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===Title=Sources==

The following need a reliable source that says they are Greek Americans:

Would be it be a good idea if I moved this page to "List of Americans of Greek descent"?

*[[Matt Lepsis]], Left Tackle for the [[Denver Broncos]]

This is because of the recent debates as to who can be classified as a "something American", i.e. listing people of part or distant Greek ancestry, like Jamie-Lynn Sigler. I recently did the same to [[List of Americans of Irish descent]] and I think eventually all the ethnicity pages should move to similar titles. It would allow for more logical listing of people who aren't 100% something or don't necessarily consider themselves "something-American". [[User:Jack O'Lantern|Mad Jack O'Lantern]] 19:35, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[[User:Jack O'Lantern|Mad Jack]] 21:44, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

*I'm not sure I agree with that. We have a [[Greek American]] article that defines what that term means (they don't have to be 100%), and this is a list of those people. --<b>[[User:JW1805|JW1805]]</b> <small>[[User talk:JW1805|(Talk)]]</small> 02:29, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

**Well the Greek-American article says a Greek-American is a person of "significant Greek heritage". But what is significant? [[User:Jack O'Lantern|Mad Jack O&#39;Lantern]] 02:41, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

***As someone once said: it may not be easy to define but "I know it when I see it". --<b>[[User:JW1805|JW1805]]</b> <small>[[User talk:JW1805|(Talk)]]</small> 05:21, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Books by Scourby 1984, Saloutos 1964, Moskos 1980, Zotos 1976, Xenides 1964.

==Sources==

The following people need sources (reliable sources, i.e. not the IMDB or other junky trivia sites) that actually describe them as "Greek" or "Greek-American", not "Greek/Welsh/German father", "Greek ancestry" or whatever. See similar thing done in every ethnicity-American list, in an attempt to bring these lists under [[Wikipedia:No original research]] and [[Wikipedia:Verifiability]] policies. And if anyone has the time, please source the people still on the list to sources that describe them as actually "Greek American" or "Greek", if they are also "American" (so no "Greek grandmother" or whatever)

There are books as far back as the 1920s.

Each new wave of Greek Americans sometimes ignored those who came before them.

There should be a separate section for deceased Greek Americans.

There were Greeks here since Columbus: Paradis advisor to Franklin & Jefferson, born in Greece;

Delarof, first Russian governor of Alaska; Evangelides in Cullen Bryant poem.

Look at the "political graveyard" website. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.228.77.56|98.228.77.56]] ([[User talk:98.228.77.56|talk]]) 16:59, 2 May 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Please add; Giles Marini - actor,Greek mother, Italian father, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilles_Marini, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ozd9ESz-vPo, Chris Agos - actor [[Chicago P.D.]], (στρατηγοs (leader of the army) < στρατοs (army) + αγω/ago/s (lead/er), Andre Christopoulos - special effects technician [[Chicago Fire]], George Eads - actor, [[CSI: Crime Scene Investigation]], [[MacGyver]], mother is Greek, http://www.greeknewsonline.com/another-terrific-hellenic-times-scholarship-fund-gala-2/

Demetra Diamantopoulos - unit production manager [[Chicago Fire]],

Yorgo Constantine [[Phone Booth]],[[Live or Die Hard]], [[Fast Five]], [[McGyver]] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yorgo_Constantine <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/58.7.194.89|58.7.194.89]] ([[User talk:58.7.194.89#top|talk]]) 23:31, 13 January 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Kurt Lockwood==

:Says who? This list from when I remember being an editor back in 2005 was for Americans of Greek ancestry. When has that changed that is specifically only for 100% Greeks? You do realize that at the top of the [[Greek American]] article where it says that the [[State Department]] in [[2005]] estimated that 3,000,000 Americans residents in the United States claim Greek descent[http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3395.htm], they meant alot of those "Part Greeks" which you are trying to exclude from this article. Also when was the discussion on this to be changed as such? When an individual specifically states themselves that they are of Greek origins, they should make the list. They are making the statement for a reason which means they do identify themselves with that ancestry. Plus its fun to come on this list and see who is of Greek ancestery.[[User:Mallaccaos|Mallaccaos,]] 23 June 2006

Over Facebook, Mr. Lockwood told me that he is of Greek and Irish descent. He said it was okay to bring it up on Wikipedia. jcm 5/2/13

== Paul Vallas - Change in Job Title ==

Paul Vallas is superintendent of the Recovery School District of Louisiana, he is no longer the CEO of Chicago Public Schools.

Source - http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2008/12/recovery_school_district_super_1.html

See also Paul Vallas entry in Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Vallas

THanks [[User:Oshields|Oshields]] ([[User talk:Oshields|talk]]) 22:47, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

==Footnote 1==

*[[Daniela Amavia]] - is she American?

