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Welcome to the [[discussion page]]. This page provides space for community members to discuss housekeeping, project and article issues. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Final_Fantasy&action=edit&section=new Click here] to add an issue to the discussion below, or [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Final_Fantasy&action=edit here] to edit the page to respond to a specific issue.

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# [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Final Fantasy/archive1|6 July 2005 - 7 July 2005]]

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# [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Final Fantasy/archive4|7 September 2005 - 30 November 2005]]

# [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Final Fantasy/archive5|1 December 2005 - 12 January 2006]]

# [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Final Fantasy/archive6|12 January 2006 - 5 February 2006]]

# [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Final Fantasy/archive7|6 February 2006 - 21 March 2006]]

# [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Final Fantasy/archive8|21 March 2006 - 11 April 2006]]

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==Housekeeping==

=== Clean-up Suggestions ===

I'm assigning a few tasks to keep the articles under the project umbrella nice and tidy. Several of you practice these on a regular basis, but since it's difficult to keep watch on every single article, please take initiative and fix these problems as they cross your path. ~ [[User:Hibana|Hibana]] 17:53, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

<div style="float: right; width: 196px; margin: 0 10px 10px 30px;">{{WPFF Archives}}</div>

====Minor tasks====

Effective May 2007, all topics with the

*Removal of [[second person]] pronouns, such as "you" and "your" and replacement with proper syntax like "the player".

{{resolved}}

*Decapitalization of words such as [[chocobo]], [[moogle]], and [[esper]], as they do not appear capitalized within the games except when they are part of a formal title, such as "Chocobo Ranch".

template will be archived after three to five days. This keeps the talkpage fresh with current issues. All resolved topics can be viewed in the respective archives to your left. Although they are sorted by month (or in some cases even less), they might not be in perfect chronological order &mdash; instead, they are archived in the order they were resolved. The discussion should be archived in the month where the bulk of the discussion took place (if 9/10 of a discussion occurred in June and another 1/10 in July, then it should be in the June archive).

*Expansion of abbreviations, especially RPG to [[computer role-playing game]] or [[console role-playing game]], and FF to ''Final Fantasy''.

*Italicization of game and film titles.

*Instances of "Square-Enix" with a hyphen should be corrected as Square Enix; although the official website contains the hyphen for HTML purposes, the company's title contains a space.

The current month's archive is [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Final Fantasy/archive/33|here]].

====Redirects====

[[Wikipedia:Redirect|Redirects]] have become rampant in these past few months. Many of them are a result of major merges, such as [[Summon magic (Final Fantasy)]] into [[Final Fantasy magic]] and [[Compilation of Final Fantasy VII]] into [[Final Fantasy VII]]. These should be fixed and pinpointed (i.e. <nowiki>[[Final Fantasy magic#Summon magic|summon magic]]</nowiki>) where appropriate. Some of them may not be as obvious, and may require disambiguation. [[Sephiroth]] is frequently wiki'd in place of [[Sephiroth (Final Fantasy VII)]] even though it links to a disambiguation page. Be sure to check all articles containing these redirects using the "What links here" option.

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===Categories for deletion===

==April 2009 Roll Call==

==Community==

* [[User:Judgesurreal777|Judgesurreal777]] ([[User talk:Judgesurreal777|talk]]) 19:23, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

===August roll call===

* &mdash; '''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User talk:Deckiller|er]]''' 23:31, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

The year is halfway over, guys. What are you working on as we head into this second half?

* --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 02:05, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

* [[User:Ost316|Ost]] ([[User talk:Ost316|talk]]) 14:23, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

* [[User:WhiteArcticWolf|WhiteArcticWolf]] ([[User talk:WhiteArcticWolf|talk]]) 20:45, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

* [[User:Sjones23|Sjones23]] ([[User talk:Sjones23|talk]] - [[User contributions:Sjones23|contributions]]) 16:00, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

== Final Fantasy IV FA status ==

# [[User:Renmiri|Renmiri]] Here for minor tasks and vandalism patrol. Oh and archived this talk page

# '''[[User:Crazyswordsman|Sir Crazyswordsman]]''' I'm not going anywhere! I'll stay and see what needs to be done. If FFIV, FFVII, or FFIX are going to have an FA push, let me know so I can help. I actually plan on doing ''[[Chrono Cross]]'' once Chrono Trigger's push is over as well. Also, I'm probably going to work on getting [[Terra Branford]] and [[Magus (Chrono Trigger)]] to Good Article status.

# [[User:RaCha'ar|RaCha'ar]] Yo. Next project: consolidating FFTA classes. After that: THE WORLD! -[[User:RaCha'ar|RaCha&#39;ar]] 14:21, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

# [[User:ZeWrestler|<span style="color:green">ZeWrestler</span>]] [[user talk:ZeWrestler|^{<span style="color:green">Talk</span>}]] --Alive and kicking. super happy about the recent FA's this project generated. Moving soon too new university. might disapear for a bit. But i'm around. --[[User:ZeWrestler|<span style="color:green">ZeWrestler</span>]] [[user talk:ZeWrestler|^{<span style="color:green">Talk</span>}]] 14:35, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

# --[[User:JiFish|JiFish]](^{[[User_talk:JiFish|Talk]]}/_{[[Special:Contributions/JiFish|Contrib]]}) - Still alive, will start to edit again soon, promise.

