]) 17:59, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> A single paper from 15 years ago in a lesser-known journal is not enough to make this change. Tweets are not [[WP:UGC|reliable sources]], and the reliability of hypergridbusiness.com has never been [[WP:RSN|discussed]]. [[User:Jamedeus|Jamedeus]] ([[User talk:Jamedeus|talk]]) 21:22, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
::User-generated content (via many different individual human beings & many companies - with endless examples thereof…) from before Facebook / Zuckerberg’s name addition or change, should at least be taken into consideration for solid evidence of already existing pre-use of the term.
::That’s all we’re describing here, pre-use of the “meta” meaning for “metaverse” from before Facebook Meta Platforms.
::In a current search (not using before): "meta", "short for metaverse" >
::many are saying/believe in these articles that "meta" is simply “short for metaverse".
::For example,
::—
::'''Facebook Is Now Meta: Twitterverse Made Fun Of Facebook’s New Name'''
::<nowiki>https://www.indiatimes.com/technology/news/facebook-meta-twitter-reactions-552854.html</nowiki>
::“Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg announced that it was rebranding the company to ‘Meta’ -- short for metaverse,”
::Instantly everyone ALREADY KNEW (the day after) that “meta” was short for metaverse. NO LEARNING NECESSARY. It was already an established natural shortening progression in the [early on / in the process of creation] metaverse community.
::—
::<nowiki>https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-meta-narrative-what-weve-learned-from-the-facebook-papers</nowiki>
::“Meta is short for “metaverse,” a coinage from a dystopian sci-fi novel in which people retreat into virtual life to avoid their grim physical reality.”
::—
::However this shortening dates back to at least 15 years ago, as pointed out (surely by reputable human beings to humanity, taking the time to publish a scientific paper - i.e. not to be ignored), where at that time the concept of the metaverse was very early on, but clearly “meta” was/is a very obvious natural-evolutionary shortening progression of the word, and so is not-solely related to the business corporation “META Platforms”.
::Meta Platforms Inc. cannot use “meta” in its generic form as solely meaning “metaverse”.
::Meta Platforms is a corporation that is regularly in the news for abhorrent crimes to humanity, such as this reliable source:
::<nowiki>https://www.wsj.com/tech/meta-staff-found-instagram-subscription-tool-enabled-child-exploitation-the-company-pressed-ahead-anyway-a18e81e6</nowiki>
::"Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. The Company Pressed Ahead Anyway.
::The term “Meta” (I.e. metaverse) should not be completely tarnished by one irresponsible self-serving profiteering corporation!!!
::—
::There are also many/endless examples of “meta+word” with the exact corresponding meaning “metaverse+word”, as the natural progressed shortened form (that pre-date & post-date Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg ("They "trust me". '''Dumb f****'''.") > META Platforms), that is of beneficial use to ALL OF HUMANITY. ANYONE can use this naturally progressed shortening because it is ridiculous that they would not be able to, and have to instead use “metaverse+word” every time, because of a business, self-served profiteering corporation’s ownership claim of it!
::This is why this should be made VERY clear to everyone on this Wikipedia page.
::Brief examples include:
::'''Metaverse Navigator''' (イセカイナビ, ''Isekainabi'')[https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Help:Japanese '''<sup>?</sup>'''], '''Meta-Nav''' for short,
::Meta Zone (Metaverse Zone, or even just “Metas” as the shortened form of Metaverse Zones)
::Pre-dating Meta Platforms Inc.
::There’s also use of “word+meta” to mean exactly “word+metaverse”, e.g. Basketball Meta (either a basketball metaverse, or simply a zone within the metaverse). This should be available for everyone around the globe for potential naturally progressed evolved usage, not solely Meta Platforms.
::There are literally endless examples on social media, where the public communicates with each other! That is what we’re describing here, public use of the term, not attuning to corporate business interests. [[Special:Contributions/90.243.199.154|90.243.199.154]] ([[User talk:90.243.199.154|talk]]) 13:47, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
== Semi-protected edit request on 30 July 2024 ==
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Add "[[Spatial computing]]" to the "See also" section. [[Special:Contributions/67.209.130.101|67.209.130.101]] ([[User talk:67.209.130.101|talk]]) 23:52, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:Jamedeus|Jamedeus]] ([[User talk:Jamedeus|talk]]) 00:11, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
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== AltSpace VR shut down a while ago ==
In the "History and implementations" section, AltSpace VR was included as an example. The article should mention this game shut down a few years ago [[User:Meikiuwu|Meikiuwu]] ([[User talk:Meikiuwu|talk]]) 06:39, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
:Done. Thanks. [[User:Grayfell|Grayfell]] ([[User talk:Grayfell|talk]]) 07:24, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
== Semi-protected edit request on 28 December 2024 ==
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Make all links in the see also section annotated using the {{tl|annotated link}} template. [[Special:Contributions/67.209.130.93|67.209.130.93]] ([[User talk:67.209.130.93|talk]]) 03:06, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:{{not done}}:<!-- Template:ESp --> Annotated links are only needed when relevance is not clear, which I think it is for these, as per [[MOS:SEEALSO]] [[User:Ultraodan|Ultraodan]] ([[User talk:Ultraodan|talk]]) 06:57, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
== Semi-protected edit request on 30 January 2025 ==
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Fix the alphabetic order of the see also section. [[Special:Contributions/67.209.129.173|67.209.129.173]] ([[User talk:67.209.129.173|talk]]) 02:23, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
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