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http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=39175 <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.95.141.46|68.95.141.46]] ([[User talk:68.95.141.46|talk]]) 10:15, 26 July 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Is this an old issue which has since been corrected, or is it current? The material can be added to the article if it is cited in [[WP:reliable sources|reliable sources]] and is encyclopedic. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">-- [[User:Trevj#top|Trevj]]</span> ([[User talk:Trevj#top|talk]]) 13:45, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
:I believe this is the the same issue that resulted in the article being protected [[Talk:Raspberry_Pi/Archive_4#Article_is_now_under_pending_changes_protection|here]]. So far I don't think any reliable sources have been produced - it has so far been mostly POV pushing. '''<FONTspan COLORstyle="color:red;">Я</FONTspan>ehevkor''' <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONTspan COLORstyle="color:black;">✉</FONTspan>]]</big> 14:21, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 
::There are some sources that cover this:
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Are you suggesting that a link to the organization's own forum where people actively working on the problems are discussing it is not reliable??? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.95.141.46|68.95.141.46]] ([[User talk:68.95.141.46|talk]]) 23:28, 26 July 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Largely, no. See [[WP:SPS]]. Sources should be both reliably published and ideally independent of the subject. '''<FONTspan COLORstyle="color:red;">Я</FONTspan>ehevkor''' <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONTspan COLORstyle="color:black;">✉</FONTspan>]]</big> 19:22, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 
:Let me check... Yup, I still have the ability to go on the official Raspberry Pi forum and claim that the Raspberry Pi is made out of actual raspberry pies, and then to make the same claim on Wikipedia using the official Raspberry Pi forum as a source. Do you see the problem? --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 20:24, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
::mmmm raspberry <s>pi</s> pie -- <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid darkgreen;margin-top:1px;bottom:1px;font-verdana;background:lightblue" > [[User:Taroaldo|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">'''Taroaldo'''</fontspan>]] [[User talk:Taroaldo|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Red;">'''✉'''</fontspan>]]</span></small> 20:40, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
::Just licked mine and I can ''confirm'', they're made of raspberry pies. '''<FONTspan COLORstyle="color:red;">Я</FONTspan>ehevkor''' <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONTspan COLORstyle="color:black;">✉</FONTspan>]]</big> 20:59, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 
If you bothered to read the thread I linked, you might notice it is 6 pages of posts from a large number of people in a locked thread. Several of the people work for the organization and this can be verified.
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[[Special:Contributions/80.187.109.172|80.187.109.172]] ([[User talk:80.187.109.172|talk]]) 00:52, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
 
:Do you have any reliable sources for this? Please be aware that Wikipedia articles are encyclopaedia articles and not technical manuals, material must be supported by reliable sources (published news articles for example, not forums). '''<FONTspan COLORstyle="color:red;">Я</FONTspan>ehevkor''' <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONTspan COLORstyle="color:black;">✉</FONTspan>]]</big> 13:16, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
 
::This is like saying that a desktop computer is "useless without the video BIOS provided by nVidea". Because that is what the "blob" is, it is the equivalent of the video BIOS. and other computers also cannot boot without the video BIOS contained in ROM on the video card. This isn't an issue as the blob is freely distributed with the PI, just as the video BIOS is freely distributed with the video card. Just as normal users do not care about the BIOS in their video cards, why should PI users care about this non-problem. You can remark about this technical difference, but not in the context of a "problem". [[User:Mahjongg|Mahjongg]] ([[User talk:Mahjongg|talk]]) 12:52, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
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::::::Changed power range, shortened CPU info, shortened Linux info, sent request for RotateBot to rotate the RPi2 photo (so it will take up less vertical space) (actually we need a better photo). It was 1 WEEK until you posted a response about the infoboxes, so I assume most people don't care or feel its ok, otherwise they would've thrown rocks at me sooner. Since this article supports both RPi1 and RPi2, and I assume there will be more RPi2 models, then its worth splitting the infobox now. All the RPi1 info is not easy to tell which is which, so throwing RPi2 into the mix makes it even harder to understand. Thanks for the response. • [[User:Sbmeirow|<span style="color:#8D38C9;">Sbmeirow</span>]] • [[User talk:Sbmeirow|<span style="color:#8D38C9;White;">Talk</span>]] • 09:11, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Thanks, it looks a little better now with the long list of distros gone. Although I still believe a single infobox may be better. What's your opinion on how the [[iPad]] article deals with this issue? [[User:Stickee|Stickee]] <small>[[User talk:Stickee|(talk)]]</small> 09:54, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 
== The photosensitivity paragraph ==
 
