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== How do I transfer Google authenticator from one Samsung phone to another? ==
==Linking to Βικιπαίδεια==
Hello, I'm new to Wikipedia so I'm not so sharp when it comes to making links. I am working on a page for [[Navagio]] and I have found that Βικιπαίδεια currently has an entry for it. On the Navagio page I would like the word "Ναυάγιο" to link to el.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ναυάγιο_(Ζάκυνθος). How do I make an external link like that, without making a footnote? --[[User:Skyscraper|Skyscraper]] 19:22, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
: Try <nowiki>[[:el:Ναυάγιο_(Ζάκυνθος)]]</nowiki>, which produces a link that looks like [[:el:Ναυάγιο_(Ζάκυνθος)|this]]. However, an article that consists of a link to just an external page can be [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#A3|speedy deleted]]. [[User:Titoxd|Tito]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]])</sup> 19:33, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
:: Don't worry, I have content for the page. Thank you! --[[User:Skyscraper|Skyscraper]] 19:38, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I use it for 2FA on my account. Thanks. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 07:33, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
==Images==
I tried to add some images to [[Hornussen]] but they don't seem to work. The images are on the German page so I don't know why they won't work on the English page as well. Hope someone can help. Thanks--[[User:Charlie Perry|CharlieP]] 05:14, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
:I guess you have already installed the app on your new phone. On your old phone, open the app, tap the three-dot menu, and select Transfer accounts, then choose Export accounts. Select the accounts you want and a QR code will appear. On your new phone, open the app, choose Import accounts, then Scan QR code, and scan the code from your old phone. Your accounts will be copied over, and you should keep your old phone until you have confirmed that everything is working correctly. – [[User:DreamRimmer|<span style="color:#5A4FCF">'''Dream'''Rimmer</span>]] [[User talk:DreamRimmer|<span style="color:##5A4FCF;">■</span>]] 07:46, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
:You seem to have figured out the problem yourself. __[[User:Meco|meco]] 10:33, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
::@[[User:DreamRimmer|DreamRimmer]] Sounds good. I've no plans to get rid of my old phone in any caee. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 14:05, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:DreamRimmer|DreamRimmer]], {{tq|you should keep your old phone until you have confirmed that everything is working correctly}} Better yet, make sure you know where the printout of your recovery codes is and verify it hasn't faded. — <span style="color:#e08020">Alexis Jazz</span> ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]] or ping me) 16:17, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
:Another way is to disable 2FA when on the old phone, and then re-enroll with the new phone. This does require that you are still eligible for 2FA however (different groups have different eligibility). As you are still an oversighter, you should still be eligible. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 08:54, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:TheDJ|TheDJ]] Thanks. Forgot about eligibility! I think all Admins should be required to have 2FA. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 14:05, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
:::Global requirements are slowly increasing over time. There are some sensitive groups that we require to have 2FA, and some that their tools become disabled when 2FA isn't set up now. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 14:09, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
:::I think there needs to be a better recovery system other than "have a database admin manually flip the 2FA bit" before it's made mandatory for a larger group of editors. <span class="nowrap">--[[User:Ahecht|Ahecht]] ([[User talk:Ahecht|<b style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:1px;vertical-align:middle;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br />PAGE</b>]])</span> 19:42, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
::::What's the procedure if your phone is lost or damaged? [[User:Hawkeye7|<span style="color:#800082">Hawkeye7</span>]] [[User_talk:Hawkeye7|<span style="font-size:80%">(discuss)</span>]] 21:24, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
Turns out I didn't have to do anything. When I transferred my apps with Samsung Smartswitch it worked on the new phone. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 14:24, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
== Trigger Happy ==
Dear Wikipedians:
I, like you, am an editor; I create articles and make edits.
But, many, I am sure many other people out there, are tired, frustrated and angry with the behavior of many Administrators. I am certain that it is appallingly easy to revert and article, that someone has undoubtedly spent allot of time and effort writing. I have, in the past spent hours, researching, planning, writing, checking and revising an addition to an article only to have the whole lot deleted forever three minutes afterwards.
:Google Authenticator stores its keys in the cloud (for a while there was a configuration flag for it, these days I don't think you can even disable it), so as long as you use the same Google account on the other phone, it should just work. [[User:Tgr (WMF)|Tgr (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Tgr (WMF)|talk]]) 13:38, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
I know that deletion of material is essential in a free-to-edit encyclopedia, but if you see an article that someone has anonymously devoted their time to writing, why could you not revise it, change it or give a reason for you action? They deserve one.
::I didn't know that. That's good. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 14:29, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
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* Later this week, people who are logged-in and have the "[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Talk pages project/Feature summary|Discussion tools]]" [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures|Beta Feature]] enabled will gain the ability to "Thank" individual comments directly from talk pages, rather than needing to navigate to page history. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Talk pages project/Feature summary#Comment actions|Learn more about this feature]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T400849]
* An A/B test comparing two versions of the desktop donate link launched on testwiki on 12 August and on English Wikipedia 14 August for 0.1% of logged out users on the desktop site. The experiment will run for three weeks, ending on 12 September. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T395716]
* An A/A test to measure the baseline for reader retention was launched 12 August using [[wikitech:Experimentation Lab|Experimentation Lab]]. This measures the percentage of users who revisit a wiki after their initial visit over a 14-day period. No visual changes are expected. The experiment will run through 31 August. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T399227]
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:[[File:Mobile overflow comment menu.png|thumb|right|300px]] Hmm, the "Report" feature seems interesting--I wonder how that's gonna work if it ever gets implemented. [[User:Some1|Some1]] ([[User talk:Some1|talk]]) 03:17, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
::Looks like it would use the [[m:Incident Reporting System]]. – [[User:SD0001|<span style="font-weight: bold; color: #C30">SD0001</span>]] ([[User talk:SD0001|talk]]) 13:29, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, that's what's going on with that link. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 19:43, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
:::Yeah, that screenshot is from ptwiki, where we had already been testing that feature out. If you're curious to see more about it, it's [https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Village_pump also on testwiki].
:::We released Thanks there first (without the beta feature), because it ''already'' had the overflow menu present for Report and the editors were thus used to an extra button being present. [[User:DLynch (WMF)|DLynch (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DLynch (WMF)|talk]]) 20:16, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
::::I do have to say, the single-item overflow menu just for "Thank" is a bit goofy, but it will make more sense once "Report" is rolled out. <span class="nowrap">--[[User:Ahecht|Ahecht]] ([[User talk:Ahecht|<b style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:1px;vertical-align:middle;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br />PAGE</b>]])</span> 13:52, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
::What Report does and when it should be used seems unclear to the casual visitor. I suspect most of its clicks will accidentally escalate minor matters which are best dealt with by local admins. [[User:Certes|Certes]] ([[User talk:Certes|talk]]) 22:48, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Certes|Certes]] From what I've seen, "Report" will first ask if it is an immediate threat of physical harm (which gets reported to T&S), and otherwise just shows an info page that's basically a summary of [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution]]. <span class="nowrap">--[[User:Ahecht|Ahecht]] ([[User talk:Ahecht|<b style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:1px;vertical-align:middle;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br />PAGE</b>]])</span> 17:53, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
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== CSS / dark mode images ==
==Redirect==
<div style="float: right;">[[FIle:Wikipedia Alphabet Soup.png|right|thumb|100px|no class]]</div><div class="mw-no-invert" style="float: right;">[[FIle:Wikipedia Alphabet Soup.png|right|thumb|100px|mw-no-invert]]</div>
This may sound silly but I can't get a my redirect at [[Del Monte]] to work. I've tried hard to get it to go to [[Del Monte Foods]] but it just won't work. I someone could fix this for me I would be Eternally Greatful. Thanks [[User:Samuell|Samuel]] 15:36, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Mayde somedid something just now but for some reason it works. Thanks [[User:Samuell|Samuel]] 15:38, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
OK, so the image at right in "light mode", renders correctly. When you switch it to "dark mode", the colors become a bit de-saturated, this is especially obvious in the reds. I initially thought this [[the dress|was an optical illusion]], but confirmed it by inspecting the element in Firefox's DOM/style inspector.
==<nowiki>{{PAGENAME}} {{PAGENAMEE}}</nowiki> and {{tl|PAGENAMEEE}}==
The guilty CSS for handling dark mode appears to be this CSS:
''Copied from [[WP:ANI]]''
<syntaxhighlight lang="css">html, html img:not(.mw-invert), html video:not(.mw-invert), html ogvjs:not(.mw-invert), html svg:not(.mw-invert), html iframe:not(.mw-invert), html .mw-no-invert, html .cdx-no-invert, html td .diffchange, html .wvui-typeahead-suggestion__thumbnail, html .skin-minerva .mw-notification-visible .mw-notification-content, html .oo-ui-searchWidget-results .oo-ui-iconElement-icon, html .list-thumb, html .media-viewer .image img, html .media-viewer .mw-file-description img {
I only put this here becasue the script that links to the media wiki autoblock page on [[template:AOLdos]] is ''thiiiiiiis'' close to working correctly, which would cut down on vandalism ''a lot'' IMO, so, one more question... PAGENAME gives " " and PAGENAMEE gives _ so is there a 3rd variable out there somewhere that inserts '''+''' signs in place of spaces? otherwise the mediawiki link is never going to work correctly without being manually subst'd and debugged--[[User:205.188.116.65|205.188.116.65]] 14:00, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
filter: invert(1) hue-rotate(180deg);
:The only way I know of to get something like 'User:Conrad+Bertrand+Dunkerson' (if I correctly understand that to be what you are looking for) into a template is to pass it in as a parameter. There is no 'magic word' (like 'PAGENAMEE') for '+' separators and no way in MediaWiki to parse sub-sets of a string. --[[User talk:CBDunkerson|CBD]] 20:27, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
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::What about <nowiki>{{urlencode:}}</nowiki>? That makes it so if you do <nowiki>{{urlencode:{{PAGENAME}}}}</nowiki> it will make it "Administrators'+noticeboard/Incidents" --<font size="1">[[User:GeorgeMoney|GeorgeMoney]] <sup>[[User_talk:GeorgeMoney|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/GeorgeMoney|C]]</sup></font> 20:34, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
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:::Now created at [[Template:PAGENAMEEE]]. [[User:AmiDaniel|AmiDaniel]] ([[User talk:AmiDaniel|talk]]) 20:41, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
::::This is an horrible name. PAGENAMEE stands for "pagename encoded"; what the swearword does "PAGENAMEEE" stand for? --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 23:31, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::Then feel free to move it. I simply stuck it there as that was what was requested here. PAGENAMEEE I suppose would be pagename extended encoding or something, dunno. If you have a better idea for the name, then put it wherever you want. [[User:AmiDaniel|AmiDaniel]] ([[User talk:AmiDaniel|talk]]) 04:14, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
::::::Done. --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 19:39, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
If I remove the <syntaxhighlight lang="css" inline>hue-rotate(180deg)</syntaxhighlight> the image renders correctly, however, the other colors on the page do not. I initially thought it might be possible to override the filter property on just the image element, but this does not appear to work. I know there's a CSS class, <syntaxhighlight lang="css" inline>.mw-no-invert</syntaxhighlight>, but this seems to have the effect of inverting the image (see other example at right).
=== odd question ===
Can someone help me format the photos at [[Argo Tea]]. I am trying to get the two photos on the left to appear above each other.
[[User:TonyTheTiger|Tony The Tiger]] 18:10, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Is there some way to prevent the images from being inverted selectively that I've missed? —[[User:Locke Cole|Locke Cole]] • [[User talk:Locke Cole|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Locke Cole|c]] 03:38, 22 August 2025 (UTC)
=== odd question ===
Are there any potential pitfalls, to using this as a template? <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[User:AOL user/PAGENAMEEE.js|User:AOL user/PAGENAMEEE.js]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki>--[[User:AOL user|AOL user]] 04:15, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
:Well, youThat dondoesn't wantseem toright. usePlease report it as a JSbug in filePhabricator. --—[[User:TheDJ|Th<fontspan sizestyle="1color: green">[[User:GeorgeMoney|GeorgeMoney]] e<sup/span>DJ]] ([[User_talkUser talk:GeorgeMoneyTheDJ|Ttalk]]· • [[Special:Contributions/GeorgeMoneyTheDJ|Ccontribs]]</sup></font>) 0407:3448, 1722 JuneAugust 20062025 (UTC)
:It's because you're using the deprecated [[WP:Dark mode (gadget)]] instead of vector-2022's dark mode. The above CSS is defined locally (see [[MediaWiki:Gadget-dark-mode.css]]) so a phab report wouldn't help. – [[User:SD0001|<span style="font-weight: bold; color: #C30">SD0001</span>]] ([[User talk:SD0001|talk]]) 08:25, 22 August 2025 (UTC)
::That got it. Oddly I disabled the dark mode gadget in preferences, hit save, then went to appearance and chose vector-2022, hit save and came back and the issue was still present. Went into the appearance widget in vector-2022 and dark/light mode were disabled, saying the gadget was still active, helpfully it had a button to disable it and that finally got it working.
::Still not a huge fan of vector-2022, but I guess if I want a functional dark mode, this is my only choice. —[[User:Locke Cole|Locke Cole]] • [[User talk:Locke Cole|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Locke Cole|c]] 15:39, 22 August 2025 (UTC)
:::{{quote|Still not a huge fan of vector-2022}}
:::Same. I much prefer the gadget version + [[mw:skin:Minerva Neue|skin:Minerva Neue]], it looks nicer on smartphone, even while viewing desktop pages without even enabling the browser's desktop mode. The downsides are that there are templates where it doesn't work{{efn|example: the older version of {{tl|Periodic table (by nutritional elements)}} before August 16, 2025}} (usually the underused/undocumented ones), and certain images need to have [[WP:SKININVERT||class=skin-invert]] in their source code to be visible; and also, of course, the one you posted above.{{pb}} I don't like that the default Dark Mode (Vector 2022) keeps the background white for certain transparent images.
:::{{tnote}} [[User:CheckNineEight|CheckNineEight]] ([[User talk:CheckNineEight|talk]]) 11:55, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
::If the gadget is deprecated and the vector2022 dark mode is preferred one for vector 2022, is it possible to disable the gadget from running if the skin is vector 2022? [[User:Robertsky|– robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 17:14, 22 August 2025 (UTC)
:::We can remove it from the options. I am fairly certain that does not remove it from the selection people will have made in their preferences, but I am not totally certain.
:::I do not know about the word deprecated myself. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 19:44, 22 August 2025 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I don't know that deprecated is the right word. It currently says not recommended, which makes sense, but if you want to use a non-vector 2022 skin, I think that gadget is the only thing that enables a dark mode option. —[[User:Locke Cole|Locke Cole]] • [[User talk:Locke Cole|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Locke Cole|c]] 19:51, 22 August 2025 (UTC)
::::Like I said, 'if the skin is vector 2022'. Have additional codes or something to detect if current skin used is v22 and either direct the user to enable the darkmode option in their preferences or enable that for them instead of allowing the css to load. It shouldnt impact on the other skins until they get dark mode support... if ever. [[User:Robertsky|– robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 05:53, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::Vector 2022 already disables its own dark mode if you have the dark mode gadget on. [[User:Nardog|Nardog]] ([[User talk:Nardog|talk]]) 06:37, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
== Example css file to remove Depictions of Prophet Muhammad doesnt work ==
:True! [[User:162.83.147.242|162.83.147.242]] 05:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Ive tried using the [[Talk:Muhammad/images/example css|css file that is supposed to remove/censore depicitons of the Prophet]] that is linked to in the [[Help:Options to hide an image#Disable specific images|in the instruction page]] which itself linked too in the "wikipedia is not censored" template on talk pages.
== Loss of session data, intrusion attempt via exploit of MSIE script overflow ==
The css file doesnt work and I dont know how to get it to work, Ive tried adding an extra comma but that did nothing (link to the revision[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Muhammad/images/example_css&oldid=1308131615]). I swear i hit publish on it three seperate times but my contributions history says i only did it once. regardless,[[List of Wikipedia controversies#2008|I used the 2008 section of the wiki contraversies article]] and [[Depictions of Muhammad]] to check and all three times the images still showed, before i added and after.if anyone has any advice please do pitch in, thank you! [[User:AssanEcho|AssanEcho]] ([[User talk:AssanEcho|talk]]) 18:05, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
:<font color=#CC0000>'''Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. Please try again. If it still doesn't work, try logging out and logging back in.'''</font>
:That CSS examples page uses a pretty brittle method in that it targets the specific image names. Someone needs to update it for the images that are presently on the page.
Every time I try to edit a page, the above message comes up. I've tried logging out and back in again, but it still appears. I can edit fine and preview fine so it's not a big problem, I'm just wondering why it keeps coming up. — '''''[[User:FireFox|<span style="color:#3971DE">Fire<span>]][[User talk:FireFox|<span style="color:#3971DE">Fox<span>]]''''' • 13:29, 06 June '06
:Example: One of the lines in the CSS is <code>a[href="/wiki/File:Muammad-as-youth-meeting-monk-bahira-compendium-persia-1315-edin-550.jpg"],</code>. The file has been renamed such that this rule doesn't match any longer (<code>a[href="/wiki/File:Young_Muhammad_meets_the_monk_Bahira_-_from_Jami'_al-Tawarikh.jpg"],</code> would now match what I believe to be the same image).
:An alternative would be to use the {{para|class}} that images have to add something like {{para|class|image-of-muhammad}} on that page and then target that. It would be marginally less brittle. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 18:09, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
::perhaps that should just be whats added instead of the current method even if (im guessing) it results in the more tame images (eg, depictions with a veil) being censored too.
::<del> also, general wiki policy dectates an editor shouldnt edit a talkpage post beyond minor grammar corrections soon after originally posting but i copied and pasted by accident an older version of this post from notepadd and left out a sentance, could i readded even though its a bit against guidlines, it doesnt add anything which would require you change your post </del>[[User:AssanEcho|AssanEcho]] ([[User talk:AssanEcho|talk]]) 18:16, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
::Maybe a userscript like Anomie's linkclassifier would be a better fit here.<span id="Qwerfjkl:1756392743002:WikipediaFTTCLNVillage_pump_(technical)" class="FTTCmt"> — [[User:Qwerfjkl|<span style="background:#1d9ffc; color:white; padding:5px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">Qwerfjkl</span>]][[User talk:Qwerfjkl|<span style="background:#79c0f2;color:white; padding:2px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">talk</span>]] 14:52, 28 August 2025 (UTC)</span>
:::on this page? "[[User:Anomie/linkclassifier]]"? [[User:AssanEcho|AssanEcho]] ([[User talk:AssanEcho|talk]]) 14:18, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
== Maplink wikidata broken? ==
:Try logging out, clearing your cache and cookies, and logging back in. ~[[User:Mdd4696 |MDD]][[User talk:Mdd4696 |46]][[Special:Contributions/Mdd4696 |96]] 14:27, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
::No change =( — '''''[[User:FireFox|<span style="color:#3971DE">Fire<span>]][[User talk:FireFox|<span style="color:#3971DE">Fox<span>]]''''' • 14:57, 06 June '06
:::Do you have a preview prior to your first edit? [[User:Agathoclea|Agathoclea]] 16:47, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
::::Um, prior to my first change, yes. It automatically shows the preview. It's not happened before though. — '''''[[User:FireFox|<span style="color:#3971DE">Fire<span>]][[User talk:FireFox|<span style="color:#3971DE">Fox<span>]]''''' • 17:55, 06 June '06
:::::There's a setting in prefs to show preview on first edit. Try unchecking that. Also try a different browser or two - some have issues with losing session data prematurely. [[User:Deco|Deco]] 20:08, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
::::::It fixes the problem when I uncheck the box, but when I re-check the box the problem is still there. I've never had the problem before - it just appeared out of nowhere... no change of preferences, no change of browser or anything. — '''''[[User:FireFox|<span style="color:#3971DE">Fire<span>]][[User talk:FireFox|<span style="color:#3971DE">Fox<span>]]''''' • 21:13, 06 June '06
{{Maplink|frame=yes|id=Q116290876|zoom=14|type=shape|stroke-width=3|text=Outline of Sen̓áḵw (red), in the [[Kitsilano]] neighbourhood of Vancouver.}}
:::::::I am having the same problem, but ''only'' when I try to edit pages in my user pages e.g. [[User:Hillman/Wikipedia_quality_control|this page]], not when I try to edit my user talk page or other user talk pages. I did try logging out and back in. I don't recall ever having experienced this kind of error before (been here about a year).---[[User:Hillman|CH]] 21:51, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::::: Me too. It only occurs on the first "preview load", and does not occur after that. [[User:Titoxd|Tito]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User_talk:Titoxd|?!?]] - [[Wikipedia:WikiProject edit counters/Flcelloguy's Tool|help us]])</sup> 05:54, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
:Fixed. --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] 08:37, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
The {{tl|Maplink}} on the right is an exact copy of the one used on [[Sen̓áḵw]]. Despite working perfectly fine last time I checked a few weeks ago, {{Para|id|Q116290876}} no longer automatically navigates to, and displays, the boundary defined by [[d:Q116290876|Q116290876]]. No meaningful changes have been made to the Wikidata entry, nor the OpenStreetMap feature it's linked to.[https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/11984710/history <nowiki>[3]</nowiki>] Switching to the similar {{Para|id|Q17018530}} also doesn't work. I have no idea what happened here. — [[User talk:AFC Vixen|AFC Vixen]] 🦊 09:02, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
Brion, Im getting the same problem. Can you tell me what the fix was? Can anyone help? Thanks.