#[[User:Ryu Kaze|Ryu Kaze]] — I'm here obviously, working on getting ''[[Final Fantasy X-2]]'', ''[[Chrono Trigger]]'' and ''[[Shadow of the Colossus]]'' to FA status. The first two are almost there, I think (they're currently in FACs), but ''Shadow'' may have some ways to go. [[User:Ryu Kaze|Ryu Kaze]] 18:43, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

#[[User:Deckiller|Deckiller]] - working on tailoring FFX-2 with Ryu, planning on working on FFIX and FFIV next, if possible. &mdash; '''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User:Deckiller/EA|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User talk:Deckiller|r]]''' 18:44, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

#[[User:Axem Titanium|Axem Titanium]] - I'm doing stuff around. I'd really like to get involved in helping create a FA, but I'm not sure how. BTW, it's spelled "ZA WARUDO". [[User:Axem Titanium|Axem Titanium]] 19:08, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

#[[User:PresN|PresN]] - I'm just chillin' out, maxin' relaxin' all cool. I'll muck a bit with the FF pages, like FFIV and V, and keep going with the housekeeping I've been doing here and at the main CVG project. --[[User:PresN|PresN]] 20:48, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

#[[User:Hibana|Hibana]] - overseeing the articles for the new releases for this month, will probably standardize ''[[Final Fantasy II]]'', digging up references for ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' ~ [[User:Hibana|Hibana]] 21:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

#[[User:Wwwwolf|Wwwwolf]] - nominally here tweaking around, though most of my time in WP goes on admin stuff. I will get back playing FF8 soon. For real. Honest. --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|barks]]/[[Special:Contributions/Wwwwolf|growls]]) 11:17, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

#[[User:Tristam|Tristam]] - I tried my hand at the quirky ''[[Square's Tom Sawyer]]''. More importantly, I've been completely rewriting the ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' article. So before you guys have a go at it, please let me finish my rewrite, because otherwise we'll have a lot of stuff clashing. Oh, and it looks like someone nominated ''[[Final Fantasy Mystic Quest]]'' (which I rewrote) for Good Article status. :) --[[User:Tristam|Tristam]] 16:44, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

#[[User:Raditzu|Raditzu]] - Fixing minor mistakes such as typos.

#[[User:Warpedmirror|<font face="tahoma" color="mediumblue">'''warped'''mirror</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Warpedmirror|<font color="mediumblue" face="tahoma">talk</font>]])</small> &ndash; Just the occasional minor edits.

#[[User:TheEmulatorGuy|TheEmulatorGuy]] - Just to cleanup whatever issues I find. Hopefully soon I'll be able to get [[List of Final Fantasy characters]] deleted.

#[[User:Cocopopz2005|Cocopopz2005]] - Can you guys gimme me something to clean up or add infomation to, so you guys can test and trust me? Post on my talk page or main page if you want, right [[User talk:Cocopopz2005|here]]. I just did some minor cleaning up in [[Fat Chocobo]]. What do you think?

#[[User:Keyblade Wielder|Keyblade Wielder]] - Working on fixing up the notable Armo(u)r's page and a few other small things.

FYI- [[Final Fantasy IV]] is in need of some maintenance or it could very easily be taken to FAR. The article falls under 4 cleanup categories, some of which have been dated for a while.

===Good Article Collaboration of the Week===

*Articles with unsourced statements (Aug 2008)

<table><td class="boilerplate metadata" id="SCOTW" style="border:1px solid #8888aa; background-color:#F8EABA; text-align:center; font-size:100%; padding:4px">

*Wikipedia articles with plot summary needing attention (Oct 2008)

[[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|60px|left]]The current [[Wikipedia:Good Article Collaboration of the week|Good article Collaboration of the Week]] is {{Wikipedia:Good Article Collaboration of the week/current}}<br>Please help to improve this article to the [[WP:PERFECT|highest of standards]].</td></table> --[[User:ZeWrestler|<span style="color:green">ZeWrestler</span>]] [[user talk:ZeWrestler|^{<span style="color:green">Talk</span>}]] 00:39, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

*Articles to be expanded (Jan 2009)

*Articles with dead external links (Mar 2009)

At the very least, fixing the plot summary and dead links should buy it some more time, and are probably the least daunting of the list. ([[User:Guyinblack25|Guyinblack25]] ^{[[User talk:Guyinblack25|talk]]} 21:51, 9 March 2009 (UTC))

==Issues==

:Dead link now resolved. --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 23:04, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I've written the article about [[Fat Chocobo]]. Now all that I need is more info about Chubby Chocobo in [[Chocobo Racing]] and the Japanese text. --[[User:Frid|Frid]] 10:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