Last night, I made [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Raspberry_Pi&diff=646309470&oldid=646261703 this edit] (plus two smaller clarifying edits to the same paragraph right afterward), and [[User:Sbmeirow]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Raspberry_Pi&diff=646311204&oldid=646310823 reverted it] only six minutes later, including restoring a factually incorrect statement that I'd corrected. This is what I wrote:
 
: In February 2015, a [[switched-mode power supply]] chip, designated U16, of the Raspberry Pi 2 model B version 1.1 (the initially released version) was found to be vulnerable to flashes of light,<ref name="U16 forums">{{cite web | url=http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=99042 | title=Raspberry Pi Forums: Why is the PI2 camera-shy? | author=several authors | publisher=Raspberry Pi Foundation | work=Raspberry Pi Forums | date=7–9 February 2015 | accessdate=9 February 2015}}</ref> particularly the light from [[Flashtube#Xenon|xenon camera flashes]] and green<ref name="U16 Hackaday">{{cite web | url=http://hackaday.com/2015/02/08/photonic-reset-of-the-raspberry-pi-2/ | title=Photonic Reset of the Raspberry Pi 2 | publisher=Hackaday | date=8 February 2015 | accessdate=8 February 2015 | author=Benchoff, Brian}}</ref> and red [[laser pointer]]s. However, other bright lights, particularly ones that are on continuously, were found to have no effect. The symptom was the Raspberry Pi 2 spontaneously rebooting or turning off when these lights were flashed at the chip. Initially, some users and commenters suspected that the [[electromagnetic pulse]] from the xenon flash tube was causing the problem by interfering with the computer's digital circuitry, but this was ruled out by tests where the light was either blocked by a card or aimed at the other side of the Raspberry Pi 2, both of which did not cause a problem. The problem was narrowed down to the U16 chip by covering first the [[system on a chip]] (main processor) and then U16 with [[Blu-Tack|opaque poster mounting compound]]. Light being the sole culprit, instead of EMP, was further confirmed by the laser pointer tests,<ref name="U16 Hackaday"></ref> where it was also found that less opaque covering was needed to shield against the laser pointers than to shield against the xenon flashes.<ref name="U16 forums"></ref> The U16 chip seems to be bare silicon without a plastic cover (i.e. a [[chip-scale package]] or [[wafer-level package]]), which would, if present, block the light. Based on the facts that the chip, like all semiconductors, is light-sensitive ([[photovoltaic effect]]), that [[silicon]] is transparent to infrared light, and that xenon flashes emit more infrared light than laser pointers (therefore requiring more light shielding),<ref name="U16 forums"></ref> it is currently thought that this combination of factors allows the sudden bright infrared light to cause an instability in the output voltage of the power supply, triggering shutdown or restart of the Raspberry Pi 2. Unofficial workarounds include covering U16 with opaque material (such as electrical tape,<ref name="U16 forums"></ref><ref name="U16 Hackaday"></ref> lacquer, poster mounting compound, or even balled-up bread<ref name="U16 forums"></ref>), putting the Raspberry Pi 2 in a case,<ref name="U16 Hackaday"></ref> and avoiding taking photos of the top side of the board with a xenon flash. This issue was not caught before the release of the Raspberry Pi 2 because while commercial electronic devices are routinely subjected to tests of susceptibility to radio interference, it is not standard or common practice to test their susceptibility to optical interference.<ref name="U16 forums"></ref>
 