:I see a blue screen (ocean, I think it is). It does not display the island it’s meant to. [[Special:Contributions/2001:8003:B15F:8000:D7E:2F03:5B3D:FAE6|2001:8003:B15F:8000:D7E:2F03:5B3D:FAE6]] ([[User talk:2001:8003:B15F:8000:D7E:2F03:5B3D:FAE6|talk]]) 11:41, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
::[[Special:Contributions/2001:8003:B15F:8000:D7E:2F03:5B3D:FAE6|2001:8003:B15F:8000:D7E:2F03:5B3D:FAE6]], I can see a blue screen, and zooming out, it looks like [[Null Island]].<span id="Qwerfjkl:1756392558265:WikipediaFTTCLNVillage_pump_(technical)" class="FTTCmt"> — [[User:Qwerfjkl|<span style="background:#1d9ffc; color:white; padding:5px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">Qwerfjkl</span>]][[User talk:Qwerfjkl|<span style="background:#79c0f2;color:white; padding:2px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">talk</span>]] 14:49, 28 August 2025 (UTC)</span>
:I think the issue is related to the link between OpenStreetMap and Wikidata rather than Wikidata as such. I am using a module/template that shows rivers (based on OpenStreetMap) as well as their basin (based on Commons .map). Currently it is showing the basins, but not the rivers themselves (see https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indals%C3%A4lven for an example). [[User:Gunnar Larsson|Gunnar Larsson]] ([[User talk:Gunnar Larsson|talk]]) 17:19, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
Side note: this may be related to [[#Infobox map not rendering properly]], as [[Omaha–Council Bluffs metropolitan area]] also uses a {{tlg|Maplink|nolink=yes}} relying on Wikidata, and unlike the editors in that discussion, I am seeing ''no'' shapes on that particular map. — [[User talk:AFC Vixen|AFC Vixen]] 🦊 09:08, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
:Are you getting '''the same''' problem? The same problem means that all of the following are true:
:I see an orange triangle-like shape at [https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/11984710/history] and the same shape in red here and at [[Sen̓áḵw]]. Have you tried another browser or logging out? [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 09:50, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
:# You have "preview on first edit" enabled in your preferences
::I have the same issue, all I see is a blank blue box. I'm using the latest version of Firefox and the only addon I have installed is an adblocker, which is disabled.
:# It only happens when you first click the edit link, '''not''' when you click 'save' or 'preview'.
::Testing in incognito mode in Firefox, and normally in Edge and Chrome, the issue also persists. It exists both logged out and logged in. [[User:Nebman227|Nebman227]] ([[User talk:Nebman227|talk]]) 12:53, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
:# It does not cause any problems with saving pages, it's just a confusing display of the message when you first click 'edit'.
::: Hmm. Works fine for me here both logged in and in incognito mode in Firefox 141, and while logged out in Chromium 139. [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 13:08, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
:I can confirm that this bug is indeed fixed, and I'm not seeing it when I test it now.
::::Huh. Now it switched to Null Island as others mentioned above. No idea. [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 14:59, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
:It's possible that you're encountering the '''actual''' session failure problem. The symptoms of this are:
:I know they just joined one of the datacenters back, after upgrading it to newer version of Debian and Kartotherian. That might have something to do with it, and explain why some ppl have different results than others. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 17:36, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
:# Error message about loss of session data '''does''' show up when you click 'save'.
::For what it's worth, this issue I first noticed on Omaha appears to be affecting many articles - a brief glance shows [[Kansas City metropolitan area]] and [[Greater St. Louis]] having the same issue. [[User:Home Lander|Home Lander]] ([[User talk:Home Lander|talk]]) 00:49, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
:# It '''does not''' show up when you click "edit" or "preview".
::Hi folks! I am working on https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T381565 and yesterday I depooled the eqiad datacenter to test the new stack in codfw. I just repooled it, and now I see the map reported up above rendered correctly (same thing for the Kansas city neighborhoods. I am still a little puzzled why this happened, since we upgraded the postgres backend in codfw, kartotherian was upgraded months ago. [[User:LToscano (WMF)|LToscano (WMF)]] ([[User talk:LToscano (WMF)|talk]]) 13:02, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
:# It makes it difficult or impossible to save any pages until resolved (usually by logging out and logging back in, possibly with an explicit clear of cookies in browser preferences).
:::To keep archives happy - we believe it was a problem with postgres replication (between leader/replicas), maps codfw has been repooled a few moments ago. Please let us know if you see anything weird! Thanks a lot :) [[User:LToscano (WMF)|LToscano (WMF)]] ([[User talk:LToscano (WMF)|talk]]) 09:43, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
: --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] 04:59, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
=== Infobox map not rendering properly ===
:It is in the second category you mentioned.
:I get that error when I click 'save' but not when I click 'preview' ONLY when I am logged in
:All browsers (Opera, FFox, IE, Safari) have had their cookies and cache cleared out, I am suspecting this to be a bug?
: --Previous Poster 09:36, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I get this error when editing large talk and article pages, even when the section I am editing is a reasonable size. Logging in and loggout seldom helps. I am using Internet Explorer, and going to tools->general tab->settings->files and deleting all wikipedia and wikimedia related files, sometimes works.
I have a fix or workaround however. I am running Sygate firewall and each failure is associated with an intrusion detection message in the security log, with this description
:''"Remote Overflow in MSIE script action handler attempted"''.
Disabling the Sygate firewall completely and reliably resolves the issue. With this information, does anyone have info or a theory as to why this is occurring? Are other firewalls also detecting this problem? Please assist, because disabling the firewall is not a satisfying workaround. I had to disable the firewall to edit this section by the way.--[[User:Poodleboy|Poodleboy]] 12:27, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
::I will list the IP addresses that these attempts to intrude via this overflow are being made from as logged by sygate.
***207.142.131.203
***207.142.131.206
***207.142.131.214
***207.142.131.235
***207.142.131.236
***207.142.131.245
::Please investigate.--[[User:Poodleboy|Poodleboy]] 14:37, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Can someone file a bugzilla on this? Thanx. --[[User:Poodleboy|Poodleboy]] 11:34, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
On [[Omaha–Council Bluffs metropolitan area]], the map in the infobox is only rendering the brown shaded areas; the blue, green, and orange are not showing, at least for me. Can someone sort it out, as it's beyond my level of intelligence? [[User:Home Lander|Home Lander]] ([[User talk:Home Lander|talk]]) 18:02, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
:Report the issue to Sygate so they can investigate the false positive. --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] 11:37, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
::Are the other occurances of loss of session data also linked to sygate?--[[User:Poodleboy|Poodleboy]] 15:00, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
::Wouldn't the overflows be wikimedia bugs, even if they weren't intrusion attempts?--[[User:Poodleboy|Poodleboy]] 10:05, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
:::There's no such thing as an "overflow" in JavaScript. So... no. --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] 15:48, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
::::The overflow would be in Internet Explorer. Here is a description I found on the net:''"This vulnerability can be triggered by specifying more than a couple thousand script action handlers (such as onLoad, onMouseMove, etc) for any single HTML tag. Due to a programming error, MSIE will then attempt to write memory array out of bounds, at an offset corresponding to the ID of the script action handler multiplied by 4 (due to 32-bit address clipping, the result is a small positive integer)."'' Perhaps Sygate set their detection threshold below a "couple thousand". Do we have a legitimate use for a large number of action handlers? Perhaps Sygate could not forsee such a use (due to lack of imagination?).--[[User:Poodleboy|Poodleboy]] 11:05, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::MediaWiki doesn't use thousands of script handlers on the same tag. ;) It's theoretically possible that a buggy custom JavaScript could have added such a tag, of course. Check your monobook.js. --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] 15:00, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::(edit conflict) The only place I know of where Wikipedia uses any of these is on the [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], which appears on edit pages. However, while there is a large number of <code>onclick</code> handlers, there's only ''one'' for each tag; the overflow can only happen when there is ''more than one'' for each tag. So, if that's what Sygate is detecting, it's wrong and it's a false positive (probably it triggers on a number of <code>onclick</code> close together, without considering that, as long as they are on different tags, it cannot trigger the overflow). In other words, it's not lack of imagination, it's a bug; complain to Sygate. There's also a [[MediaWiki talk:Edittools/Archive 03#Replacing charinsert with dynamic JavaScript|proposal]] to completely change the way it works, which would not hit Sygate's bug; however, that proposal depends on having editable JavaScript for all skins, which we currently don't have. --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 15:07, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
::::::I have "upgraded" to IE7 beta 2. This also works around the problem without disabling Sygate or Sygate logging the security threats. I was at a completely updated IE6 before. -- thanx for your assistance. If it is easy to file bug reports with Sygate, I will.--[[User:Poodleboy|Poodleboy]] 06:08, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::::My report was premature, I now reproduce the problem on IE7, I now suspect that the buffer space within IE is shared, and that the problem is cumulative if you have several web pages open at once. I generally have two dozen or more open for later reading. Of course, it may be sygates detection mechanism which is cumulative.--[[User:Poodleboy|Poodleboy]] 08:40, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::::I just upgraded to IE7 beta 3, and can cnfirm the problem still exists.--[[User:Poodleboy|Poodleboy]] 13:16, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
:I'm getting blue and brown, but the other thing that's weird for me is that I'm not getting a map consistent between what's displayed currently and the MediaViewer version of it. Firefox 142 on Win10. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 18:05, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
== Unusual external link ==
::I should have mentioned, I suppose, that I'm on Windows 11 and Chrome 139.0.7258.139. [[User:Home Lander|Home Lander]] ([[User talk:Home Lander|talk]]) 18:07, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
It looks like it is working again now.[[User:Gunnar Larsson|Gunnar Larsson]] ([[User talk:Gunnar Larsson|talk]]) 13:00, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
== Discussion seeking advice on edit filters and modules ==
I just came across [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Otsego%2C_Michigan&curid=117015&diff=59197113&oldid=55881326 this edit]. It seems rather odd. When I click on the link I go to this site: http://www.w3.org/ How did that happen? Just curious. [[User:Bkonrad|older]] ≠ [[User talk:Bkonrad|wiser]] 03:00, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
:It's weirdly formatted. Two https at the front. Peculiar. --[[User:Deskana|Lord Deskana]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Deskana|I VALUE YOUR OPINIONS]]</sup> 03:06, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
::I think the browser is doing a search after the name lookup fails on http. If you google http, you get www.w3.org as the first link. —[[User:BradleyEE|Bradley]] 21:51, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Ah, that's correct. IE figures it's a bad link and says so. Firefox, irritatingly, just does a silent Google and returns the first hit, which is ''not'' good behavior. —[[User:Simetrical|Simetrical]] ([[User talk:Simetrical|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Simetrical|contribs]]) 22:50, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
::::Open firefox and go to the URL ''about:config''. Type ''keyword.'' in the search box. You can disable the feature with ''keyword.enabled'' and modify what it does by changing ''keyword.___URL''. You can set it to ''<nowiki>http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&q=</nowiki>'' if you want, and it will act like IE. Apparently in firefox it defaults to Feeling lucky search, whereas in netscape and mozilla suite it was a verbose google search. Shame there isn't a GUI for this, but that's how to change it back. // [[User:Kevin Breitenstein|Kevin_b_er]] 07:34, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
There is a discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:Banning policy#Should an edit filter be used to make the template admin-only?]] where it would be very helpful to have advice from editors with technical expertise on edit filters and modules. Thanks. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:52, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
== Redirects ==
== Turn IP account to named account? ==
Hi, I'm having a problem doing a redirect. I've done a number in the past but for some reason cannot seem to get this one to work. The redirect in question is getting [[Gay Games VII|this]] to redirect to [[Gay Games|this]]. What am I doing wrong? --[[User:Wisden17|Wisd]][[WP:EA|<font color="green">'''e'''</font>]][[User talk:Wisden17|n17]] 21:37, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
I have run into a named account with recent activity that appears to be a continuation of an IP account that did a handful of edits in 2019. Now I realize that I don't understand IP accounts - how they become "users", and what security exists on them since they do not have passwords. Presumably one would need to access WP with that same IP address to then take over the IP account and give it a username. I have seen this IP account: User_talk:159.224.181.7, which now (after 6 years of inactivity) has a username - [[User:Qrivas|Qrivas]] - which appears to be a synonym for the IP account.
:Nothing, apparently; it works fine. --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] 21:41, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
This case may be completely legitimate and I do not want to cast aspersions on this user. I ask this because if it is possible to "hijack" IP accounts that seems to me to be a security issue for WP. I am presuming that it is possible to fake an IP address, but I don't know if that is true. [[User:Lamona|Lamona]] ([[User talk:Lamona|talk]]) 03:36, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
::Yes, thanks Brion, for pointing that out (and sorry for troublin Mr. Vibber himself, I think this is my first interaction with you, but also my first interaciton with a 'developer')!:) I left a helpme and [[User:Pilotguy]] responded, and I pointed out to him that the problem seemed to have solved itself. Brion is there usually a lag in redirects working, i.e. after creating them should they work instantly? This has been the case in the past when I've created them, hence the problem caused with this one. --[[User:Wisden17|Wisd]][[WP:EA|<font color="green">'''e'''</font>]][[User talk:Wisden17|n17]] 21:47, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
: There is no way (baring burying the entire edit and asking one of the two people with [[WP:Importer|import upload access]] to re-import it, which would leave an audit trail a mile wide and definitely wasn't done here) to reassign edits from an IP address to a username. It's just not possible. That, of course, doesn't stop Qrivas from posting on [[User talk:159.224.181.7|159.224.181.7]] as if they were the same person as 159.224.181.7, since it's all just text and I could respond to talk page comments as if I were you in the same way. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 03:40, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
::Yes, Qrivas simply made two edits to an IP talk page in 2019. That's all, and anyone can do it. It may or may not have been their IP address at the time. It's allowed to respond to a talk page post without being the associated IP or user. I sometimes do it myself. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 09:47, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
== Code review for [[Module:High-use]] refactor ==
:::No, they should always work immediately. If you find it not working again, please take a screenshot for reference; I'm curious just what happens... --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] 02:31, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
I've refactored [[Module:High-use]] to make it:
::::If you're on page A, going through A?action=edit and A?action=submit to create the redirect, returning to page A, then browsers might use what they have in their cache for A no matter what you do on the server side. Guessing: -- [[User:Omniplex|Omniplex]] 07:01, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
* easier to understand (added comments)
* easier to localize
* have less repeated code
* use {{parameter|demo}} as the title everywhere, including in the Toolforge link, if provided
* use the base page for /testcases pages as well as /doc and /sandbox
* use Lua for the system categorization code instead of preprocessing a string containing {{tlx|sandbox other}}, a switch statement, and a [[Module:Effective protection level]] invocation
The refactored code is in [[Module:High-use/sandbox]] and the test cases are at [[Template:High-use/testcases]]. I've made an edit request, but I wanted to post here as well to get some additional sets of eyes on my code, and hopefully catch any issues I missed. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 05:33, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::Well you see I sort of thought that, Omniplex, so you can see from the page history that I tried blanking the page and then adding the redirect. That didn't work immediately and there was a good 2-3 mintues between my final edit to the page and the redirect actually working. I tried searching 'Gay Games VII' a number of times to test the redirect, and each time it would take me to the page with the redirect format looking like this:
:::: #redirect [[Gay Games]] (notes how the redirect is in lowercase, whilst when I typed it I used uppercase). I'll let you know Brion if I have any further problems, and get a screenshot off to you. Many thanks for your quick reply. --[[User:Wisden17|Wisd]][[WP:EA|<font color="green">'''e'''</font>]][[User talk:Wisden17|n17]] 12:32, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
:Discussion at [[Template talk:High-use#Edit request 27 August 2025: refactor]]. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 21:26, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::This "new" oddity just hit me elsewhere. IIRC #redirects with variables like BASEPAGENAME never worked, and <tt>[[../]]</tt> also fails (that could be new). For the ordinary case it can take minutes until a new redirect works, action=purge apparently doesn't help. Coming from another page adding <tt>?redirect=yes</tt> might have an effect. Or it's a placebo burning time until the redirect works anyway. Was your observation also at a subpage, or anything with a slash in it?-- [[User:Omniplex|Omniplex]] 16:55, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
== API:Exturlusage ==
:1) What does "take me to the page" mean? Is that the extract listed in the search results, or what you saw after clicking the link?
:2) What exactly *was* the link? Did it have "&redirect=no" on the URL?
:--[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] 15:56, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
I used some Python code to update my list of articles linking to example ([[User:Johnuniq/Links to example|here]]). That uses [[mw:API:Exturlusage]]. The result seems mostly correct but I noticed some pages do not contain "example", for example [[CLCN5]] + [[PAK1]] + [[PAK3]] + [[PAK4]] + [[PAK5]] + [[PAK6]]. I cannot see any 'related changes' that would explain why the API thinks [[CLCN5]] has an external link to example.com. Does anyone have a reasonable way of checking that API:Exturlusage does return the articles mentioned in this post? Any clues for why example.com is not present now? [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 05:54, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
::Hi, sorry Brion, that wasn't as clear as it could have been. Right, to test the redirect I tried searching "Gay Games VII" a number (about 7/8) times. Every time it would take me to a the "Gay Games VII" article page, with the text as described above (namely #redirect [[Gay Games]]). Every time I edited the "Gay Games VII" page I would get a correct formed redirect, however when searching in another tab (Firefox tabbed browsing) I would be taken back to the "Gay Games VII" page, as described above.
::I'm not entirely sure which link you are referring to in the second question. The redirect that was trying to be achieved was "Gay Games VII" redirecting to "Gay Games". I came across the redirect whilst on new-page patrol, and could see that the editor was having difficulty creating the redirect. When editing the redirect I made sure to add "&redirect=no", so I got the right editing screen up. Every time I would save the edit, and each time on saving it would take to me to a correctly formed redirect page. However, if I refreshed the page, or searched for "Gay Games VII" in another tab (as described above) I would get the incorrectly format page (with the "Gay Games VII" page display #redirect [[Gay Games]]). I hope this is clear and answers both your questions above. --[[User:Wisden17|Wisd]][[WP:EA|<font color="green">'''e'''</font>]][[User talk:Wisden17|n17]] 16:44, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
:The image in [[CLCN5#Notes]] links to example.com. You can use [[Special:ExpandTemplates]] to examine this kind of stuff. [[User:Nardog|Nardog]] ([[User talk:Nardog|talk]]) 07:29, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
==Individual IP detection via X-Forwarded-For==
::Amazing, thanks. Now that I've seen it, I realize that viewing the HTML source is a good way to find the link. The link comes from [[Template:Academic-written review]]. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 07:38, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
My ISP (westnet.com.au) says they would be able to track the repeat wikipedia vandal who keeps getting one of their proxy IPs (202.72.148.102) blocked if wikipedia could provide the X-Forwarded-For information sent with the HTTP request for the relevant edits. Is there any way to retrieve that from our logs? — [[User:Jeremygbyrne|JEREMY]] 07:54, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
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:::You can also use [[User:PrimeHunter/ExpandTemplates.js]] to get the template expansion of the whole page with a click and see the link there. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 09:50, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
::I've done the latter. Once they're listed, we'll be able to precisely block the vandals and fix the problem. Thanks! — [[User:Jeremygbyrne|JEREMY]] 09:02, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
:::We don't actually need the ISP's involvement to list their proxies, as long as the proxy IPs are known and have an appropriate reverse DNS entry. In this case, unfortunately, reverse DNS for 202.72.148.102 just returns NXDOMAIN. If you could get them to fix that, that would be great. If it was something like "cache1.westnet.com.au" then we could be sure that IP really is a dedicated proxy. -- [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] 07:14, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
::::The ISP in question, westnet, now tell me "The PTR's for our IPs have been updated. This should allow Wiki[pedia] to confirm that the source IP is in fact a dedicated proxy." Is this in fact the case? If so, is there anything more I need to do for the problem to go away? — [[User:Jeremygbyrne|JEREMY]] 17:25, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::At least for 202.72.148.102, its reverse DNS now points to cache-1.wa.westnet.com.au. As [[m:XFF project]] says, you should now contact [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] directly. --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 17:44, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
== UseRequesting HTTP Codeshelp for Redirectscreating mockup of proposal ==
Hello all,
We ought to use HTTP codes for redirects (3xx) [http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html#sec10.3] because it creates a [[canonical URL]]. Why do we need a canonical URL?:
I recently proposed [[Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab)#This week's article for improvement|This Week's Article for Improvement]], a new feature for Wikipedia's front page. It would display [[Wikipedia:Articles for improvement]] in a manner similar to [[Wikipedia:Today's featured article]]. Reception seems to be positive. Here's a sampling of support:
# It is ''[[The Right Thing]]''
# It puts the [[PageRank]] of the aliases into the main article, thus giving the main article a good rank in web searches
# It improves cache-ing of articles at proxy servers
* "This is a step in the right direction" - User:Cremastra
''Someone support me please!'' --[[User:Masatran|Masatran]]
* "I think this is a good idea" - User:Danubeball
* "Definitely agree - now is the time to innovate and try new things" - User:Chaotic Enby
* "I agree with the above" - User:Sahaib
(In the interest of honesty, users like User:PerfectSoundWhatever and User:Rosguill are skeptical.)
:This has been discussed many times, and we can't do it. This would severely damage the functioning of the wiki by destroying the ability to follow back a redirect chain. In particular this change would be welcomed by disruptive vandals who wish to make it difficult to undo their insertion of bogus redirects. --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] 16:49, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
However, none of us are apparently adept enough at technical skills to create a proper mockup of the idea. Can someone help me create a proper template that can be used to illustrate this proposal and to implement it if it ever gets to that stage?
::Hello! I do not understand the methods discussed :
:*How to use HTTP for a redirect, and
:*How to follow back a redirect. Then why the ability to do this should be impaired. Is there an easy explanation, please ?
::Relax, Masatran, you have the bold support of the W3C. --[[User:Harvestman|DLL]] 21:56, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
[[User:Bremps/This week's article for improvement|Here]]'s my non-dynamic, hardcoded mockup. The new mockup must have '''a)''' parameters for the linked article, intro paragraph, and lead image, '''b)''' be formatted similarly to other main page templates. Once we get that down, we can create a mock queue system to demonstrate the idea to [[Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)]].