I noticed that several people in the article have a footnote ¹ next to their names. However, the explanation of this footnote was deleted several years ago in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Greek_Americans&diff=next&oldid=60221762 this edit]. It meant that they are deceased. However, I don't think it is necessary to specifically identify the deceased people. If readers want to know whether the person is living or dead, they can refer to the linked article about the person. It shouldn't be necessary to have to update this article every time a person on the list dies. Besides, with the explanation of the footnote having been missing for over three years, I doubt that the list has been updated to account for any deaths in the interim. --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] [[User talk:Metropolitan90|(talk)]] 06:38, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

:No, she I agree should not be on the list. She, although Greek, has acted on some American movies and series but I do not believe she is an American citizen. [[User:Mallaccaos|Mallaccaos,]] 23 June 2006

==Untitled==

*[[Eva Aridjis]], filmmaker, (daughter of [[Greek people|Greek]]-[[Mexican]] [[Homero Aridjis]] and [[United States|American]] Betty Ferber de Aridjis)

:Not really, her agree with too. Her mother is American, so she can be categorized under Mexican-Americans but not here. This one I agree with too. [[User:Mallaccaos|Mallaccaos,]] 23 June 2006

What about adding the following to your list: Gloria Votsis is a Greek American actress (White Collar, Hawaii Five-O, Person of Interest [She has a page on Wikipedia that has her born in upstate New York,USA]

*[[Hank Azaria]]

:Yes, both sets of his grandparents, paternal and maternal, were '''Greek Jews''' who came from [[Thessaloniki]]; ''"-- a well-known actor ("Along Came Polly," "The Simpsons," "Friends"), he is the son of Greek Jews Ladino-speaking parents."'' Source:'''Detroit Jewish News: 8/14/04 | Nate Bloom''',[http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:4-EsbLIlMzYJ:detroit.jewish.com/modules.php%3Fname%3DNews%26file%3Darticle%26sid%3D1603+Gabrielle+Carteris+Romaniote&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=17] that's a Jewish newspaper, FYI. [[User:Mallaccaos|Mallaccaos,]] 23 June 2006

Steve "Chik" Chikerotis is a Greek American actor in the pilot for Chicago Fire & technical advisor for Backdraft & is a Battalion Chief [imdb?]

*[[Dennis Boutsikaris]]

:I'll have to look up the source but I remember reading he is half Greek on paternal side. His late aunt, his mother's sister, was hard of hearing, she was an aluminia of Gallaudet University for the deaf and heard of hearing. That's were she met and later married her husband Thomas A. Mayes. I'll see if I still have the article from which I took all my info to write up his wiki biographical. [[User:Mallaccaos|Mallaccaos,]] 23 June 2006

Tommy Savas Greek Americn actor (Castle) & (House) [imdb?] Born in Harlem, NY, USA

*[[Gabrielle Carteris]]

:Yes, she is of [[Romaniotes]] descent on '''both''' side of her parents, which she make refrence to in numerious interviews and media outlets, including to our California based Jewish newsman above Nate Bloom who writes regularly about Jewish celebrities, including person biographical info. Her last name, Carteris, is a Romaniote Greek Jewish name. [[User:Mallaccaos|Mallaccaos,]] 23 June 2006

Theo James is an Greek English actor who now stars in the American series Golden Boy

*[[Nick Cassavetes]], movie director (Greek father)

:His father was [[John Cassavetes]], who was a full 100% Greek-American, origins from [[Epirus (periphery)|Epirus]]. Yeah, he grew up in a household where both grandfather and father were known for their strong Greek roots and little Nicky and his siblings were influenced. BTW, Nick is named after his paternal grandfather. [http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:CowuaH3pvccJ:www.adherents.com/people/pc/John_Cassavetes.html+Nick+Cassavetes+son+of+John+greek+father&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1] [[User:Mallaccaos|Mallaccaos,]] 23 June 2006

Charles Skouras in a production designer <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/101.162.196.141|101.162.196.141]] ([[User talk:101.162.196.141|talk]]) 08:06, 5 March 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

*[[Jenascia Chakos]], a contestant on season 2 [[America's Next Top Model]]

:She states herself that she is Greek in every interview and media outlet I have watched. I should know, since I'm a huge fan of hers and as well the person who created her wiki biographical article. [[User:Mallaccaos|Mallaccaos,]] 23 June 2006

Dimitri Doganis Greek English (my mistake) producer & director, won the Oscar for the doco The Imposter

*[[Patricia Field]], fashion designer

:She is of Greek and Armenian descent[http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:MT5O2lJX0NMJ:www.iht.com/articles/2006/06/05/style/Fpat.php+Patricia+Field+Born+of+Greek+and+Armenian&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1], who's parents immigrated to the United States, so yeah she is 50% Greek and 50% Armenian; and yes she does say she is and infact she is really good friends with Greek singer [[Anna Vissi]].

:[http://web.wireimage.com/images/Thumbnail/3943077.jpg Patricia and Anna at the Crobar Night Club]; [http://web.wireimage.com/images/Thumbnail/3943075.jpg Tommy Karas, Patricia Fields, Anna Vissi, Sophia Vissi(Anna's sis) and Paolo Pincente(the only one of non Greek descent in the pic]; [http://www.miamisunpost.com/archives/2004/12-02-04/IMAGE/Nightlife2.jpg Patricia Fields introduced her friend Anna Vissi, the Madonna of Greece at the White Party in Miami w/Elaine Lancaster & ChiChi LaRue]; [http://www.newyorksocialdiary.com/socialdiary/2005/04_22_05/images/DSC_0828-copy.jpg Anna and Patricia also attended the the Hellenic Times Scholarship Fund on the behalf of the Hellenic Times Newspaper put on by the Greek-American family the Catsimatidis honoring influencial Greeks. Patricia] [http://www.newyorksocialdiary.com/socialdiary/2005/04_22_05/images/DSC_0727-copy.jpg Anna Vissi and Ernie Anastos] [[User:Mallaccaos|Mallaccaos,]] 23 June 2006

