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==Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment==
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==On longevity==
According to Guinness World Records the oldest snake was a [http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/content_pages/record.asp?recordid=51003 40 year-old Red-tailed Boa ''(Boa constrictor)''], so the age of 48 would make this species the World's longest-lived snake. I did some searches, and found out about a Ball Python that died at the reported age of 49 years 4 months in Philadelphia Zoo (the same zoo as the Guinness approved boa!). But I found no more details, such as date of death, or if this snake was named. Another source gave this species a maximum age of 28 years in captivity. Clearly this calls for further research. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/80.221.220.31|80.221.220.31]] ([[User talk:80.221.220.31|talk]]) 23:28, 14 March 2006 (UTC)</small>
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In the ball python breeder community, lifespan is usually cited as 'up to 30 years', or '20 to 30 years', with the 48 year old or 49 year old record being mentioned in some cases. There is a lack of a reliable source for this information--most book authors simply go by the info provided by breeders for longevity. Scientific studies are lacking. The breeder estimate is probably the most accurate we have at the moment, and is better than nothing. Perhaps a note should be added that the longevity is an estimate.
[[Special:Contributions/68.13.83.50|68.13.83.50]] ([[User talk:68.13.83.50|talk]]) 03:07, 31 December 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Winged_Wolf|Winged_Wolf]] ([[User talk:Winged_Wolf|talk]]) 21:03, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
This is an old section, but somehow it's fresh again. There is currently an article circulating claiming that a 62 year old ball python has laid eggs. Several things should arouse suspicion: it cites a Mark Wanner, but this person has no existence prior to this article and has a linkedin that seems suspect as well. Also, the article mentions that ball pythons usually stop laying eggs before they are 60; given that Guinness cites a 42 year old boa as the oldest known snake, and the St Louis Zoo website does not mention a 60+ year old snake, I'm guessing we're looking at pure bunk. But before removing this from the article, please discuss. - [[User:Lvthn13|Lvthn13]] ([[User talk:Lvthn13|talk]]) 02:26, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
==Poisonous?==
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Ball pythons, like all pythons, are constrictors (squeeze their prey to death) and do not have any venom what so ever.
or do they....
As stated, constrictors are all nonvenomous and the article was updated to note that. [[User:Jhall1468|Jhall1468]] 07:06, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
NOOOOOOO
the royal python is not poisonous, i own one.
definitely not poisonous -
1) it's a constrictor :P
2) if it was toxic at all, it would be venomous, not poisonous. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:BlooTannery|BlooTannery]] ([[User talk:BlooTannery|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/BlooTannery|contribs]]) 07:28, 5 December 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
==Units?==
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I hope that wasn't a serious question. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/222.153.70.231|222.153.70.231]] ([[User talk:222.153.70.231|talk]]) 09:26, 19 September 2006 (UTC)</small>
if a snake lays eggs then it is definitely female <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Plant223|Plant223]] ([[User talk:Plant223#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Plant223|contribs]]) 22:38, 4 January 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
==On using commercial breeders as external links==
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Article was originally written in American English and will remain that way, since the topic isn't dialect-specific. [[User:Jhall1468|Jhall1468]] 08:54, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
i think that the article should be called Ball python because thats the way that people always say it and it would be really confusing if someone (like myself) searched up ball python and i could not find this article if it was renamed Royal python <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Plant223|Plant223]] ([[User talk:Plant223#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Plant223|contribs]]) 22:44, 4 January 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
==Article Cleanup and Citations==
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===Third opinion===
I'm here to give a third opinion. I don't see a hard conflict with [[WP:LEAD]], and [[WP:TREE]] is a project, not a Wikipedia guideline proper. That being said, I can see both sides of this issue. I tend to side with Jwinius's reasoning, but I see that featured articles like [[Cougar]] do not follow this pattern. Therefore, I think it should go back to Ball Python as being the main page name until such a time as the internal standards in WP:TREE are changed. --[[User:Flex|Fl<
:Keep in mind that the people at WP:TREE and those who busy themselves with articles on large mammals have never bothered with the level of organization that is being attempted here: the systematic categorization of scientific names, common names and taxonomic synonyms. Yes, I do things a little differently, but if you like what I'm doing, why throw out the baby with the bathwater? Progress is not possible without deviation from the norm. --[[User:Jwinius|Jwinius]] 21:28, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