:::With HTTP redirects, the server asks the browser to fetch the resource at a new ___location. If that were done on Wikipedia, it would lose the line which says "(Redirected from [[Example]])" below the header (which links back to the redirect page), since the server would be unable to know the browser had been redirected when serving the second request (it would look identical to a non-redirected request). --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 22:18, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
'''Many thanks to all who help!''' [[User:Bremps|'''<span style="background:#000000; color:white; padding:2px;">Bremps</span>''']][[User talk:Bremps|'''<span style="color:grey;">...</span>''']] 16:29, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
::::Another problem with using HTTP redirects is firewalls that do not allow URL's with ".exe" in them can be bypassed because of the way wikipedia uses redirects. But, a bad thing that is always a hassle to me is if I wanted to get a URL, and I want the url that is not the redir, I have to press the "page" button again, and then copy the url --<font size="1" color="002bb8">[[User:GeorgeMoney|GeorgeMoney]] <sup>[[User_talk:GeorgeMoney|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/GeorgeMoney|C]]</sup></font> 22:30, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
:For a queue system, you could use something like [[Portal:Judaism/Weekly Torah portion]]. It does not look like a main page template, but it does do the job. The linked article, intro paragraph and lead image are on a subpage. For example <code><nowiki>|70 = {{Portal:Judaism/Weekly Torah portion/Acharei-Kedoshim}}</nowiki></code> shows the subpage of [[Portal:Judaism/Weekly Torah portion/Acharei-Kedoshim]] at the 70th week since the start of 2021. A copy of that template would be used and filled out for the 70th week like <code><nowiki>|70 = {{<subpage name>}}</nowiki></code> where <subpage name> is your suppage for that week. [[User:Snævar|Snævar]] ([[User talk:Snævar|talk]]) 18:26, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
:::::Why pressing the "page" button? Just right click on it and chose "Copy Link Location" (or something like "Copy Shortcut" on a certain popular browser). --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 01:47, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
==Discussion at [[:Template talk:Tooltip#Render this as parenthesized text when used in the mainspace|Template talk:Tooltip § Render this as parenthesized text when used in the mainspace]]==
::::::Sorry, I didn't mean copy the url, I meant if I want to create subpages. For example, if I follow a link to [[WP:UPH]], and I wanted to create a subpage just by adding the subpagename to the url, I would have to press the page button and then add /subpage. --<font size="1" color="002bb8">[[User:GeorgeMoney|GeorgeMoney]] <sup>[[User_talk:GeorgeMoney|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/GeorgeMoney|C]]</sup></font> 01:51, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
[[File:Symbol watching blue lashes high contrast.svg|25px|link=|alt=]] You are invited to join the discussion at [[:Template talk:Tooltip#Render this as parenthesized text when used in the mainspace|Template talk:Tooltip § Render this as parenthesized text when used in the mainspace]]. [[User:Sapphaline|Sapphaline]] ([[User talk:Sapphaline|talk]]) 21:21, 29 August 2025 (UTC)<!-- [[Template:Please see]] -->
== Can we consider blacklisting anything with a utm source (or other tracking parameter)? ==
::::Thanks to all! --[[User:Harvestman|DLL]] 20:16, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Got this idea after taking a look at [[WP:AISIGNS]] and seeing that more than 2000 links have a UTM source=chatgpt parameter.
:: To [[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]]: A browser extension [http://livehttpheaders.mozdev.org/] for [[Mozilla Firefox]] can show the HTTP redirects. --[[User:Masatran|Masatran]] 08:32, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
:::I'm well aware of this extension; I've been recommending it to people as a debugging tool for years. :) --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] 06:43, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
If we blacklist utm source, it may help prevent the addition of some AI generated content by spambots and the like.
== Dissapearing Images... ooooOOOo ==
Lightly tested regex: <code>.*(\?|\&)utm_source=.*</code>
[[Image:No flag.PNG|250px|left|thumb|flag not showing up]]
[[Image:Flag.PNG|250px|right|thumb|flag showing up fine now!]]
We can do an abuse filter if needed as well if we want to be less [[WP:BITE]]y. There isn't a legitimate reason to have utm_source in links. Affiliate marketers often use utm_source and similar tracking IDs to ensure who gets last click attribution for sales and advertising, and that is not something we want to encourage on Wikimedia projects. There already are some tracking URLs blocked such as bing (dot) com (slash) ck and youtube (dot) com (slash) url, those are on the global spam blacklist as they are just one of the ways spammers bypass our filters.
Well basically, with the templates ENGf and ENGf2 another user wanted to use a bordered version of the england flag, but me and another user kept reverting it back, as the flag wasn't showing up for some reason, now the image displayed fine at full size or any size including 19px and 21px, but did not show up when the code recquired it to be at 20px. Most annoyingly after looking at pictures of this for a long while, it has started showing up, almost nullifying the value of finding the answer to this question. However I am still curious.
We can maybe even give a separate message for those with utm_source= some AI chatbot like Copilot or ChatGPT or Gemini that shows that we are almost certain that an LLM was used. [[User:Awesome Aasim|Aasim]] ([[User_talk:Awesome Aasim|<ruby>話す<rp>（</rp><rt>はなす</rt><rp>）</rp></ruby>]]) 22:21, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
Also on a different point, when people say, maybe its your browser, do they mean, my type of browser, or specifically the program on my machine. [[User:Philc_0780|<font color="Green">Philc</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:Philc_0780|T]]</sub><sup>[[User:Philc 0780/Esperanza|E]]</sup><sub>[[Special:contributions/Philc_0780|C]]</sub><sup>[[User:Philc_0780/Improve me|I]]</sup> 23:21, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
:@[[User:Awesome Aasim|Awesome Aasim]] [[Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks/Archive_21#Tag_LLM_generated_stuff]] [[User:Polygnotus|Polygnotus]] ([[User talk:Polygnotus|talk]]) 04:03, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
:This is in fact a FAQ, and a problem in the server; as explained at the FAQ at the top of the page, the solution is to purge the images until the thumbnails get lucky and start working. I would also like to know the reason the server misbehaves that way. --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 01:43, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
== REST API endpoints ==
::The [https://wikitech.leuksman.com/view/Server_admin_log server admin log] says that ImageMagick was upgraded recently; perhaps it is related. ~[[User:Mdd4696 |MDD]][[User talk:Mdd4696 |46]][[Special:Contributions/Mdd4696 |96]] 20:19, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
What happened to my beloved [https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/ REST API endpoints]? All deprecated except Math? [[User:Polygnotus|Polygnotus]] ([[User talk:Polygnotus|talk]]) 04:00, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
:See [[Mediazilla:5463]]. The issue should now be fixed. (And as for your side note, they could mean either; literally they're suggesting problems with just the browser, but they could be talking about your computer generally too.) —[[User:Simetrical|Simetrical]] ([[User talk:Simetrical|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Simetrical|contribs]]) 02:50, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
:There are new REST APIs in core now. See [[:mw:API:REST API]]. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 04:04, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
{{clear}}
::@[[User:Izno|Izno]] Thank you! I missed them! [[User:Polygnotus|Polygnotus]] ([[User talk:Polygnotus|talk]]) 04:08, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
:Or you might be looking for https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/. – [[User:SD0001|<span style="font-weight: bold; color: #C30">SD0001</span>]] ([[User talk:SD0001|talk]]) 17:56, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
== Userfy ==
What does it mean to Userfy, please? [[User:BlueValour|BlueValour]] 02:33, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
:Most likely it means to move something to the User [[Wikipedia:Namespaces|namespace]], a page such as [[User:EXAMPLE]]. You most likely saw it on an [[WP:AFD|articles for deletion]] page. However, since you don't supply any context, I can't be sure that I gave you the correct explanation. [[User:Ingoolemo|Ingoolemo]] [[User_talk:Ingoolemo|<sup>talk</sup>]] 03:01, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
::It is mostly seen in [[WP:MFD|Miscellany for deletion]]. It means to move a page that doesn't meet the standards for a page in that namespace to a user subpage (most likely to a subpage of the user who created it). For example, let's say somebody made a page called [[Wikipedia:The contributions on this encyclopedia of Example User]]. To userfy it somebody would move it to [[User:Example User/My contributions to this encyclopedia]] --<font size="1" color="002bb8">[[User:GeorgeMoney|GeorgeMoney]] <sup>[[User_talk:GeorgeMoney|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/GeorgeMoney|C]]</sup></font> 03:23, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
:See [[Wikipedia:Glossary]]. --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 14:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
== Section editing edit summaries ==
When you do section editing, it gives a summary " → section - summary ", and the arrow links to page#section. That only works half of the time. Sometimes, if the section title has a link in it, the arrow would link to page#<nowiki>[[section_with_link]]</nowiki>, but that doesn't work. It should just link to page#section_with_link without the link, because that's how the TOC does it, and that's the only way for it to work. Also, if you link to a category or image in an edit summary, it shows the colon at the beginning. Even though you don't need the leading colon (for edit smmaries), sometimes section titles have it (for example if you had a section title that linked to a cat or img, it would show the ugly colon at the beginning of the link in the edit summary) --<font size="1" color="002bb8">[[User:GeorgeMoney|GeorgeMoney]] <sup>[[User_talk:GeorgeMoney|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/GeorgeMoney|C]]</sup></font> 03:17, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
:See [[Mediazilla:5019]] and its dependents. —[[User:Simetrical|Simetrical]] ([[User talk:Simetrical|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Simetrical|contribs]]) 03:10, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
== puddle path ==
<!-- 00:14, 24 June 2006 (UTC) -->
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i would like to present wikipedia with my new idea/ design of the above, would they be interested?
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== Editing toolbar does not appear in Opera, but appears in Firefox. ==
I am using Opera 8.5 on a Windows XP Home PC. The toolbar, which contains the buttons for common formatting such as bold text and links, does not appear when I am editing Wikipedia. I have tried editing a whole page, adding a new page, editing an existing section and adding a new section - all across several namespaces - and the toolbar does not appear in any of these cases.
I tried editing Wikipedia - both anonymously and using this account - using Mozilla Firefox 1.0.7. with Google Toolbar extension installed, as well as Adblock and SessionSaver. The toolbar did appear, and the buttons were fully functional. I have installed the NoScript extension, and it previously prevented the buttons from functioning, but the buttons are functioning properly now in Firefox.
I tried making Opera identify as Mozilla, but that did not help. The toolbar only disappeared a few days ago, around the time I noticed several changes to the MediaWiki software, including a warning about advertising. I will try to recreate this problem on another computer.
How can I get the toolbar to appear in Opera?
Thanks for your attention.
--[[User:Hildanknight|J.L.W.S. The Special One]] 08:58, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
:Hit F12 and make sure you have not disabled JavaScript. I'm using Opera myself and have not seen any problems with the edit toolbar. --[[User:Sherool|Sherool]] <span style="font-size:75%">[[User talk:Sherool|(talk)]]</span> 09:50, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
::Hello. Thanks for your quick reply. I just checked and JavaScript is enabled. I will try using Opera on another computer to pinpoint the problem. What version of Opera are you using? --[[User:Hildanknight|J.L.W.S. The Special One]] 10:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
:Opera 8.51 on Windows XP seems fine. What are the "changes to the MediaWiki software" you refer to? In particular there is no "warning about advertising" of any sort; perhaps there is some problem with your computer or a firewall application you are using? --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] 18:10, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
::Never mind. The edit toolbar appears to have come back. Perhaps it was a temporary problem with my cache or image rendering. --[[User:Hildanknight|J.L.W.S. The Special One]] 02:50, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
== Metrics. ==
Are there any metrics to determine the quality of a user's edits? The editcount tool leaves much to be desired, and I was wondering if there are any alternatives available. --[[User:Folajimi|Folajimi]] 17:49, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
: There's no quick fix, as quality is measured by different, sometimes conflicting, standards that are subjective and often impossible to measure. You can't use bytes uploaded, because some users may upload entire articles in one blow, and others may add hundreds of kilobytes of gibberish that must be deleted, to pick just one example. [[User:Titoxd|Tito]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]])</sup> 05:54, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
== Background image on a table ==
How can I create a table with a background image instead of a background color. The MediaWiki software is sanitizing my every attempt. --[[User:Jared W|Jared W]] 18:58, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
:That is by design. Images should not be placed (in wikicode) except with a valid <nowiki>[[Image:]]</nowiki> tag, so that the description of the image is the image's only link. You can edit your personal [[Special:Mypage/monobook.css|css]] to display them as backgrounds on specific class/ID tables, or try to convince the community of a wiki to add to the [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] (see [[MediaWiki_talk:Common.css]] for requests, but it is unlikely such a request would be adopted). --[[User:Splarka|Splarka]] ([[User_talk:Splarka|rant]]) 23:29, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
::Thank you. That at least allows me to setup some <nowiki><div> and <table></nowiki> backgrounds from my own MediaWiki project. --[[User:Jared W|Jared W]] 05:26, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Well, if you have full access to the install (in which case, why are you asking here ^_^), you could enable external images, or even remove the background-image attribute from the sanitizer ("whitelist" it, as it were) - I think you can do the same for <nowiki><a> and <img></nowiki> too. --[[User:Splarka|Splarka]] ([[User_talk:Splarka|rant]]) 10:29, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
== How do I locate and upload this image for use on Wikipedia? ==
I have located this image http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/2/23/Kraftwerk_Ekibastus.jpg of a power plant [[flue gas stack]] in Kazachstan which I would like to use in an article in the Wikipedia about flue gas stacks. How do I locate the image ... and then how do I upload it into the Wikipedia? - [[User:Mbeychok|mbeychok]] 19:35, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
*<nowiki>http://</nowiki>upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/<span style="color:red">de</span>/2/23/<span style="color:red">Kraftwerk_Ekibastus.jpg</span> ''<-- clues in red...''
*http://<span style="color:red">de</span>.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:<span style="color:red">Kraftwerk_Ekibastus.jpg</span> ''<-- ...reformed to link to image desc''
*'''or:''' <nowiki>[[:</nowiki><span style="color:red">de</span>:Image:<span style="color:red">Kraftwerk_Ekibastus.jpg</span><nowiki>]]</nowiki> ''<-- wikilink code...''
*[[:de:Image:Kraftwerk_Ekibastus.jpg]] ''<-- ...produces a wikilink to it''
:--[[User:Splarka|Splarka]] ([[User_talk:Splarka|rant]]) 23:37, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
::Sorry, that is just how to *locate* it. To upload: [[Special:Upload]]. See [[Wikipedia:Image_use_policy|image use policy]] and [[Wikipedia:Uploading_images|how to upload]] for uploading. --[[User:Splarka|Splarka]] ([[User_talk:Splarka|rant]]) 23:40, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
:It has now been uploaded to [[commons:Image:Kraftwerk Ekibastus.jpg]], just FYI, so you can use it normally. —[[User:Simetrical|Simetrical]] ([[User talk:Simetrical|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Simetrical|contribs]]) 04:06, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
== Forced Save ==
Ever since the [[2006 FIFA World Cup]] began, I've been forced to go through so many edit conflicts when editing that page. I think that for extra-frustrated people who can never get their version in, there should be "force save" button to paste in their version no matter what. However, since two people might both press "force save", causing another conflict, then perhaps make the "forced save" option available to only those who have gone through at least three edit conflicts. How's this idea sound? -- [[User:King of Hearts|King of]] [[User:King of Hearts|<font color="red">♥</font>]] [[User talk:King of Hearts|<font color="red">♦</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/King of Hearts|<font color="black">♣</font>]] [[Special:Emailuser/King of Hearts|<font color="black">♠</font>]] 21:17, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah. I really get tired of having to go through multiple edit conflicts when I just want to save. Because of this, sometimes I edit in a hurry to not get into edit conflicts, and sometimes make mistakes. --<font size="1" color="002bb8">[[User:GeorgeMoney|GeorgeMoney]] <sup>[[User_talk:GeorgeMoney|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/GeorgeMoney|C]]</sup></font> 21:58, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Crap, to be frank. The whole point of an edit conflict is to ensure that stuff doesn't get overwritten and lost. Allowing people to force their version through could result in a lot of harm on pages with a high edit volume. '''[[User:Robchurch|robchurch]]''' | [[User_talk:Robchurch|talk]] 15:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
I created some "In Use" templates more than two years ago — November of 2003 — to take care of just this issue, so that you could save a page with a flag to ask people to give you a short period of time - say 5 minutes to 1/2 an hour - to make a change and not cause a conflict. Some people have even improved on them to make the message work better. There are two forms, '''<nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:inuse|Inuse]]|5 minutes}}''' or '''<nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:Inuse|Inuse]]|5 minutes}}''' or '''<nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:inuse|Inuse]]||for=|until 3:20 PM EDT 6/26}}''' in which case you get either of the following:
:5 Minutes: {{Inuse|5 Minutes}}
:Until 3:20: {{Inuse||for=|until 3:20 PM EDT 6/26}}
Save the page first with this message, then re-edit. Make the changes, and, of course, remove this template reference when you re-save.
[[User:Rfc1394|Paul Robinson (Rfc1394)]] 19:03, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
:Some users (incl me) won't know what EDT is. UTC might be slightly better, but is there a better way? The 5 minute one is fine, except without checking the history page I don't know whether it was posted 1 minute ago, or 4 minutes, or 3 days. (btw, although I'm nitpicking, I do think it's a good idea).
:It might be worth adding - you can do draft edits in a text editor.
:And when editing the introduction section, it's possible to edit just the section (which should reduce the chance of an edit conflict) - just click on the [edit] link for any other section, then go to the url and change the number on the end to '''0''', so it reads <tt>section=0</tt> --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Singkong2005|t]] - [[Special:Contributions/Singkong2005|c]] - [[Wikipedia:WikiProject International development|WPID]])</small></sup> 14:09, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
==National football team kit==
Am I the only one seeing the Portuguese national kit in white, green and grey? Can someone fix it please? (I work with Internet Explorer, maybe it's something that doesn't happen with Firefox). [[User:Joaopais|Joaopais]] 23:41, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
:Can you provide any type of link whatsoever to the problem? --[[User:Splarka|Splarka]] ([[User_talk:Splarka|rant]]) 23:59, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
::Sorry, I forgot. It's [[Portugal national football team|here]]. Thanks. [[User:Joaopais|Joaopais]] 03:22, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
:::I suggest you ask at [[Template talk:Football kit]]. It uses various transparencies and so on that may not always display correctly in all browsers. —[[User:Simetrical|Simetrical]] ([[User talk:Simetrical|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Simetrical|contribs]]) 03:48, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
== Wiki's search engine ==
I recently made a search (in Wikipedia) for [[acaraje]]. No results turned up, so I made the page that I linked to in the previous sentence. However. When I, through other articles, find an article named [[acarajé]], I'm baffled.
How come the search engine didn't pick up on the word without the accent?
This must be a major flaw, as most people (I think) do not always use accents in searches.
--[[User:Qwerty qwerty|Qwerty qwerty]] 03:06, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
:Generealy we work around this problem by useing redirects.[[User:Geni|Geni]] 03:15, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, but the question is how long before someone discovers the problem with every single article that is affected, and then actually redirects the page. It would be better to change the search engine, wouldn't it? --[[User:Qwerty qwerty|Qwerty qwerty]] 03:21, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
:See also [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28perennial_proposals%29#Better_search_feature]].-[[User talk:gadfium|gadfium]] 03:35, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
:and another thing thats annying, is if you search for something, and it comes up with a major article which you dont want, I find then next 100 or so hits after than are redirects to that page. [[User:Philc_0780|<font color="Green">Philc</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:Philc_0780|T]]</sub><sup>[[User:Philc 0780/Esperanza|E]]</sup><sub>[[Special:contributions/Philc_0780|C]]</sub><sup>[[User:Philc_0780/Improve me|I]]</sup> 23:57, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
==AutoWikiBrowser requests are piling up...==
There are at least 4 days' worth of sign-ups on there, of users who have requested to be approved for use of this special editor. This requires the attention of an admin. Here's the link: [[Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPage]]<br><br>--[[User:Transhumanist|Transhumanist]] 08:41, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
:In the future, admins might be more readily reached at [[WP:AN]]. —[[User:Simetrical|Simetrical]] ([[User talk:Simetrical|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Simetrical|contribs]]) 03:49, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
== SVG not working ==
I've made an SVG at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Information_icon.svg Image:Information_icon.svg] which displays in Opera and Adobe Illustrator, but Wikipedia can't seem to convert it to a PNG. Any ideas? [[User:El T|El T]] 12:57, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
:There have been problems with this recently. Try thumbnails of various sizes - small sizes seem to work more often. It might also be that the renderer Wikipedia is configured to use doesn't support some of the stuff used in your SVG. [[User:Deco|Deco]] 13:48, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
:I tried purging the cache and that seems to have fixed it. — [[User:Ian Moody|Ian Moody]] <sup>([[User talk:Ian Moody|talk]])</sup> 13:49, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
::I think I've finally got this problem resolved. If you see similar files blanking, purge them -- it ''should'' be the last time you have to. --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] 05:24, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
== ASCII ==
How can I get a table to appear is ASCII, i thinks thats the correct term,
like this basically
as when you put a space infront of it nothing happens.
{| class="wikitable"
|-
!Nothing!!hehe
|-
|...||...
|-
|}
so is there some sort of thingy in the triangle brackets I can put in to make it so this. [[User:Philc_0780|<font color="Green">Philc</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:Philc_0780|T]]</sub><sup>[[User:Philc 0780/Esperanza|E]]</sup><sub>[[Special:contributions/Philc_0780|C]]</sub><sup>[[User:Philc_0780/Improve me|I]]</sup> 14:34, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
:You probably want <nowiki><pre>...</pre></nowiki>:
<blockquote><pre>{| class="wikitable"
|-
!Nothing!!hehe
|-
|...||...
|-
|}</pre></blockquote>
:[[User:Alerante|æ]][[Special:Emailuser/Alerante|²]] <small>[[User talk:Alerante|✆]] '''2006-06-24'''''t'''''14:52'''''z''</small>
::Cheers [[User:Philc_0780|<font color="Green">Philc</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:Philc_0780|T]]</sub><sup>[[User:Philc 0780/Esperanza|E]]</sup><sub>[[Special:contributions/Philc_0780|C]]</sub><sup>[[User:Philc_0780/Improve me|I]]</sup> 17:36, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
== Search engine indexing of talk pages ==
I was having a look at whether linkspam is an issue on talk pages and noticed the following things:
#External links on talk pages are marked with "rel=nofollow".
#Google does indexes very few "Talk" pages, but does index "User Talk" and "Wikipedia Talk" pages, as witnessed by the query [http://www.google.com/search?q=site:en.wikipedia.org+talk+utc+-user+-template talk utc -user -template], or a direct search for a heavily discussed page: [http://www.google.com/search?q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:George_W._Bush Talk:George_W._Bush].
#Yahoo does index article talk pages: [http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=site%3Aen.wikipedia.org+talk+-user talk -user]
#The robots file [http://en.wikipedia.org/robots.txt robots.txt] does not exclude talk pages
#The links from article pages to talk pages are not marked with 'rel="nofollow"'.
Number 1 is a good thing, but I don't understand number 2 in view of 3--5. Is there anyone with a clue? My hunch is that Google gives a very low priority to pages that are only linked to from one other page (i.e. from the accompanying article page), while user talk pages are typically linked to from many other user talk pages through the signatures.