*[[Slim Gaillard]] - jazz singer, songwriter, pianist & guitarist

:Yup, it will be kind of hard to have me say his "Greek" since he is dead but its a well known fact with in the jazz community and he did make mention of it. Gaillard was 50% Greek and 50% Afro-Cuban and Jan Gaye, Gaillard's daughter, a [[quadroon]], does state as such. She also regularly mentions the fact that she is on her mom's side Irish and her father is half greek and half afro-cuba. [[User:Mallaccaos|Mallaccaos,]] 23 June 2006

*[[Tony Ganios]],

:Not sure I thought so but I could be wrong. I'll have to research this one more. [[User:Mallaccaos|Mallaccaos,]] 23 June 2006

I tried to find a list of English Greeks but there isn't one?

*[[Erika Harold]], Miss America 2003

There is a Greek Australian list & a Greek Canadian list..... <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/101.162.196.141|101.162.196.141]] ([[User talk:101.162.196.141|talk]]) 08:24, 5 March 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Honorable mention since she states that she is of Greek origins American Medical Association & Newsmax.com articles. [[User:Mallaccaos|Mallaccaos,]] 23 June 2006

:Only people with Wikipedia articles can be on this list, and then we need to have a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] verifying that they are Greek American. [[User:Qwyrxian|Qwyrxian]] ([[User talk:Qwyrxian|talk]]) 08:48, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

*[[Athena Kottak]] - drummer for [[KrunK]]

:Yes, sister of [[Tommy Lee]] she half Greek, both she and her brother were born in Athens, Greece to a Greek beauty queen and a Welsh soldier, the family has by know been natrualized as US citizens. [[User:Mallaccaos|Mallaccaos,]] 23 June 2006

== Angela Bowie ==

*[[Bill Koutsouros]] - of the [[ANIMUS]]

:Philadelphia native born to Greek parents, he uses his Greek ethnic background to influence his musical band, which with the other band members its a blend of Greek, Middle Eastern, Spanish, Funk, Latin and Jewish music. His wiki bio also has to written up, I just haven't had the time yet. [[User:Mallaccaos|Mallaccaos,]] 23 June 2006

I will delete her. There's an interesting statement of hers but it empasizes she is NOT Greek. Bowie is an American born in Cyprus where she grew up. She says she loves Cyprus and feels Cypriot, but not Greek or Turkish (since she is neither) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2.85.125.24|2.85.125.24]] ([[User talk:2.85.125.24|talk]]) 19:26, 11 September 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

*[[Charles Lederer]]¹, writer/director (Greek maternal grandfather)

:His dead so its kind of hard for him to say anything. [[User:Mallaccaos|Mallaccaos,]] 23 June 2006

== Leah Vukmir ==

*[[Peter Maneos]] - [[Abercrombie and Fitch]] model

Yup again, Italian mother and Greek father. [http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:AIT_QYD8-PIJ:www.bbpics.com/petermaneos/+Peter+Maneos+born&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1I was born ... to an Italian mother and a Greek father....I am now studying at the University of Miami majoring in English Literature with a minor in Classical Antiquity (the study of ancient Rome and Greece)....Favorite movies range from such films as "Zorba The Greek", "Il Postino", "English Patient", "The Talented Mr. Ripley".] http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:AIT_QYD8-PIJ:www.bbpics.com/petermaneos/+Peter+Maneos+born&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

Lean Vukmir (Leah Papachristou Vukmir)

*[[Julia Migenes]] - soprano

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leah_Vukmir) is a Greek American politician.

:Yup, she is Greek on her father's side and Irish-Puerto-Rican on mother's. As she says on her offical site: [http://www.juliamigenes.com/bio.html Julia Migenes was born on the Lower East Side of New York into a family made up of a passionate mixture of Greek and Irish-Puerto-Rican descent.] [[User:Mallaccaos|Mallaccaos,]] 23 June 2006

She is a State Senator in Wisconsin but is currently not listed on this wiki page.

[[Special:Contributions/170.135.176.108|170.135.176.108]] ([[User talk:170.135.176.108|talk]]) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned"> — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 19:55, 30 April 2014 (UTC)</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== External links modified ==

*[[Sofia Milos]] - needs a source that she is an American citizen, beside everything else

:I have not clue I have to look into this one, probably not tonite 'cause I don't have the time but definite I'm going to research this. [[User:Mallaccaos|Mallaccaos,]] 23 June 2006

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

*[[Michael Papajohn]]

:This one too but not tonite. [[User:Mallaccaos|Mallaccaos,]] 23 June 2006

I have just added archive links to {{plural:2|one external link|2 external links}} on [[List of Greek Americans]]. Please take a moment to review [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=699324219 my edit]. If necessary, add {{tlx|cbignore}} after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{tlx|nobots|deny{{=}}InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:

*[[Elizabeth Perkins]]

*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20060511113315/http://www.tftj.com/Miss/USA/04states/MA/a_MA.htm to http://www.tftj.com/Miss/USA/04states/MA/a_MA.htm

:Yes, she is half Greek, her father was a Greek American born to parents who were both Greek immegrants. They changed their last name Pisperikos to Perkins. She is a regular contrubitor to the The Hellenic Times Scholarship Fund. [[User:Mallaccaos|Mallaccaos,]] 23 June 2006

*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20060411150333/http://www.thejournalnews.com:80/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060217/NEWS02/602170355/1019/NEWS03 to http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060217/NEWS02/602170355/1019/NEWS03

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the ''checked'' parameter below to '''true''' to let others know.

