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The result was '''no result, subseded by a later [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Esoteric programming languages|AfD]]'''; this AfD has been abandoned for too long to be able to close with a result. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 12:56, 12 September 2006 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
===Esoteric programming language related===
:''To conserve space on the main VfD page, the individual votes for each of the 74 articles have been move to [[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Esoteric programming language related/Detail|this subpage]].''
There seems to be a whole bunch of so called [[Esoteric programming language]] that found its way into wikipedia over time. Personally I think most of them are rubbish and nothing more than a (lame) joke, except maybe [[Befunge]], [[Brainfuck]], [[False]], [[Intercal]], [[Malbolge]], [[Unlambda]], and [[Shakespeare (programming language)|Shakespeare programming language]] (see [[Template:Esolangs]]). I apologize to the community for listing them all on VfD at the same time, especially since the VfD already has a very heavy load, but I see no other way to clean out this mess. By putting them all in one sub page [[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Esoteric programming language related]] I hope to speed up the deletion process. Also, if some of you think some articles could be "[[Speedy Deleted]]", be my guest. Thank you -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
* '''Delete'''. Delete 'em ALL!!! Good grief. I did enjoy [[TMMLPTEALPAITAFNFAL]], though. New variables and commands for every day of the century. Employers must be screaming for this skill. [[User:Terrapin|Terrapin]] 14:27, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' or '''Merge''' (sans examples) all but '''Var'aq''', '''False programming language'''. [[User:Anárion|{]][[User_talk:Anárion|ΑνάριονΑνάριον]][[Anárion|}]] 15:03, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. By the way, the google search results are skewed. An extreme example:
*:251 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "HQ9+"''
*:7 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "C Plus Plus" "esoteric programming language"''
*::[[User:Cyp|ΚσυπΚσυπ ''Cyp'']] [[User talk:Cyp| ]] 15:15, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
** I removed your addition of "C Plus Plus" from the list... this is confusing enough without joke listings. ;-) [[User:Benc|• Benc]][[User_talk:Benc| •]] 18:28, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[List of esoteric programming languages]]====
'''Delete''' list-article, most significant examples are mentioned in the article [[Esoteric programming language]]. For the individual entries see below. -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Could be made into a category, though, I presume. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Hello world program in esoteric languages]]====
Are we a source code depository? Look at it, shake your head, and then '''Delete'''! -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. There's no reason to delete it, at all. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[23 programming language]]====
2 hits for [http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=-wikipedia+-thefreedictionary+%22Twenty-Three%22+%22+esoteric+programming+language%22&btnG=Search -wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Twenty-Three" " esoteric programming language"]. SubStub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there are no size constraints, and there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[4DL programming language]]====
16 hits on 7 sites for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "4DL" " esoteric programming language"''. Substub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[ALPACA programming language]]====
4 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "ALPACA programming language"'' Stub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Argh!]]====
17 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Argh programming language"''. Substub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Aura programming language]]====
11 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Aura programming language"''. Stub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[BAK programming language]]====
26 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "BAK programming language"''. Substub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[BDAMD]]====
40 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "BDAMD programming language"''. Stub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Beatnik programming language]]====
19 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Beatnik programming language"''. Substub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Befreak programming language]]====
30 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Befreak programming language"''. Substub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Befunge]]====
'''Keep''': 272 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Befunge programming language"''. Actually seems to be one of the more important languages with some historical significance. -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Blank programming language]]====
15 google hit for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Blank programming language"''. Substub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Bloop programming language]]====
15 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Bloop programming language"''. Substub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Bon programming language]]====
65 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Bon programming language"''. Substub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Brainfuck]]====
'''Keep''': 750 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Brainfuck programming language"''. Seems to be a more established and significant language. -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Brainfork programming language]]====
15 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Brainfork programming language"''. Stub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Bubble programming language]]====
11 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Bubble programming language"''. Substub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Bullfrog programming language]]====
11 hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Bullfrog programming language"''. Substub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[C- programming language]]====
''C- ... This language was named for the grade received by its creator when he submitted it as a class project in a graduate programming class.'', and made it as a joke into a paper in 1982. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Chef programming language]]====
60 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Chef programming language"''. Stub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Choon]]====
5 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Choon" "esoteric programming language"''. Substub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Condit programming language]]====
25 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Condit programming language"''. Stub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[COW programming language]]====
26 hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "COW programming language"''. Stub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[C Plus Plus programming language]]====
7 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "C Plus Plus" "esoteric programming language"''. Too obscure. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Cyp|Κσυπ ''Cyp'']] [[User talk:Cyp| ]] 15:15, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[DOGO programming language]]====