::Deviation from the norm should come with a consensus, not an individual decision. I would love to see standardization across [[WP:AAR]] as a whole, however, how that standard is implemented should be decided by more than one person. I implore you to move this discussion to [[WP:AAR]] where officially policy could potentially change. Otherwise, while we may have some conformity among the differing snake species, [[WP:AAR]] will degrade into less conformity. In the mean time, let's maintain some degree of conformity, by complying with the guidelines set by [[WP:TREE]] [[User:Jhall1468|Jhall1468]] 08:01, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
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==Another Point of View==
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::I see [[WP:CIVIL|civility]] still escapes you. That's fine. I think the layouts of [[Cane Toad]] and articles similar to it are more fluid, but given that [[Bitis_gabonica]] and other articles like it received [[WP:GA|GA]] status I don't see an issue. That being said, your arguments for scientific names still don't hold. Your arguments for scientific naming conventions are good, however, you failed to give anyone an opportunity to provide counter-arguments. "[[WP:IGNORE|Ignore all rules]]" is great in theory, but you need justification for ignoring those rules, and that justification needs to be presented to the entire Wikipedia community, not just to those who read your talk page. [[WP:PROCESS|Process is important]], because without that, your goal of achieving consistency is going to be entirely broken. When the basic naming conventions of [[Snake]] are in complete contrast to [[Turtle]] or [[Toad]], you render [[WP:AAR|AAR]] to pointlessness.
::You argue on your talk page that using Google search terms as a metric for determining which common name to use is "arbitrary" and "unscientific". However, Wikipedia isn't a science journal, and in many cases this "arbitrary" method is used for notability in [[WP:AfD|articles for deletion]]. Furthermore, given Google is the most widely used search engine, I think it's fairly reasonable to assume the average person (which IS Wikipedia's target audience) isn't going to be searching for ''[[Canis lupus familiaris]]'' or ''[[Mus musculus]]''. They are going to be searching for Dog and Mouse. The average person probably isn't familiar with ''[[Python regius]]'', and one could easily argue they'd simple skip over a website titled as such [http://www.google.com/search?q=Ball+Python&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a] if they are looking for Ball Pythons.
::And no, I don't consider it a "bargain" that your work at Wikipedia requires you provide the sole determination as to what naming conventions, and article layouts are used. Holding Wikipedia hostage for you're unwillingness to compromise is, by definition, bad faith. What really confuses me, is that you really have done great work. You've added information that's been missing from several articles on Wikipedia. I can't, for the life of me, why you can't argue your position at [[WP:AAR|AAR]] where this belongs. There is a significant possibility that you could win over enough people to form a consensus, and this could have been avoided altogether. Instead you've taken the position of attacking my contributions at Wikipedia, which has nothing to do with the issue at hand. '''[[User:Jhall1468|<
==New photos available from wikimedia==
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:::Then make a separate page for Morphs, but not a section of this page, due to the tendency I mentioned earlier for it to balloon to ridiculous proportions as every new morph gets listed, overwhelming the content on the species as a whole. [[User:HCA|HCA]] ([[User talk:HCA|talk]]) 14:02, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
::::That makes sense, but since im not good at writing (english is my second language), i guess ill lay some groundwork by finding images that are freely available and that can be published under an appropriate license in the wikimedia commons. There are some base morphs in the wikipedia commons, but there is not a single example of any multi-gene high-end designer morph there. About the economic notability, the biggest breeder has around 15000 snakes in his collection permanently and the company is worth millions and sells hundreds of thousands snakes per year, and most of that is ball python morphs. So i guess a case can be made. Also the total population in captivity is very high.[[Special:Contributions/178.2.55.147|178.2.55.147]] ([[User talk:178.2.55.147|talk]]) 01:11, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
==Requested move 28 August 2015==
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The result of the proposal was '''moved'''. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 18:10, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