==Final Fantasy FAR notification==

===Image summaries and licensing===

{{#if:|[[User:{{{2}}}]] has|I have}} nominated [[Final Fantasy]] for a [[Wikipedia:Featured article review/Final Fantasy|featured article review here]]. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets [[Wikipedia:What is a featured article?|featured article criteria]]. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are [[Wikipedia:Featured article review|here]]. -- [[User:AnmaFinotera|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>AnmaFinotera</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AnmaFinotera|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/AnmaFinotera|contribs]]) 06:44, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Images without proper summaries and fair-use rationale are easy grounds by which to refuse an article FA status, and can also be grounds for the deletion of the images. Thought I'd remind everybody and hopefully save us all some headaches. [[User:Ryu Kaze|Ryu Kaze]] 17:02, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

== Merger discussion ==

===FFX on the front page ===

::::I'd appreciate it if you could help with that, Tyler. I requested July 19 (the fifth anniversary of the game's release), and that date is fast-approaching. Since there hasn't been a response yet, I was getting a little anxious. [[User:Ryu Kaze|Ryu Kaze]] 14:07, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

* You guys got it!!! July 19 will be the day [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Final_Fantasy_X&curid=723074&diff=62985401&oldid=61811962]. Woohooo! Congratulations to all, but mostly for you two [[User:Renmiri|Renmiri]] 02:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

:Thanks a lot. ^__^ [[User:Ryu Kaze|Ryu Kaze]] 03:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

::Many thanks :) &mdash; '''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User:Deckiller/EA|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User talk:Deckiller|r]]''' 03:45, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

:::Looks nifty, good sirs. [[User:Crazyswordsman|Crazyswordsman]] 01:19, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

At [[WT:VG]], we're jumpstarting our inactive/limited-scope project initiative, which is aimed at streamlining and centralizing video game coverage on Wikipedia. I can see from the archives that a previous proposal on this subject was held in December, but there wasn't much discussion. What I'd like to do is talk with members of the FF project and determine if you're interested in becoming a task force within [[WP:VG]]. I think you're doing great work, but the scope of this project is relatively small (the main page says 158 articles). Joining WP:VG would allow us to centralize discussion on Final Fantasy articles and hopefully expose all video game articles to a wider range of editors. The Square Enix project, while larger in scope than Final Fantasy, seems to be less active and I'll be contacting them as well. The way I look at it, there are several options:

===Attention FFXI players!===

[[List of Final Fantasy XI characters]] needs your help! There's a couple of places that have way, way, way too much information (Prince Trion is a good example). I do not play FFXI anymore and quit shortly before the release of the last expansion, so I'm not a good person to try to cut this text down to the relevant bits. If you still play and/or are familiar with some of these characters, please take a look if you have a chance and try editing some things down. Also, be aware that I cut out a huge amount of copyvio'd text copied from Playonline.com and be on the lookout for any more infractions. Thanks! -[[User:RaCha'ar|RaCha&#39;ar]] 15:08, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

*Nothing happens. VG and FF remain as-is.

===Request: more details for FF7===

Request: Please write a detail account of the story of [[Final_Fantasy_VII#Story]]. I think it is too short. I highly prefer a detail account of the story like the one in [[Final_Fantasy_VI#Story]].

*FF merges with VG and becomes the Final Fantasy taskforce.

===Major issues===

:I just noticed we are WAY behind on our cruft merging. &mdash; '''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User:Deckiller/EA|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User talk:Deckiller|r]]''' 21:04, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

::On the subject of cruft-merging, any chance we can also get a consensus on what to do with the character class articles? Merge them certainly, but leave them in list format or prosify? As soon as there's consensus on that I'm more than ready to start cleaning out the individual class articles that aren't notable enough for their own article. -[[User:RaCha'ar|RaCha&#39;ar]] 21:36, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

:::I don't really mind, as long as gameguide info is out and the info is compressed. Games like Final Fantasy tactics make their living on classes (so perhaps the two tactics games should get their own article?). We really only need one article describing the classes with a "real world" perspective (although that can be tough with video game articles). &mdash; '''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User:Deckiller/EA|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User talk:Deckiller|r]]''' 21:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

*FF and SE merge with VG and become the Final Fantasy taskforce.

===Final Fantasy Haeresis XIII===

::I've gone ahead and merged it. ~ [[User:Hibana|Hibana]] 22:00, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

*FF and SE merge with VG and become the Square Enix taskforce. This would be the best option, in my opinion—it would create an ideal taskforce, one with a large scope and hopefully many active members.