I'll have to do the rest later. Sorry. ;) [[User:Mallaccaos|Mallaccaos,]] 23 June 2006

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*[[Liz Ryder]] - musician

*[[Jim Sclavunos]] - drummer for Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds

*[[Chris Spheeris]] - Contemporary multi-instrumentalist

*[[Jimmie Spheeris]] - American singer, songwriter

*[[Tiffani Thiessen]], actress:"I'm a mutt. I have so much of everything in me, and half of it I don't even know. German on one side; Greek, Turkish and Welsh on the other. My mom is very olive-skinned; I get my blue eyes from my dad."[http://tiffanithiessen.org/articles/article031.html]

*[[John Varvatos]], fashion designer

*[[Diane von Fürstenberg]], fashion designer

*[[Yanni]] - musician/engineer - is this guy even an American?

*[[Frank Zappa]] - musician

[[User:Jack O'Lantern|Mad Jack]] 17:51, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:As for Jessica Chakos, being "PART GREEK" doesn't mean she is a Greek-American. She seems to have quite a lot of ethnicities in her. If you want to include her, please find a source that says she is "Greek-American" or just "Greek" (since we know she is American). Same as for the people above [[User:Jack O'Lantern|Mad Jack]] 17:52, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

::I'm going to copy here what I wrote on your talk page: She does not say "everything else" like you like to put words in her mouth, she specifically said: [[Greek]], [[Cherokee Indian]], [[English]] and possibly [[Irish]] and [[German]]. The "something else" or "possibly else" is in refrence to the German and Irish, NOT the Greek. The Question was: '''"You are very exotic, what are your [[nationalities]]?"''' HER reply '''"My father is [[Filipino]]. He came over to the U.S. with his family when he was 17. My mother is [[Greek]], Cherokee Indian, English and possibly Irish and German. There's some dispute."''' AND in this reply: '''"Hey, J! What's your [[ethnic]] background?"''' Her reply '''"I am half Filipino; the other half is a mixture of Greek, English, Indian, Irish and German."''' So guess what, she '''is''' describing herself as such not only as [[nationalities]] BUT [[ethnically]]. So yes she '''does''' call herself part Greek, unless you think the '''"other half"''' she is refering to is her imaginary twin. If she did not consider herself the ethnicities she mentions, not in ones BUT in every interview which ask her about her ethnicity, then she would be answering "half Filipino and '''AMERICAN'''". If an individual mentions what they are of a certain ethnicity that means they consider themselves as such, you can't put words in their mouth or decide for them that they are not if they consider themselves as such.[[User:XXXX|XXXX]] 23 June 2006

:I know she is "part Greek" and that is fine, but this is not a list of "Part Greeks" and neither is the category. It's a list of Greek Americans. That's why you need a source that describes her as Greek-American or Greek. Not "I'm half Filipino and half German, Greek, French and maybe Irish". Anyway, I'm currently sourcing the list, so you can see what I mean by the sources I use. [[User:Jack O'Lantern|Mad Jack]] 18:54, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Cheers.—[[User:Cyberbot II|<sup style="color:green;font-family:Courier">cyberbot II</sup>]]<small><sub style="margin-left:-14.9ex;color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS">[[User talk:Cyberbot II|<span style="color:green">Talk to my owner</span>]]:Online</sub></small> 17:43, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

::Wait a minute...when has it been dicided that a Greek-American is refrence to '''ONLY'''' "full Greeks" and "Part Greeks" can't make the list even when '''THEY''' themselves state themselves as being such? When did [[User talk:Sysin]] and others decide that is what it entitles someone to be on this list? [[User:XXXX|XXXX]] 23 June 2006

:::Who is User:Sysin? It doesn't matter "how" Greek a person is by ethnicity. They could be 1/4 Greek, as long as they are described by a reliable source as "Greek-American" or "Greek" (if they are also American). I think "Half Greek" is borderline, but I am not sure. I usually include "Half" (as long as it's actually "Half Greek", not "Half Greek/French/Dutch"). Anyway, this is in accordance with [[Wikipedia:Verifiability]] and [[Wikipedia:No Original Research]]. If we want to put someone on a list of "X", we need a source that they are actually "X", not anything that in anyone's opinion makes them that. That's the way all the ethnicity-Americnan pages are now done. See [[List of British Jews]], [[List of Catholic American entertainers]] and [[List of Greeks]] where [[User:Grace Note]] and others explained this. Oh, and obviously if a person describes themselves as "Greek" or "Greek American" we can include them, but not when that someone says they are "French/Irish/Greek/Dutch/Welsh/Portuguese" - this is not a list of "French/Irish/Greek/Dutch/Welsh/Portuguese" people. [[User:Jack O'Lantern|Mad Jack]] 19:13, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