17 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "DOGO programming language"''. Invented as a joke. Stub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Doublefuck programming language]]====
27 Google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Doublefuck programming language"''. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[ETA programming language]]====
70 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "ETA programming language"''. Stub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[False programming language]]====
'''Keep'': 213 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "False programming language"''. Seems to be a bit more significant in a historic context. -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
*Keep. [[User:Anárion|{]][[User_talk:Anárion|Ανάριον]][[Anárion|}]] 13:19, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[FIFTH programming language]]====
30 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "FIFTH programming language"''. Invented as ajoke and spoof. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Floop programming language]]====
20 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Floop programming language"''. Created as a demonstration by a purlitzer price winner. Stub. Weak '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Fromage programming language]]====
28 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Fromage programming language"''. Substub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Gammaplex]]====
3 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Gammaplex programming language" ''. Substub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[GOTO plus plus]]====
6 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "GOTO plus plus programming language" ''. Substub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[HQ9 Plus]]====
0 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "HQ9 Plus" "esoteric programming language" ''. Joke. '''Delete'''. -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[INTERCAL programming language]]====
'''Keep''': 844 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "INTERCAL programming language" ''. Seems to be more significant in a historic context -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Iota and Jot programming languages]]====
0 google hits for '' -wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Iota and Jot programming language"''. Substub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Java2K]]====
2 google hits for '' -wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Java2K programming language"''. Substub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Kipple programming language]]====
197 google hits for '' -wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Kipple programming language"''. '''Weak Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Kvikkalkul programming language]]====
42 google hits for '' -wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Kvikkalkul programming language"''. Supposedly created by the swedish Navy in 1950, Joke from 1994. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[L programming language]]====
209 google hits for '' -wikipedia -thefreedictionary "l programming language"''. Substub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[L33t programming language]]====
23 google hits for '' -wikipedia -thefreedictionary "L33t programming language"''. ''' Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Lambda programming language]]====
45 google hits for '' -wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Lambda programming language"''. Substub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[LAIDBACK]]====
23 google hits for '' -wikipedia -thefreedictionary "LAIDBACK programming language"''. Invented as a Joke. '''Delete'''. -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Lazy K programming language]]====
28 google hits for '' -wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Lazy K programming language"''. Stub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[LITHP programming language]]====
8 google hits for '' -wikipedia -thefreedictionary "LITHP programming language"''. Invented as a Joke. Stub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[L00P]]====
15 google hits for '' -wikipedia -thefreedictionary "L00P programming language"''. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Malbolge]]====
'''Weak Keep''': 24 google hits for '' -wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Malbolge programming language"'', but seems to be around for some time. -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Muriel]]====
1 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Muriel programming language" ''. Substub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Numberix]]====
69 google hits for '' -wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Numberix programming language"''. Substub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[OISC]]====
0 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "OISC programming language"''. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Ook]]====
51 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Ook programming language"''. [[brainfuck]] in Orang Utang language. '''Delete'''-- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Obfuna]]====
1 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Obfuna programming language"''. '''Weak Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Oroogu programming language]]====
26 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Oroogu programming language"''. Substub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[O xml]]====
48 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "O xml programming language"''. Sub-Sub-Substub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[PATH programming language]]====
290 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "PATH programming language"''. '''Weak Delete''' --[[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[QUOTE programming language]]====
62 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "QUOTE programming language"''. Stub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Sartre programming language]]====
25 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Sartre programming language"''. Invented as a joke. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Shakespeare programming language]]====
'''Keep''': 641 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Shakespeare programming language"''. May have gotten some populartiy due to its name. -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
*Delete. Zero actual use, maybe could be a footnote in a larger article. [[User:Anárion|{]][[User_talk:Anárion|Ανάριον]][[Anárion|}]] 13:19, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[SLOBOL programming language]]====
11 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "SLOBOL programming language"''. Invented as a Joke. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[SMITH programming language]]====
7 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "SMITH programming language"''. Substub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[SNUSP programming language]]====
25 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "SNUSP programming language"''. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Thue programming language]]====
10 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Thue programming language"''. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
* '''Keep all''' You know something is MASSIVELY wrong with either the nominator or with vfd if 74 articles are proposed for deletion all at once. Like ARGH!