===Page renames===

::Honestly, that sounds acceptable to me. The more I think on it, the more I agree that using "Final Fantasy" as a adjective is a little goofy-sounding. &ndash; &ndash; [[User:Seancdaug|Sean Daugherty]] <small>[[User talk:Seancdaug|(talk)]]</small> 16:59, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

:::Awesome. It'd be great if [[User:RaCha'ar|RaCha&#39;ar]] or [[User:Hibana|Hibana]] could comment on this. A pet peeve of mine is that in articles like [[Final Fantasy magic]], the main point of the article (magic) is neither capitalized nor is it the first word in the title. [[User:Axem Titanium|Axem Titanium]] 22:52, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

::::I'm still not a big fan of "List of stuff in the Final Fantasy series" as a format, but I guess saying "blah blah in Final Fantasy" instead of "Final Fantasy blah blah" wouldn't be too horrible. There's just SO many links to change that it makes my head hurt just thinking about it. I still prefer things the way they were, but I can see the logic of the change. -[[User:RaCha'ar|RaCha&#39;ar]] 17:37, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm against renaming. "Magic" is such vast subject and applies to so many articles that we run the risk of putting a needle in a haystack, unneccesarily. We all know the "drinking from a firehose" feel of getting a search page with thousands of articles weakly related to what you are looking for. Magic fans will be annoyed to find games they never heard about in the midst of the stuff they want to read. The only readers interested in "the magic of ''Final Fantasy'' are readers familiar with the game and they will find all Final Fantasy related articles easily using our current naming convention. Let's face it: Final Fantasy "magic" is NOT '''Magic''' and should not be lumped with it. [[User:Renmiri|Renmiri]] 14:41, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

:I really don't think making the article title [[Magic in Final Fantasy]] would lump it with "magic" any more than [[Final Fantasy magic]] would. Also, a search for "magic" on wikipedia yields 26915, which is a hefty amount, with or without one extra article documenting an important aspect of Final Fantasy. In that same search, seven out of the first eleven results documented radio stations, rather than any esoteric phenomena. In fact, I didn't see anything remotely related to magic in video games until [[Blue Magic]] on the 3rd page, roughly the 45th result. At any rate, "magic aficionados" will have trouble enough finding what they're looking for, whether or not this article is there. On the other hand, "Magic in Final Fantasy" would not only avoid using "Final Fantasy" as an adjective, it would clarify it as a concept in "Final Fantasy", rather looking like a loose collection of mildly related words (which would certainly be the case to a layperson). Actually, "Final Fantasy magic" is probably more likely to be confused as an article on magic than "Magic in Final Fantasy" because people would believe "Final Fantasy" to be a brand of magic, assuming they had no idea what "Final Fantasy" was. [[User:Axem Titanium|Axem Titanium]] 05:09, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

::Really, I have to agree that it would be better for those list pages to use something like "Magic in Final Fantasy" or "Weapons in Final Fantasy" as their titles. It will mean a lot of links to be fixed, though, sadly. [[User:Ryu Kaze|Ryu Kaze]] 20:07, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

:::That does seem to be a problem. Isn't there a bot that fixes redirects or something? [[User:Axem Titanium|Axem Titanium]] 20:41, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

:::If this is the agreement, we should probably make a list of all articles that are going to need renames and a very careful eye at their related "what links here" pages, and have project members bid to take on each of the articles, to make sure they're all taken care of. We're going to need a group of people for this; it's a huge project for one or two people. Again, I'll volunteer to help, but I don't have the time to take care of more than one or two articles. Merging the character classes was a huge headache in terms of changing wikilinks and I can't imagine how much worse this will be. -[[User:RaCha'ar|RaCha&#39;ar]] 20:53, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

::::Well, for starters, the stuff at the bottom of [[Template:Final Fantasy series]]. I'll compile a complete list as soon as I can. [[User:Axem Titanium|Axem Titanium]] 02:13, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Thoughts? — <small><b><span style="border:1px solid#000000;padding:1px 3px;font-family:Chicago,sans-serif;"><span style="color:#000000;">[[User:Vantine84|<span style="color:#000000;">Levi van Tine</span>]] ([[User talk:Vantine84|<span style="color:#000000;">t</span>]] – [[Special:Contributions/Vantine84|<span style="color:#000000;">c</span>]])</span></span></b></small> 07:37, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

The following is a list of possible articles that may need to be renamed per above. I'd be happy to shoulder as much work as needed to get it done. [[User:Axem Titanium|Axem Titanium]] 16:16, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

*[[List of Final Fantasy airships]]

*[[Final Fantasy bestiary]]

*[[List of Final Fantasy characters]] --> [[List of characters in Final Fantasy]]?

*[[Final Fantasy character classes]]

*[[Final Fantasy designers]] --> [[Designers of Final Fantasy]]?

*[[Items in the Final Fantasy series]]

*[[Category:Final Fantasy locations]]

*[[Final Fantasy magic]] --> [[Magic in Final Fantasy]]?

*[[Category:Final Fantasy minigames]]

*[[Final Fantasy music]]

*[[Races of Final Fantasy]] - Probably not

*[[Final Fantasy weapons]]

*[[List of Final Fantasy titles]] - Probably not

:Are we only doing the changes for articles that apply to the overall series, not for individual games? For example, [[Final Fantasy XI character classes]] > [[List of character classes in Final Fantasy XI]]? -[[User:RaCha'ar|RaCha&#39;ar]] 17:43, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

::I actually don't have an opinion on this. We could if we want to and it would give a sense of uniformity of style though. [[User:Axem Titanium|Axem Titanium]] 18:12, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Definitely go for uniformity. There's not quite as many lists as I had thought, but it would still be a pain in the ass to fix all those broken links. As long as a group effort is made, though, it wouldn't be that bad. I've fixed redirects on occasions like this about three or four times since I started working on this WikiProject, and it would be horrible for one or two people to fix all of these. Anyway, if it's agreed upon that we do this, I volunteer to help fix two or three of them. [[User:Ryu Kaze|Ryu Kaze]] 19:22, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