::::Well then, I'm sorry, didn't realize that when the source is the person '''THEMSELVES''' who states they are GREEEK, its not "reliabale" sourcing. Yeah, that makes logic. Kind of splitting hairs there aren't we? Again who decided that to be listed on the Greek-American list a person has to be '''FULL''' one 100% Greek-American and part Greek does not count...especially when the people '''THEMSELVES''', I'm not talking about second sources but first hand quoted which say they are Greek, they can't be put on this list? Like I said, yeah, that makes a lot of sense...not. [[User:XXXX|XXXX]] 23 June 2006

Yeah, but the person "THEMSELVES!!!" did not say they are "Greek", did they? They said "I'm half Filipino, half Welsh/Irish/Greek/etc." There is a bit of difference, you will agree. Like I said, the person doesn't even have to be close to being 100%. All that is needed is a reliable source that just says they are Greek, including themselves. Though "Greek/Welsh/French mother" isn't the same as "Greek" [[User:Jack O'Lantern|Mad Jack]] 19:37, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:What do you mean they didn't say it themselves? Its a straight up quote from her mouth. It seems like you are trying to make a case where there isn't one to made. She SAID it: '''"You are very exotic, what are your [[nationalities]]?"''' HER reply '''"My father is [[Filipino]]. He came over to the U.S. with his family when he was 17. My mother is [[Greek]], Cherokee Indian, English and possibly Irish and German. There's some dispute."''' AND in this reply: '''"Hey, J! What's your [[ethnic]] background?"''' Her reply '''"I am half Filipino; the other half is a mixture of Greek, English, Indian, Irish and German."''' You can try to twist it and put words in her mouth and decide what she is or in't for her all you want, the fact remains she said the following: '''"You are very exotic, what are your [[nationalities]]?"''' HER reply '''"My father is [[Filipino]]. He came over to the U.S. with his family when he was 17. My mother is [[Greek]], Cherokee Indian, English and possibly Irish and German. There's some dispute."''' AND in this reply: '''"Hey, J! What's your [[ethnic]] background?"''' Her reply '''"I am half Filipino; the other half is a mixture of Greek, English, Indian, Irish and German."''' That is what her ethnicities are, let see what does word [[ethnic]] mean: "An ethnic group is a human population whose members identify with each other"[[ethnic]]. If she did not identify herself as such she would not have made mention of all the ethnic backgrounds that she has. Period. [[User:XXXX|XXXX]] 23 June 2006

::I don't understand. Did you just miss what I said? She didn't call herself "Greek", she called herself "half" a bunch of stuff, one of which was Greek. This is the fundemental difference. [[User:Jack O'Lantern|Mad Jack]] 19:56, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

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:::Actually she did not say "a half of bunch stuff:, she name each one specifically meaning she give credence to those ethnicities just as much she does her Filipino side or else she would not have bothered to name it them all. As I stated above that's the reason I listed her as I did. I usually do a detailed search for reliable sources before putting anything in. So why shouldn't she be listed here? [[User:Mallaccaos|Mallaccaos,]] 23 June 2006

The people don't have to be 100% Greek to be listed here - and indeed a large number of the ones I sourced just now are not 100% Greek. They just have to have been called "Greek-American" or "Greek" (if they are American) by a reliable source). I tried making a proposal on all these ethnicity-American lists (the critiera were something like a person being half that group) in April, but it failed and it was explained to me by higher powers that the only way to do these lists is strictly follow Wikipedia policy - i.e. if a person is described as "X", we can call them "X" or put them on a list of "X". Not if they are described as anything that we thinks makes them "X", like "X father", "X descent", etc. Now they are all done this way, including, almost last but not least, this list. If you have a source where Chakos is described/describes herself as "Greek" or "Greek-American", you can list here. Otherwise, it's just your/my/whoever's opinion that she belongs on a List of Greek-Americans, even though she has not actually been described as specifically that (i.e. it is your opinion that "she gives credence" to being Greek, while all she really says is she is "half Filipino and half Greek,German, Irish,etc.", which is not quite the same thing - i.e. she doesn't say she is "Greek" or even just plain "half Greek"). Anyway, you can also ask [[User:Grace Note]] about this, or see his posts at [[List of Catholic American entertainers]], [[List of British Jews]], or [[List of Greeks]]. [[User:Jack O'Lantern|Mad Jack]] 04:59, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

:Hi. I am Greek, so consider my two cents partially biased if you wish. My view is that if people themselves declare 0.01% [[Turk]]ish ancestry, then they should make it in the [[:Category:Turkish Americans]]. My reasoning behind this is simple:

:*They wouldn't get in the trouble of declaring such a detail if it wasn't important for them

:*No ethnic group is ''pure''.

:*Self-identification is a major consideration when it comes to [[Wikipedia:Naming conflict]]s. Read [[Wikipedia:Naming conflict#Dealing with self-identifying terms]]

:On the other hand I can understand considerations when people declare multiple ethnic backgrounds. However, [[WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_paper_encyclopedia|WP is NOT paper]], so we can just include them in all respective Categories:X-Americans, since the thin genetic connection can be stressed in their biographies.[[User:N!|<span style="color:#fff;background:#88b">:N<span style="background:#99c">i<span style="background:#aad">k<span style="background:#bbe">o<b><span style="background:#ccf">S</span>il</b></span><b>v</b></span><b>e</b></span><b>r</b>:</span>]] 13:33, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