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This is what Sbmeirow reverted it to:
 
: In February 2015, the U16 [[switched-mode power supply]] chip of the Raspberry 2 was found to be vulnerable to Xenon light, from for example the [[Flashtube#Xenon|flash of many camera phones]]. The U16 chip seems to be raw silicon without a plastic cover, and since covering the chip with non-conducting shielding still blocks the effect, the effect seems to be due to visible light, possibly based on the [[photoelectric effect]].<nowiki><ref>http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=99042</ref></nowiki>
 
My version was superior in the following ways:
 
* It provides more information, explaining the mechanism of the problem and how people investigated it.
* It adds a second reference.
* It wikifies the existing reference (which was just a URL before).
* It corrects "[[photoelectric effect]]" to "[[photovoltaic effect]]"; the photoelectric effect is the release of electrons from illuminated metal in a vacuum (obviously irrelevant), while the photovoltaic effect is the disturbance of electrons in a semiconductor by light (what's happening in U16).
* It clarifies that the chip is designated U16 in the context of the RPi 2, rather than being a type of chip known as U16.
 
It was inferior in the following ways:
 
* It is longer.
 
I knew at the time that it was long, and I expected other editors to shorten it and/or make a section for it, but I didn't expect anyone to just delete it for being too long, completely ignoring every advantage my version had, especially factual accuracy. This was also time-sensitive: I wanted to get factually correct and complete (as much as was known) info available before news sources started writing articles about the problem. Several such articles were published today. Most of the ones from technical sources didn't mistakenly mention the photoelectric effect (even though the [http://www.raspberrypi.org/xenon-death-flash-a-free-physics-lesson/ Raspberry Pi Foundation article they quoted] did), but [http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-31294745 the BBC article] and [http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/technology-gadgets/raspberry-pi-2-is-camerashy-computer-resets-if-pictures-are-taken-of-it-30978316.html the Belfast Telegraph article] did. The BBC even explained that the photoelectric effect earned Einstein his Nobel Prize (though explained the effect incorrectly), so they probably came to Wikipedia at least for that. I haven't (can't) read every article written about the problem, but I expect the several I read are representative (first page of Google News results for 'raspberry pi'). Importantly, the two mainstream articles got it wrong, and they're the ones that people who aren't already familiar with the issue (or Raspberry Pi in general, or the two effects) are more likely to read. So, I think if the correct information had remained in the article for the rest of the day, rather than being replaced with a reiteration of the mistaken reference to the photoelectric effect, many laypeople being given incorrect info could have been avoided. (Note that I'm not saying anything about the laypeople's opinions of the Raspberry Pi 2 in light of this issue. It's not Wikipedia's job to promote products, but it is Wikipedia's job to provide correct and reasonably complete information.) I have now reverted it to my version and I expect that my version will be the basis for future edits of this paragraph for the reasons listed above. [[User:Ian01|Ian01]] ([[User talk:Ian01|talk]]) 10:16, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 
:This might be a good time for you to take a look at [[WP:BALASPS]] and [[WP:RECENTISM]] (in reference to the length). The longer version gives undue weight to the the U16 issue, and as such makes it seem like a bigger issue than it is.
:There are certainly improvements, but most of them (bullet points 2-5) could be made to the shorter version without increasing it's length. [[User:Stickee|Stickee]] <small>[[User talk:Stickee|(talk)]]</small> 10:56, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 
::It is excellent information, seriously I love detailed information, but...
:# I reverted it because it was TOO LONG, per [[WP:BALASPS]], not because the previous text was better.
:# If you knew it was too long, then why didn't you shorten it before posting?
:# If you knew it was too long, then why did you restore it a 2nd time without shortening it?
:# It's NOT the responsibility of other Wikipedia editors to be your personal "[[Copy Editor]]". It is your responsibility to shorten it.
:: • [[User:Sbmeirow|<span style="color:#8D38C9;">Sbmeirow</span>]] • [[User talk:Sbmeirow|<span style="color:#8D38C9;White;">Talk</span>]] • 19:24, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 
== "credit card-sized" ?? ==
The Rapsberry Pi is small but it's still a lot bigger than a credit card. [[Special:Contributions/122.62.31.25|122.62.31.25]] ([[User talk:122.62.31.25|talk]]) 04:15, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 
== Specifications table ==
 