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===Character class merges ahoy!===

:::::::Okay. All classes except those mentioned above have been merged and redirected, and I think/hope I've caught all the wikilinks to the previous articles for character classes and pointed them in the right direction. If I've missed any please feel free to fix them or point them out to me. -[[User:RaCha'ar|RaCha&#39;ar]] 20:01, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

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===Newest Featured Articles===

[[Final Fantasy VI]] and [[Final Fantasy VIII]] have both joined the ranks of other featured articles generated from this project. Congradulations to all the editors who put time into those articles to make them what they are now. --[[User:ZeWrestler|<span style="color:green">ZeWrestler</span>]] [[user talk:ZeWrestler|^{<span style="color:green">Talk</span>}]] 17:18, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

:That's absolutely incredible. Big, huge congratulations to all involved! -[[User:RaCha'ar|RaCha&#39;ar]] 17:19, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

::A big thanks to everyone involved. I will make sure to give everyone who helped a barnstar. '''[[User:Crazyswordsman|Sir Crazyswordsman]]''' 19:54, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Woohooo!!! Congratulations CSM, Deck, Ryu and all the editors that pitched in to help!!! [[User:Renmiri|Renmiri]] 03:08, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

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:Thanks for the congrats. ^^ [[User:Ryu Kaze|Ryu Kaze]] 18:43, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

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===Good Articles===

I added in Aerith and Cloud, not sure when they hit GA status, but they are now! --[[User:PresN|PresN]] 20:46, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. — [[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]]&nbsp;{^{[[User talk:Headbomb|ταλκ]]}<sub style="margin-left:-4.0ex;">[[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|κοντριβς]]</sub>&nbsp;&ndash;&nbsp;[[WP:PHYS|WP Physics]]} 09:08, 15 March, 2009 (UTC)

:Ryu did some of the major work there. Although much of the push was helped by anons and new editors, believe it or not. '''[[User:Crazyswordsman|<font color="orange">Sir Crazyswordsman</font>]]''' 20:54, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I totally didn't check the "Media" section of the GA list last time, so now there's Jenova, Sephiroth, Tidus, and Yuna in the list! --[[User:PresN|PresN]] 18:40, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

:Hopefully we can get the rest of the main characters up there as well. [[Squall Leonheart]] and [[Terra Branford]] are close, and I'm planning on having [[Terra Branford]] peer reviewed. '''[[User:Crazyswordsman|<font color="orange">Sir Crazyswordsman</font>]]''' 01:43, 4 August 2006

(UTC)

* Yeah, I've been working on Squall Leonhart off and on, I plan on making a few tweaks and nominating it. I wish the GA process was quick as it used to be. Oh, by the way, tip: I highly recommend focusing on the main articles to be featured articles; character articles should just focus on achieving GA status. &mdash; '''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User:Deckiller/EA|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User talk:Deckiller|r]]''' 02:39, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

**I could use some help with Terra's article as well. '''[[User:Crazyswordsman|<font color="orange">Sir Crazyswordsman</font>]]''' 13:00, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

***I can devote some free time when i get it to help out with her article. --[[User:ZeWrestler|<span style="color:green">ZeWrestler</span>]] [[user talk:ZeWrestler|^{<span style="color:green">Talk</span>}]] 14:20, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

== [[Final Fantasy (video game)|''Final Fantasy'' (video game)]] attains Good Article status! ==

[[Final Fantasy Magic]] looks like a promising article to attempt to bring up to GA status. What do you guys think?--[[User:ZeWrestler|<span style="color:green">ZeWrestler</span>]] [[user talk:ZeWrestler|^{<span style="color:green">Talk</span>}]] 14:20, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

*It still needs sources :( &mdash; '''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User:Deckiller/EA|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User talk:Deckiller|r]]''' 15:24, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[[FinalAnd Fantasywith Mystic Quest]] hitthat GA, today! itwe'sre updatednow bothup hereto and50 atGAs, CVGFAs, and FLs! --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 1517:3208, 419 AugustMarch 20062009 (UTC)

*Hooray! My efforts finally culminated in some kind of article distinction. All the better that it's part of the FF Wikiproject. :) --[[User:Tristam|Tristam]] 19:25, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

::Well done. Congrats. [[User:Ryu Kaze|Ryu Kaze]] 16:16, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

== Virtual Console/WiiWare ==

And Squall hits GA! I updated it at CVG, but Deckiller got it here first. I like seeing that list get longer :) --[[User:PresN|PresN]] 16:06, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

This [http://blog.wired.com/games/2009/03/final-fantasy-c.html bit of news] is probably relevant to several of this project's articles. – [[User:Cyrus XIII|Cyrus XIII]] ^{([[User talk:Cyrus XIII|talk]])} 01:37, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