====[[TMMLPTEALPAITAFNFAL]]====
*:Motivation: Computer languages are self selecting. If they don't work, they don't work and don't show up anywhere. Some esoteric computer langauges are more famous than others, but it doesn't hurt to have all of them on wikipedia. I'm somewhat strongly POV against vfd by now, and this kind of nomination doesn't do much to lower my blood pressure. I wish there was a speedy denomination procedure. (for obvioussly broken nominations such as this) :-( I'm going to stop doing vfd for a while now. Don't delete the entire wikipedia while I'm not watching? :-/ [[User:Kim Bruning|Kim Bruning]] 15:32, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
31 google hits for -wikipedia -thefreedictionary "TMMLPTEALPAITAFNFAL programming language"''. Actually it is not only one language, it is a new language for each day based on a unique-day-index. -- '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
*::FYI:'''Keep'''. WikipediaI islooked notat paper;all thereentries isat noleast reasontwice, toand notalso havevoted anto articleKEEP justsome becauseof thethem, topicbut itmost dealsare with is obscurerubbish. -- [[User:SchneelockeChris 73|SchneeChris 73]] 14[[User talk:22,Chris 2973|Talk]] 15:57, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
*:::If you don't think some of these articles should be deleted, why did you list them on VfD in the first place? That seems like an abuse of the VfD process to me, making speculative guesses about articles which someone else ''might'' think is worthy of deletion and then cluttering VfD up with polls to see if anyone does. If someone else thinks they're delete-worthy they can list them here themselves, and if you wanted to do random polling to prompt them you should probably have stuck to talk: pages. [[User:Bryan Derksen|Bryan]] 23:50, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
* Keep all but '''redirect''' where necessary to prevent them being recreated. Merge into the [[list of esoteric programming languages]] and delink them from there. Exceptions that should be kept as articles and not redirected include (but are not limited to) [[Brainfuck]], [[C Plus Plus programming language|C Plus Plus]], [[Iota and Jot programming languages|Iota and Jot]] (completely misleading Google search. [http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=iota%2Bjot+%22programming+language%22&btnG=Search&meta= iota+jot "programming language"] gets 292 and [http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=iota+%2B%22programming+language%22&btnG=Search&meta= iota +"programming language"] gets 1940 hits), [[L33t programming language|L33t]], [[Lambda programming language|Lambda]], [[PATH (programming language)|PATH]], [[OISC]], [[VALGOL programming language|VALGOL]] and [[Var'aq]] ([http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=Var%27aq+%2B%22programming+language%22&btnG=Search&meta= Var'aq +"programming language"] gets >17000 hits). I didn't check them all. I expect there are many more exceptions that these. [[User:Angela|Angela]][[user talk:Angela|.]] 16:08, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
====[[URISC]]====
0 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "URISC programming language"''. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': I would suggest that in most cases, we just want a redirect to [[List of esoteric programming languages]]; if the language has any actual significance, perhaps that page could include a link to the language's homepage. I don't see much point in including fictional languages at all, unless they have some cultural significance. BTW, having so many in the list is making it extremely difficult to submit a vote, due to edit conflicts. Please don't do that again. [[User:Securiger|Securiger]] 16:17, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Unlambda]]====
'''Keep''': 685 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Unlambda programming language"''. Seems to actually work and to have some significance. -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - I strongly object to deletion enthusiasts listing anything that they can't find on a Google search and then claiming it shouldn't be here. If it is real, verifiable, neutral, keep it. You have no idea whether this is useful to others. [[User:Mark Richards|Mark Richards]] 16:46, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[VALGOL programming language]]====
23 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "VALGOL programming language"''. Invented as a joke. " '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*'''Merge and Redirect''' all except ones listed by Chris73 to [[list of esoteric programming languages]]. I'm in partial agreement with Kim. VfD has some great uses and is definitely necessary, but this is a little overboard. 70+ VfD's all at once? Did this not indicate to you that perhaps talking in the Village Pump or starting a poll might have been better? -[[User:Vina|Vina]] 16:56, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Var'aq]]====
30 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Var'aq programming language"''. Klingon programming language. Substub. "''. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
*I *strongly* disagree with [[Schnee]], who seems to feel that nothing should ever be deleted ever from Wikipedia, no matter how obscure. '''Delete''' all but the following because of obscurity:
*Keep. While a joke programming language, this one is notable even if only in a small group of users — I've heard of it before. [[User:Anárion|{]][[User_talk:Anárion|Ανάριον]][[Anárion|}]] 12:11, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
**Befunge
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
**Brainfuck
**C-
**INTERCAL
**Iota/Jot
**Malborge
*:--[[User:Pgunn|Improv]] 17:35, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
* [Comment] The fact is that most of these languages are in violation of Wikipedia's rules. Why? Because they are essentially '''Original Research''', with no greater significance outside of the handful of l33t-wannabes who want to claim they invented a language. [[User:Terrapin|Terrapin]] 18:36, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Whenever]]====
** To clarify: "[[Wikipedia:No original research|original research]]" refers to work done for the specific purpose of including it in the Wikipedia. As far as I can tell, none of these articles qualify under that definition: they're all ''reporting'' the facts about pre-existing toy languages. If anything, these articles are candidates for deletion or merging because of their lack of notability. [[User:Benc|• Benc]][[User_talk:Benc| •]] 19:41, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
27 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Whenever programming language"''. the language has no sense of urgency. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - These articles are of interest to me and to many others. There's no compelling reason to get rid of the information. Why is this even being brought up? [[User:Factitious|Factitious]] 19:32, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
====[[Whirl]]====
28 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Whirl programming language"''. Stub . '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
* I second Angela's vote: '''keep or redirect all'''. To decide which ones to keep and which ones to merge/redirect into [[List of esoteric programming languages]], discuss it at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Programming Languages|WikiProject Programming Languages]], ''not'' here on VfD.<p>Side note about the mass listing: please don't ever do this again. I know you were trying to speed up the process, but the logistics of juggling 70+ subnominations has actually slowed down the process. (Never sacrifice sanity for speed!) If you want to delete an entire class of articles, start by discussing it at [[Wikipedia talk:Deletion policy]] and the [[Wikipedia:Village pump|village pump]]. Thanks, [[User:Benc|• Benc]][[User_talk:Benc| •]] 19:34, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Whitespace programming language]]====
688* googleKeep hitsall forof ''-wikipediathem, -thefreedictionaryand "Whitespacemake programminga language"''. Seemspolicy to bestop morepeople significant.doing '''Weakthis Delete''' --again. [[User:Chris 73Intrigue|Chris 73Intrigue]] [[User talk19:Chris48, 73|Talk]] 12:01,29 Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:* '''Keep.'''. WikipediaNo ispolicies, notthough, paper; therethat is noabsurd. reason toHe is not havea antroll articlefor justnominating becausethese. the— topic[[User:El itChico|<span dealsstyle="color:red;">El</span> with<span is obscure. --style="color:green;">Chico!</span>]] [[User talk:SchneelockeEl Chico|Schnee<sup><span style="color:blue;">Talk</span></sup>]] 1420:2215, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
* Keep these articles. [[User:The Recycling Troll|The Recycling Troll]] 20:18, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. --[[User:Yath|Yath]] 20:35, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. Important articles. Some are funny languages, but you don't remove articles about comedians. --[[User:Pengo|Pengo]] 22:13, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' in general: esoteric-ness is not grounds for deletion, so why should it be a valid criterion for merging listings on VfD? OTOH, I'm sure some of these ''aren't'' notable enough to have their own pages, or even their own mentions in a list - people's pet projects could be construed as vanity. I suggest making a new listing containing ''only'' those which are not notable; or a handful of listings, sorted by perceived notability; or [[User:Benc|Benc]]'s suggestion of discussing it somewhere else first, and merging into the list. - [[User:IMSoP|IMSoP]] 22:53, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[Wierd programming language]]====
53 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "Wierd programming language"''. Stub. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. There very well may be some articles in this grouping that are worthy of deletion, but I'm not going to read through all of them picking and choosing; if the deletion-proposer wants to propose deleteing the whole lot of them one bundle then so be it, I vote to keep the whole lot of them. There are lessons to be learned even from "bad" or "obscure" languages. [[User:Bryan Derksen|Bryan]] 23:35, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[ZT programming language]]====