It's getting too big and looks hard to maintain. Suggest splitting in two tables (ex. by generation). <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Alexandrujuncu|Alexandrujuncu]] ([[User talk:Alexandrujuncu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexandrujuncu|contribs]]) 10:21, 23 March 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 
can someone add something about Raspivid and Raspistill? A search of wikipedia about either of these two comes up blank. thank you <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Shadout mapes|Shadout mapes]] ([[User talk:Shadout mapes|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Shadout mapes|contribs]]) 22:38, 26 March 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 
== Raspberry Pi 2 Image Used where Pi 1 is Mentioned ==
 
In the info panel on the right, the division that details the specs of the Raspberry Pi 1 is actually showing an image of a Raspberry Pi 2. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jeremyrfoster|Jeremyrfoster]] ([[User talk:Jeremyrfoster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jeremyrfoster|contribs]]) 21:58, 26 April 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 
==AROS==
 
[[AROS]] natively boots to the [[Raspberry Pi|Raspberry Pi series]]. I am going to add it to this article. [[User:In Correct|In Correct]] ([[User talk:In Correct|talk]]) 21:11, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 
== Nomination of [[Raspbian]] for deletion ==
 
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:Don't delete it. [[User:In Correct|In Correct]] ([[User talk:In Correct|talk]]) 21:13, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 
== which are the available 14 hdmi resolutions, specifically? ==
 
“HDMI (rev 1.3 & 1.4), 14 HDMI resolutions from 640×350 to 1920×1200 plus various PAL and NTSC standards, composite video (PAL and NTSC) via 3.5 mm TRRS jack shared with audio out” - which 14 hdmi resolutions are them? <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/188.83.78.35|188.83.78.35]] ([[User talk:188.83.78.35|talk]]) 17:27, 17 May 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 
== Infoboxes ==
I've moved the infoboxes to the top of the article. I hope no one has an issue. [[User:Wonderfl|Wonderfl]] <sup>[[User_talk:Wonderfl|(reply)]]</sup> 14:40, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
:It couldn't be uglier. sorry. Why would these infobox need to be at the top anyways? Two clearly don't fit there in any case. I even wonder if two are needed, rather it seems properties should be displayed in a table of all versions. [[User:Kbrose|Kbrose]] ([[User talk:Kbrose|talk]]) 17:31, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
 
== Incorrect image ==
 
The image currently on the page for the original Raspberry Pi is incorrect. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/23.243.172.40|23.243.172.40]] ([[User talk:23.243.172.40|talk]]) 03:49, 3 August 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 
== Split off Raspbian? ==
 
[[Raspbian]], which this article links to, currently redirects back here. I would think there there's enough that could be said for a separate though short article (directing the reader to [[Debian]] for further info). Any opposition to splitting one off? [[Special:Contributions/98.19.62.140|98.19.62.140]] ([[User talk:98.19.62.140|talk]]) 02:21, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 
== Scratch not mentioned as a supported language ==
 
There should be a reference to [[Scratch_(programming_language)]] as one of the languages supported on the Pi. It is listed as such in the FAQ for the Pi: <ref>https://www.raspberrypi.org/help/faqs/#softwareLanguages</ref>.
 
