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== Should animals get included in the disambig page? ==

== Requested move ==

Many animals have "Java" in their names, for example: [[Java sparrow]], [[Javan rhino]], [[Javan tiger]], [[:Category:Fauna of Java|etc.]]. Should we make a section about these animals? [[User:Bennylin|Bennylin]] ([[User talk:Bennylin|talk]]) 17:12, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

This move is to undo a move made by a lone user without consulting the comunnity. Java was moved to Java (disambiguation) and a new Java article was created as a #REDIRECT to Java programming language. As the programming language itself is named after the Java coffee that is named after the Java (island), Java '''should not''' redirect to Java programming language (as [[Nike]] does not #redirects to [[Nike,_Inc.]], nor [[Nirvana]] #redirects to [[Nirvana (band)]]) Abu Badali 20:11, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

:Are these animals referred to simply as "Java"? If not, then we normally exclude [[WP:partial title matches|partial title matches]]. [[User:Certes|Certes]] ([[User talk:Certes|talk]]) 17:57, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

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:''Add *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''' followed by an optional one sentence explanation, then sign your vote with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>''

===Discussion===

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====Java should point to coffee====

====Java should point to Island====

*I think the article about the island should be at [[Java]], with a link to the disambiguation article in its top. Actually, I'm surprised [[Java]] doesn't lead directly to the island. [[User:Markussep|Markussep]] 11:09, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

*I Agree with this approach as the island is the origin of the name. --[[User:Abu badali|Abu Badali]] 16:28, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

*Absolutely agree with the previous two comments. Keep this page at [[Java (disambiguation)]] and move [[Java (island)]] to [[Java]]; stamp on the current [[Java]] as a redirect to [[Java programming language]] with maximum prejudice. [[User:Hajor|&ndash;''Hajor'']] 18:01, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

*I agree also [[Java]] should be about the island. [[User:Jooler|Jooler]] 11:48, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

*Emphatically against solitary users creating redirects and culturally inappropriate decisions that smell of lack of NPOV. Etymologically the original place/item stays as the starting point - ie Java the island as the source of the chain of derivatives - Java programming language is well down the food chain![[User:Vcxlor|vcxlor]] 15:41, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

* I didn't notice this before, but I am in agreement that [[Java]] should point to the island first. [[User:Julius.kusuma|Julius.kusuma]] 21:57, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

*I agree that 'Java' article should be about the island. [[User:*drew|*drew]] 00:35, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

*Java isn't just a tropical dot with a coconut tree- it's one of the most populous islands in the world. The article should go to the island Java. [[User:Borisblue|Borisblue]] 23:21, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

*Java should be about the island. It's a huge, densely populated island. The programming language can be referenced in a link at the top, as can the disambiguation page. See [[python]] for inspiration. --[[user:jacobolus|jacobolus]] [[User_talk:jacobolus|(t)]] 03:55, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

*'''Strongly Agree''': [[C]] points to the letter, [[ruby]], points to the gem, and [[lisp]] to a speech defect. Since both [[C]] and [[lisp]] are both as important programing languages as Java, it is hard to see why the exception should be made. True, I think Wikipedia ''contributors'' are perhaps more likely to search for the programming language, but, if Wikipedia is to become a universal reference tool, I think the folks ''using'' it are more likely to search for the island. I mean if say Sun comes up with the next hot language, and calls it [[Oahu]], do you really think it would be appropriate to have the Oahu page pointed some place else other than the island? And Java is an island of 124 ''million'' people, while Oahu had yet to break a million (and hopefully wont) --[[User:VonWoland|VonWoland]] 03:10, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

====Java should point to programming language====

*I disagree that the Java article should be the island. I am supporting only the original proposal at the top. I regular dab Java and if you now make it the island, I will probably abandon this task as it will be even more arduous to deal with. Through my dab experience, the language or platform is referred to about 65%, the island about 30% and whatever else 5%. BTW, the language was not directly named after the island. [[User:RedWolf|RedWolf]] 05:13, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