[[User:Hankwang|Han-Kwang]] 17:32, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
:I believe our SiteMap specifies lower priority for talk pages. --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] 17:37, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
== Does MediaWiki allow direct editing of history pages? ==
Not that I think it's a good idea for Wikipedia, but I'm wondering if my memory is failing. I used to be involved in another project that used the MediaWiki software and I swear I remember the ability to directly edit history pages, such as adding a forgotten edit summary. I don't think it was a local modification because we rarely used edit summaries and I doubt anyone would have gone out of their way to add this feature. I don't want to go install and configure the software just to satisfy my curiosity. Am I losing my mind? [[User:Opabinia regalis|Opabinia regalis]] 17:35, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
:No. --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] 17:36, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
::Rather, yes, you ''are'' losing your mind. ;) We don't have such a feature. Under limited circumstances entries may be ''removed'' from the history, but they may not be altered in any way. --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] 17:36, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Well dammit, I just lost a bet then. Thanks. [[User:Opabinia regalis|Opabinia regalis]] 18:47, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
== Substing templates ==
Can I create a template that automatically substitutes itself, without having to use <tt>subst:</tt>? [[User:Ikiroid|The ikiroid]] ([[User talk:Ikiroid|talk]]·[[User:Ikiroid/Desk|desk]]·[[User talk:Ikiroid/Help Me Improve|Advise me]]) 21:12, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
:No. How would it? Without <tt>subst:</tt> the template is not even called until the page is loaded, so nothing happens on save. --[[User:Splarka|Splarka]] ([[User_talk:Splarka|rant]]) 00:02, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
::Poo. That'll make things difficult.--[[User:Ikiroid|The ikiroid]] ([[User talk:Ikiroid|talk]]·[[User:Ikiroid/Desk|desk]]·[[User talk:Ikiroid/Help Me Improve|Advise me]]) 14:58, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
== userpage accidentally in article space, very subtle ==
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E2%80%8EUser:AnnaKucsma/Geography/France (the extra characters before "user" are only visible in URL) and [[Talk:User:AnnaKucsma/Geography/France]]. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 23:44, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
:looks like a candidate for [[WP:MFD]]. <small><i><font color="#990000">[[User:BL Lacertae|BL Lacertae]]</font> - <font color="#555555">[[User talk:BL Lacertae|kiss the lizard]]</font></i></small> 00:02, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
::This could easily become a slippery slope... How would you address [[User:Vaelor/Fifth Dimension Computing|this]]? --[[User:Folajimi|Folajimi]] 00:20, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
:::no need its ok where it is. but the AnnaKucsma needs userfying which is done via MFD. it doesnt automatically mean deletion. <small><i><font color="#990000">[[User:BL Lacertae|BL Lacertae]]</font> - <font color="#555555">[[User talk:BL Lacertae|kiss the lizard]]</font></i></small> 00:42, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I went ahead and just moved it to where it was obviously intended to go. I just wasn't sure it would work properly. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 00:23, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
== Determining a page's popularity ==
Is there a way to look at a certain page's stats, like how many times it has been viewed, and how regularly, etc...? [[User:Pacian|Pacian]] 23:51, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
:Basically, no, but for a slightly more complete answer please see [[Wikipedia:Technical FAQ#Can I add a page hit counter to a Wikipedia page?]]. -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 00:00, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
== MediaWiki:Tog-shownumberswatching ==
Hi. Does anybody knows which pages are using the [[MediaWiki:Tog-shownumberswatching]] message? [[User:Borgx|<font face="Copperplate Gothic Bold" color="#1F85FF">borgx</font>]] <sup>([[User_talk:Borgx|<font color="#003366">talk</font>]])</sup> 03:03, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
:It's switched off on Wikimedia wikis, but normally, the numbers would show up in changes lists and under the "page last edited"/page view counters at the bottom. '''[[User:Robchurch|robchurch]]''' | [[User_talk:Robchurch|talk]] 03:24, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
==Categories==
Is there some method that can be used to change one instance of a category to another - my specific example - I'd like to change all instances of "Category:Live-bearers" to a new category "Category:Ovoviviparous fish" - is this possible to automate? Thanks[[User:HappyVR|HappyVR]] 14:44, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
:Yes, you can request renaming at [[WP:CFD|CFD]], they have some bots which can do all the work automatically. --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 15:47, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
== Sections ==
Is there a way to insert section headings in tables, such as at the page [[Harry Potter cast]]? It would be much more convenient on that page to edit only the section of the type of cast rather than going to the top of the page. I'm pretty sure I've seen this done before, but I don't remember where or know how. Thanks. --'''[[User:Fbv65edel|Fbv]]'''[[User:Fbv65edel|65]]''<font color="green">[[User:Fbv65edel/Esperanza|e]]</font>[[User:Fbv65edel|del]]'' / [[User_talk:Fbv65edel|☑t]] / [[Special:Contributions/Fbv65edel|☛c]] || 17:43, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
: Is the change I just made to that article what you had in mind? --[[User:IMeowbot|iMeowbot]]~[[User talk:IMeowbot|Meow]] 18:31, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
:: It is. Thank you. I could have sworn I did the same thing myself, to no avail… hmm… LOL. :-D Thanks again. --'''[[User:Fbv65edel|Fbv]]'''[[User:Fbv65edel|65]]''<font color="green">[[User:Fbv65edel/Esperanza|e]]</font>[[User:Fbv65edel|del]]'' / [[User_talk:Fbv65edel|☑t]] / [[Special:Contributions/Fbv65edel|☛c]] || 20:19, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
::: The links won't show up in a preview, so you can have it exactly right and it will still look wrong. --[[User:IMeowbot|iMeowbot]]~[[User talk:IMeowbot|Meow]] 13:13, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
== More detailed article statistics suggested ==
Not really sure if to post this in BugZilla as a feature request or here, but I'll put it here as it is more visible.
In a quite detailed essay about Wikipedia titled ''[http://chnm.gmu.edu/resources/essays/d/42 Can History be Open Source? Wikipedia and the Future of the Past]'' (good read, by the way), Roy Rosenzweig, director of the Center for History and New Media in [[George Mason University]], suggests:
:{{cquote|''Indeed, simply taking information buried on the “History” page and making it more public would enhance Wikipedia—for example, the “Article” page might say, “This article has been edited 350 times since it was created on May 5, 2002, including 30 times in the past week.” It could even add that “very active Wikipedians” (those with more than one hundred edits this month) contributed 52 percent of those edits.''}}
Currently, [[MediaWiki:Lastmodified]] has room for one variable, it being the last modification date. How feasible would it be for the article creation date to be there, as well as the number of revisions in a page, and the number of revisions in a given time period? The suggestion sounded like a [[good thing]], but I can't find in the [[:m:Database layout|Database layout]] whether it is possible without running expensive queries on each page view. Would it require db schema changes, or I'm just not looking at the right place? Should it be something we do anyways? Comments? Applause? Angry lynch mobs? [[User:Titoxd|Tito]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]])</sup> 18:34, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
:I think this is an excellent idea, and one that might go a long way towards increasing transparency and confidence for the reader who doesn't know our inner workings. If it's not possible now, perhaps it can be added to the database in the future. — [[User:CatherineMunro|Catherine]]\<sup>[[User_talk:CatherineMunro|talk]]</sup> 13:02, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
::Nice idea. --[[User:Harvestman|DLL]] 20:47, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
::: As it seems it is a good idea, and other editors agree, can it be done? I personally think that it could be done by adding a char(14) <tt>page_creation</tt> field to the [[:m:Page table|Page table]], defaulting pages to blank and filling it by invalidating the page's cache, and filling the value on the first page view with the first edit's <tt>rev_timestamp</tt> value. The number of edits in history is available at [[Special:Mostrevisions]], but I don't know how expensive it is to generate that data. As for the number of edits within a week and the number of active Wikipedians, I have no clue how to actually do it. Is it feasible? [[User:Titoxd|Tito]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]])</sup> 03:56, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
== Side-by-side sidebars ==
In [[English verbs]], the {{tl|Grammar series}} sidebar was just added after the {{tl|IPA notice}} sidebar. Rather than being stacked, the two sidebars appear side by side, pinching the top of the article. (In preview only) I tried inserting {{tl|clearright}} between them with no difference on my browser (IE6). I also tried enclosing the second sidebar in a div tag with style="float:right;clear:right"; that stacked them, but the top of the article was still pinched adjacent to the second sidebar. What's the solution. --[[User:TEB728|teb728]] 19:42, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
: Pushing one of the two a bit lower, which I've done now. [[User:Titoxd|Tito]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]])</sup> 19:52, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
::Or, enclosing them in a table (feel free to revert to the other version). -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 20:00, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
:::But I think a better way would be to add a "clear:right" to the 'Grammar series' template since it is unlikely you would ever want it to be side-by-side with any other template. —[[User:Moverton|Mike]] 00:21, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
== Table colors ==
Is this possible? I would like to make a table like the ones at [[Utah-BYU rivalry#Results]] or [[Army-Navy#By_year]] where the row is colored by the winner of the event. Currently, the way this is done is by specifying the bgcolor for each individual row.
What I really would like to do is have something like this ...
<pre>{{start game list|Align=right|HeaderColor=c0c0c0|Year=1|City=1|Winner=1}}
{{Sports game|Year=1940|City=[[Akron, Ohio|Akron]]|Winner=Youngstown State|Score=13-0}}
{{Sports game|Year=1941|City=[[Youngstown, Ohio|Youngstown]]|Winner=Youngstown State|Score=19-0}}
|}</pre>
... where the row could infer its color from the name of the winner and {{tl|start game list}} could define the colors for the teams involved. Is such a thing possible? [[User:BigDT|BigDT]] 19:58, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
:I don't think there's a way to set the color in one template and use it in another, but you could use [[m:ParserFunctions]] (specifically <code>ifeq</code>) in [[template:Sports game]] to select a color, or define another template that selects the color given the winning team. -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 20:22, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
I added the parsing functions ... unfortunately, you're right, it doesn't inherit the variables from template to template. I can only get it to work if I specify the teams and colors on every row (as I do in the last two). It won't inherit the variables from the parent template (as I attempt in the first two).
<pre>{{User:BigDT/Sandbox2|Align=left|HeaderColor=c0c0c0|Year=1|City=1|Winner=1|TeamA=Hokies|TeamB=Wahoos|TeamAColor=maroon|TeamBColor=orange|Games=
{{User:BigDT/Sandbox3|Year=1941|City=[[Youngstown, Ohio|Youngstown]]|Winner=Wahoos|Score=19-0}}
{{User:BigDT/Sandbox3|Year=1942|City=[[Youngstown, Ohio|Youngstown]]|Winner=Hokies|Score=19-0}}
{{User:BigDT/Sandbox3|Year=1943|City=[[Akron, Ohio|Akron]]|Winner=Hokies|Score=13-0|TeamA=Wahoos|TeamB=Wahoos|TeamAColor=maroon|TeamBColor=orange}}
{{User:BigDT/Sandbox3|Year=1944|City=[[Akron, Ohio|Akron]]|Winner=Hokies|Score=13-0|TeamA=Hokies|TeamB=Wahoos|TeamAColor=maroon|TeamBColor=orange}}
}}</pre>
{{User:BigDT/Sandbox2|Align=left|HeaderColor=c0c0c0|Year=1|City=1|Winner=1|TeamA=Hokies|TeamB=Wahoos|TeamAColor=maroon|TeamBColor=orange|Games=
{{User:BigDT/Sandbox3|Year=1941|City=[[Youngstown, Ohio|Youngstown]]|Winner=Wahoos|Score=19-0}}
{{User:BigDT/Sandbox3|Year=1942|City=[[Youngstown, Ohio|Youngstown]]|Winner=Hokies|Score=19-0}}
{{User:BigDT/Sandbox3|Year=1943|City=[[Akron, Ohio|Akron]]|Winner=Wahoos|Score=13-0|TeamA=Hokies|TeamB=Wahoos|TeamAColor=maroon|TeamBColor=orange}}
{{User:BigDT/Sandbox3|Year=1944|City=[[Akron, Ohio|Akron]]|Winner=Hokies|Score=13-0|TeamA=Hokies|TeamB=Wahoos|TeamAColor=maroon|TeamBColor=orange}}
}}
<br clear="all" />
Any ideas from here? Another thing that would work is if there were some kind of iterative function ... for example, if I could have Year1, City1, Winner1, Score1, Year2, City2, Winner2, Score2, etc. That wouldn't be a spectacular solution, though, because of the nightmare of what happens if you have 100 games in the series and you leave out the second one ... oops ... any thoughts? [[User:BigDT|BigDT]] 20:53, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
:You can indirect the color selection through another template, see for example:
<pre>{{User:BigDT/Sandbox2|Align=left|HeaderColor=c0c0c0|Year=1|City=1|Winner=1|TeamA=Hokies|TeamB=Wahoos|TeamAColor=maroon|TeamBColor=orange|Games=
{{User:Rick Block/Sandbox3|Year=1941|City=[[Youngstown, Ohio|Youngstown]]|Winner=Wahoos|Score=19-0}}
{{User:Rick Block/Sandbox3|Year=1942|City=[[Youngstown, Ohio|Youngstown]]|Winner=Hokies|Score=19-0}}
{{User:Rick Block/Sandbox3|Year=1943|City=[[Akron, Ohio|Akron]]|Winner=Wahoos|Score=13-0}}
{{User:Rick Block/Sandbox3|Year=1944|City=[[Akron, Ohio|Akron]]|Winner=Hokies|Score=13-0}}
}}</pre>
{{User:BigDT/Sandbox2|Align=left|HeaderColor=c0c0c0|Year=1|City=1|Winner=1|TeamA=Hokies|TeamB=Wahoos|TeamAColor=maroon|TeamBColor=orange|Games=
{{User:Rick Block/Sandbox3|Year=1941|City=[[Youngstown, Ohio|Youngstown]]|Winner=Wahoos|Score=19-0}}
{{User:Rick Block/Sandbox3|Year=1942|City=[[Youngstown, Ohio|Youngstown]]|Winner=Hokies|Score=19-0}}
{{User:Rick Block/Sandbox3|Year=1943|City=[[Akron, Ohio|Akron]]|Winner=Wahoos|Score=13-0}}
{{User:Rick Block/Sandbox3|Year=1944|City=[[Akron, Ohio|Akron]]|Winner=Hokies|Score=13-0}}
}}
<br clear="all" />
:Seems like this might be closer to what you're looking for. -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 23:28, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Yeah ... I thought about that, but then there has to be an extra template every time the table is used ... [[User:BigDT|BigDT]] 23:54, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
*Please note that, in the tables above, some rows are now very difficult to read on some browsers. I had to open this section in an edit window to see what was written on the dark maroon bars. You might want to use paler forms of the colours rather than "full strength". [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 04:51, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Yeah ... the colors were as an example. (Orange and maroon are Virginia Tech's colors.) The problem I was hoping to solve was a way of making the colors generic (meaning, to not have to specify them for every single row) without using a child template (which would necessitate a template for every page using the table, negating the usefulness).
Any other ideas? Or is it just not possible?[[User:BigDT|BigDT]] 14:31, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
== Black image ==
For some reason, [[:Image:Binary tree (letters).png]] appears to simply be a black box to me. Is this a browser issue? (I am using IE6). I have not noticed issues with any other .png files. I don't really mind that I can't see it, but I suspect that it might be a problem that others could have as well. Thanks!--[[User:GregRM|GregRM]] 00:48, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
* It's an IE thing. It looks fine for me in Firefox, but I see the same black box you do in IE. I brought up this problem a month or so ago with respect to another picture. Go [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29&oldid=57807847#Background_colors_for_svg_images here] and look at "Background colors for svg images". The solution for that image was to remove the corrupt local version of the image (there was a commons version that didn't have the problem). I know that this situation doesn't particularly help solve your problem, but it at least tells you it's an IE thing. [[User:BigDT|BigDT]] 01:01, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
** By the way, as a workaround, if you make the image any size other than the natural size, that forces Wikipedia to generate a temporary copy of it. I have set the image to 231 px so now it displays in IE. That's a workaround, though - I don't have a clue how to fix the underlying problem. [[User:BigDT|BigDT]] 01:09, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
::I have created a duplicate jpg file [[:Image:Binary tree (letters)2.jpg]], which should work fine in IE. --[[User:GeorgeMoney|GeorgeMoney]] <sup>([[User talk:GeorgeMoney|talk]]) ([[User:GeorgeMoney/Help Me Improve|Help Me Improve!]])</sup> 01:10, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Thanks BigDT and GeorgeMoney. The 231 px modification seemed to fix the problem in the article, although as would be expected from BigDT's explanation for the workaround, it still displays as a black box on the image description page. Of course, GeorgeMoney's jpg version appears fine on the image description page. Thanks again to both of you.--[[User:GregRM|GregRM]] 01:22, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
:The reason for the problem is that an alpha channel was used instead of transparency. This is unnecessary; someone should edit it to change it. (Saving it as a JPEG isn't a good solution.) I'll do it if no one else does, but tonight I don't really have time. —[[User:Simetrical|Simetrical]] ([[User talk:Simetrical|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Simetrical|contribs]]) 03:56, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
I've [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Binary_tree_%28letters%29.png?action=purge purged] the thumbnail cache for the image. The 230px version looks fine in IE now. —[[User:Ilmari Karonen|Ilmari Karonen]] <small>([[User talk:Ilmari Karonen|talk]])</small> 12:05, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
== Speedy Delete deleted ==
A 'Speedy Delete' box on an article has been removed by the creator - what should I do next? [[User:BlueValour|BlueValour]] 01:49, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
:OK, I tried a second time and the article has now gone. But, for future reference, a pointer to the procedure would help. [[User:BlueValour|BlueValour]] 02:01, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
::[[Template:Drmspeedy]] (and several stronger versions) are appropriate in this circumstance. There's a list of these templates at [[Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace]]. -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 02:20, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Great, thanks. [[User:BlueValour|BlueValour]] 02:31, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
== alignment ==
Hi, my question is how to use the align paremeter when grouping user boxes using <nowiki> {{useboxtop}} {{userbox}} {{userboxbottom}}</nowiki>(just right/ left isn't good enough).[[User:Tal642|Tal :)]] 11:49, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
All content is far from being accessable in the most efficient form. Even for direct human consumption the information could use more rigid and meaningful markup. More over for the use in automation and to be of true use to a modern individual the information needs to be easily useable by the simplest of programs possible. That means the actual data needs to be stored seperate from it's presentation wherever possible and there needs to be far more defined and enforced structure to the information. Even more the raw data needs to be accessable to anyone and everyone by allowing the entire (including all revisions, posters, etc) knowledgebase to be obtained and kept in sync. This also needs to be done in such a way that the most simple of programs possible is capable of doing it. A modern source of knowledge can't simply be a novel new way of obtaining and publishing information, it needs to be formated and published in a modern format.
== Don't repeat yourself / MediaWiki ==
I'm not really sure where to get started on this, so I guess I'll start here. I've contributed to Wikipedia for about a year, but more and more I'm finding that it's suboptimal for storing certain kinds of information. I've documented one concrete example of what I mean at [[Don't repeat yourself]] and have some other musings at [[User:PhilipR#Content_versus_presentation]].
I'm sure that if MediaWiki doesn't currently have a module for conventional row-and-column kind of data -- and yes, i realize that even Wikipedia as we know it still has an RDBMS backend -- that something like that could be created. In my view this sort of thing would enhance Wikipedia immensely.
How would I go about suggesting this, if such an initiative doesn't yet exist? Cheers, [[User:PhilipR|PhilipR]] 19:17, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
: You mean [[Help:templates|templates]]? They do exist. [[User:Titoxd|Tito]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]])</sup> 20:32, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
::No, I'm well aware of templates. In that regard [[Talk:2006 FIFA World Cup (squads)#Consistency|one of the discussions]] about possibly setting up a template for each squads list, and why that discussion didn't seem to attain consensus, might be instructive. Even if that proposal had been adopted, it doesn't answer all my points -- for example, you can't sort a squad list by different fields just because it's templated. In general, it doesn't seem that one template for each bit of information (for example, templating Draman's name because we haven't yet resolved whether it's Draman or Dramani -- see my example <s>on [[don't repeat yourself]]</s> at [[User:PhilipR#Draman]]) is the right way to do things. - [[User:PhilipR|PhilipR]] 20:59, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
:Perhaps the question to ask is: If PhilipR is right that Wikipedia has an RDBMS backend, do (or should) editors have access to it? --[[User:TEB728|teb728]] 22:31, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
::Well, plainly there are some things in the DB that editor-users ''shouldn't'' be accessing, like changing the history of a page. But that's a helpful starting point -- I'm envisioning that, for example, we might have a "virtual table" where the data in the table can get edited with the same audit trail that presently happens when someone edits an article. Only it's not a textual article -- it's just data, that can be presented a million ways in textual articles.
::Simple example: suppose there were a "person" table with personal name, family name, date of birth, date of death, etc. etc. Then each time the person's name gets changed, that change propagates to all articles that use that name (that's the enhancement from the present setup). Another table might be "football scores"; another might be "Presidents of Brazil". I'm just blue-sky dreaming here; if necessary I can work harder to give a good example of what I'm envisioning. - [[User:PhilipR|PhilipR]] 22:53, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
One word. [[m:Wikidata|Wikidata]]. OK, a bit more than that. :) There's been discussion relating to this for a long time, but as far as I know, no particular time schedule for making it all happen. '''[[User:Robchurch|robchurch]]''' | [[User_talk:Robchurch|talk]] 23:04, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks Rob, I figured someone else had probably been thinking about this problem, but had no clue where to turn. Now I do. - [[User:PhilipR|PhilipR]] 23:30, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
== Importing dumps from meta ==
I recently downloaded a xml dump of Meta. I tried uploading it to my localhost wiki, running the same version, and when i try to upload it, it says something like "import source unknown". I have tried using the maintenance script, but it still has the same error. Is there something that I need to do prior to importing it, or is there a way to fix this error? Thanks, '''[[User:Shardsofmetal|Shardsofmetal]]''' <sup>[ [[User talk:Shardsofmetal|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shardsofmetal|Contribs]] ]</sup> 19:38, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
== Interest boxes ==
Is there a resource anywhere, please, for the interest boxes that folks put on their User page? [[User:BlueValour|BlueValour]] 22:37, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
:[[Wikipedia:Userboxes]]? '''[[User:Robchurch|robchurch]]''' | [[User_talk:Robchurch|talk]] 23:02, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
::Ah, just the job, thanks. [[User:BlueValour|BlueValour]] 23:43, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
== Peterborough ==
Hi
Just wondered what happened to the [[Peterborough]] entry - it is missing, the page does not load in properly.
It worked fine on sunday and I have not done anything to my browser, the rest of the site works fine.