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Can you imagine what would then happen to people like [[Val Kilmer]] or [[David Carradine]]? They'd be in something like 10 different ethnicity-American categeories, making us look very silly. How would having a Turkish great-great-great-great-grandfather influence anyone in any way? At best, it's a trivial detail in their background that would have no effect on their life. But of course, both that and what you said are our own opinions, and that's probably why this whole thing is necessary - these would be done adding only those whom '''reliable sources''' have declared to be, in this case, Turkish-American or Turkish (including, of course, the person themselves - so if the person declares themselves '''Turkish''' regardless of how much Turkish ancestry they have, we can add them). This is the only way to strictly follow Wikipedia policy and avoid original research - i.e. someone adds a person to a Turkish-Americans list because they have a Turkish great-grandfather. It is that contributor's opinion that they belong there, even though neither the person themselves nor any reliable source expresses that opinion beforehand - all they did was say that the person has a Turkish grandfather.

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Sourcing parts of this list yesterday, I found that the majority of people who have at least a Greek parent '''have''' been described as '''Greek-American''' or even just plain '''Greek''' by a reliable source, so for the most part this policy actually makes sense. The big "argument" above was about Jessica Chakos, for instance, and aside from the fact that she has not been described as just "Greek" or Greek-American, I can't see the encyclopedic value of listing someone who quite clearly, at best, has a Greek grandparent, and from the looks of it even less. By the way, Mallaccaos, I noticed you did have sources above that said some of the people that were de-listed were "Greek", so, since you didn't, I will restore them. [[User:Jack O'Lantern|Mad Jack]] 16:45, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

:There were definitely more sources there then I first thought, so thank you for looking that up, Mallacaos. For some reason, "Greg Dulli" was listed as having a Greek great-grandmother previously, which is odd, because the source quite clearly says he is Greek. The other sources don't actually say the people are Greek or Greek-American, but there may be sources for them elsewhere. By the way, did Kelly Clarkson's mother's parents change their name? Her mother's birth name is Jeanne Anne Rose. [[User:Jack O'Lantern|Mad Jack]] 16:57, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

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::Ok. I think we mainly agree. Only, we shouldn't judge this subjectively. There has to be a way to categorize without question. My guess, is that there are people with as much as e.g. even a Thai father or mother who haven't declared being of Thai descent, because for some reason they were raised not to think they were Thai. However, there may also exist others, who have a greatⁿ-grand-father who is a Sumerian, and self-identify as part-Sumerian, because they were raised to think so, and are proud of it. Therefore, I propose that we categorize people as they themselves wish. Their own self-identification, has to be respected, and if they get in the trouble of even remebering all their ancestral ethnicities, then what the heck, let'em have their 10 X-American categories! I mean, how many are there that can remember and declare such a detail? If they do, then it means something for them! [[User:N!|<span style="color:#fff;background:#88b">:N<span style="background:#99c">i<span style="background:#aad">k<span style="background:#bbe">o<b><span style="background:#ccf">S</span>il</b></span><b>v</b></span><b>e</b></span><b>r</b>:</span>]] 22:00, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

But just because someone says "I have Dutch, Greek and French ancestry" doesn't mean they are Dutch-American, Greek-American and French-American. It just means they have Dutch, French, and Greek ancestry. By categorize themselves, I would imagine it would be something like "I'm French", "I'm Greek", etc. or at worst "I'm half Greek", and that fits in perfectly with that's going on here. I can't see the encyclopedic point of putting someone in a category for every great-grandparent they had. "if they do, it means something to them" is also an opinion. This issue is obviously very complicated and there are a lot of intreprations to it. Ultimately that's why this is necessary - listing as "X-American" only if a reliable source, including the person in question, said that they are "X-AMerican" or just "X" (as opposed to "X" grandmother, "X descent" or "X, Y, Z, A, B and D") then they should be listed. Anything else is just my or your or someone else's intrepration of what an "X-American" is or should be. [[User:Jack O'Lantern|Mad Jack]] 23:04, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

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:Exactly. My and your opinion are subjective. We need an objective criterion for X-Americans. I have made a proposal regarding self-identification. Genealogy is far too complicated. I mean where are you going to stop? What is half-X to you? How about those who just happen to be 0.25-X, but self-id as X because they just don't like the 0.75-Y rest of them? And what exactly constitutes a 0.5 or a 0.33 or a 0.25 X-ancestry? How are we going to define that, and why should we bother, if the person him/herself states what is important for him/her? BTW have you read about the [[Janissaries]]? What do you think? Are they [[Ottoman]]s or what? [[User:N!|<span style="color:#fff;background:#88b">:N<span style="background:#99c">i<span style="background:#aad">k<span style="background:#bbe">o<b><span style="background:#ccf">S</span>il</b></span><b>v</b></span><b>e</b></span><b>r</b>:</span>]] 23:22, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

::Oh, yeah, if their great-grandmother was "X" but they say "I'm X" they are included. That's perfectly fine. It doesn't matter how much "X" ancestry someone has, as long as they are described as "X" by a reliable source, including themselves (and like I said, described as "half X" is probably borderline but fine). I haven't read about the Janissaries, but if one of them says "I am Ottooman" or a reliable source describes them as "Ottoman", then they should be included. :) [[User:Jack O'Lantern|Mad Jack]] 23:25, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

:::It's so trivial anyway. I guess we have two options for X-Americans then:

:::*Self-identify as X or atleast as half-X, regardless of ''actual'' geneaology. For the others, their other thin ethnicities will be mentioned in their bios, but they won't get their X-American category.