=== To Do list ===

== Discography of the Chocobo series GAN ==

has anyone else noticed our todo list has thinned greatly. Maybe it is time we give it a mass update? --[[User:ZeWrestler|<span style="color:green">ZeWrestler</span>]] [[user talk:ZeWrestler|^{<span style="color:green">Talk</span>}]] 14:21, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

:We have so many GAs and FAs that not many people gave it much thought. We're just doing stuff as we go along, methinks. Eventually it all gets positive results. '''[[User:Crazyswordsman|<font color="orange">Sir Crazyswordsman</font>]]''' 15:06, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

* I'm going to be very bold and make a few considerable merges, and if I get objections, at least it'll rekindle the todo list :) &mdash; '''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User:Deckiller/EA|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User talk:Deckiller|r]]''' 04:19, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

::If one of them is perchance to merge the different Final Fantasy Tactics Advance character class articles into one article, I have just about finished the article in my sandbox, so you can hold off on that until it's done. If not, well... the article is almost done! Yay! -[[User:RaCha'ar|RaCha&#39;ar]] 04:53, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Cool! I was talking about merging the battle systems into one article, "Battle systems in Final Fantasy". I'm thinking about calling it "Square Enix battle systems". &mdash; '''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User:Deckiller/EA|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User talk:Deckiller|r]]''' 04:55, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

::::Awesome and past due, if previous conversation on the character classes page is any indication. Good call. -[[User:RaCha'ar|RaCha&#39;ar]] 04:58, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

* Okay, rough, unpolished stone = [[Square Enix battle systems]]. &mdash; '''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User:Deckiller/EA|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User talk:Deckiller|r]]''' 05:11, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[[Discography of the Chocobo series|Discography of the ''Chocobo'' series]] is now at GAN. It is the last "discography of" article to go for that status, and when it passes, will leave only [[Music of Final Fantasy]] remaining to complete the full FF Music GoodTopic. --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 22:39, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

===Changes to a bunch of articles===

:Wow! You've done some great work with those articles! Would Discographies be the first Good Topic for this project? I'm unaware if there is more. [[User:WhiteArcticWolf|WhiteArcticWolf]] ([[User talk:WhiteArcticWolf|talk]]) 00:58, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

[[User:Druff]] has gone through and removed the nihongo Japanese transliteration of all of the numbers of the FF games with the comment "There is absolutely no need to convert roman numerals to phonetics." See a sample diff [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Final_Fantasy_XI&curid=419271&diff=67776747&oldid=67424908 here]. I assume there's a reason they were all like that in the first place, but without knowing for a fact myself, figured I'd bring it here so someone who does know can correct it or acknowledge that it's already corrected in the first place. -[[User:RaCha'ar|RaCha&#39;ar]] 17:25, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

::No, FF8 is an FT (it's in trouble though) and FF12 is a GT, though my [[Discography of Final Fantasy XII|DoFF12]] is in that last one. (I didn't do [[Discography of Final Fantasy VIII|DoFF8]], it's the only one to precede me.) --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 05:55, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

::Meh... Changes like this must be discussed here. Just yesterday I was telling someone to check Wikipedia for phonetics and Japanese naming for Yaibal and Youcum. We need that in the articles. It's not gamecruft, doesn't help in the game, it is language and culture, it belongs here. Reverting [[User:Renmiri|Renmiri]] 19:10, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Looks like FF8's FT is out of trouble for the time being; Rinoa was merged. &mdash; '''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User talk:Deckiller|er]]''' 02:15, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

:::Clearly the phonetic renderings of katakana spellings (such as ファイナルファンタジー) have their place in an encyclopedic context. However, there's no need for that umbrella to cover roman numerals. When katakana, hiragana, kanji etc. are presented, it makes sense to include their pronunciation. But there's no need to inform the reader on how to pronounce roman numberals. Information on how Japanese speakers pronounce "ファイナルファンタジー" is useful information. Information on how they pronounce roman numerals is irrelevant. [[User:Druff|Druff]] 01:33, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

::::I can see either argument, but since they pronounce the roman numerals from ''Final Fantasy'' titles while trying to imitate English phonetics (like the "Final Fantasy" part itself), I think it's relevant. If they pronounced the roman numerals the same way they pronounce their numbers normally, it probably wouldn't be as valuable to provide a romaji representation. [[User:Ryu Kaze|Ryu Kaze]] 13:08, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

:::::On the contrary, if they were pronouncing the roman numerals as Japanese numbers, then it would make sense to provide their Japanese translation. But since they're essentially trying to pronounce them as they would be in English, providing the pronunciation comes off as circular, unnecessary, and crufty. [[User:Druff|Druff]] 16:07, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

::::::But would people be able to tell that they were pronounced in the Engrishy way just by looking at the katakana? Chances are that they won't and even if they could, it wouldn't hurt the article to have one extra word inside the nihongo template. Besides, {{Nihongo|'''''Final Fantasy'''''|ファイナルファンタジー|Fainaru Fantajī}} is just as Engrishy as any of those Roman numeral pronunciations and we're not removing them, are we? [[User:Axem Titanium|Axem Titanium]] 16:18, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