Cheers {{unsigned|86.139.100.202|19:59, 26 June 2006}}
:Looks fine here. --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] 00:27, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
==Question about [[Special:Shortpages]]==
Shortpages, Ancientpages, etc. - how are they run? The schedule seems to be erratic, now once in 3-4 days. Can they be put on a schedule? Once daily, perhaps? If not so frequently, at least on a known schedule. Thanks. - <b>[[User:Crzrussian|CrazyRussian]]</b><small> [[User_talk:Crzrussian|talk]]/[[Special:Emailuser/Crzrussian|email]]</small> 01:52, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
:They're run on a regular schedule, twice a week. By amazing coincidence, this comes out to once every 3 or 4 days. --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] 03:33, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
::Ouch. Used to be longer. Thanks for biting my behind anyway - keeps me honest. - <b>[[User:Crzrussian|CrazyRussian]]</b><small> [[User_talk:Crzrussian|talk]]/[[Special:Emailuser/Crzrussian|email]]</small> 05:20, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
== Secure server interprets wikimarkup differently? ==
[[User talk:Phaedriel]] appears differently on the secure.wikimedia.org server - everything after [[User:Joshbuddy|Joshbuddy]]'s signature at the bottom of [[User talk:Phaedriel#Asimov|section 65]] ("Asimov") is struck out, at least according to K-Meleon on Windows XP. After Phaedriel's signature at the start of [[User talk:Phaedriel#Overwhelmed|section 90.1]], everything becomes struck through and red. Accessing the page via en.wikipedia.org, everything looks normal. [[User:Kimchi.sg|Kimchi.sg]] 01:57, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
:Fixed. Looks like a bad sig, though, hope it's not current! --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] 03:37, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
== Highrisk templates ==
Admins protected highrisk templates because editing those templates could cause DOS and highload servers. My question is: since Wikimedia servers also handles other Wikipedia projects (is this correct?), can somebody make this kind of problem (dos/highload/outage) on en.wikipedia by changing other Wikipedia projects unprotected highrisk templates? or viceversa. sorry for bad english. :) [[User:Borgx|<font face="Copperplate Gothic Bold" color="#1F85FF">borgx</font>]] <sup>([[User_talk:Borgx|<font color="#003366">talk</font>]])</sup> 03:55, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
:As interwiki transclusions are not enabled, that shouldn't be possible (unless a high-risk template somewhere is automatically periodically propagated by bots (copied) from a central ___location to other projects or languages and is vandalized moments before such a copy, but that doesn't seem very likely). --[[User:Splarka|Splarka]] ([[User_talk:Splarka|rant]]) 07:35, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
:Last time it happened (a high-risk template on en: was edited in one of the worst possible ways), IIRC the whole cluster went offline. However, that specific case shouldn't happen again, since the software and the server configuration were changed to avoid it. --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 14:38, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
::I believe the issue you're referring to was replacing a template with megabytes of text. That should be impossible now, thankfully. —[[User:Simetrical|Simetrical]] ([[User talk:Simetrical|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Simetrical|contribs]]) 04:44, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
:::No, it's not; it was removing an image from a template. {{tl|Album}}, if you want to look at the history. The fix was some changes in the way the job queue runs. --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 18:46, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
:In general, DOS is not a concern with high-use templates at the current time, to my knowledge. The templates are mainly protected because you don't want a vandal inserting penis images into 200,000 articles at once. On other, smaller wikis, DOS certainly isn't an issue, because templates aren't used enough times to be an issue. —[[User:Simetrical|Simetrical]] ([[User talk:Simetrical|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Simetrical|contribs]]) 04:44, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
== [[Special:Namespaces]] ==
Is the introduction of pseudo namespace [[Special:Prefixindex/C:|C:]] in addition to [[Special:Prefixindex/CAT:|CAT:]]
relevant wrt the future [[m:Help:Namespace manager|Namespace manager]]? In [[Wikipedia_talk:Shortcut#C:_vs._CAT:_claw|three RFDs]]
I claimed that it's a bad idea, but it could be also irrelevant, e.g. if there are no plans to introduce this feature on Wikipedia. -- [[User:Omniplex|Omniplex]] 04:45, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
:There's no such thing as a pseudo namespace. Those pages all exist in the main namespace. The namespace manager exists in an incomplete and unmerged branch of the code at present. It's worth pointing out that ''CAT'' doesn't categorise pages; MediaWiki will not recognise anything other than the local and canonical namespace names for ''Category'' as category namespaces. '''[[User:Robchurch|robchurch]]''' | [[User_talk:Robchurch|talk]] 18:20, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
::Yes, "pseudo" means "not really", it's in the main namespace. The mentioned help page apparently offers to transform "pseudo" into "real"... at some ''very'' distant time, if I got your drift. And sure, CAT's no category like T's no template, theyr're used as shortcuts. I'm not defending this, quite the [[Wikipedia talk:Shortcut|contrary]] looking for a good technical reason to at least limit it. Sounds like "namespace manager" isn't that magic wand. -- [[User:Omniplex|Omniplex]] 16:33, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
:::I think I can say with a high degree of confidence that there is no good technical reason to limit it. At most, there are aesthetic or ideological reasons. —[[User:Simetrical|Simetrical]] ([[User talk:Simetrical|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Simetrical|contribs]]) 04:47, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
::I don't share that confidence wrt some hypothetical ISO language codes or Interwiki prefixes. The ideology is [[KISS principle|KISS]], C / CAT, or P / WP, one letter's shorter, "Project" works on all projects, that could be a reason to use one letter. But other ideologies are "if it ain't broken don't fix it" and for consistency just stick to it. -- [[User:Omniplex|Omniplex]] 08:01, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Okay, I'll admit, I hadn't thought of that. In principle, all two- and three-letter prefixes should probably be reserved for language codes; ''cat'' is actually the three-letter code for [[Catalan language|Catalan]] in ISO 639-3. (Wikipedia, however, uses the two-letter ISO 639-1 code, namely ''ca'', so in this particular case we can let it slip.) And I'll agree a ''c'' shortcut to some future wikiproject is entirely plausible. So I'm with you on killing C: in favor of CAT:, at any rate. —[[User:Simetrical|Simetrical]] ([[User talk:Simetrical|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Simetrical|contribs]]) 23:54, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
== Problems with cite ==
On [[Ladakh]] article, I'm getting the following error with some cites:
Cite error 4; Invalid call; no input specified
I think I'm doing all the right things, and the exact same syntax works sometimes, and doesn't work the other times. Could someone please check what the problem is? [[User:deeptrivia|deeptrivia]] ([[User talk:deeptrivia|talk]]) 04:34, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
:Try this: Insert 1 citation per edit. Whenever you get an error, post the code in question here, so we can analyse it. It's pretty hard for us to try and replicate the error with the information you've given us. --[[User:Deskana|Lord Deskana]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Deskana|Dark Lord of YOUR OPINIONS]]</sup> 07:43, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
:You entered the code <code><nowiki><ref name =Crossroads></ref></nowiki></code>. This is incorrect; use <code><nowiki><ref name =Crossroads/></nowiki></code> (strictly <code><nowiki><ref name="Crossroads"/></nowiki></code>, but MediaWiki isn't so picky). In the XML standard, these are identical, but not for Cite.php. —[[User:Simetrical|Simetrical]] ([[User talk:Simetrical|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Simetrical|contribs]]) 04:50, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
== [[MediaWiki talk:Monobook.js#User Logs in toolbox]] ==
Tossed a little bit of code up there today that adds a "User logs" link in the toolbox whenever you visit a User (or User talk) page. I'm proposing its inclusion into monobook.js, or if you like it but don't want it included, the code is available there (or in my userspace as [[User:Kylu/userlog.js]]) for use. <b><i><font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu ([[User:Kylu|u]]|[[User talk:Kylu|t]]) </font></i></b> 04:36, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
:Sounds like something we should add to MediaWiki. I'll poke it later. '''[[User:Robchurch|robchurch]]''' | [[User_talk:Robchurch|talk]] 18:10, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
== Changing edit textbox fonts ==
I've tried to change the edit textbox fonts by changing the IE font but this is not working. What is the best way to change the edit textbox font in IE form Times New Roman to Comic Sans MS? <small> ...[[User:Pce3@ij.net|IMHO]] ([[User talk:Pce3@ij.net|Talk]])</small> 04:37, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
:You should be able to edit [[Special:Mypage/monobook.css|your monobook css]] to do it. Try adding this:
textarea {font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; font-size:110%;}
:--[[User:Splarka|Splarka]] ([[User_talk:Splarka|rant]]) 07:18, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
::Thanks! Works great unless you fail to hit ctrl-F5 and reload IE. Thanks. <small> ...[[User:Pce3@ij.net|IMHO]] ([[User talk:Pce3@ij.net|Talk]])</small> 13:40, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
== Modifying date in signature ==
I already posted about this issue in corresponding talk page ([[Wikipedia talk:Sign your posts on talk pages#Formatting the Date]]), but got no answer. How to modify date format in signatures, which is obtained by <nowiki>~~~~ or ~~~~~</nowiki>? -[[User:Yyy|Yyy]] 12:20, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
:It's not possible. It's also not recommended to try to sign with an alternate date format (by hand, for instance) on pages such as this one which are archived by a bot (which ignores alternate date formats). --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 14:31, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
On this wiki, don't. To have another wiki's behaviour corrected, open a [http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org feature request] explaining what the correct date format is for that language, so we can have MediaWiki output the appropriate format. '''[[User:Robchurch|robchurch]]''' | [[User_talk:Robchurch|talk]] 17:54, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
:Just to clarify: everybody's signature dates are inserted with the same style and time zone so you can reasonably compare them when looking at a page full of different people's comments. Since they're part of the text they can't be customized for each viewer. --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] 23:40, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
::Why not wikilink the date so viewer preferences can kick in? —[[User:Simetrical|Simetrical]] ([[User talk:Simetrical|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Simetrical|contribs]]) 04:52, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
To my knowledge, the best you can do is modify how the date appears. You can't change anything else beyond that. See {{tlu|User:nathanrdotcom/Sig}} (by doing this, you'd have to sign with three tildes rather than four). — [[User:nathanrdotcom|<span style="color:#3971DE">'''Natha'''</span>]][[User:ILovePlankton/My loyalties to my friends|<span style="color:#336666">'''n'''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:nathanrdotcom|<span style="color:#3971DE">'''talk'''</span>]])</sup> <sub>/ <em>00:46, 28 June 2006 (UTC)</em></sub>
::Thank you, Nathan, this appears to be what I was searching for. -[[User:Yyy|Yyy]] 07:13, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes, that's productive. What part of what Brion wrote did you not understand? '''[[User:Robchurch|robchurch]]''' | [[User_talk:Robchurch|talk]] 02:12, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
:I did not need to customize everyones else signature dates, i just needed to modify my own signature date (it is converted to normal text, anyway, when saving page), and Nathan described how to do it, and it works. Date is still the same, only now there is possible to change, how it looks. Time is still in UTC, too. -[[User:Yyy|Yyy]] 04:01, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
::You could view signature dates in local time using [[User:Where/commentLocalize]]. -- [[User:Where|<b><font color="blue">Where</font></b>]] 17:11, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
:I'm thinking about using this kludge. The verbose timestamp has '''sp''' instead of '''nbsp''' between its components, causing ugly line breaks. Adding "(UTC)" everywhere is also dubious, what else should it be, server local time with load balancing surprises to make it as interesting as expressions using MOD? -- [[User:Omniplex|Omniplex]] 20:43, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
== Two Bots and a thing ==
I wasn't really sure where to ask this, so I decided to post here, where a broader audience may see it. I am in doubt about [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARich_Farmbrough&diff=60780267&oldid=60741312 this edit]. As you will see, this is a user talk page, and it's a situation where a bot added an automated message regarding the Signpost (which I'm not sure should be done, but it could be that the user signed up for this...). But then, five hours later, another bot removed the message from the talk page, calling it an ''automated archival''. I'm not sure that we can have bots adding and removing messages from talk pages like this. Perhaps one of those bots, or both, is malfunctioning? Or is everything just fine and I'm overthinking this? Thanks, [[User:Redux|Redux]] 13:59, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
:The first was not an automatic bot, and delivered the signpost on request, the second archived old discussions (also on request), but apparently did not do it properly, as the discussion was not old, that is where the problem lies. [[User:Bluemoose|Martin]] 14:05, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
::Update: Actually there is no problem, the message it removed was a different one than had just been placed there, so all is good. As to whether bots should do this kind of thing, both were done on request so I guess it isnt really a problem (though I don't know why they don't want to do it themselves). [[User:Bluemoose|Martin]] 14:09, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
:::I'm glad to hear it. Thanks, Martin. Indeed, I missed that the message removed was not the exact same one that had been added earlier by Ralbot — as it turns out, one message about the Signpost was added and another message about the Signpost was removed later; and, although I knew that it was a very tangible possibility, I was not certain as to whether or not the actions had been requested by the user himself. In any case, all is well, then. [[User:Redux|Redux]] 17:58, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
== TOC modifications ==
Is there a page that enumerates the TOC-relates flags (<nowiki>__TOC__</nowiki>, <nowiki>__NOTOC__</nowiki>, etc.)? I'm looking for one that will cause the toc to be hidden by default. ~ [[User:Booyabazooka|Booya <sup>Bazooka</sup>]] 15:39, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
:You obviously want <nowiki>__NOTOC__</nowiki> if the TOC is to disappear. see also [[:Category:TOC templates]] [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 15:51, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
::When you click the "hide" button, it doesn't disappear — just collapses to hide the contents, and still retains a link to expand it. That's what I'm looking to do. ~ [[User:Booyabazooka|Booya <sup>Bazooka</sup>]] 16:23, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
:The page that enumerates them is [[Help:Magic words]]. --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 17:41, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Is there a way to specify the subheading-depth that the TOC should display. For example, if I have an article that has a lot of level-3 headings under each level-2 heading, how can I tell the TOC to list only till level-2 headings and not the level-3 ones? [[User:203.81.221.68|203.81.221.68]] 23:30, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
== how to keep track of the number of visits a certain page gets ==
I recently added a few articles on terms that my professor and his colleges have been using and wished to be used correctly by others. It would be helpful to know if people have visited the articles and how many have done so.
I was wondering if Wikipedia had the ability to keep track of the number of visits that these articles have received, and if this is in agreement with the ethics of the Wikipedia site. If someone could post a sample code, which could achieve this task, I would appreciate it. I am a amateur programmer and don’t have the ability to write a script on my own to accomplish this task. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Tiasusnmt|Tiasusnmt]] ([[User talk:Tiasusnmt|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tiasusnmt|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small>
:Basically no. Please see [[Wikipedia:Technical FAQ#Can I add a page hit counter to a Wikipedia page?]]. -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 20:04, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
==What determines the summary for a Wikipedia entry that describes the Google hit?==
For some articles, it seems to be the opening sentence. For others, it is a selected piece of text embedded in the article. There seems to be no default, or if there is, how does one change it? In other words, how is the Google caption assigned within the article? Thanks. --[[User:PureLogic|PureLogic]] 02:29, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
:I believe it's determined by Google's search algorithms based on the search term you enter. I'm no Google expert, though. [[User:Bornhj|<font color="#336699">--<b>james</b></font>]] <sub><font color="green">// bornhj</font> [[User_talk:Bornhj|(talk)]]</sub> 08:59, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
::It chooses it well, doesn't it! The summary for en.wikipedia.org is "A free encyclopedia built collaboratively using Wiki software. (GNU Free Documentation License)". That's cool. --[[User:Deskana|Lord Deskana]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Deskana|Dark Lord of YOUR OPINIONS]]</sup> 09:02, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Sure does, but try it for yourself: first, try this query: {{google|site:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-4_Phantom_II "super demon"}} which returns a summary of "Although the Vought F8U Crusader won the contract, the '''Super Demon''' (as McDonnell's entrant ... The aircraft was originally designated the AH "'''Super Demon'''", ...". Then, try this query: {{google|site:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-4_Phantom_II Reconnaissance}} which returns a summary of "The German Luftwaffe initially ordered the '''reconnaissance''' RF-4E in 1969. ... Eleven '''reconnaissance''' aircraft received a similar RF-4EJ Kai upgrade. ..." (both from the same page, [[F-4 Phantom II]], one of our newest [[WP:FP|featured articles]]). Gotta love Google! [[User:Bornhj|<font color="#336699">--<b>james</b></font>]] <sub><font color="green">// bornhj</font> [[User_talk:Bornhj|(talk)]]</sub> 12:55, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
As the originator of the question, I will describe the issue which led me to ask it. Googling "Winston Churchill" brings up a Wikipedia summary which is the first line of his entry -- probably the Wikipedia/Google default. But if you Google the Professor who has been questioning the US government's account of the 9/11 World Trade Center collapses, "David Ray Griffin", the Google summary finds a criticism of Griffin that is embedded way down in the article. It is very odd, is it not?--[[User:PureLogic|PureLogic]] 00:56, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Sometimes, the summary (abstract) is far from satisfactory. If there's an infobox on the page, you might get a spattering of redundant and seemingly meaningless info. {{google|site:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neon_Genesis_Evangelion}}: "Neon Genesis Evangelion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - Neon Genesis Evangelion. The Neon Genesis Evangelion logo. 新世紀エヴァンゲリオン (Neon Genesis Evangelion). Genre, Science fiction, Mecha, Psychological", which at least contains some information, but other times is a run of numbers. --[[User:GunnarRene|GunnarRene]] 01:13, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
See also [[Wikipedia_talk:List_of_infoboxes#Search_engine_appearance]]--[[User:GunnarRene|GunnarRene]] 01:14, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
== AfD template change ==
Where can I go to propose a change to the AfD template, please? [[User:BlueValour|BlueValour]] 03:30, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
*Try [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)]] [[User:Folajimi|Folajimi]] 04:09, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
**For changes relative to the ''template'' only (not the policy), [[Template talk:afd]] is probably a better place. ([[User:Paolo Liberatore|Liberatore]], [[User talk:Paolo Liberatore|2006]]). 16:21, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
***Useful suggestions chaps, thanks. [[User:BlueValour|BlueValour]] 21:48, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
== Expanded watchlist ==
An easy newbie question, I hope. I have my preferences set to Expanded watchlist. Can you tell me, please, what the letter '''N''' means, when it appears in the left-hand margin against an entry? Sorry to be so stupid! --[[User:MichaelMaggs|MichaelMaggs]] 12:20, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
:It means it's a newly-created page. --[[User:Daduzi|<font color="Brown">'''Daduzi'''</font>]] [[User talk:Daduzi|<font color="Green"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 12:23, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
::Obvious when you know. Many thanks. --[[User:MichaelMaggs|MichaelMaggs]] 12:25, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
== Help with the "#If" Parser Function ==
I can best illustrate my question by an example:
<nowiki>I like pizza {{#if:{{{anchovies|}}}| and anchovies}}{{#if:{{{pepperoni|}}}| and pepperoni}}.</nowiki>
In order to engage this, I need to subst it in giving anchovies and pepperoni a dummy value:
<nowiki>{{subst:pizza|anchovies=y|pepperoni=y}}</nowiki>
What I'd like to be able to do is just do:
<nowiki>{{subst:pizza|anchovies|pepperoni}}</nowiki>
And have it go, "Oh, anchovies has been included as a template argument. So let's put in the 'anchovies' phrase."
How exactly do I tell the '#if' template to do that? I couldn't figure it out from [[m:ParserFunctions]].
Much obliged to anyone who can assist. — [[User:WCityMike|'''Mike''']] • 21:08, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
:You can keep it general and put <nowiki>{{#if:{{{1|}}}| and {{{1}}}}}</nowiki> in the template, and call it with <nowiki>{{subst:pizza|anchovies|..}}</nowiki>, or <nowiki>{{#if:{{{1|}}}| and anchovies}}</nowiki>, and call it with e.g. <nowiki>{{subst:pizza|a|..}}</nowiki>.--[[User:Patrick|Patrick]] 22:34, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
To clarify what Patrick is saying, if you do not include an equals sign (=) in an argument, then the parameter has no name, only a number. Eg:
*<tt><nowiki>{{pizza|anchovies}}</nowiki></tt> defines <nowiki>{{{1}}}</nowiki> as "anchovies" and <nowiki>{{{anchovies}}}</nowiki> as undefined.
*<tt><nowiki>{{pizza|anchovies=}}</nowiki></tt> defines <nowiki>{{{anchovies}}}</nowiki> as null, and <nowiki>{{{1}}}</nowiki> as undefined.
*<tt><nowiki>{{pizza|anchovies|pepperoni}}</nowiki></tt> therefore defines <nowiki>{{{1}}} and {{{2}}}</nowiki> so you must work with those.
Some examples of what you could do then:
:'''Template:Pizza''' with contents: <tt><nowiki>I like {{#if:{{{1|}}}|{{{1|}}}|nothing}}{{#if:{{{2|}}}|&#32;and {{{2|}}}|}} on my pizza.</nowiki></tt>
Which would produce:
*<tt><nowiki>{{pizza}}</nowiki></tt>: ''I like nothing on my pizza.''
*<tt><nowiki>{{pizza|anchovies}}</nowiki></tt>: ''I like anchovies on my pizza.''
*<tt><nowiki>{{pizza|anchovies|pepperoni}}</nowiki></tt>: ''I like anchovies and pepperoni on my pizza.''
However, to only allow specific arguments, like a predetermined list of toppings in any order, you'd either have to use a #switch for each argument (if you allowed 5 arguments, you'd need 5 #switch) and a number of cases in each #switch equal to the number of toppings. ''Or'' you can require equals signs in your arguments and use one #if for each topping.