:::*Self-identify as even 1% X. They get their X-American category, and the thin-ness of their X-ethnicity is clarified in their bios.

:::I still go for #2, coz I think that if someone gets in the trouble of remembering his/her 1% thin ethnicities, then they mean something to them. In any case, I guess there won't be so many thin cases. I'd hate it if we did this the poll way... [[User:N!|<span style="color:#fff;background:#88b">:N<span style="background:#99c">i<span style="background:#aad">k<span style="background:#bbe">o<b><span style="background:#ccf">S</span>il</b></span><b>v</b></span><b>e</b></span><b>r</b>:</span>]] 23:47, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, someone could mention what they ate for breakfast that morning. It doesn't mena it's notable or important. I don't think this is a poll or anything. It's under Wikipedia's policies that we can call someone "X" if they have been described as "X" - I mean relating to any subject matter, not ethnicities or anything specific. [[User:Jack O'Lantern|Mad Jack]] 23:51, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

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:As I said, what you and I think is subjective. I would never equate thin-ethnicity to something as trivial as breakfast, though. And let me get it straight: I hate it too that people like your Jessica Chakos will have 8 (or so) sub-cats, but I think they are very very few, so no problem. On the other hand, if we indescriminately remove sub-cats from people that would state otherwise, then we are wrong. What do you mean by your WP policy comment above? Is there a specific policy that states that if someone self-identifies as little as 1%o X, they shouldn't be categorized as X (or as X-American for that matter)? I seriously doubt that. [[User:N!|<span style="color:#fff;background:#88b">:N<span style="background:#99c">i<span style="background:#aad">k<span style="background:#bbe">o<b><span style="background:#ccf">S</span>il</b></span><b>v</b></span><b>e</b></span><b>r</b>:</span>]] 00:04, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

::No, like I said there is nothing specific, but as has been explained to me, things like the [[Wikipedia:No original research]] policy state "Articles may not contain any previously unpublished theories, data, statements, concepts, arguments, or ideas; or any new analysis or synthesis of published data". So, if someone says "I Have some French ancestry" and Wikipedia turns this into labelling the person "French American", even though no reliable sources have done that, that's a synthesis/analysis of published data, and thus original research, or even [[Wikipedia:Verifiability]], which says "Facts, viewpoints, theories, and arguments may only be included in articles if they have already been published by reliable and reputable sources." I.e. if someone says "my grandmother was Spanish", and Wikipedia puts them into a "Spanish-American" category, that's specifically a viewpoint and/or argument that hasn't been published elsewhere. The maximum amount of categories - and this is my opinion only - should be 2. But of course, if someone says "I'm X", and later says "I'm Y", and later says "I'm Z", we can't argue with them and that would be three categories. [[User:Jack O'Lantern|Mad Jack]] 00:11, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

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What do [[WP:NOR]] and [[WP:V]], have to do with anything? If the guy says he has some French ancestry, then he's French-American. That is my view. Where is the synthensis/analysis in that? What are those arbitrary limits you drop here and there? ''"X or at least half-X"'', ''"max 2 sub-cats"''? This is highly subjective. I could say: ''"at least 0.24365-X"'' and ''"max 4 sub-cats"''. In essence, there is no definition, no policy, no guideline, no rule, no poll, nothing that sets the limit. We two are the last ones who will decide about something like that. Oh, and BTW, who cares about X-Americans anyway? It is a general issue for all X-Y categories! [[User:N!|<span style="color:#fff;background:#88b">:N<span style="background:#99c">i<span style="background:#aad">k<span style="background:#bbe">o<b><span style="background:#ccf">S</span>il</b></span><b>v</b></span><b>e</b></span><b>r</b>:</span>]] 00:22, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

:"If the guy says he has some French ancestry, then he's French-American. That is my view." Exactly. That's your view. That's the synthesis part. The guy says he has some French ancestry. You or me or whoever now synthesizes it into that person being French-American. That's the synthesis that's not allowed under Original Research. And you said it yourself - it's '''your''' view - and that's the verifiability part, that says the viewpoint can't be put in unless a reliable source also expressed that view - i.e. the sourceh as to actually say the guy is French-American. These policies effect every article - the lists too. Yes, it's the same for all categories. I.e. can't put someone into the "Scientologists" category unless a source actually says they're Scientologist, etc. It is the same for everyone. Like I said, it was just '''my opinion''' that an article shouldn't have more than two ethnicity cats. If a reliable source describes that person as "X-American", then another later says "Y-American", and a third also adds "B-American", then all three can be put in, regardless of my opinion. [[User:Jack O'Lantern|Mad Jack]] 02:17, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

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::So, in our case, where someone says: I am X, then you can list him under X-Americans. When someone says I am half-X, then also you can list him under X-Americans. But if he says I am X and Y and Z and Omega you can't list him in all four cats? I really don't get what you're saying. What is the difference? Isn't the person himself a reliable source? Are these ethnicities lesser just because they are more? The person himself decided to state them all, instead of plain American. How can you overlook that? Isn't that arbitrary and subjective and [[WP:NOR]] too? [[User:N!|<span style="color:#fff;background:#88b">:N<span style="background:#99c">i<span style="background:#aad">k<span style="background:#bbe">o<b><span style="background:#ccf">S</span>il</b></span><b>v</b></span><b>e</b></span><b>r</b>:</span>]] 10:19, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