:::::::I just explained as clearly as I could why I think the katakana pronunciations should not be removed, but the roman numeral pronunciations should. It's as though you completely ignored what I said. It has nothing to do with "Engrish". It has to do with relevant, encyclopedic content. However, it's clear that I'm outnumbered by this little clique who has seen fit to become a group of Wiki enforcers, so I'll just drop this and let the cruft build up. [[User:Druff|Druff]] 17:35, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

::::::::Please [[Wikipedia:Civility|be civil]]. There was really no call for that. -[[User:RaCha'ar|RaCha&#39;ar]] 17:39, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

== Request for assistance at [[Gameplay of Final Fantasy]] ==

::::::::I'm sorry, but there's a difference between {{nihongo|thirteen|十三|jūsan}} and {{nihongo|thirteen|XIII|sātīn}}. [[User:Axem Titanium|Axem Titanium]] 18:39, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::That's precisely my point. I support providing the translation and transliteration of 十三, because it's Japanese. XIII is not Japanese, and so I see no need for translation or transliteration, just as the publisher in Japan apparently doesn't see the need either. [[User:Druff|Druff]] 19:54, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

::::But people would think, "Oh. It's a Japanese game so they must pronounce it in Japanese," but then they'd be wrong because the Japanese people pronounce it in English and wikipedia wouldn't be able to inform them of that. And besides, it's still only a few extra letters. It's not like some giant avalanche of cruft is going to appear just because we include that (it hasn't yet and it's been this way for a while). [[User:Axem Titanium|Axem Titanium]] 21:17, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Axem came close to emphasising the point I was trying to: since they aren't pronouncing them the way the Japanese normally would pronounce those numbers, it's more valuable to point out how they actually ''are'' pronouncing them. Normally one would expect Japanese people to pronounce something the Japanese way. If, however, they aren't, then such an assumption would prove misleading. Really, I think we should use the romaji representation in all cases. I think it's ''most'' valuable in the cases where they're using non-Japanese pronunciation (as you could normally expect Japanese people to pronounce things in Japanese), but I think it serves a relevant purpose of clarity in ''every'' case. [[User:Ryu Kaze|Ryu Kaze]] 16:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

::::Agreed! Good point Axem! [[User:Renmiri|Renmiri]] 18:08, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I've been hard at work on this article over the past few days. It's not really my ___domain of expertise, but I've found a few great sources that discuss common parts of the gameplay in the series. This includes the battle system, certain character classes, magic, and even modes of transport.

===[[Final Fantasy (video game)]]===

An editor just added quite a bit of information &mdash; it needs some compressing and a copyedit. &mdash; '''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User:Deckiller/EA|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User talk:Deckiller|r]]''' 04:58, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

The last part that's proving really hard is the stuff about equipment. Yes, it's true that most games in the series have a Genji Glove. But I can't [[WP:V|verify]] that for the life of me. I'd like to verify this kind of thing without using 12 different strategy guides, if at all possible. But I wanted to see if any of you wanted to give it a shot.

=== [[Blitzball]] ===

[[Image:Bevbells.jpg|300px|right]]

Found the following team logos on my Ultimania Omega: Bevelle Bells and Yocun Nomads (pic below). Shall I add them to the sectio that lists "other teams" such as the Zanarkand Duggles ? [[User:Renmiri|Renmiri]] 06:49, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

:Probably should just for comprehensiveness' sake. [[User:Ryu Kaze|Ryu Kaze]] 12:55, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

::Oh we definitely need these images. '''[[User:Crazyswordsman|<font color="orange">Sir Crazyswordsman</font>]]''' 01:10, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Added it to [http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_blitzball_teams FF Wiki] too, of course! [[User:Renmiri|Renmiri]] 19:57, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

::::You're good at this, Ren. I only wish Amano art was easier to comeby. Thankfully Amano released a book of his FF art for the first ten games. '''[[User:Crazyswordsman|<font color="orange">Sir Crazyswordsman</font>]]''' 01:39, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Check out [[Gameplay of Final Fantasy]] and see what you can do. The prose could be improved, if nothing else. [[User:Randomran|Randomran]] ([[User talk:Randomran|talk]]) 01:47, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

===Final Fantasy VII and timeline===

:If anyone finds something talking about the music over the course of the series, pass it on as well- I'm ''finally'' working on [[Music of Final Fantasy]], and I'd like more stuff to use to talk about the series as a whole, rather than just individual games. --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 01:48, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

[[Final Fantasy VII timeline]] and [[Final Fantasy VII terms]] need to be merged into one general article. I added tags. &mdash; '''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User:Deckiller/EA|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User talk:Deckiller|r]]''' 23:16, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

::I don't recall if there was anything specific to the Final Fantasy series, but Nobuo Uematsu was interviewed in Nintendo Power a few issues ago. —[[User:Ost316|Ost]] ([[User talk:Ost316|talk]]) 15:53, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

:What disturbs me is why we have a timeline for FFVII and not Chrono Trigger. CT is clearly the game that revolves around timelines. '''[[User:Crazyswordsman|<font color="orange">Sir Crazyswordsman</font>]]''' 01:10, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