Note that subst + parserfunctions = headache too. --[[User:Splarka|Splarka]] ([[User_talk:Splarka|rant]]) 23:37, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
:Guys, I can't tell you how much I appreciate the help. However, after seriously thinking about how I need to go about this, I've realized that what I was asking for above wasn't a practical way to approach the problem in question. I'm very grateful for your assistance anyway, and hope you'll forgive the change of mind. — [[User:WCityMike|'''Mike''']] • 04:08, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
== "<<<END" in PHP source ==
What precisely are the '''<<<END''' and '''END''' constructs used in the PHP source of MediaWiki? Like in this (from includes/ImagePage.php):
<pre>
$wgOut->addWikiText( <<<END
<div class="fullMedia">
<span class="dangerousLink">[[Media:$filename|$filename]]</span>
<span class="fileInfo"> ($info)</span>
</div>
<div class="mediaWarning">$warning</div>
END
);
</pre>
I can see the effect of the "tags," but where is their use defined? Are they built-in to the interpreter or are they elsewhere defined as '''>''' and '''<?php''', respectively? I'm not fully familiar with PHP (if you couldn't tell) and I don't want to misuse these. —[[User:BradleyEE|Bradley]] 22:36, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
:http://uk.php.net/manual/en/language.operators.php '''[[User:Robchurch|robchurch]]''' | [[User_talk:Robchurch|talk]] 02:07, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
::That makes no sense. It is three less-than symbols and the left-shift and less-than operators are all binary operators. How does this entity effectively escape text in the middle of a PHP file? —[[User:BradleyEE|Bradley]] 03:44, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
:::It's called [[heredoc]] syntax [http://us2.php.net/manual/en/language.types.string.php#language.types.string.syntax.heredoc], and I suppose it is a little odd. It isn't the only time PHP uses less-than and greater-than symbols for purposes other than comparison, though. Consider the arrows ( => and -> ) used in array and class syntax... ~ [[User:Booyabazooka|Booya <sup>Bazooka</sup>]] 04:14, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
::::That's what I was looking for—difficult to find as the search engines don't index or simply don't work with "<<<". Thanks —[[User:BradleyEE|Bradley]] 16:19, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
== Page views? ==
Is there a way of seeing how many times a page has been viewed in a certain period? (And ideally, how many unique users/IP addresses). Thanks --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Singkong2005|t]] - [[Special:Contributions/Singkong2005|c]] - [[Wikipedia:WikiProject International development|WPID]])</small></sup> 06:10, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
:In the FAQ you're supposed to read before posting here: [[Wikipedia:Technical_FAQ#Can_I_add_a_page_hit_counter_to_a_Wikipedia_page.3F]]. --[[User:Splarka|Splarka]] ([[User_talk:Splarka|rant]]) 08:25, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
::I'll help you out. :) It's been disabled on wikipedia for performance reasons. Imagine having to run to a chalk board 20 feet from your mailbox and putting a tally every time you check you mail. Wikipedia has enough traffic that this would turn into a riduclous endevor. Hope this helps. [[User:JoeSmack|JoeSmack]] <sup>[[User Talk:JoeSmack|Talk]]</sup> 14:08, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks - that does help. And sorry for not reading the intro and FAQ before posting (d'oh!) --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Singkong2005|t]] - [[Special:Contributions/Singkong2005|c]] - [[Wikipedia:WikiProject International development|WPID]])</small></sup> 14:10, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
== Commercial links? ==
Under the subheading "brands", the [[mead]] article lists about twenty commercial links. Is this acceptable?--[[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]] 13:27, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
:I wouldn't think so. I can't find the specific policy right now, but I know we discourage links to commerical sites (except in the case of an article about a particular company, like [[Amazon.com]]). Also, all those links are extern links in the main article. It'd be fine to wikilink to a few articles about specific brands, but not extern link to a whole bunch of commercial sites as it is now doing. — [[User:Frecklefoot|Frecklefoot]] | [[User talk:Frecklefoot|Talk]] 14:35, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
::Since writing the above I seem to be coming across more and more WP articles with blatant advertising links. I've read through [[WP:LOP]] and [[WP:NOT]] but I haven't been able to find any specific policy on this either. Surely purely advertising links that don't contain encyclopedic information should be removed? I would like to be able to cite WP policy before launching a purge.--[[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]] 13:39, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
== How do I make my Userpage render properly in IE? ==
I really don't know very much about designing a webpage, and even less about designing a Wiki userpage. I was just told that my page (which I copied mostly from [[User:Jimbo Wales]]) doesn't render properly in IE. The box with my picture covers up some of the text of my description.
Can someone: a) Show me what to do to make it work or link me to something?
b) Fix it for me?
[[User:Alphachimp|<font color="Maroon">'''Alphachimp'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Alphachimp|'''<font color="Blue">talk</font>''']]</sup> 14:04, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
:Looks okay now - just a width=100% which I deleted. [[User:Cool Cat|Cool Cat]] helped me with user page formatting a while back so glad to now be able to help another user. Of course that's assuming I have actually fixed the problem you were talking about... --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Singkong2005|t]] - [[Special:Contributions/Singkong2005|c]] - [[Wikipedia:WikiProject International development|WPID]])</small></sup> 14:35, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
==How do I make Main Page not show on top of the mainpage? ==
English Wikipedia has the main heading - Main Page removed (or not visible in the main skin). I'd like to do the same for Georgian wiki new proposed mainpage (see one version here [[:ka:ვიკიპედია:ახალი თავფურცელი 2|თავფურცელი]]). Anyone knows how? If it had been discussed somewhere specifically, would appreciate the link. gmadlobt. [[User:Alsandro|Alsandro]] 16:03, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
:This effect is achieved with a piece of [[JavaScript]]; see [[MediaWiki:Monobook.js]]. '''[[User:Robchurch|robchurch]]''' | [[User_talk:Robchurch|talk]] 18:07, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
::if I read you, the last part from this page beginning with
:::var mpTitle = "Main Page";
::has to be inserted into our mediawiki page (translating the names)? Tnx! [[User:Alsandro|Alsandro]] 19:05, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
:Correct. You could also try something very simple like:
if(document.title == "მთავარი გვერდი - ვიკიპედია") {
document.write('<style type="text/css">/*<![CDATA[*/ #lastmod, #siteSub, #contentSub, h1.firstHeading { display: none !important; } /*]]>*/</style>');
}
:--[[User:Splarka|Splarka]] ([[User_talk:Splarka|rant]]) 01:00, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Done! we've actually copied all remaining javascript from english version (below this one) and got some other goodies as well. :) Thanx much. [[user:Alsandro|Alsandro]] 01:04, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
== External Image ==
Hello,
In the [[Transmitter]] article, I'm trying to add an example image of a transmitter circuit. But the image ("Emetteur.jpg") is hosted on the French Wikipedia, and I don't know to directly put the image in the article rather than re-import it in the English wiki and then link the image.
Thanks for all future help. [[User:E-s-B|E-s-B]]∂<sub>[[User Talk:E-s-B|Talk]]<small>[[:fr:Utilisateur:E-s-B|fr]]</small></sub> 17:56, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
:It needs to be uploaded onto en.wikipedia for it to be accessed. If it's a free image, you could upload it to the commons instead. --[[User:Deskana|Lord Deskana]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Deskana|Dark Lord of YOUR OPINIONS]]</sup> 17:57, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
:: Thanks. I asked the question as it is possible to do so (directly link across wikis without reimporting) in the french wikipedia. Perhaps a feature to ask ? [[User:E-s-B|E-s-B]]∂<sub>[[User Talk:E-s-B|Talk]]<small>[[:fr:Utilisateur:E-s-B|fr]]</small></sub> 18:04, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Really? I thought it was disabled. Commons is the exception here, but I thought it was disabled across all Wikimedia wikis. --[[User:Deskana|Lord Deskana]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Deskana|Dark Lord of YOUR OPINIONS]]</sup> 19:09, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
You cannot use images from another project. You can use images from the shared upload repositories, i.e. the Wikimedia Commons. There isn't a feature that's "switched off" here. '''[[User:Robchurch|robchurch]]''' | [[User_talk:Robchurch|talk]] 23:15, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
:Well some people on wikis that allow it use external image linking to drag in images from other wikis (that could be the switched off feature being reffered to here) but this isn't encouraged and is disabled on most of the bigger wikipedias as it doesn't result in proper attribution. Also different wikipedias have different copyright rules (thats why commons has to be so strict) so enabling ad-hoc image inclusing between them would not be a good idea. [[User:Plugwash|Plugwash]] 01:30, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
::This is [[deep linking]] / [[direct linking]] / [[inline linking]]. __[[User:Meco|meco]] 10:31, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
== Article access/popularity statistics ==
Yes, I have read [[Wikipedia:Technical FAQ#Can I add a page hit counter to a Wikipedia page?]] and if it's in the FAQ, I figure it must be a popular request. Are there any access logs available from just a brief time interval, with which we might determine a rough estimate the top-100 articles by reader popularity? [[User:Publicola|Publicola]] 22:09, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
:Nothing too up-to-date. As a rough guide, though; the last time we had such logging enabled, the popular topics came out to be current affairs (and similar), sex, and something else which I'll have to dig through IRC logs to find. '''[[User:Robchurch|robchurch]]''' | [[User_talk:Robchurch|talk]] 23:13, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
::Soccer football ? --[[User:Harvestman|DLL]] 22:25, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
:That's a decent enough deduction for what's popular now, due to the World Cup...but that falls under current affairs. More stuff that's liable to be popular now; US and international politics (Iraq, Iran, et al.), tennis ([[Wimbledon]]), etc. '''[[User:Robchurch|robchurch]]''' | [[User_talk:Robchurch|talk]] 15:16, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
== Wikipedia sometimes loads blank pages ==
Recently, I started getting blank pages when browsing Wikipedia. However, refreshing the page usually solves the problem. This happens with both Internet Explorer and FireFox. Has anyone else been encountering similar problems lately? --[[User:Ixfd64|Ixfd64]] 23:44, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
:Me. Just the last couple days. -[[User:Splash|Splash]] - [[User talk:Splash|tk]] 00:14, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
:Doubt you need another useless confirmation, but yes, I've noticed it as well. ~ [[User:Booyabazooka|Booya <sup>Bazooka</sup>]] 03:57, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
:My browser claims "document contains no data". -- [[User:Omniplex|Omniplex]] 04:23, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
:Good, so it's not just me :P --[[User:GeorgeMoney|GeorgeMoney]] <sup>([[User talk:GeorgeMoney|talk]]) ([[User:GeorgeMoney/Help Me Improve|Help Me Improve!]])</sup> 23:17, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
:Yes, (problems with other databases too.)[[User:HappyVR|HappyVR]] 20:26, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
::I believe it's called "The White Screen of Donation". --[[User:Deskana|Lord Deskana]] ([[User talk:Deskana|talk]]) 20:28, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
== "Page already deleted" error page differs on secure server ==
When I attempt to delete a page someone has already deleted when logged in from secure.wikimedia.org, the "Internal error" page links to http://secure.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion&action=purge, which brings up a "Wiki does not exist" message. The correct URL is https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Category:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion&action=purge ; I looked for the page in Mediawiki namespace for this error but couldn't find it.
As an afterthought, shouldn't the "Internal error" (deletion failed) page and the "Action complete" (deletion successful) page show the same set of "return to..." links? --[[User:Kimchi.sg|Kimchi.sg]] 00:44, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
:This is [[MediaWiki:Cannotdelete]]; someone incorrectly added site-specific links which fail on the secure server. Use <nowiki>{{fullurl:}}</nowiki> instead, perhaps? --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] 03:48, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
::I've fixed it to use {{localurl:}}. Seems to work now. —[[User:Ilmari Karonen|Ilmari Karonen]] <small>([[User talk:Ilmari Karonen|talk]])</small> 14:56, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
:::I changed it to {{fullurl:}}, because when I previewed it on the secure server, the server name in the links appeared to be omitted. Using fullurl there wasn't such a problem. [[User:Kimchi.sg|Kimchi.sg]] 15:23, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
::::That's what {{localurl:}} ''does''. I did [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Nosucharticle&action=delete test it on the secure server] and it worked just fine. —[[User:Ilmari Karonen|Ilmari Karonen]] <small>([[User talk:Ilmari Karonen|talk]])</small> 15:29, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
:::I also went and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20060630152113&limit=11&target=Ilmari_Karonen fixed] a few other messages with hardcoded links. One I ''couldn't'' fix was [[MediaWiki:Searchquery]], since <nowiki>{{localurl:$1}}</nowiki> does ''not'' produce the expected output. :-( —[[User:Ilmari Karonen|Ilmari Karonen]] <small>([[User talk:Ilmari Karonen|talk]])</small> 15:29, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
::::The same problem exists also with [[MediaWiki:Blockipsuccesstext]], I just didn't notice it while testing. I've reverted my changes until this can be fixed somehow. (Thanks to [[User:Freakofnurture|Freakofnurture]] for notifying me.) —[[User:Ilmari Karonen|Ilmari Karonen]] <small>([[User talk:Ilmari Karonen|talk]])</small> 15:58, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::The first of these is one of the few messages which still use HTML. A workaround could be Brion configuring the non-secure server to redirect /wikipedia/en/wiki/ -> /wiki/ and /wikipedia/en/w/ -> /w/ (which would allow the use of the secure version of the URLs even on the non-secure server). --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 22:43, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
== Can't get to certain pages ==
Various pages from all over the wiki multiverse have suddenly become un-accsessible to me. This is particularly true of main pages. Cetain links load just fine, many other's just return the error message "Server not found" This includes all the main pages for wikipedia and its sister sites. Yet other pages are fully accsessible to me, this one for example. What on earth is going on? Is it a problem with my internet service provieder? I use a private local one. I am using Mozilla Firefox, and all the computers in my house suffer the same problem, though some are able to accsess pages others arn't. I am having no trouble with any other site on the web. Why is this happening to me and how can i fix it? {{unsigned|208.50.112.95|21:41, 29 June 2006}}
== Strange characters on a page ==
On the [[Weyland-Yutani]] article there are a couple (?) strange characters just below and to the left of the article tab. See screenshot below... Does anybody know if it is intentional? If so, what's the purpose? I haven't found any other page that has it, though I did not really look.
[[Image:Robert's Question.PNG|center|400px|Screenshot of page in question.]]
--[[User:Robert Harrison|Robert Harrison]]<sup>[[User talk:Robert Harrison|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Robert Harrison|contrib]]</sup> 04:09, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
I figured it out... It's a output of a bad template call, namely [[:Template:cquote]] --[[User:Robert Harrison|Robert Harrison]]<sup>[[User talk:Robert Harrison|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Robert Harrison|contrib]]</sup> 04:29, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
== Mansun/Redirecting ==
I was wanting to create pages for the band members for the English band Mansun, as they are only listed on the Mansun page. When you search for the band members, they are redirected to the Mansun page. How can I stop them redirecting, so that I can create seperate pages for them?
:When the pages redirect to the [[Mansun]] page, you'll see a line at the top of the page saying "Redirected from <nowiki>[band member's name]</nowiki>". If you click the link to the band member's name, you'll be taken back to the original redirect page, which you can then edit as normal. [[User:Bornhj|<font color="#336699">--<b>james</b></font>]] <sub><font color="green">// bornhj</font> [[User_talk:Bornhj|(talk)]]</sub> 11:56, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
== How to purge an SVG? ==
Earlier I had problems with SVG not appearing, and it was solved by purging the image: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#SVG_not_working]. I'm getting the same problem (this time at [[:Image:Netscape-navigator-usage-data.svg]]), so I'd like to know: how do I purge an SVG?
:Normally it should be the same process, but the .svg file ([http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f8/Netscape-navigator-usage-data.svg here]) is giving me an XML error in Firefox 1.5.0.4/WinXP. That might have something to do with it. [[User:Bornhj|<font color="#336699">--<b>james</b></font>]] <sub><font color="green">// bornhj</font> [[User_talk:Bornhj|(talk)]]</sub> 11:52, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
::I didn't encounter any trouble on the Wikipedia side, the original problem may have been a local browser cache that needed clearing? Anyway, I added the missing namespace to that SVG so that Mozilla browsers won't choke on it. --[[User:IMeowbot|iMeowbot]]~[[User talk:IMeowbot|Meow]] 14:54, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
==Changing colour of text + difficulty uploading new version of pictures==
I want to change the colour of texts that link to Wikipedia articles on a map that i made of the Roman Empire (see [[User:Daanschr/ Maptest]]). I think white would be good.
I can't upload new versions of pictures anymore. Wikipedia says that the picture has been uploaded succesfully, but the old piccture remains and it doesn't show on my user contributions.--[[User:Daanschr|Daanschr]] 12:48, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
:You seem to be uploading fine. Also, uploads don't show in contribs, but in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Daanschr your user log].
:I've set an example at [[User:Daanschr/ Maptest]] in white. However, you must define underline color too, because people with underline links enabled will see the default color (blue, red, purple, etc) under the color if you do not. It would be nice if we could edit the <nowiki><A></nowiki> (anchor) tag in a wikilink, where we could specify a color that would work for both underlined and non-underlined text, but as the anchor tags are generated by the wikicode we cannot. This method defines a span in the anchor which colors the text (crudely). You could ask for a class addition to [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] but that is probably futile. --[[User:Splarka|Splarka]] ([[User_talk:Splarka|rant]]) 07:34, 1 July 2006 (UTC) Sidenote: There is a ''class="nounderlines"'' but as it does not use !important anyone set "Underline links: Always" in their Preferences will still see them.
::Wrong. The declaration for <code>.nounderlines a</code> at [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] has a higher specificity than the declaration for <code>a</code> at the autogenerated CSS, so it always take precedence. There's no need for <code>!important</code>. --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 23:02, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
== Stopping google from indexing a talk page archive ==
Some talk pages I have been dealing with have what some participants consider personal attacks but others do not, and some particpants object to removing them altogether. The real objection is that the negative comments come up in a google search for one person's name. I had the idea that if the talk page was archived, and the archive was tagged with <nowiki><nofollow>, or maybe <meta name="robots" content="noindex"></nowiki>, then the comments would no longer appear in google (after it updated, anyway. Will this work? More importantly, will it break some wikipedia policy? Thanks. [[User:Thatcher131|Thatcher131]] 15:16, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
:And what if someone ''wants'' to search for the attacks contained in this archive? I don't think it's up to anyone to decide what should and should not be pushed under the rug here. Before you go looking for the technical solution, I suggest first getting an answer to the policy questions, perhaps on the talk page of [[WP:PA|No personal attacks]]. ~ [[User:Booyabazooka|Booya <sup>Bazooka</sup>]] 22:14, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
::Any user who does not want to have his name found in a googlE search could use a pseudonym. --[[User:Harvestman|DLL]] 22:21, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Won't work. The correct method to prevent comments posted on a public web site from appearing in public archives and being made available to search engines...is not to post comments on a public web site. '''[[User:Robchurch|robchurch]]''' | [[User_talk:Robchurch|talk]] 15:12, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
== Editing an Article's Title ==
Well, I think I've made an error. I've added an article to Wikipedia that is titled "The Mayborn Museum Complex". After reading a bit more about Wikipedia I saw that using the word "The" in a title is discouraged. Is there any way I can change this?
Also, are there any sort of meta tags I need to add to an article to enable users to find the page easier through Wikipedia's Search? {{unsigned2|16:03, 30 June 2006 |Cahbreis}}
:Once your account is 4 days old, a 'Move' button will appear, and you can use that to move the page, along with its edit history to a new title. For now, someone else has already done this for you. The Wikipedia search engine only gets updated when a new database dump is complete. See the second bullet-point in the FAQ at the top of this page. Typically, however, Google picks up new pages within a few days. -[[User:Splash|Splash]] - [[User talk:Splash|tk]] 16:13, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
==Wiki Time==
What is Wiki's standard "local time" for time stamping contributions? Is it possible to identify a user's time zone? [[User:Ptmccain|Ptmccain]] 18:27, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
:[[Universal Coordinated Time]] (UTC) and no, not unless they amend their signature manually to indicate their time zone. -[[User:Splash|Splash]] - [[User talk:Splash|tk]] 19:56, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
::also they might say on their user page where they live - you could work it out from that. <small><i><font color="#990000">[[User:BL Lacertae|BL Lacertae]]</font> - <font color="#555555">[[User talk:BL Lacertae|kiss the lizard]]</font></i></small> 00:55, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
:::{{coor d|53.5618|N|9.9652|E|}} Have fun with working that out. -- [[User:Omniplex|Omniplex]] 20:33, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
:::Guten tag from {{coor d|45.8917|S|170.4722|E|}} :) <small><i><font color="#990000">[[User:BL Lacertae|BL Lacertae]]</font> - <font color="#555555">[[User talk:BL Lacertae|kiss the lizard]]</font></i></small> 01:35, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
::::'''<nowiki>:-)</nowiki>'''   I needed two sites, GeoURL and World time clock, to find your timezone. Oops, already Monday for you, from my POV it's still Sunday for some hours. -- [[User:Omniplex|Omniplex]] 15:39, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
== Log-in program is malfunctioning - BIG TIME !!!! ==
I log in as '''Martial Law''', then when I sig. a edit, this mess appears: [[User:66.82.9.59|66.82.9.59]]. This mess could cause someone to accuse ''me'' of using [[WP:SOCK|socks]] or worse. I log in, only to be logged out by some glitch. I've done what I could do on my end to rectify this problem. [[User:66.82.9.59|66.82.9.59]] 19:52, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
:Hasn't this issue been explained to you several times? --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] 20:19, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
== finding a reference ==
In a discussion which occurred within the last month (I think in a section entitled "Death" on the science reference desk page or on the Half-life talk page) I have a record of the following submission. Can you help me find out it the section was deleted or what happened since I have been unable to find its ___location anywhere in the Wikipedia. The only date I have is the date that the record was created on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 11:57:05 PM. <small> ...[[User:Pce3@ij.net|IMHO]] ([[User talk:Pce3@ij.net|Talk]])</small> 06:12, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
----
::::::::Okay using your own criteria (above) of percentage remaining p=1/(2^(200/50)) consider this:
::::::::We want to know the percentage remaining after 200 years of any amount of anything that has a half life of 50 years.
::::::::We therefor apply the formula p=1/(2^(number of years/half-life)) or p=1/(2^(200/50)) or 1/16 or .0625 or 6.25%.
::::::::So it appears that since there is a percentage of 6.25% of the item left after 200 years that it does not matter what the item is or how much of the item there was to start off with. This is where your concept fails. For instance suppose that we start with only 10 items. How much will I have left after 200 years. That’s easy. I just multply .0625 times 10 and we get .625. Thus we have .635 items left after 200 years of the original 10 we started with. But what if the items are not divisible? What if there is not such a thing as .625 of the items we have and that any amount of the item that is less than '''''one''''' simply does not exist? Hummm... Since we can not divide an atom into parts by the method of Beta decay then sorry but even though we might have 6.25% of the original amount of the items left that percent is meaningless because 1.) we started with only ten items and 2.) each item is a complete and indivisible unit rather than a continuous value. If you apply half-life computation to the real world then you must take these facts into account.
----
:Perhaps [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Science&diff=prev&oldid=59934157 this (from the page history for the reference desk)] is what you are looking for? I found it in your "User contributions". It also appears at [[Wikipedia:Reference desk archive/Science/June 2006]]. Hope this helps.--[[User:GregRM|GregRM]] 13:08, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
== Great jumping headers ==
The header line (USERNAME my talk my preferences my watchlist my contributions logout) on the main page does curious things periodically. When I move the mouse to any of the items on it, the whole header jumps from the right side to the left side of the screen. It doesn't jump back until the screen is refreshed, when it reappears on the right. This behavior has appeared intermittently over months... It's a little unnerving but there's no loss of functionality. Any ideas how to fix it? [[User:Hgilbert|Hgilbert]] 13:18, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
:I've heard of this happening to users of Internet Explorer 6. Report the bug to Microsoft. '''[[User:Robchurch|robchurch]]''' | [[User_talk:Robchurch|talk]] 15:10, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
== Imports and transwiki (en.wiktionary) ==
As has been announced recently, [[Special:Import]] is back. En.wiktionary now has its import target synchronized towards en:wp so that Transwikis can happen directly, saving page histories, logging things automatically (for us, then) and converting <nowiki>{{templates}}</nowiki> into <nowiki>[[w:Templates]]</nowiki>. View [[wikt:Special:Log/import]] for two examples I tested. The newest feature I requested even allows imports to go directly in our Transwiki: namespace, which is another advantage over manual cut-n-pasting.