[[User:Zvmphile|Zvmphile]] ([[User talk:Zvmphile|talk]]) 07:11, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 
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== Redesign table? ==
 
I think it's time to rewrite the table for the versions.
Raspberry Pi 3 is out and the width of the table is getting two big.
Either split it off into separate tables (for example Model A, Model B and compute node into separate tables) or flip the table and have the versions be the rows and the characteristics the columns (probably worth having more than one tables here too). <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Alexandrujuncu|Alexandrujuncu]] ([[User talk:Alexandrujuncu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexandrujuncu|contribs]]) 07:45, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 
== Lead section - specs of all three units or condense ==
 
[[WP:LEAD]] says "Editors should avoid lengthy paragraphs and over-specific descriptions, since greater detail is saved for the body of the article."
 
Given the number of times there have been updates to the Pi, I'd argue that details of the specifications of the A, B, A+ and B+ are less interesting than a longer term comparison of the latest (Pi 3) to the first (eg "10 times more powerful" is something non-technical readers understand on first read).
 
-- [[User:Callinus|Callinus]] ([[User talk:Callinus|talk]]) 08:31, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
:Agree, it has become overly technical. Most of the specification is better handled elsewhere. I'd be inclined to go further to "avoid difficult-to-understand terminology and symbols." and not mention the specifics on which chips are used simply saying there is three are generations and they uses a SoC. The lead should be simple enough that someone who knows nothing has an idea of what a Pi is. --[[User:Salix alba|Salix alba]] ([[User talk:Salix alba|talk]]): 09:05, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
 
:: Agree - I made reference to this in the edit comment on [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Raspberry_Pi&diff=prev&oldid=692896095 this revision] but never got round to following it up. I think really at this point most mentions of specific technologies could be removed from the lead, as most are not common between different versions and listing different technologies is certainly excessive detail. [[User:TSP|TSP]] ([[User talk:TSP|talk]]) 11:24, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
 
:: I've just taken a look over at the [[ZX81]] article for comparison, and I think that (although rather lacking in sources) gives a good idea of the sort of thing we should be aiming for - far more about background, design principles and social impact; far less about specific chip names and versions. (Perhaps with a 'dead' technology it's easier to achieve perspective on what's important.) [[User:TSP|TSP]] ([[User talk:TSP|talk]]) 11:28, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
 
::Eben Upton said in [http://makezine.com/2016/02/28/eben-upton-talks-about-the-new-raspberry-pi-3/ Makezine] "This 50–60% has moved us over some sort of line, where it becomes a much more credible PC replacement." The audience for this article may be becoming more general. -- [[User:Callinus|Callinus]] ([[User talk:Callinus|talk]]) 12:49, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
 
== External links modified ==
 
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== Manufacture ___location(s)? ==
 
Can anyone source stats on where most Pis are now manufactured? I can find sources from 2013 saying that the plan was in future for most of them to be manufactured in Wales, but nothing more recent saying if that is actually now the case. If it is, it might be worth mentioning fairly prominently as primarily-UK tech manufacture is now fairly unusual (while still not being the same as the Pi having been *developed* in Wales, which it wasn't). [[User:TSP|TSP]] ([[User talk:TSP|talk]]) 14:54, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 
==Models==
It would be great if the article could provide enlightenment on the general idea behind the different models. This is very confusing to newbies. To my knowledge, the Bs and B+s are the consumer versions, whereas the As and A+s are the industry models, correct? Thanks, [[User:Maikel|Maikel]] ([[User talk:Maikel|talk]]) 14:35, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 
:I've updated the Specifications table to better reflect the division of generations. I think most of the confusion arises from the fact that the second version of the Model B was referred to as the "Model B +", whereas subsequent revisions deprecated the "+" numbering scheme, and instead use numberic delineation, such as "2 Model B" and the "3 Model B". So there are four versions of the Model B, named like this:
 
:# Raspberry Pi Model B
:# Raspberry Pi Model B +
:# Raspberry Pi 2 Model B
:# Raspberry Pi 3 Model B
 
:It would have probably been easier if they'd just named them the "Rasberry Pi Model B 1", "Raspberry Pi Model B 2", etc.
 