*I strongly disagree: Java, in a Internet environment, is more known as a programming language. According to me, should this page not to be a disambiguation one, it should instead contain the article about the language. --[[User:Angelo.romano|Angelo]] 19:13, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

*Support Java the language is best known, however this would be very confusing to someone looking for Java(island) or Java(coffee). With the number of pages listed here it should be the first page for Java. please note, i do NOT support the artical about the island getting the first page. [[User:T-rex|T-rex]] 03:03, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

*Given the number of pages which link to the varius Java pages, attention should be noted that a big majority of the links within Wikipedia link to the programming subject. There are about 700 links to the [[Java (island)]] page, about 1500 to the [[Java programming language]] page, and 530 to the [[JavaScript]] page; no other page of those listed on the disambiguation page links to more than 100. Since JavaScript isn't really Java, I would say that the page Wikipedians seem to want when they do Java is Java programming language.[[User:Eli Falk|Eli Falk]] 10:31, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

====Java should point to disambig====

*I believe Java should point to the disambiguation page. I would say much more than a few users (as cited by RedWolf) are looking for the language when they type in Java. Besides the wealth of developers out there (check forum.java.sun.com), a large percentage of high schoolers has to take this. Plus, there are those end users that are curious about Java from seeing it so much on their computers. As to the point of "the island is the origin of the name": That claim isn't necessarily valid. (I'm pretty sure there's no official stance on that, and it may even be an acronym.) Further, does it really matter what the origin is? Shouldn't it be what the most likely search that gets the automatic redirect (if any)? I'm not saying make Java go straight to the language, but I do think we should give both sides the benefit of the doubt and direct to the disambiguation page. There's my two cents. --[[User:ElAmericano|ElAmericano]] 00:24, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

:::We do know that java is not an acronym. Java is named after a coffee shop, that is nammed after the coffee, which is named after the island. That said I agree that it should be as disambiguation page(as I already stated above^). --[[User:T-rex|T-rex]] 21:58, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

* '''Support''' -- [[User:Ravn|Ravn]] 15:15, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

* '''Support''' It doesn't matter where the name originated, but that it has multiple '''common''' uses. --[[User:Rogerd|rogerd]] 02:38, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

===Discision===

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== More discussion, after the "discision" ==

* I think the policy at [[Python]] is best. At the top:

:: ''This article is about the python snake. For the programming language, see [[Python programming language]]. For other uses, see [[Python (disambiguation)]].''

:Similarly, Java is the Island. Java in any other encyclopedia will first discuss the island. If you polled non-programmers, the island would come up more, and the programming language is only more popular because Wikipedia in general overemphasizes computer/technology topics. [[Java]] should refer to the island. If for no other reason than to respect the 130 million inhabitants. --[[user:jacobolus|jacobolus]] [[User_talk:jacobolus|(t)]] 03:43, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

:* Also note: about 7 out of 12 people (8/13 including me) who have voted at this page think it should go to the island page. That smells like [[consensus]] to me, or at least a majority. Before the "discision", it was 7 out of 10. --[[user:jacobolus|jacobolus]] [[User_talk:jacobolus|(t)]] 03:49, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

::I didn't understand the "''discision''". There '''was''' a consensus!

::Also, I have a point agaisnt [[User:ElAmericano|ElAmericano]] opinion: "''As to the point of "the island is the origin of the name": That claim isn't necessarily valid.''". I would say it is. My rational is that the "''most likely search''" (as ElAmericano said) is something that changes over time and and may be difficult to state in some cases. "''What the origin is''" doesn't changes and is usually well-known. For instance, supose a new '''Boy-band''' called [[Zeus]] comes into existance and becomes extremmaly popular. Are we going to have to #Redirect [[Zeus]] there and create [[Zeus (greek godness)]]? Or would it be wiser to create something like [[Zeus (boyband)]] and but dab notices on [[Zeus]]? Best regards, --[[User:Abu badali|Abu Badali]] 16:22, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