*:Also, I just noticed that the VfD template on the articles I just spot-checked all point to non-existant VfD pages. Someone who stumbles across one of these articles will not be able to find where the voting is actually being held without hunting through VfD manually for it, which is a bit of a major undertaking under the circumstances. [[User:Bryan Derksen|Bryan]] 23:59, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
97 google hits for ''-wikipedia -thefreedictionary "ZT programming language"''. Stub. . '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*'''Keep all'''. If a particular article is a joke/whatever, it needs to be listed individually; please don't bulk-add all ~70 articles in an entire category. [[User:Kwertii|Kwertii]] 00:35, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
====[[SIMPLE programming language]]====
Invented as a Joke. '''Delete''' -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 12:41, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''. Wikipedia is not paper; there is no reason to not have an article just because the topic it deals with is obscure. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] 14:22, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*'''Keep all'''. Some of these, such as [[Unlambda]], actually illustrate important computer science principles. Others, such as my favourite, [[HQ9 Plus]], parody various aspects of programming language design. And like others, I object to an entire category of topics being proposed for deletion: if there are individual entries that should be deleted, propose those on the merits of the case. The fact that such classics as [[Brainfuck]], [[Befunge]] and [[INTERCAL]] have been proposed suggests the proposer isn't taking due care and attention. —[[User:Ashley Y|Ashley Y]] 01:02, 2004 Sep 30 (UTC)
====[[Funge]]====
'''Delete'''**Look again. I voted "Keep" for [[Brainfuck]], [[Befunge]] and [[INTERCAL]] (see [[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Esoteric programming language related/Detail|Sub Page]]) -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 1201:4121, Sep 2930, 2004 (UTC)
:'''Keep'''.** WikipediaComment ison notthe paper;methods, therenot isthe noman. reasonI tohave notno havedoubt anthat articleChris's justmotives becausefor thethis topicmass itlisting dealswere withnothing isbut obscure.the --best. [[User:SchneelockeBenc|Schnee• Benc]][[User_talk:Benc| •]] 1404:2215, 2930 Sep 2004 (UTC)
***Thanks. With 20/20 hindsight I should have done things differently. I guess I have to work on my foresight, and try not to make such a goof again. Apologies to all people involved. Still think that some articles on the list are not really needed, though. -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 06:07, Sep 30, 2004 (UTC)
*Keep only the ones enumerated in [[Template:Esolangs]]; merge the rest into a single article. [[User:Poccil|[[User:Poccil|Peter O.]] ([[User Talk:Poccil|Talk]])]] 03:40, Sep 30, 2004 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 05:00, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. I think keep it if there is one mention on 1 google about the language and its not a wikipedia article copy, keep the language, also keep it if any other langugages or theorys are based off of it. [[User:Patcat88|Patcat88]] 05:57, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*'''''Keep all'''''. This Vfd listing is just wrong, just like listing the GNAA three times. Google hits are NOT a valid reason to delete. Wikipedia is not paper, I have gone through every listing and each of the languages are real. This will hurt Wikipedia by creating holes in Wikipedias coverage. Esotoric languages are crazy, but it provides entertainment for some, so keep them all. [[User:Norm|Nor<sup>[[user_talk:Norm|m]]]</sup> 09:57, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*'''''Keep all'''''. No need to delete knowledge. [[User:WhiteTimberwolf|WhiteTimberwolf]] 11:50, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*'''''Comment''''': the google test mechanism employed to discredit the languages described in the articles seems fatally flawed. Almost invariably the test has been to search for "''name'' programming language". I wonder if this is likely to discount perfectly good hits simply on the grounds that this exact phrase does not occur. I might support replacing the '''''List''''' with a longer article containing more detailed descriptions of each language, but I suspect that the product would be less helpful than what we have now. I'm definitely inclining towards ''Keep'' unless I can be convinced otherwise. --[[User:Phil Boswell|Phil]] | [[User talk:Phil Boswell|Talk]] 12:05, Sep 30, 2004 (UTC)
*'''Keep All''' ''esoteric'' does not mean ''unknown''. There is a great deal of interest in these languages among CS people. The Google results are flawed and so meaningless. Too much attention is paid to them anyway. Also, the nominator voted Keep for some entries, undercutting his own argument [[User:Thesteve|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">The Steve</span>]] 13:07, Sep 30, 2004 (UTC)
*'''Keep All''' The esoteric programming languages have relevance in terms of experimental computer science -- for one thing, most are simple Turing Machines. While they might not be generally useful, they do have their uses, and they're interesting to read about. Considering the number of votes in support of the esoteric languages, I'm suprised the boilerplates are still up....