Anyone has ideas how this can change the Transwiki thing, balancing out the task between Wiktionary and Wikipedia volunteers? Special:Import is restricted to sysops, which means that the Wiktionary sysops could do the import while the Wikipedians could concentrate on getting the things logged and deleted, merged, redirected etc. here. Given the fact that [[WP:TL]] is considered to have a backlog, that should be considerd as a Good Thing™. It'll require some cross-project communication and cooperation, though.
(Right place to post?)
Cheers, — [[User talk:Vildricianus#|Vildricianus]] 19:03, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
:Basically, everybody who uses the import function on Wiktionary should log it at [[Wikipedia:Transwiki log]]. Logs on Wiktionary shouldn't be necessary anymore since it's already logged automatically there. As long as it shows up on Wikipedia's transwiki log, we'll pick it up somehow and know what to do with the articles. If you're up to it and are familiar with Wikipedia's inclusion policy, you can help us figure out what to do with the articles once exported (paths are listed at the Transwiki log page).
:I'd be very much obliged if those importing at Wiktionary could kindly keep a continual eye on [[CAT:MtW]]: it has a tendency to fill up rapidly. It would help me if I could be told who to bug when CAT:MtW backs up now, as I won't be able to proactively do something about it, not having sysop powers on Wiktionary. Also, if Wiktionary already has an entry to which a transwikied article on Wikipedia would not add anything, it can probably be proposed for deletion before it's transwikied, saving a bunch of work. [[User:TheProject|theProject]] 05:28, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
== Interface changes (fonts) ==
There have been various small changes to the interface recently, including the text styles for section headers. Is there any way for me to change them back? [[User:Ardric47|Ardric47]] 23:17, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
:Never mind...it was something with my browser. [[User:Ardric47|Ardric47]] 23:39, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
== Dynamic NavBar modifications ==
I want to do inline dynamic NavBars with variable toggle texts but could not figure out how to do it with the current NavBar code. I've posted some sample code to [[MediaWiki_talk:Monobook.js]] (Sample code passes toggle texts via a hack with the title attribute.) Seeking alternatives/comments. [[User:Gimmetrow|Gimmetrow]] 05:23, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
== www.alnaja7.org ==
I hope this is the correct board.
I am beginning to get seriously annoyed by links to www.alnaja7.org continously been posted in a number of programming articles, as these links have previously been discussed in the articles and decided to be of poor quality. These links were previously being placed by [[user:Alhoori]], an now by [[User:Rehabe]]. Is there some standard system to stop this kind of behaviour? Also, why doesn't the search facility seem to find URLs in articles? Thank you [[User:Mrjeff|Mrjeff]] 10:58, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
:Not the best place for link spam disputes, but for your technical question try [{{fullurl:w:Special:Linksearch|target=*.alnaja7.org}} this link]. -- [[User:Omniplex|Omniplex]] 15:08, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
== Wikibooks transwiki ==
Came across this article the other day: [[Organic_lawn_management]]. It's definitely a how-to article. I'd like to transwiki it to WB where it can grow into a chapter or book (it has good information in it, but rather stubby), but not sure how to go about this.
My technical question is: is there a way to simply move an article to WB ''with the edit history''? [[User:SB Johnny|SB Johnny]] 11:42, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
:I've tagged it for [[m:transwiki|transwiki]]; this is the standard way of moving pages from wiki to wiki. [[User:Alerante|æ]][[Special:Emailuser/Alerante|²]] <small>[[User talk:Alerante|✆]] '''2006-07-02'''''t'''''13:30'''''z''</small>
::I've tried to figure out how this is done, but I really have trouble understanding the procedure. Would anyone be willing to tutor or mentor me on this? (Posting this on meta:transwiki as well). [[User:SB Johnny|SB Johnny]] 16:20, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
== New Comment Section Using Internal Wikilink? ==
Is there a way to do via an internal wikilink -- as opposed to an external link -- the link that takes someone to the "new section" link for a talk page?
For example, right now, if I wanted to send someone to a link that opened a "new comment" section for them on my talk page, it would be:
<nowiki>http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WCityMike&action=edit§ion=new</nowiki>
Is there a way to do that, somehow, using an internal wikilink instead? — [[User:WCityMike|'''Mike''']] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WCityMike&action=edit&section=new talk] • [[Special:Contributions/WCityMike|contribs]]) 15:10, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
:I'm not completely sure, but I think the answer is no. -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 15:44, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
:You can use the CSS class "plainlinks" to get rid of the pointy-square-arrow, but that's lots of markup. Also, you can use <nowiki>{{fullurl:User talk:WCityMike|action=edit|section=new}}</nowiki> as the URL instead; it's shorter and more portable. [[User:Alerante|æ]][[Special:Emailuser/Alerante|²]] <small>[[User talk:Alerante|✆]] '''2006-07-02'''''t'''''21:56'''''z''</small>
==How to add structure to a list==
Hello. I'd like to display structure in a hierachical list using wikipedia text markup
The result should provide the same infomation as this example:
[[Image:Things (classification).PNG]]
What I want to know is how I can include the lines? (I am already aware of use of colons and asterisks.) Is this possible. Thank you.[[User:HappyVR|HappyVR]] 19:40, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
:So far, when similar structure are needed (for sport event articles, notably), very complex markup has tobe used, so I'd assume the answer is "no". [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 00:16, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
::If you've got a link to any sport page that uses the complex markup I'd like to have a look at it - if it can be done I'll have a go.[[User:HappyVR|HappyVR]] 01:49, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:The easiest way to do this is using tables and images. It's not easy. A software extension could make it easy, but that's unlikely for such a narrow purpose. In short, it's probably best to forget about it. [[User:Deco|Deco]] 00:18, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
::Thats a shame - it seemed like all I might need was the 'codes' for two 'T' characters, 2 lines and a right angle? Maybe such characters don't exist.[[User:HappyVR|HappyVR]] 01:49, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:::Actually, as I've just discovered, such characters do exist and seem to display okay in IE7 and Mozilla; see [[box drawing characters]]. I haven't tried IE6 though. [[User:Deco|Deco]] 02:18, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
::::Yes, that's what I was looking for, but know I need to check if everyone will be able to actually see them if I use them.├>[[User:HappyVR|HappyVR]] 02:44, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
::::Sorry if this is too obvious, but you might be able to do a rough approximation of what you want with <nowiki><pre></pre></nowiki> tags. [[User:Bkonrad|older]] ≠ [[User talk:Bkonrad|wiser]] 02:27, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
<pre>
All Things
|
|---Things without legs
| |
| |---Houses
|
|---Things with legs
|
|--etc.
</pre>
:::::Useful - not sure what it does?
Thanks to both of you. This really helps.
I've tried a combination of the two - (not sure about 'pre' but I used it anyway)- what I need now is a way to 'turn off' the box around the text...[[User:HappyVR|HappyVR]] 02:44, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
<pre style="border:0px; background:none">
All Things
│
├───Things without legs
│ │
│ └───Houses
│
└───Things with legs
│
└──etc.
</pre>
:Good thinking! I removed the border by using <nowiki><pre style="border:0px;"></nowiki>. [[User:Deco|Deco]] 03:09, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:And I removed the background for ya using <nowiki><pre style="background:none"></nowiki>. --[[User:Daduzi|<font color="Brown">'''Daduzi'''</font>]] [[User talk:Daduzi|<font color="Green"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 04:00, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
::Excellent.[[User:HappyVR|HappyVR]] 11:44, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:Unfortunately, this solution doesn't work if you need wikicode inside the tags, as at [[Family tree of the Greek gods]]. If you do, I don't know of any way to suppress the background and border. —[[User:Simetrical|Simetrical]] ([[User talk:Simetrical|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Simetrical|contribs]]) 21:08, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
::Such a thing seems impossible at the moment. While the <pre> tag allows for HTML markup inside, the wiki doesn't permit wiki markup inside the tag. That leaves the question, is there any other tag that does preformatted text? Code sort of works:
<code style="border:0px; background:none">
All Things
│
├───[[Things without legs]]
│ │
│ └───Houses
│
└───Things with legs
│
└──etc.</code>
But not quite [[User:Kevin Breitenstein|Kevin_b_er]] 22:33, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
<div style="font-family:monospace">
All Things <br />
│ <br />
├───[[Things without legs]] <br />
│ │ <br />
│ └───Houses <br />
│ <br />
└───Things with legs <br />
│ <br />
├──etc. <br />
        | <br />
        └──[[Squid]]
</div>
? (Spaces used are U+2003 em spaces, &emsp; works too) [[User:Kotepho|Kotepho]] 00:18, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
:That works though I don't know why, only there are gaps between the vertical lines on my browser, so I guess that all that needs to be done is change the line spacing - is this possible?[[User:HappyVR|HappyVR]] 16:41, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
== Userpage Formatting ==
Hello.
I wanted to edit my userpage by condensing my userboxes into two rows on either side of my userpage. What is the formatting for doing this? Also, the title of my userboxes is skills and interests. Do you know how to format one row skills and one interests? If you visit my userpage you'll know what I'm talking about. Thanks.
--[[User:Clyde Miller|Clyde Miller]] 01:23, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:Is something like [[User:Booyabazooka/Sandbox|this]] roughly what you're talking about? If you look at [[Template:Boxboxtop]], you can see all of the parameters for it — the one you're looking for is ''align'' to put one of the boxes on the left. I warn against doing this, though, because it uses up a lot of horizontal space; viewers with lower horizontal resolutions may have difficulty, because it leaves little room for text in the middle. ~ [[User:Booyabazooka|Booya <sup>Bazooka</sup>]] 02:17, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I used the formatting you used on your sandbox demo and I like the way it looks. There isn't that much text on my userpage, so I'm not really going to worry about the horizontal space issue. If someone can't see my userpage I will either change it so they can, or just have them talk to me on my talk page. Thanks for your help.--[[User:Clyde Miller|Clyde Miller]] 16:31, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
== NYT Zotero translator ==
I added a secondary page. Thanks for everything. --[[User:Clyde Miller|Clyde Miller]] 20:58, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Where can I find the Zotero translators used by Citoid and the like? Are they on Gerrit somewhere? Does it directly use https://github.com/zotero/translators ? [[User:Polygnotus|Polygnotus]] ([[User talk:Polygnotus|talk]]) 04:57, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
== Broken history + possible vandalism ==
:its all described in [[mediawikiwiki:Citoid#Installation]] —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 08:45, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
I noticed an out of place template on an [[Frizzell County Championship Division One in 2005|older article]]. Somehow, [[:Template:Afd top]] managed to be included [[Frizzell County Championship Division One in 2005#Round six|here]] in the article.
: And, to directly answer the question, we use our own fork of Zotero translators at https://gitlab.wikimedia.org/repos/mediawiki/services/zotero-translators (on [[mw:GitLab]] which is separate from [[mw:Gerrit]]). But it's mostly kept up-to-date with the upstream repo, so if you want to contribute a new translator it's probably better to first try upstream. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 18:56, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Pppery|Pppery]] Thank you that is exactly what I need! [[User:Polygnotus|Polygnotus]] ([[User talk:Polygnotus|talk]]) 21:18, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
== PBLOCK from deleted page ==
Trying to see who put it there, I went to the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Frizzell_County_Championship_Division_One_in_2005&action=history|edit history]]. On that page, there are a large number of consecutive entries by Sam Vimes; all of them are broken. The template wasn't there before them, but it was there after, so it must have been included in his edits.
Let's say I partially block a user from a page, and the page gets deleted. Is the user still blocked from editing the page (i.e. can't create it), or does the deletion end the relevant action, comparable to how it ends a protection? Also, what if the page gets recreated by someone else: can the partially blocked user edit it? I just did a partial block on [[User:ThisIsaTest]] — the first I've ever done — and have no idea what would happen if I did the same thing to a real user. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 04:57, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
What is causing this? Is it a random glitch or could somebody be trying to hide something in those edits? -- [[User:Kenb215|kenb215]] 03:05, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
: The pblock remains on the books but has no effect unless the page is undeleted (and even then may not be effective). While a block appears in most of the UI to be preventing a specific title, it's actually technically implemented by preventing edits to a specific [[mw:Help:Page ID|Page ID]]; this means pblocks survive moves but don't survive deletions. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 05:15, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
::Let's try this and see what happens. Could you partial-block me from editing [[User:Nyttend/testrjehtunrinetdngrm]] for, say, a week? I'll let you know when I'm ready for you to delete it. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 06:13, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
::: (Continued at [[WP:AN#PBLOCK me for testing]]) [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 03:57, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
=== Pblocked user marked as tempblocked by the blocked strikethrough gadget ===
:While I cannot find the revision where it appeared (the revisions are absurdly long, and there are way too many of them), I know what's going on. What you are seeing is not {{tl|afd top}}, but {{tl|afd}}. That article was part of an [http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/E/evil.html evil] experiment by [[User:Jguk]], which [[transclude]]d ''whole articles'' within a larger article. This being highly confusing, it probably caused someone to put one of the component articles on AfD, and the damaged renmants of the tag remained within the article when the component pieces were finally merged into a sane article. If you can somehow find the original component article, you will be able to restore the contents of the section (even if it has later been deleted; it can be easily undeleted for that purpose). --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 06:09, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
{{ping|SD0001}} For some reason [[:User:Nyttend]] is being struck through instead of having dotted lines by the gadget. [[User:Aaron Liu|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:#0645ad">Aaron Liu</span>]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu#top|talk]]) 23:43, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
:Found them: [[Nottinghamshire v Kent 20-23 May 2005]] and [[Hampshire v Glamorgan 20-23 May 2005]] ([{{fullurl:Frizzell County Championship Division One in 2005|oldid=24057388&action=edit}}]). If you want to see the whole debate, you can start at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cricket matches articles]]. --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 06:16, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:(I didn't ping Nyttend.) [[User:Aaron Liu|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:#0645ad">Aaron Liu</span>]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu#top|talk]]) 23:43, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
::Not familiar with this gadget. Scroll up to "PBLOCK from deleted page" if you're curious what's going on; the page from which I've been partially blocked has since been deleted, and the block functionally isn't there anymore. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 23:47, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
:::Well, hard to verify since Nyttend's fully blocked now. Seems to be working ok for other partially-blocked users I've spot-checked ([[Special:Redirect/logid/105355682|example]]). —[[User:Cryptic|Cryptic]] 00:03, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
:::: You'd need to find a user partially-blocked from a deleted page. The target page for a partial block is saved by <code>page_id</code> (rather than say <code>linktarget.lt_id</code>, <small>although I think that wouldn't follow renames</small>), so if the page is deleted (and therefore <code>page.page_id</code> doesn't exist anymore) MediaWiki tends to get confused by the lack. I looked up [[Special:Redirect/logid/133734135|an arbitrary such block]], and [[Special:ApiSandbox#action=query&format=json&list=blocks&formatversion=2&bkusers=Ron+Hevener&bklimit=max&bkprop=id%7Cuser%7Cby%7Ctimestamp%7Cexpiry%7Creason%7Cflags%7Crestrictions|the list=blocks API request made by the gadget]] returns empty "restrictions" (same as for a non-partial block) because it can't find the title to report. [[Special:BlockList/Ron Hevener|Special:BlockList]] also gets confused, showing no parameters at all, while <span class="plainlinks">[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Block/Ron_Hevener&id=15167233 Special:Block]</span> (to edit the block) does select "partial" but doesn't show any pages. [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 00:48, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
:::::And the script checks if items exist in the restrictions array to see if the block is partial. Would be an easy fix to switch to using the "partial" boolean instead—I'm guessing that part of the response didn't exist when the script was being written. [[User:Aaron Liu|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:#0645ad">Aaron Liu</span>]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu#top|talk]]) 00:53, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
:::Well, when I encountered the issue, the pblock target page still existed. Or probably was recreated, since it currently has the exact same contents I saw it had. [[User:Aaron Liu|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:#0645ad">Aaron Liu</span>]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu#top|talk]]) 00:49, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
:::: Probably re-created. But the partial block was probably for page_id 80932746 while the re-creation has page_id 80938036, so the partial block still didn't match it. [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 00:56, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
=== PBLOCKs and <code>unblockself</code> ===
== CANT upload a picture!! ==
I've just ascertained that it's possible to unblock yourself from partial blocks. Train of thought/experimentation:
halow!!
{{collapse top}}
i totallyyyy cannoottt upload a pikk!!!
*I was PBLOCKed from [[User:Nyttend/testrjehtunrinetdngrm]], so I couldn't do anything to it
whats with the lisence thing, i just cant figure it out!!!
*Someone else deleted the page
*I found myself able to recreate and then edit the page
*I un-PBLOCKed myself
**This was surprising, but since the PBLOCK already wasn't effective (see discussion with Pppery above), I thought perhaps the system ignored the unblockself for some reason
*Later, I was PBLOCKed from the same page
*Immediately afterward, when I was still unable to edit the page, I unblocked myself.
**This was surprising, since there was no reason to suppose that the system was ignoring the unblockself for some reason.
All of these blocks were at my request!
{{collapse bottom}}
Is this behaviour intended? The <code>unblockself</code> permission was finally removed a few years ago as a security measure, thanks to our long memory of self-unblocking rogue admins like Robdurbar ([[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2007-04-23/Robdurbar|details]]), so I'm surprised that it's possible to un-PBLOCK yourself. But on the other hand, I can see that it's not as critical of a matter, since PBLOCKs are intended for people who aren't creating general disruption, and anyone truly gone rogue will get a traditional side-wide block, not just a PBLOCK.
I'd just like to see either confirmation that this is intended, or someone raising a ticket to get it fixed if it's not intended. Thanks! [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 10:45, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
can sum1 plzzz plzz plzzzzzz give me simple understandable directions??
: Looks like self-unblocks of partial blocks are specifically allowed, with reference to [[phab:T208965]]. More specifically, if an admin has a sitewide block active, they can't block/unblock unless (1) it was a self-block and they're modifying that, (2) they have unblockself and are modifying a block of themself, or (3) they're trying to modify the block of the admin that blocked them (the intention being that a rogue admin who surprise-blocks all other admins can still be blocked, then Stewards can sort it out). [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 13:04, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks for finding that! No longer concerned that there's a bug in the system. (I know we shouldn't generally report security vulnerabilities publicly, but if this were a vulnerability, it wouldn't be a common problem at all.) If you'd just pointed me to that ticket, I would have been a bit confused; thanks for explaining it. On that let-the-stewards-sort-it-out bit — so if I block you, you're able to block me? Or are you merely able to modify an existing block that someone else placed on me? [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 20:13, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, if you were to block me then I could still block you back, but I couldn't block anyone else. [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 22:25, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
== Odd glitch ==
i tried to fix it but it all got muddled up( like me!!)
plz help me put here. thnks!!
Hoping that someone can help, at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Aircraft/New articles]] the current month section header is appearing outside the TOC, where the non-transcluded version at [[Wikipedia:New articles (Aircraft)]] appears normal. This started earlier this year and I can't trace any edits that could have caused it. I'm not very familiar with transclusions and suspect that something in that process is causing it, cheers. [[User:Nimbus227|Nimbus]] [[User talk:Nimbus227|<span style="color:#2F4F4F;">(Cumulus</span> <span style="color:#708090;">nimbus</span> <span style="color:#A9A9A9 ;">floats by)</span>]] 18:36, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
tulika {{unsigned|Tulika 99|00:10, 3 July 2006}}
:{{ping|Nimbus227}} Fixed by [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:New_articles_(Aircraft)&diff=prev&oldid=1308826851]. {{tl|transcluded}} in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Aircraft/New articles]] removed whitespace before the heading and placed it on an existing line. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 18:51, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
: I'll take this to your talk page, you've run into more of a copyright snaggle than a technical problem. --[[User:IMeowbot|iMeowbot]]~[[User talk:IMeowbot|Meow]] 04:44, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
::Excellent, thanks very much. Not sure what changed to require that extra code, matters not as it's working fine now. [[User:Nimbus227|Nimbus]] [[User talk:Nimbus227|<span style="color:#2F4F4F;">(Cumulus</span> <span style="color:#708090;">nimbus</span> <span style="color:#A9A9A9 ;">floats by)</span>]] 19:05, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
:::It probably happened in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ATranscluded&diff=next&oldid=1271310859] by [[User:Waddie96|Waddie96]]. <code>#if</code> strips whitespace from the beginning and end of the parameters. [[Wikipedia:New articles (Aircraft)]] had a newline before the heading but it was stripped by <code>#if</code> when there was no longer something before it. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 19:26, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
== We're considering changing a Lua module ==
== Commercial links ==
We are considering a change to '''{{tl|Pagelist}}'''. Currently, it doesn't use [[Serial comma|serial (Oxford) commas]] when there are 3 or more items in a list. For [[Template talk:Pagelist#Use the serial comma by default|various reasons]], it could benefit from using it by default, and a parameter could be created to allow editors to turn it off manually. The testcases where this should be tested is at [[Template:Pagelist/testcases]]. The discussion is at ''{{sectionlink|Template_talk:Pagelist#Actually_implementing_it}}.'' (rewritten on 13:20, 1 September 2025 (UTC)) [[User:FaviFake|FaviFake]] ([[User talk:FaviFake|talk]]) 21:29, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
I'm repeating this question as I haven't yet had a useful response. I seem to be coming across more and more WP articles with blatant advertising links. I've read through [[WP:LOP]] and [[WP:NOT]] but I haven't been able to find any specific policy on this. Surely purely advertising links that don't contain encyclopedic information should be removed? I would like to be able to cite WP policy before launching a purge.--[[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]] 09:50, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:Probably better asked at [[Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)]] --[[User:Daduzi|<font color="Brown">'''Daduzi'''</font>]] [[User talk:Daduzi|<font color="Green"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 10:11, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:Better yet, try asking at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Spam]]. [[User:SB Johnny|SB Johnny]] 10:14, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:You're moving too fast again, and you might break things. First, I wouldn't say there's consensus for the change. And we don't need help changing the code of the module. I'd be happy to do that, writing the code is the easy part. What we do need is more eyes to look at the details, and to look for template uses that might break if we implement this change. — [[User:Chrisahn|Chrisahn]] ([[User talk:Chrisahn|talk]]) 22:39, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. Found the answer at [[Wikipedia:Spam]].--[[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]] 11:22, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
::{{tq|1=I wouldn't say there's consensus for the change}}<br>I thought you did?{{pb}}{{tq2|Soo... this means this consensus among 2-3(-4?) people with no opposition should be enough. Should I go ahead and reinstate the ER? [[User:FaviFake|FaviFake]] ([[User talk:FaviFake|talk]]) [[Template talk:Pagelist#c-FaviFake-20250830124100-Chrisahn-20250830123800|2 days ago]]<dl><dd>Yeah, sounds good to me. — [[User:Chrisahn|Chrisahn]] ([[User talk:Chrisahn|talk]]) [[Template talk:Pagelist#c-Chrisahn-20250830124700-FaviFake-20250830124100|2 days ago]]}}</dd></dl>{{pb}}I must've also misunderstood your comment about the complexity of the code. I've changed my message. [[User:FaviFake|FaviFake]] ([[User talk:FaviFake|talk]]) 13:17, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
::My comments may not have been clear enough. Or maybe I changed my mind, I'm not sure anymore... In the meantime, I've found other ideas to improve the template. See [[Template talk:Pagelist#More options]]. Thoughts and opinions welcome! — [[User:Chrisahn|Chrisahn]] ([[User talk:Chrisahn|talk]]) 15:41, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
== Detailed Gazetteer of Hungary ==
== Adding a custom infobox to articles ==
The population part of the infobox of [[Abaújalpár]] (and hundreds of other Hungarian towns) looks like this:
I made [[Template:Infobox Northern Irish ___location]] for use in Northern Irish locations. ([[Gilnahirk]] for an example) but I don't know how to incorporate it into my articles! Can someone help me here?