::*We'd probably turn Zeus into a DAB page and have [[Zeus (deity)]] and [[Zeus (band)]] listed prominently on it. We prioritise indexing of information here by how commonly someone will be searching for it, not by "what came first". Please see [[Ran]] and notice that the goddess [[Rán]] doesn't take precedence over everything else on that page. &mdash; [[User:Estarriol/Esperanza|<font color="green">Es</font>]]<font color="blue">[[User:Estarriol|tarriol]]</font> ^{[[User talk:Estarriol|talk]]} 09:31, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

::I use Java as a programming language, but a link to the island is more important in my mind. For a start, it's been around a lot longer. More importantly, it is more widely known, with the programming language being more specialised. The current setup of lists of links with geography first, then programming, suits me.[[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] 18:58, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

:::* How about reversing the order atleast. AFAI understand, most hits to Java is for the 'programming language'. I'm going to reverse the order. Please do revert, if you can substantiate with a valid reason --[[User:Kkailas|kkailas]] 16:33, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

::::I'm againt reverting the order. The reasons are the same. Java is (fisrt) an island then (second) the coffe from this island then (thrid) a programing laguage/platafform/etc named as such because (arrogant?) programmers like drinking coffe. --[[User:Abu badali|Abu Badali]] 01:57, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

This article should point to the island and this should not be under a qeustion. I am wandering where is the frontier of programmers' arogancy... --[[User:Millosh|millosh]] ([[:sr:Разговор са корисником:Милош|talk (sr:)]]) 20:35, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

:This is a Java programmer, and this Java programmer thinks the main Java page should go to the island. --[[User:Crazycomputers|Chris]] [[User talk:Crazycomputers|(talk)]] 18:30, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I was very surprised that ''Java'' didn't link directly to the island. (Also that the island page didn't have a link to the disambig). IMO, there seems to be a rough consensus for that style. I there any policy against a new RfM? [[User:Eluchil404|Eluchil404]] 00:47, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

*Information in Wikipedia is organised to make it as convenient as possible for a reader who is searching for information. Without knowing how many readers are searching for each meaning of a word, we can only guess, and use anecdotal data like web searches. Every web search engine I've typed "Java" into so far, ignoring paid adverts, has come back with Java technology as the top result, and often the dominating factor in the top ten results &mdash; and this is even given that there's just been an earthquake on the island and it's hot in the news. The anecdotal evidence suggests that most people who are searching for information on Java here will be looking for the technology, not the island. With respect to everyone here and all the residents of the island, I think the strongest argument for change would be to increase the precedence of the Java technology, but I'd quite frankly prefer if we just left it as it is, as that's useful to everyone. I think everyone coming here will reach there destination quickly, and that's how the encyclopedia is supposed to work. Incidentally, I don't think there's any consensus at all, I think a lot of people who could comment are leaving it alone as supporting anything but the island seems to be an invitation to be flamed on this page. Cheers. &mdash; [[User:Estarriol/Esperanza|<font color="green">Es</font>]]<font color="blue">[[User:Estarriol|tarriol]]</font> ^{[[User talk:Estarriol|talk]]} 09:27, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

:: Given that there are some 250 million people in Indonesia, for 99.9%+ of whom Java means the island, this argument will only hold while Internet access in Indonesia remains very limited. Do we want to name articles based on which countries have decent network infrastructure? -- [[User:Danny Yee|Danny Yee]] 03:10, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

::*Yes, we should name articles based on how many people are looking for them. Should the number of people searching for information on the island largely outweigh those looking for the programming language, of course we should change it to going straight to the island - and this would be the case whether this was due to the language going out of use, more indonesians having internet access or whatever. This is simply about the ease of use of this encyclopedia for its current users. When those change, we'll change to match it. We shouldn't penalise current users of the encyclopedia for those who may use it in the future. &mdash; [[User:Estarriol/Esperanza|<font color="green">Es</font>]]<font color="blue">[[User:Estarriol|tarriol]]</font> ^{[[User talk:Estarriol|talk]]} 08:07, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