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:::I agree with Nikos, Mallaccaos and XXXXX. Its these people themselves who stated that they are of such and such origins, that's legit and reliable sourcing as you can get. As it was stated, if these people did not put value in knowing what their origins/ethinicities were they would not make the efford to know each and everyone of them but would just say '''I'm American''' not '''I'm American of X Y Z ethnicities''''. [[User:BONK|BONK]] 26 June 2006 (UTC)

The question here is not whether they are a reliable source or not - obviously that was never the issue. I told you already, if someone says "I am X" and later "I am Y" and later "I am omega", that sounds fine. But when someone says "I am X,Y,Z,D,F,E,G,L,M,N,P" at the same time, it is not quite the same as saying "I am X". [[User:Jack O'Lantern|Mad Jack]] 17:25, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

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:Well then what's the problem with these ones? Accordign to the sources that Mallaccaos provided they are either 100% Greek-American or 50% Greek American: Hank Azaria both his mother's and father's parents are [[Greek Jews]] who came from [[Thessaloniki]], [[Greece]]; same thing with Gabrielle Carteris and '''her''' family is of [[Romaniotes]] descent basically making her 100% of Greek Jew descent; Nick Cassavetes is 50% Greek on father's side and 50% American on mother's; Patricia Field is 50% Greek(100% Greek mother) and 50% Armenian(100% Armenian father); Slim Gaillard was 50% Greek(100% Greek father) and 50% Afro-Cuban(100% mother's side); Athena Kottak is 50% Greek(100% Greek mother who was Miss Hellas) and 50% Welsh(100% Welsh father); Bill Koutsouros 100% Greek (both parents are Greek); Peter Maneos 50% Greek(100% Greek father) and 50% Italian(100% Italian mother); Julia Migenes she might be as you call it "Y and Z" on her mom's side but she is 50% Greek on her father's side(100% Greek father) and gives credence to it since she make mention that it is the passionate mixture of Greek and Irish-Puerto-Rican descent which made her as she is; Elizabeth Perkins she is 50% Greek on her father's side(who was 100% Greek) and is even a contrubitor to the The Hellenic Times Scholarship Fund PLUS she was one of the many Greek-American's honored at The Hellenic Times event, meaning she acknowledge's her Greek heritage. [[User:BONK|BONK]] 26 June 2006

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As for '''why''' a person mentions their ethnicities in the first place, it is silly to suggest it is because it means something to them. Most of the time, an interviewer or whoever simply asks them. Just because they don't forget to mention their great-grandma's ethnicity doesn't automatically make them "Y-American".

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:And its silly for you to suggest that it does not mean anything to them. If it didn't mean anything to them, they would not mention it, since they mention it, it means they do know something about their family history, meaning it more then likely is important for them to remember such details. [[User:BONK|BONK]] 26 June 2006 (UTC)

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Anyway, it doesn't matter "why" it is mentioned, as long as someone says "I am X" that fits in perfectly with a "List of X". "My grandma was X" or "I am of X descent" = "List of people with an X grandma" or "List of people of X descent". It is only through a Wikipedia user's intrepration (unless of course it has been done in a reliable source first) that that statement becomes just "X" [[User:Jack O'Lantern|Mad Jack]] 17:25, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

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:Well most of the ones mentioned on this list do say "I am X", what's the problem with the one's I mentioned above? [[User:BONK|BONK]] 26 June 2006 (UTC)

No, the sources don't actually say they are Greek or even half Greek. They just say someone's father is Greek, etc. If someone was honored as a Greek-American then they should be on the list, of course, but there needs to be a source for that info. It doesn't matter if it means something to them or not - that's the point. If a person is described as "X", they should be on a "List of X". Doesn't matter why they are described as that. But if they are not actually described as "X", but just something that in a Wikipedia editor's opinion makes them "X", then they shouldn't be on a "List of X" unless a reliable source described them as "X". [[User:Jack O'Lantern|Mad Jack]] 19:50, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

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::How about people with "X-sisters in law"? Please stop trying to enforce [[WP:OR]] practices in defining after which number of ancestral ethnicities a person states, they shouldn'd fit in the respective X-American categories. This whole conversation is absurd, so if there is nothing new to say, we'll have to agree that we disagree.[[User:N!|<span style="color:#fff;background:#88b">:N<span style="background:#99c">i<span style="background:#aad">k<span style="background:#bbe">o<b><span style="background:#ccf">S</span>il</b></span><b>v</b></span><b>e</b></span><b>r</b>:</span>]] 19:58, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

:::Yes, this conversation is annoying. However, what I am doing is specifically not trying to define anything. That is something we should avoid. What I am doing is saying that reliable sources should define everything for us. If they define something as an X, Wikipedia can. If not, not. [[User:Jack O'Lantern|Mad Jack]] 20:02, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Hank Azaria is not Greek, he is Jewish. [[User:תיל&#34;ם|תיל&#34;ם]] ([[User talk:תיל&#34;ם|talk]]) 15:29, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

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May I suggest spreading the pictures around the article? It's a little pointless to have them at the bottom [[User:Jack O'Lantern|Mad Jack]] 20:05, 23 June 2006 (UTC)