*Comment: a lot of people are casting blanket "keep" votes despite the fact that some of these "languages" have, by their articles' own admission, never existed outside of one humorous USENET post. I suggest that, after the five-day voting period for this mass nomination ends, any articles that have received a simple majority of non-"keep" votes cast specifically for them be re-nominated, so that we can reach a genuine consensus on whether they deserve inclusion. [[User:Triskaideka|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—[[User:Triskaideka|Triskaideka]] 15:56, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': Oooh, what a great idea! It's always so fun to pick on minorities! How about we delete all [[chess variant]]s, [[:Category:Homestar Runner]], [[:Template:HitchhikerMiscellanea]] and, here comes the best part, all but the five biggest religions from [[:Category:Religion]]! Personally I think most of religions are rubbish and nothing more than a (lame) joke so ''obviously'' they should be deleted. --[[User:ZeroOne|ZeroOne]] 18:03, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*'''Keep all (but possibly merge some)'''. The few completely fictional joke languages (namely [[DOGO programming language|DOGO]], [[SIMPLE programming language|SIMPLE]], [[SLOBOL programming language|SLOBOL]], [[VALGOL programming language|VALGOL]], [[LAIDBACK programming language|LAIDBACK]], [[Sartre programming language|SARTRE]], [[FIFTH programming language|FIFTH]], [[C- programming language|C-]] and [[LITHP programming language|LITHP]]) could be merged under some appropriate topic (like [[fictional programming languages]]). Other languages could stay like they are, or, if you have some really good reasons to do so, merged into the [[list of esoteric programming languages]] or preferably to some other -new- list, like [[esoteric programming languages]]. However this list would become really long and Wikipedia would start complaining that it should be split into smaller articles. --[[User:ZeroOne|ZeroOne]] 19:40, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
**If someone were to write a working compiler for [[SIMPLE programming language|SIMPLE]], would you change your mind about its status? [[User:Factitious|Factitious]] 20:34, Sep 30, 2004 (UTC)
***Someone did write a working (at least, I assume it works) implementation of [[VALGOL programming language|VALGOL]]; see [http://catseye.mine.nu:8080/projects/valgol/]. [[User:Triskaideka|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—[[User:Triskaideka|Triskaideka]] 21:21, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
****Yeah, and there's also an attempt to define the specs for [[Sartre programming language|SARTRE]] too... So I don't know. They can't be as wild as the original article in InfoWorld specified so in that matter their implementations are different from the actual joke. Maybe [[fictional programming languages]] could also hold those languages that started as a joke? The working ones could also be listed in the [[list of esoteric programming languages]]. The simplest solution would of course be to left everything as it currently is. :) --[[User:ZeroOne|ZeroOne]] 21:29, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*****Well, if something started as a joke but now exists, then it isn't really fictional... OK, I'm thinking you're right about the simplest solution. [[User:Factitious|Factitious]] 21:39, Sep 30, 2004 (UTC)
*'''Keep all'''. And don't list 74 articles at once. [[User:Eric119|Eric119]] 20:39, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*'''Keep all''' because I object to this mass-nomination. [[User:Gwalla|<nowiki></nowiki>]] — [[User:Gwalla|Gwalla]] | [[User talk:Gwalla|Talk]] 20:48, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*'''Keep all''': Remember, evin tho these ar esoteric program langwige its still reel program langwiges! Do not redirect eny uv them (unles thay ar 1 that only 1 persen in the hole world uses them, wich is unlikely). The 1 that you do redirect you shud put a link to the web-site about them. And remember, a lot uv peple still use INTERCAL. Reed sum uv the abuve as well to see wy its importent to keep all uv them. -- [[User:Zzo38|zzo38]] 02:39, 2004 Oct 1 (UTC)
*'''Keep all'''. [[User:ElBenevolente|ElBenevolente]] 03:45, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)
*'''Keep all''' and remove the VfD notice (sooner than later) from ''at least'' all the [[Template:Esolangs]] articles (that [[User:Chris 73]] obviously shouldn't have put on VfD in the first place). [[User:Leif|<nowiki></nowiki>]]<tt>'''~'''[[User:Leif|leif]]</tt> ☺ [[User_talk:Leif|<sub>HELO</sub>]] 09:49, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)