::: Ok, do a sample survey of all the people you know (or imagine doing one). Unless you only associate with programmers, the snake/island/gem win out over the programming language. Programmers are disproportionately likely to create web sites, but they don't make up more than a tiny fraction of users of the web or of Wikipedia. In this regard, the Google searches for python/java/ruby/etc are not an accurate reflection of what people are looking for. -- [[User:Danny Yee|Danny Yee]] 12:55, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

:::: I don't know of a single person who is familar with the island. There's only a couple people I know who might know that there exists an island called Java.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] 06:00, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

:::::You are talking about one of the most desly poulated places on earth! If you combined the populations of New York and California, and then doubled it, and then added the population of California again, you would still have less people than in Java. This is not some obscure island in some obscure sea. If you don't know a "single person who is familar with the island," maybe you all should read the Java page, and become familiar. I am not trying to be flippant or disrespectful, but I have observed my fellow Americans woeful ignorance of geography firsthand. The only people who can name the capital of Canada are the die-hard hockey fans. This sad state of affairs should not be reflected in Wikipedia. --[[User:VonWoland|VonWoland]] 06:46, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

:::::I live in Australia, which is closer to Java than the United States or Europe, so that may explain the difference. It's possible my friends have more geographical knowledge, too... -- [[User:Danny Yee|Danny Yee]] 06:50, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

:::::*I wouldn't go so far as to say that people I know don't know about the island, but the people I know (discounting programmers) all know the language first. Doesn't the fact that we're having this discussion demonstrate that it's an ambiguous term and should lead to a DAB page? &mdash; [[User:Estarriol/Esperanza|<font color="green">Es</font>]]<font color="blue">[[User:Estarriol|tarriol]]</font> ^{[[User talk:Estarriol|talk]]} 09:40, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

::::::I don't think my non-IT friends and family could name any programmning languages... they'd probably recognise BASIC, but that'd be about it. -- [[User:Danny Yee|Danny Yee]] 12:21, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Java has a population of over 100 million! I think having it displaced by a disambiguation page just because of a programming language says something about the background of most Wikipedians (see [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias|Countering Systematic Bias]]). We should follow the approach of [[Python]] and [[Ruby]] - I don't see that as programming languages go Java is drastically more important than Python, while '''an island with 120 million inhabitants''' is significantly more important than a snake taxon or a precious stone. Is there any conceivable way we'd be having this discussion if the island in question were Japan or Antarctica, no matter how popular a programming language with the same name became? -- [[User:Danny Yee|Danny Yee]] 02:53, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

*Yes, if there was anything that received a similar number of encyclopedia "hits" that had the same name. Be it a programming language, band name, type of fruit or car. And, incidentally, Java is a more widely used language than Python. I could understand why people might be offended if "Java" went straight to the language, but going to a DAB page is hardly an "insult", it's just reflects how often terms are searched for. &mdash; [[User:Estarriol/Esperanza|<font color="green">Es</font>]]<font color="blue">[[User:Estarriol|tarriol]]</font> ^{[[User talk:Estarriol|talk]]} 07:37, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

::So if most people searching for Python are interested in Monty Python, that should be the main python article? I'm not convinced more Internet users know about the programming language than about the island, in any event. I work in IT, but I reckon if I asked everyone I knew, more of them would associate Java with the island than with a programming language. And if I didn't work in IT, there'd be no competition. -- [[User:Danny Yee|Danny Yee]] 13:01, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

::: The Monty Python page should be at Monty Python. But, yes, if more people come here searching for the languages than search for the gem or the snake, then that's where the pages should go?--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] 06:00, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

::::If this proposal to have the island's article at [[Java]] doesn't get up, I've half a mind to propose that [[Manhattan]] be used for the [[Manhattan (cocktail)|cocktail]]. When I worked in bars over here I never heard ''Manhattan'' used in any other context, and I can only guess that a majority of those searching are thirsty programmers in need of information on how to mix this tipple of choice to get them through another long night of debugging someone else's code. People who actually live in Manhattan presumably don't need to look it up anyway. </facetiousness>--[[User:CJLL Wright|cjllw]]<font color="#DAA520"> | </font>[[User talk:CJLL Wright|<small>''TALK''</small>]] 08:24, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