<code><nowiki>| population_footnotes = {{wikidata|reference|P1082}}</nowiki><br/>
It's not any normal one too - I may have made it incorrectly, but I am custom making that one to support the [[Template:Location map]] feature, so I am hoping to have the ability to add the lat and lon like;
<nowiki>| population_as_of = {{wikidata|qualifier|P1082|P585}}</nowiki><br/>
<nowiki>
<nowiki>| population_total = {{wikidata|property|raw|P1082|P585}}</nowiki></code>
lat = x.xx
lon = x.xx
</nowiki>
This yields <code>''Detailed Gazetteer of Hungary''. 23 September 2024 https://www.ksh.hu/apps/hntr.telepules?p_lang=EN&p_id=15662. Retrieved 23 September 2024. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)</code>.
Thanks. --[[User:Dom0803|Dom0803]] 12:29, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:Is there some reason [[template:Infobox City]] won't do (the map with a locator dot can be put into the infobox)? There's an effort underway to standardize on this template for all city articles within Wikipedia. -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 16:08, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
In this case, it should pull the name of the town as the title. Is there an elegant way to fix these? [[User:Snowman304|'''Snowman304''']]'''|'''[[User talk:Snowman304|'''talk''']] 21:44, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
::Well the infobox I created isn't for city's as such - or at all really. It was created intentionally for use in articles for towns and villages and the like. Apart from anything I'm doing it for the education. --[[User:Dom0803|Dom0803]] 13:59, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
:In [[:d:Q305731]] there is a reference for the "population" statement made on 1 January 2024. Expand it. There you'll find the above reference. Click the edit button for the whole statement. Add the title of the article in that reference using the correct property (I think [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q305731&diff=2398925111&oldid=2390791210 I selected the right one]). 'Tis fixed now for that article.
== Table conversion ==
:Alternatively, ditch the Wikidata reference here and use a local one. Your choice. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 23:23, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
== Explore screen stuck on Athens ==
<s>I use Excel to create tables because of the may, many advantages using Excel provides. However, the HTML table that Excel builds is extremely large due to the details Excel utilizes. I need a way to convert some tables which are very sophisticated to Wikipedia markup. Is there a software available that I can use to do this conversion?</s> Never mind found it! <small> ...[[User:Pce3@ij.net|IMHO]] ([[User talk:Pce3@ij.net|Talk]])</small> 13:22, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Hello! I'm currently in the Detroit area, but Wikipedia Places is showing Athens. Recently it was showing locations in Poland. This seems to be related to recent searches on both Athens and Poland. How can I restore my true ___location?
== Reporting a possible copyright violation -- can't figure out code ==
Thanks in advance! [[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:846A:190:5480:100D:5DA5:3F44|2600:1700:846A:190:5480:100D:5DA5:3F44]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:846A:190:5480:100D:5DA5:3F44|talk]]) 23:33, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
:What is Wikipedia Places? [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 23:53, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
The instructions on the Template message say to go to go to Wikipedia Problems page and paste in:
::On the Explore page, there's a section that shows "nearby places": that's what I'm referring to. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:846A:190:5480:100D:5DA5:3F44|2600:1700:846A:190:5480:100D:5DA5:3F44]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:846A:190:5480:100D:5DA5:3F44|talk]]) 23:59, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
:<nowiki>* {{subst:article-cv|Template messages/Maintenance}} from [http://example.org]. ~~~~</nowiki>
:your ___location in places (part of the Wikipedia mobile application) is determined by the ___location that your phone is able to determine. Can you check in the settings if your application has granted permissions to retrieve ___location ? Without those permissions, ti will likely show the ___location of the last search you made. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 11:07, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
== Compatibility of gadgets, scripts, bots, and edit filters with temp accounts ==
However, after I do that, I don't know what else to do. I know how to substitute the URL for example.org. But after that, I get it wrong. I usually end up with Template messages/Maintenance in red. And the (history - last edit) is either missing or (if it is there) it doesn't link to the article I am reporting.
Hello, I'd like to ask you to make sure that gadgets, scripts, bots, and Edit Filter are compatible with [[Wikipedia:Temporary accounts|temporary accounts]].
I usually end up having to copy someone else's entry and then figuring out how to substitute my own report into it.
Temporary accounts are already active on many large Wikipedias - almost all the top 20 by the size of the active community. Stewards, global sysops, some CheckUsers, as well as AbuseFilter helpers and maintainers and many others have been interacting with them since late October 2024. This means that many tools (particularly the global ones) have already been updated.
What is the secret? [[User:KarenAnn|KarenAnn]] 18:53, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Soon we'll need to discuss the deployment of temp accounts here. This topic is NOT about that. Step zero, a purely technical one, is to check the compatibility. Please [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust_and_Safety_Product/Temporary_Accounts/For_developers|read our documentation for developers]] (in particular, the section on [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust_and_Safety_Product/Temporary_Accounts/For_developers#How_should_I_update_my_code?|how your code might need to be updated]]) and check if the code you maintain is compatible. Thank you! [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 08:38, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
:Don't look at the code from the Templale messages page, copy it from the tag that you have placed on the article. [[User:Kotepho|Kotepho]] 19:16, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
== Search function malfunction on mobile ==
== download bot ==
The search suggestions dropdown list below the search term does not appear or update until I press spacebar or directly copy-paste something. This used to happen about a year ago but something changed in the system and the problem got fixed. Now it is back.
Is there a bot I can use to download the text of all my contributions - even those that have been archived? <small> ...[[User:Pce3@ij.net|IMHO]] ([[User talk:Pce3@ij.net|Talk]])</small> 23:40, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Confirmed affected sites: en.m.wikipedia.org, en.m.wiktionary.org
*In the alternative what is the best method of downloading or otherwise obtaining a copy of all contributions you have made? <small> ...[[User:Pce3@ij.net|IMHO]] ([[User talk:Pce3@ij.net|Talk]])</small> 05:09, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Phone model: OnePlus 3, operating system: Android 9 / OxygenOS 9.0.6, browser: Firefox 142.0.1
== Custom Signature ==
The search works on Google Chrome browser. I did not test other browsers. [[User:Aloysius Jr|Aloysius Jr]] ([[User talk:Aloysius Jr|talk]]) 11:37, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
How do I modify my signature so that it appears like [[User:Draicone/Signature]]?
:It works on Safari iOS. Could be a browser issue perhaps ? Anyone willing to test a few more situations on Android ? —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 14:03, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
:Please at least trim the code first; it's currently FIVE lines long, with a huge amount of redundant code. --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 02:01, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
:: It fails for me on Firefox 142.01 ''and'' Chrome 139.0.7258.158 (and the Samsung native browser). Samsung S23, Android 15. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 14:21, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
:Reported 4 months ago at [[phab:T393819]] [[User:Ponor|Ponor]] ([[User talk:Ponor|talk]]) 05:21, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
:: Thank you. [[User:Aloysius Jr|Aloysius Jr]] ([[User talk:Aloysius Jr|talk]]) 11:15, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
== Tech News: 2025-36 ==
::I've taken a crack at [[User talk:Draicone/Signature|shortening]] it, but it still would be nice if you could shrink it down more. That sig code will get substituted into every post you sign, so it's irritating when it takes up that much space in the edit window. ~ [[User:Booyabazooka|Booya <sup>Bazooka</sup>]] 07:14, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
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:To change your signature, modify your [[Special:Preferences|preferences]], choose 'Raw signature', and put the sig code in the 'Signature' box. Please take note of the size issue first, though. ~ [[User:Booyabazooka|Booya <sup>Bazooka</sup>]] 07:14, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/36|Translations]] are available.
'''Weekly highlight'''
== NUMBEROF PAGESINNS ==
* The Editing team wants to compile a list of templates, jargon terms, and policies used in edit summaries when a copyright violation is removed. This will help them identify the number of edits reverted due to copyright issues. We invite community members from the following Wikis to list these terms in [[Phab:T402601|T402601]], or to share their list with [[User:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek_(WMF)]]: {{int:project-localized-name-arwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-cswiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-dewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-enwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-eswiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-fawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-frwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-hewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-idwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-itwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-jawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-nlwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-plwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-ptwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-trwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-ukwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-viwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-zhwiki/en}}. This project is open until September 9th 2025.
'''Updates for editors'''
The syntax for the NUMBEROF variables was simplified, the "raw" qualifier is now separated with a colon instead of a vertical bar (aka ''pipe''<small> </small>).
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]] has been enabled for all Wikisources. The extension makes it easier to organize and participate in collaborative activities, like edit-a-thons and WikiProjects, on the wikis. The extension has three features: [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event Center/Registration|Event Registration]], [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Collaboration list|Collaboration List]], and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Connection Team/Invitation list|Invitation List]]. To request the extension for your wiki, visit the Deployment information page. [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CampaignEvents/Deployment_status#How_to_Request_the_CampaignEvents_Extension_for_your_wiki]
See also [[Help:Variable]] with links '''maybe''' helping to find broken usages of the old format.
* The lists in the footer of the editing interface, such as "Templates used on this page," will now be organized into columns when there is enough space. This enhancement minimizes scrolling when editing lengthy articles on Wikipedia. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T401066]
* On September 3rd, 2025 we will increase the sampling percentages of our [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Moderator Tools/Watchlist/Experiment#Scope of the experiment|group by toggle experiment]] of the <code>Special:RecentChanges</code>, <code>Special:Watchlist</code>, and <code>Special:RelatedChanges</code> pages on the Chinese, French, and Portuguese Wikipedias to 100 percent, allowing more editors to be part of this experiment. This adjustment is intended to ensure we have sufficient data to make informed decisions when evaluating the experiment results. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T402958][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T396789]
* Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users will see suggestions of articles for further reading on English Wikipedia beginning the week of September 22. The feature will be available on both desktop and mobile. All non-English wikis received this change in June and July. The goal is to make it easier for users to find articles. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments/Search Suggestions|Learn more]].
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:37}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:37|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]].
'''Updates for technical contributors'''
In theory this also affects PAGESINNS and PAGESINNAMESPACE, but these magic words were disabled, see [[m:Help:Magic words|Help:Magic words]]. The new magic word mentioned on [[WP:BRION]]
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.17|MediaWiki]]
is not yet documented. The purpose of the old magic word <tt>raw:</tt> is still {{unclear}}. -- [[User:Omniplex|Omniplex]] 03:54, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
'''In depth'''
=== AllowSlowParserFunctions ===
* Wikifunctions now has a new capability called "lightweight enumeration types", an enumeration type is simply a fixed set of values that's in the type's definition. This capability makes it quick and easy to define such a type, and allows for the reuse of values that are already present in Wikidata. Here is [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2025-07-19|a newsletter]] to learn more.
* The latest [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Newsletter updates#August 2025: Newsletter #1|Readers Newsletter]] is now available. This edition includes: the formation of two new teams — Reader Growth and Reader Experience; insights into declining pageviews and account creations; highlights from the Wikimania Nairobi panel on improving the reading experience; upcoming experiments to engage new and existing readers; and more.
'''Meetings and events'''
Background [[m:Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#PAGESINNS|here]], if {{h:mwg|AllowSlowParserFunctions}} is relevant, how about "exporting" it to the [[Help:MediaWiki namespace|MediaWiki namespace]] for easy access without "bug a dev" procedure? Or the opposite approach, kill that setting plus PAGESINNS if it's too horrible. At the moment it's in limbo, in theory nice to have, in practice not essential. -- [[User:Omniplex|Omniplex]] 14:52, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
* Spotlight on some Wikimania 2025 Sessions:
** Identifying AI-generated text by searching for ISBNs whose checksums fail: Mathias Schindler of WMDE [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw9o8Lsl974&t=15910s shared tools to help communities search for these].
** [https://wikimedia.eventyay.com/talk/wikimania2025/talk/TCHZKH/ La durabilité du mouvement Wikimedia face aux défis actuels et futurs]: This session explored how Wikimedia can stay a trusted source of knowledge in the age of generative AI, information overload, and disinformation.
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== Image doesn't show in File links section of image page ==
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[[:Image:WoW Box Art.jpg]] shows no files linking to it. However, it is linked from [[World of Warcraft]]. Why doesn't this show? I was just about to tag it for speedy deletion as an orphaned image. __[[User:Meco|meco]] 10:36, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
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: There's definitely a link there now, did you do anything in the meantime? --[[User:IMeowbot|iMeowbot]]~[[User talk:IMeowbot|Meow]] 10:51, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
== Watchlist ==
== Automatically subst: user name ==
Why has my watchlist changed to point form? [[User:Hawkeye7|<span style="color:#800082">Hawkeye7</span>]] [[User_talk:Hawkeye7|<span style="font-size:80%">(discuss)</span>]] 02:04, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
Is there any variable whose value is the name of the user? I'd like to generate it in [[Template:Prod]] in order to automatically produce the name of the user who tagged the article, and I'd prefer not to use <nowiki>~~~</nowiki> because the signature might contain a lot of extra code and might not close all its tags properly. ([[User:Paolo Liberatore|Liberatore]], [[User talk:Paolo Liberatore|2006]]). 11:55, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
:{{ping|Hawkeye7}} If you mean that no entries have a triangle to show multiple changes then enable "Group changes by page in recent changes and watchlist" at [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rc]] and "Expand watchlist to show all changes, not just the most recent" at [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-watchlist]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 07:28, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
:There isn't one, according to [[m:Help:Magic words]]. -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 13:13, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
:They're running an experiment, see [[phab:T396789]]. – [[User:SD0001|<span style="font-weight: bold; color: #C30">SD0001</span>]] ([[User talk:SD0001|talk]]) 07:45, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:SD0001|SD0001]] This experiment isn't running on enwiki, so Hawkeye's UI is unrelated to this ticket. [[User:Samwalton9|'''S'''am '''W'''alton]] ([[User talk:Samwalton9|talk]]) 08:11, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
== How do I help improve Wikipedia's dark mode experience? ==
== reclaiming deleted articles ==
I'm sure this has been asked many tiems before, but...
As a dark mode Wikipedian I regularly see lots of templates and boxes that don't really respect dark mode. An example is [[WP:TFA]], where there is a significant amount of unreadable text ([[commons:File:Wikipedia-Today-s-Featured-Article-2025-09-02.png|screenshot]] taken on desktop mode Waterfox 6.6.2 on Linux/KDE). '''How do I help make those boxes and stuff display correctly in dark mode?'''
A list article was deleted, with the major argument being that it was redundant to a category. This is untrue as there is no similar category. I'd be happy to create it, but I don't know what was on the list. Is there any way for anyone to see the deleted article? -[[User:Freekee|Freekee]] 20:13, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
:admins can - but to redo a deleted article you need to go to [[WP:VFU]] first otherwise it'll be speedy deleted. also, if the argument was "redundant to a category" then it would make more sense to make the category than to remake the list wouldnt it? <small><i><font color="#990000">[[User:BL Lacertae|BL Lacertae]]</font> - <font color="#555555">[[User talk:BL Lacertae|kiss the lizard]]</font></i></small> 23:13, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
::I don't think Freekee means to undelete the article permanently, only temporarily so that he can add all the listed articles to a new category. If the list is very long, maybe there's a [[Wikipedia:Bots|bot]] that could help him? <sub><s>Seahen</s></sub>[[User:NeonMerlin|<span style="background-color:#000000;color:#ff0000">Neon</span>]][[User talk:NeonMerlin|<span style="background-color:#00ff00;color:#000000">Merlin</span>]] 23:31, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I know there's a "report an issue with dark mode" button already, but I want to try fixing dark mode errors myself if possible. I consider myself familiar enough with HTML and CSS (flexbox, <code>@media</code> queries, etc.) to be able to help. However, I'm not really sure how to apply those skills in here, and [[WP:DARK]] doesn't seem to cover fixing dark mode issues. Any help would be appreciated; thanks in advance!
== Initials not working properly in IE 6 ==
(I was [[User talk:NOTAROBOT1101#How do I improve Wikipedia's dark mode experience?|directed here]] by User:Pigsonthewing; thanks!)
<p style="vertical-align: text-top;"><div style="font-size: 400%; line-height: 75%; float: left; vertical-align: text-top; font-family: serif">A</div>t the [[Initial]] article, the examples do not render correctly in [[Internet Explorer]] 6 for Windows. Could someone please try to fix them so they render in IE the way they currently render in [[Mozilla Firefox]] 1.5.0.4? Also, in both browsers, there is an extra paragraph break above the drop cap, which I think was added by MediaWiki; could someone remove it please? <sub><s>Seahen</s></sub>[[User:NeonMerlin|<span style="background-color:#000000;color:#ff0000">Neon</span>]][[User talk:NeonMerlin|<span style="background-color:#00ff00;color:#000000">Merlin</span>]] 23:28, 4 July 2006 (UTC)</p>
[[User:NOTAROBOT1101|NOTAROBOT1101]] ([[User talk:NOTAROBOT1101|talk]]) 08:00, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
== Don't know which license to use for image ==
:@[[User:NOTAROBOT1101|NOTAROBOT1101]]: These pages/their talk pages/software were helpful to me: [https://mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Accessibility_for_reading] [https://mediawiki.org/wiki/Recommendations_for_night_mode_compatibility_on_Wikimedia_wikis] [https://github.com/wikimedia/color-contrast-checker] — [[User:Ponor|Ponor]] ([[User talk:Ponor|talk]]) 09:08, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
Needing a good portrait of the subject of a Wikipedia article, I e-mailed him personally with the request. He responded with a few high quality jpegs to use for this purpose. Now, I don't know which license tag to use for the images. Any help please? Thanks [[User:Sapientia abhorreo imprudentia|<font color="#CCCCCC" face="times new roman"><i><sub>si</sub></i><font size="4"><strong>»</strong><font color="#999999" size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong><span style="font-variant:small-caps">abhorreo</span></strong></font><strong>»</strong></font></font>]][[User_talk:Sapientia_abhorreo_imprudentia|<sup>T</sup>]] 02:55, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
:That particular page is missing html.skin-theme-clientpref-os on [[Wikipedia:Today's_featured_article/styles.css]]. Copy line 49-66 to an text editor, replace html.skin-theme-clientpref-night with html.skin-theme-clientpref-os and replace "@media screen {" with "@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme: dark) {" . Paste that to the end of the css page. That will fix it. [[User:Snævar|Snævar]] ([[User talk:Snævar|talk]]) 12:26, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
:He needs to state explicitly that he releases them under a free for any purpose license, including the creation of derivative works and commercial uses without further permission. Typically, on Wikipedia, this is the [[WP:GFDL|Gnu Free Documentation License]], but images are permitted under the [[Creative Commons]] licenses as long as they are the kind that allow commercial use and derivation. This particular case is confused somewhat if you specifically asked for use on Wikipedia and he granted that without having been told about the terms required or licensing them himself. Probably, it is not good enough in that case, and another email exchanged would be better.
::cc {{U|Matrix}} because you forgot or didn't know. :^) [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 16:12, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
:Once you have such an email, upload the images using whichever tag is appropriate to the free license used (probably simply {{tl|GFDL}} or {{tl|cc-by-sa}}, {{tl|cc-by-sa-2.0}} etc), with an additional note regarding sourcing and licensing on the image page. Also, email a copy of his emails to the Foundation at permissions dot wikimedia dot org so that the Foundation has a piece of notpaper to wave around if it comes to it.
:::I forgot, thanks for reminding me! Fixed it. —'''[[User:Matrix|Matrix]]''' <sub>ping me</sub><sup>when u reply</sup> ([[User talk:Matrix|t?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|<sub></sub>c]]) 16:15, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
:Unless the copyright owner has made this kind of copyright statement, then such a tag should not be used. The best that could be claimed is [[fair use]] in a relevant article. -[[User:Splash|Splash]] - [[User talk:Splash|tk]] 03:07, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
::Thanks, I didn't notice the styles.css import at the top of the TFA source! Also, is there a way to preview CSS changes? Clicking on "Show Preview" in the styles.css page only showed a preview of the CSS file display instead of the actual page, which doesn't seem to be very helpful. Do I have to use Chrome DevTools and file overrides for this, or is there a simpler method? Thanks in advance! [[User:NOTAROBOT1101|NOTAROBOT1101]] ([[User talk:NOTAROBOT1101|talk]]) 16:42, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
:::If you were in template namespace or module namespace, there is a "preview other page with this change". Since you're not in this case, the only way to preview is to use the console, yes. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 16:55, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
:{{tq|WP:DARK doesn't seem to cover fixing dark mode issues}} We should fix that also. Ponor's links are a good start for possible additions. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 16:13, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|NOTAROBOT1101}} [[mw:Recommendations for night mode compatibility on Wikimedia wikis]] is a good start —'''[[User:Matrix|Matrix]]''' <sub>ping me</sub><sup>when u reply</sup> ([[User talk:Matrix|t?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|<sub></sub>c]]) 16:18, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
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