**Done. -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 10:34, Oct 1, 2004 (UTC)
***Thanks, Chris [[User:Leif|<nowiki></nowiki>]]<tt>'''~'''[[User:Leif|leif]]</tt> ☺ [[User_talk:Leif|<sub>HELO</sub>]] 21:01, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)
*'''Keep all''' - The mass nomination is wrong. If you can't be bothered to evaluate them individually then they don't belong here. If you have then discuss them individually instead of lumping them in a group where the good can be thrown out with the bad (if any). - [[User:Texture|<span style="color:red;">Tεx</span>]][[User Talk:Texture|<span style="color:blue;">τ</span>]][[User:Texture|<span style="color:red;">urε</span><!-- TANSTAAFL -->]] 20:38, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)
*Comment: several voters are giving [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] a hard time for mass-nominating a large number of articles. In fact, he's one of a very few people who ''did'' evaluate all of the articles individually. He voted on every one and provided at least a short reason. This only ''looks'' like a blanket nomination because he nominated them all at the same time and allowed people to vote on them all as a group—which I think is turning out to have been a mistake, as some of these subjects are, IMO, clearly more notable than others. It might have been easier on the voters if he'd nominated them in batches over a longer period (although then I'm sure people would have cited the languages that hadn't yet been deleted as support for the languages up for consideration), but I think it's unfair to criticize him for being willing to do ''more'' work than anyone else. If articles deserve to be nominated, then they deserve to be nominated, and many of these clearly deserve at least nomination, even if we ultimately decide that they don't deserve deletion. [[User:Triskaideka|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—[[User:Triskaideka|Triskaideka]] 21:13, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)
**('''Comment & Apoligies by Nominator''') Thank you very much. I agree that it was a mistake to nominate such a large nuber at once, including some clear ''Keep''er's .I would like to thank everybody who looked at the individual nominations for their effort. My apologies to the community for creating such a stir. On top of that, I have to go on a trip today and won't be back until Thursday, so I can't even clean up my mess when it is due on Monday. (Not that I would delete anything at this point with that number of ''Keep all'' votes). Otherwise i would remove all the ''VfD'' tags from the articles and also see which articles had a majority for deletion based on the individual votes. Again - not deleting them but only list them somewhere (possibly [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Programming Languages]]) and ask for further comment. After that I probably take a VfD Holiday. Thanks. -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 23:13, Oct 1, 2004 (UTC)
*Either '''keep all''' ''or'' '''keep''' the prominent esoteric languages while merging several of the lesser-known ones into a smaller number of articles. I provide the second option not based on how esoteric these languages are (that's the point, after all), but because some of them you really can't say much about. I could sum up the Whitespace language or HQ9+ in a paragraph. In any case, kill none of this content! [[User:Dcoetzee|Derrick Coetzee]] 16:48, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)
**There's considerably more than a paragraph in the [[HQ9 Plus|HQ9+]] entry, and it could in fact be expanded by mentioning the HQ9++ extension. [[User:Factitious|Factitious]] 20:52, Oct 2, 2004 (UTC)
*'''Keep all'''. As an esoteric language enthusiast I would really hate to see them go. Wikipedia has become most comprehensive list of esoteric languages on the web. [[User:Runeberge|Rune Berge]], 14:08, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)
*'''Keep all'''. --[[User:Tmh|Tmh]]
*'''Keep all''' and reorganize 02:13, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
*'''Keep all''' and please redo the google searches for all, many of them get more results if you remove "programming language" from the quotes. 01:31, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep all'''. They may be obscure, but documentation of something true should not be destroyed just because someone feels it is insignificant. -- [[User:Andrés Santiago Pérez-Bergquist|Andrés Santiago Pérez-Bergquist]] 02:07, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
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