:[[User:InternetMeme|InternetMeme]] ([[User talk:InternetMeme|talk]]) 11:50, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 
I was about to add new info blocks for the A,B and A+ versions, as I thought they were missing, before realising the information is all under the B+ model info block. I think however, as the B+ v1 RPi and the 2 and 3 RPi's look more or less identical (2x2 stacks of USB on the right), I think it's silly listing them in the 3 blocks. The Rpi B [[File:Raspberry_Pi_Model_B_rev2.0.JPG|frameless|280px]] was the most available Rpi for several years (I have 2), and the Rpi A (only a single USB and no RJ45 connector) [[File:Raspberry_Pi_-_Model_A.jpg|frameless|280px]] was the equivalent to the Zero for the same length of time. So I'm not sure why the most similar, older model, the B+ is displayed, over the distinctive A and B models. Please send me a message if someone wants me to take a more uniform photo of my RPi A, rather than the oblique one I listed [[User:Sibaz|sibaz]] ([[User talk:Sibaz|talk]]) 09:54, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 
As an aside, when referencing the RPi, it's useful to know the original model B [http://elinux.org/File:Antijn_raspi_farnell_top.jpg| See Photo at elinux.org] included a populated JTAG header, next to the SVideo connector. This gets in the way, if you try to use some cases (such as the PiBow). Hence I'd guess it's worth being pointed out, in reference material, as it can be a significant different. [[User:Sibaz|sibaz]] ([[User talk:Sibaz|talk]]) 10:00, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 
== OS Support ==
 
Pi is developing quite the range of OS support now. I've hacked in (cough) Diet Pi as it is, in my experience, a stable and very versatile solution. I'm using it for a VPN, DNLA server and even a three variations of Minecraft servers distributed over just two machines. It also comes with at least two desktops (Mate and LXDE) and a bunch of other stuff. Someone should make a page. I'm not connected to the project (save for being a patron) but I believe it deserves a mention. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/82.16.170.111|82.16.170.111]] ([[User talk:82.16.170.111|talk]]) 21:00, 10 June 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 
== What is "overvolt"? ==
 
In section ''[[Raspberry_Pi#Overclocking|Overclocking]]'' there is "6 overvolt", "2 overvolt" and "0 overvolt". What does that mean? It is not clear at all from the context.
 
For instance, is there an implicit unit, like 0.1 volt? In that case, shouldn't the voltage be stated instead, like 0.6&nbsp;V overvoltage? --[[User:Mortense|Mortense]] ([[User talk:Mortense|talk]]) 10:17, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 
:[http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/384756-How-Overvolting-Works-The-Dangers-of-Overvolting-and-quot-Safe-quot-Overvolting-Technique This] explains better than I ever could exactly what [[overvoltage|overvolt]] is in regards to overclocking. However, you're correct about the unit inclusion, I imagine it ''should'' read {{tq|2v overvolt}} -- [[User:Samtar|'''sam'''''tar'']] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Samtar|talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Samtar|stalk]]</small></sup> 10:25, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 
:: Isn't the correct term ''overvoltage'' (''over'' + ''voltage'')? [[wiktionary:overvoltage|Wiktionary has it]], but in a slightly different context. Or perhaps as an action, ''overvolting'', as in Wikipedia article ''[[Dynamic voltage scaling]]''.
 
:: BTW, the unit must be lower than 1 volt. 6 volts is way too much; it would fry the electronics. It could be 0.01 volt, +0.06&nbsp;V for [http://elinux.org/RPi_Hardware#Power the core voltage of 1.2&nbsp;V] (5% relative change). Or it could be some entirely different unit. --[[User:Mortense|Mortense]] ([[User talk:Mortense|talk]]) 12:45, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 
::: Looking closer, yes I think you're right there - I personally would write it as {{tq|overvolting the ''whatever'' by 0.2 volts<sup>?</sup>}} -- [[User:Samtar|'''sam'''''tar'']] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Samtar|talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Samtar|stalk]]</small></sup> 14:04, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 
== factual error in overview ==
 