::::*How about we try to keep this discussion civil and not ridicule each others opinions? &mdash; [[User:Estarriol/Esperanza|<font color="green">Es</font>]]<font color="blue">[[User:Estarriol|tarriol]]</font> ^{[[User talk:Estarriol|talk]]} 09:34, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Estarriol's strategy, of typing into a search engine and seeing what the top result is, is not a good one. [[Search engine optimization]] is big business, and I would guess a lot more Java-Programming companies are willing to pay for high-rated matches than Java-island companies. [[User:Joestynes|jnestorius]]^{([[User talk:Joestynes|talk]])} 17:03, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

=== Revert of rdir from [[Java (island)]] to [[Java]] ===

I've reverted the recent (16 June '06) change which involved replacing the text of the [[Java {island)]] article with a redirect to [[Java]], and the replacement there of its former disambig page format with text taken from that on the island. While I don't necessarily disagree about the intent to have the island's article at [[Java]], with other meanings at [[Java (disambiguation)]], a copy and paste exercise is not the way to go about it. If it ''is'' to be retitled, then it should be done by [[Wikipedia:How to move a page|moving the page]]s, to preserve the respective edit histories and associated talk pages. It should also probably be nominated for moving first (or again) via the [[WP:RM]] process, to see if there is consensus for such an arrangement. It will have to go through the WP:RM process in any case since it will require administrator action to move the pages (if that is the outcome), as both have non-trivial edit histories.--[[User:CJLL Wright|cjllw]]<font color="#DAA520"> | </font>[[User talk:CJLL Wright|<small>''TALK''</small>]] 00:27, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

===For the whole world===

We're writing an encyclopedia for the whole world, not just for IT workers. If we slant it so that it's more useful for IT workers and less useful for everyone else, we may gain some usability in the short-term, but at the expense of our long term goals. We have poor coverage of Java as it is, so the last thing we want is to risk putting off Javanese contributors. -- [[User:Danny Yee|Danny Yee]] 07:15, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

== Requested move (2)==

I relaunched the request for a move of the article since discussions were still going on.

:''Add #'''Support''' or #'''Oppose''' followed by an optional one sentence explanation, then sign your vote with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>''

====Java should point to Island====

#'''Support'''. The most relevant is the article on the island. [[Java (island)]] should be renamed to [[Java]] and the information on [[Java]] should be moved to [[Java (disambiguation)]]. The programming language has a short history in comparison with the island Java and Wikipedia should not have a bias towards computer science ([[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_Systemic_Bias_Open_Tasks#Displaced_articles]]). [[User:Brz7|Brz7]] 00:36, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

#'''Support''' for the same reasons. [[User:167.7.39.139|167.7.39.139]] 00:32, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

#'''Support''' see my comment above (after 2 edit conflicts) [[User:Eluchil404|Eluchil404]] 00:38, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

#*To clarify, if this is done, Java should have ''For the programming language see [[Java (Sun)]]; for other uses see [[Java (disambiguation)]]'' at the top.[[User:Eluchil404|Eluchil404]] 13:54, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

#:*Note that this would in fact be *better* for people looking for Java (programming language) than the current situation where Java is a disambiguation page with the programming language the 10th item listed. -- [[User:Danny Yee|Danny Yee]] 00:28, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

# '''Support'''. Java is an island, period. There's a coffee named after the island. This coffe is so popular that a programming language was named after it. --[[User:Abu badali|Abu Badali]] 00:52, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

#'''Support''' per Abu. &mdash;<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">[[User:Khoikhoi|<font color="">Khoikhoi</font>]]</span> 02:23, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

#'''Support,''' as long as the articles & associated talk pgs are moved so that edit histories are preserved.--[[User:CJLL Wright|cjllw]]<font color="#DAA520"> | </font>[[User talk:CJLL Wright|<small>''TALK''</small>]] 05:34, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