[[:Python regius]] → {{no redirect|Ball python}} – This very well-known (esp. as a popular pet) snake species has a well-established unambiguous common name, so we should use that name as the article title per [[WP:COMMONNAME]] / [[WP:NCFAUNA]]. It does also have another common name ("royal python"), but "ball python" seems to be its most common name (and also seems more objectively descriptive than "royal python"). Certainly "ball python" is more common than the current name, "''Python regius''". (There may also be an [[WP:ENGVAR]] issue here, as the article was apparently originally written in American English, and "ball python" may be more common in American English than in other varieties.) The suggested destination name is already a redirect to this article, and it was the original name of the article until someone moved it in 2007 while commenting that "Scientific names should be used for page names on biological organisms whenever possible to avoid confusion". That edit summary statement seems contrary to current Wikipedia article titling guidelines, which recommend the use of common names. Just after the move in 2007, there was an RM discussion of the same suggestion that ended with no consensus but "no prejudice against relisting". Now I am relisting it, and suggesting to revert that move. —[[User:BarrelProof|BarrelProof]] ([[User talk:BarrelProof|talk]]) 23:56, 28 August 2015 (UTC) <small>''Relisted''. [[User:Jenks24|Jenks24]] ([[User talk:Jenks24|talk]]) 16:48, 5 September 2015 (UTC)</small>
:So, I'd really like to get some European input on this, as I have a vague sense (but nothing more), that the species is called the royal python more often on that side of the pond. [[User:HCA|HCA]] ([[User talk:HCA|talk]]) 00:19, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nom. I see no controversy here. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 14:54, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
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== Pythons are not plants ==
The scientific classification in this article lists ball pythons as belonging to the kingdom Plantae, which is obviously not true as pythons are not plants. The clades, order, family, genus, and species listed on the ball python article are also plants. I do not know the full proper classification for ball pythons so I cannot edit this myself, but it definitely needs fixing.
[[Special:Contributions/130.245.192.11|130.245.192.11]] ([[User talk:130.245.192.11|talk]]) 04:49, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
:Fixed. A typical example of Friday night vandalism... [[User:Micromesistius|Micromesistius]] ([[User talk:Micromesistius|talk]]) 07:43, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
== Shivering? ==
Is there a reference for the claim that these snakes shiver while incubating their eggs? I've removed that bit (hopefully temporarily) because I can't find a source to back it up. The only mention of this behavior I've been able to find is for the Burmese python, the reticulated python, and Australian diamond python, whereas some other species like the African rock python don't shiver: in other words, not all pythons do it, and from what I can tell it only seems to be documented in Asian and Australian species so far. I'd like it to be true, but given how commonly these animals are bred in captivity, you'd think it would be better documented if it was. [[Special:Contributions/2601:342:100:9000:69CD:6AA6:55AA:D5AA|2601:342:100:9000:69CD:6AA6:55AA:D5AA]] ([[User talk:2601:342:100:9000:69CD:6AA6:55AA:D5AA|talk]]) 13:36, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
== How-To Husbandry ==
I believe the general husbandry section has deviated away from functioning as an encyclopedia entry and is instead functioning as a tutorial, which is [[Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_manual,_guidebook,_textbook,_or_scientific_journal|generally not appropriate for Wikipedia.]]
For example, the featured article on the African Lion does not have a section on lion husbandry, because it is an encyclopedia article about a wild animal, not a husbandry guide. Even the article on the dog does not contain how-to husbandry information. I suggest it be deleted or at least pared down to more appropriately reflect an encyclopedic tone. Does anyone have thoughts or objections?
[[User:Connorlong90|Connorlong90]] ([[User talk:Connorlong90|talk]]) 04:54, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
::After I posted the above, another editor removed the aforementioned section with the rationale it was mostly uncited (an edit I agree with), but it was then restored with the assertion that it is cited - an assertion I respectfully disagree with. Most of the information included under general husbandry was uncited, and most was written as a guidebook or manual, which is not appropriate for an encyclopedia (please see above). I have reverted the previous edit, meaning the section is once again removed. Is there particular information within this section that anyone feels is critical to include?
::[[User:Connorlong90|Connorlong90]] ([[User talk:Connorlong90|talk]]) 06:03, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
:::I fully agree that this section is NOT at all necessary and appropriate. A part of it was anyway copy-pasted from various websites. -- [[User:BhagyaMani|BhagyaMani]] ([[User talk:BhagyaMani|talk]]) 07:19, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
:::: I significantly pared down the captivity section to remove a lot of information that was either uncited, functioning as backdoor how-to husbandry (essentially just how-to information reworded so it read less like directions but the only reason to include that info would be so it could be used as directions), redundant, or contradictory. The edits and rationale for edits are under history. [[User:Connorlong90|Connor Long]] ([[User talk:Connorlong90|talk]]) 01:42, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
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