Hi, at the bottom of the first section of this article it states that "The Foundation provides Debian and Arch Linux ARM distributions for download,[8]" but they do not--following that link leads to only their download of the Debian based distro. Seeing as the footnote leads to the page that shows the article to be incorrect the article should be updated--I just wanted to post here first in case I was wrong about something. Is there something I missed--otherwise I will edit. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User: Errans | Errans ]] ([[User talk: Errans |talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ Errans |contribs]]) 12 August 2016 (UTC)</span></small>
 
: I've now edited the article to reflect the current offering. --[[User:Salix alba|Salix alba]] ([[User talk:Salix alba|talk]]): 08:25, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 
== Grammar ==
 
"Haiku – is an source BeOS clone has been targeted for the Raspberry Pi and several other ARM boards.[96] Work began in 2011 on Pi 1, but only the Pi 2 will be supported."
 
This does not parse as English, it requires at least two more words to make sense.
[[Special:Contributions/93.155.221.34|93.155.221.34]] ([[User talk:93.155.221.34|talk]]) 09:34, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
 
== RFC: clear floats before specs table ==
 
I added a '''div style="clear: both"''' before the Specifications section to create enough vertical space for all floating figures to render. The specifications table, which has become huge lately, can then take up the full page width. I think this looks a lot better.
 
[[User:Roper Klacks|Roper Klacks]] ([[User talk:Roper Klacks|talk]]) 14:56, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 
== Table for Compute Module 3 Lite is kind of wrong.. ==
 
"The CM3L brings the SD card interface to the Module pins so a user can wire this up to an eMMC or SD card of their choice." Does the table imply an interface you can plug in? There space is small to get the right idea across.. what should we do? [[User:Comp.arch|comp.arch]] ([[User talk:Comp.arch|talk]]) 11:36, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 
== A coin for scale ==
 
I second a previous comment made in 2012: It would be great to have an image with a coin/credit card for scale. --[[User:Jeran Renz|Jeran Renz]] ([[User talk:Jeran Renz|talk]]) 13:26, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
 
== Citation for "opensource firmware" ==
 
Here is a reference to the open source firmware.
https://github.com/christinaa/rpi-open-firmware
 
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== Conflicting information on Pi 2 ==
I see one place where it says 512MB and another that says 1M. I don't think Pi 2 had 1M, the Pi 3 does. I do have both.
[[User:Bcw142|Bcw142]] ([[User talk:Bcw142|talk]]) 14:37, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 
== PR speak - [[WP:NPOV]] ==
 
Encyclopedic articles should not parrot the company's or organization's talking points and PR slogans. Intentions, motives, and the developers' overall desire to make the world a better place (sorry for the sarcasm) are not encyclopedic facts. Product achievements and successes should not be praised empathically, but described in a ''neutral'' and ''uninvolved'' tone. Of course editors are excited about such new technologies and developments, but these positive opinions should ''not'' be reflected in the article's main text (except from a properly sourced and attributed "Reception" section). I'll try to tone down some of the problematic phrases, but more care should be taken to meet the requirements of [[WP:NPOV]]. [[User:GermanJoe|GermanJoe]] ([[User talk:GermanJoe|talk]]) 19:40, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
 
== Commercial use ==
 
[[User:Proogs|Proogs]] ([[User talk:Proogs|talk]]) 11:18, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 
Hi; I don't edit wikipedia much other than minor edits, so I hope this is right place to ask this.
 
I added some info about a commercial use for a Pi - the Robe MiniMe - that's been reverted. I'd linked to the product's own webpage as proof of its inclusion in the product but I think you need a more independent source. Would an article in the industry press be sufficient? I've found PLSN's road test of the product - would this be a better reference?
[http://plsn.com/articles/road-tests/robe-minime/ PLSN's article] It actively talks about the use of the Raspberry Pi as a media server within the unit.
 