#'''Strong support'''. We're not talking about a small obscure island here, and we should maintain consistency with [[python]] and [[ruby]]. -- [[User:Danny Yee|Danny Yee]] 06:46, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

#*However, I have no problem with the disambiguation header at the top of Java having a direct link to Java (programming language) as well as a link to the disambiguation page. -- [[User:Danny Yee|Danny Yee]] 11:30, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

#'''Strong support''' Let's stop the insanity! That this is a debate at all is embarassing. Should the article on China point to the pottery, or the disambiguation page? --[[User:VonWoland|VonWoland]] 06:52, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

#'''Strong support''' There's enough concession to geographically biased and challenged persons in this project already - the island came a long time earlier than the It term or the coffee.-- [[User:Vcxlor|SatuSuro]] 09:32, 16 June 2006 (UTC) - also "well known" is used as a defence of the alternative directions, someone needs to point out that this is an encyc - since when was that criteria used for constructing an encyc - and just because someone says that - it depends upon their small world - not the rest of the world! [[User:Vcxlor|SatuSuro]] 00:54, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

#'''Support''' Primary meaning is geographical entity. [[User:Man vyi|Man vyi]] 10:11, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

#'''Support''' - There is a world out there with islands in it, and it existed before programming languages named after coffee. And Java is an enormous one. [[User:Jooler|Jooler]] 11:34, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

#*'''Comment''', and it's not just about the language comming later. It's about the language being named after something that was named after the island. And just a brief disclaimer, I'm a Java programmer. --[[User:Abu badali|Abu Badali]] 15:57, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

#'''Support''', on the condition that both [[Java (Sun)]] and [[Java (disambiguation)]] are given links at the top, as Eluchil404 proposed. --[[User:JerryOrr|JerryOrr]] 19:14, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

:<s>'''Support''' The island is the original Java.</s> Changed. See below. [[User:Mr. Lefty|'''Mr. L''']][[WP:EA|<font color="Green">'''e'''</font>]][[User:Mr. Lefty|'''fty''']] _{[[User talk:Mr. Lefty|''Talk to me!'']]} 00:20, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

====Java should point to programming language====

====Java should point to coffee====

====Java should point to disambig====

# '''Support''': I've never had Java the island come up in casual conversation. To most internet entities it's a nonentity. Make all the politically correct rants you want, but most of the users of Wikipedia are more familiar with and more interested in the programming language than the island.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] 05:51, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

#'''Support''', as this is the best way for the most readers to get where they want to fastest. I'm disappointed that this has turned into an emotional/imperialism issue. Britannica doesn't compromise its indexes to serve sentimentality or patriotism, why should we? &mdash; [[User:Estarriol/Esperanza|<font color="green">Es</font>]]<font color="blue">[[User:Estarriol|tarriol]]</font> ^{[[User talk:Estarriol|talk]]} 07:25, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

# '''Weak support''', as I can imagine people typing Java in the search box to find information either about the island or the programming language. Second choice is to find or redirect to the island, but with a prominent link to the disambiguation page at the top of the article about the island. --[[User:Ais523|ais523]] 07:39, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

#'''Strong Support'''. There are too many meanings here to move the dab. The programming language is probably better know then the island. It is more like to be mentioned in response to the question, Java _______. Coffee is also a strong contender. By moving the dab from the main article we risk sending too many people to the wrong page if they type if Java. This is one of the primary uses for the dab and is so correctly used right now. Don't change what is not broken. [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] 23:24, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

#'''Support''' While Java the island is well known, the programming language and coffee slang are just about as well known. [[User:Mr. Lefty|'''Mr. L''']][[WP:EA|<font color="Green">'''e'''</font>]][[User:Mr. Lefty|'''fty''']] _{[[User talk:Mr. Lefty|''Talk to me!'']]} 00:22, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

#'''Oppose'''. Looking for something in an encyclopedia is like asking "What is ________?". What is Java? It's an Island. --[[User:Abu badali|Abu Badali]] 01:09, 17 June 2006 (UTC)