If it's OK, perhaps someone can revert the text back again with this as the reference, please?
Thanks.
:The information needs a source to confirm it is notable. An industry source may be suitable, better than first party source. Also, the content shouldn't be seen as advertising a product - something Wikipedians are particularly vigilant about. More information at [[Wikipedia:Citing sources]]. Feel free to add content back if you have suitable sources. [[User:Jonpatterns|Jonpatterns]] ([[User talk:Jonpatterns|talk]]) 12:05, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 
[[User:Proogs|Proogs]] ([[User talk:Proogs|talk]]) 01:38, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 
Thanks - it's rather difficult to talk about commercial use of something and to name the product without someone taking it as an advert. Is there an accepted way of phrasing something such that it mentions a commercial product without it being misinterpreted? Perhaps I should just be nonspecific when mentioning it - but then it becomes a useless addition to the 'commercial' section!
 
== Raspberry Pi Zero WH is missing ==
See https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/zero-wh/ --[[Special:Contributions/91.221.59.24|91.221.59.24]] ([[User talk:91.221.59.24|talk]]) 11:58, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
:Pi Zero WH is not missing - it is exact Pi Zero W, the only difference is the goldpin factory-made soldered --[[User:Jasc PL|Jasc PL]] ([[User talk:Jasc PL|talk]]) 13:20, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
 
== Images of Raspberry Pi 3 B+ already in Commons ==
 
Good news - 19 a good quality photos under CC license was uploaded to [[c:Category:Raspberry_Pi_3_Model_B%2B]]. --[[User:Jasc PL|Jasc PL]] ([[User talk:Jasc PL|talk]]) 02:09, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
 
== infobox name ==
 
I noticed that the infobox name is '''"Raspberry Pi 3 Model B+ (latest version)"''' - this is incorrect, as the article is '''"Raspberry Pi"''' and the infobox title should reflect this. I went into the article to change it, and see the following:
 
<nowiki>|name = Raspberry Pi&nbsp;3 Model&nbsp;B+ (latest version) <!-- Please don't rename --></nowiki>
 
What rationale is there for there to be an insistence on "Please don't rename"? Having the title as "Raspberry Pi 3 Model B+ (latest version)" is a bad thing - the B+ doesn't even have a section within the article, yet we announce it at the top.
 
The model history is covered in the Overview section - it's not the job of the infobox to list the latest model available. [[User:Chaheel Riens|Chaheel Riens]] ([[User talk:Chaheel Riens|talk]]) 13:38, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
: Agreed. The image caption should be model specific, the infobox title shouldn't. [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] ([[User talk:Andy Dingley|talk]]) 14:04, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks for the second opinion. I've been bold and changed it. [[User:Chaheel Riens|Chaheel Riens]] ([[User talk:Chaheel Riens|talk]]) 16:59, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 
== Raspberry pi zero ==
 
Date in paragraph is 2019. A future date in the context does not seem correct. I do not know the correct date. [[User:Simonthecarpenter|Simonthecarpenter]] ([[User talk:Simonthecarpenter|talk]]) 22:46, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 
:{{ping|Simonthecarpenter}} I have reverted a recent unconstructive edit to fix the problem, thank you for pointing this out. [[User:GermanJoe|GermanJoe]] ([[User talk:GermanJoe|talk]]) 23:18, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 
== Second paragraph cleanup ==
 
Does the article actually benefit from having ''that'' many figures of n-boards-sold-by-month-M? I can understand an important milestone or two in addition to one recent figure, but 5 in total seems a bit much. [[User:BZRatfink|BZRatfink]] ([[User talk:BZRatfink|talk]]) 02:10, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 
:Agree, both the amount of detail and its placement as a prominent lead paragraph are undue weight. Several of these numbers are also only based on the organization's information from press releases and interviews, and do not represent significant lead-worthy milestones (which should be established by in-depth coverage in truely independent non-PR publications). [[User:GermanJoe|GermanJoe]] ([[User talk:GermanJoe|talk]]) 02:47, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 
== REQ: punc fix, cap fix ==
 
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== Raspberry Pi Model A+ ==
 
* http://www.raspberrypi.org/raspberry-pi-model-a-plus-on-sale/
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