::If I were to say which game had greater need of a timeline, I'd say it's ''Final Fantasy VII'', as ''Chrono Trigger'' is extremely straightforward while the other is often convoluted beyond belief for some. However, I don't see the necessity for either game to have a timeline ''here''. This is purely fancruft, and some of it's inaccurate anyway. [[User:Ryu Kaze|Ryu Kaze]] 11:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

::CT straightforward? Timelines are a central theme in Chrono Trigger, and there is much more controversey in CT than in FFVII. CT needs a timeline due to the sheer nature of the game. '''[[User:Crazyswordsman|<font color="orange">Sir Crazyswordsman</font>]]''' 01:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

::::With ''Final Fantasy VII'', many events were intentionally left to have occurred at unspecified points, often with conflicting hints as to when these events may have taken place. Even with the release of an Ultimania for ''VII'', it's still got several things with regard to order of events that are unclear. This is not to say that ''Chrono''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s backstory is crystal clear, but one can fairly easily set down an order of "This happened in this year, this happened in this year, this happened in this year, etc.".

The whole...constellation of "extra" Final Fantasy articles seems to have changed in the past week, let me see if I have this right:

::::I think the emphasis here needs to be on the wording: "timeline" rather "timeline'''s'''". There's plenty of questions that need to be asked about the ''Chrono'' series due to timelines, of course (one of the more obvious of many being how the hell Marle's family got Schala's pendant in the first place, especially if Schala gave it to Kid), but with ''VII'' such simple questions as "When was Sephiroth even born?" can't be answered because of the ambiguity imposed by the developers. Not to mention all the retcons brought on by the Compilation. [[User:Ryu Kaze|Ryu Kaze]] 03:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Perhaps the two articles that [[User:Deckiller|Deckiller]] suggested for merging can be culminated into an article similar to [[User:Crazyswordsman|Crazyswordsman]]'s [[Terminology of Final Fantasy VI]] or [[User:Ryu Kaze|Ryu]]'s comprehensive [[Spira (Final Fantasy X)|Spira]] article. ~ [[User:Hibana|Hibana]] 17:11, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

::::Preferably [[Story of Final Fantasy VII]] to maintain an out of universe perspective (that's why I disliked the rename to Spira, since it sugests that it exists in ''this'' universe). &mdash; '''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User:Deckiller/EA|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User talk:Deckiller|r]]''' 17:53, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:::::If there is such an article, it absolutely must avoid such listing as this, and only have verifiable information. I can provide you with verifiability for a lot of things [http://faqs.ign.com/articles/698/698416p1.html rather easily], but something like this would be a stability nightmare, constantly loaded with fancruft, even in the face of verifiabile information from SE, and is probably not worth the effort. [[User:Ryu Kaze|Ryu Kaze]] 03:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

::::::And that's the reason why FF7 will be the only main FF that isn't promoted to featured article status :) &mdash; '''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User:Deckiller/EA|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User talk:Deckiller|r]]''' 03:15, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:::::::More than likely. [[User:Ryu Kaze|Ryu Kaze]] 14:47, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[[Common elements of Final Fantasy]] was renamed to [[Character design of Final Fantasy]], and everything in it that didn't fit was merged to [[Gameplay of Final Fantasy]], which had originally split off from Common Elements back in November. Then, [[Recurring character names of Final Fantasy]] and [[Monsters of Final Fantasy]] were merged to [[Character design of Final Fantasy]]; leaving as the only side articles "Gameplay", "Character Design", "Character Classes", "Minigames", and "Music"- the ones that are listed at the bottom of the Final Fantasy series template. That all correct? --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 20:00, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

===Secondary sources===

* Sounds about right. The common elemets had become a potpouri. Over the course of a few months, we pulled a few parts out. Now the plot stuff is in the main final fantasy series article. The recurring character names and moogles and chocobos ended up in an article about characters. And everything else is in gameplay. I find that when articles have clearer scope, they tend to attract less original research. [[User:Randomran|Randomran]] ([[User talk:Randomran|talk]]) 20:06, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

[[User:Tristam|Tristam]] and I recently touched on the importance of [[secondary source]]s within computer and video game articles due to a lack of them being a reason the ''[[Final Fantasy IV]]'' article is not FACable. [[Donkey Kong (arcade game)]], for instance, is featured article with several written (book) sources. According to [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources#Some definitions]], primary sources, such as dialogue from the game's themselves or official guidebooks or magazines, should not be solely relied on for references, but authorative printed material such as books on computer and video gaming and even doctoral theses (scholarly presses) should be used. Websites are also used extensively (see [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources#Using online and self-published sources]]).

==[[Crystal Defenders]] in our jurisdiction?==

The problem is that these printed sources are very difficult to come across. I know we've managed a few featured articles in the past few months without such citing, but I'm wondering if anyone has librarian-like skills in digging up secondary printed resources in case we run into this type of problem in the future. I know we have [http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:0PJiLhZ1RVkJ:www.upnaway.com.au/~waldemar/Research/PhD%2520(Submitted%2520to%2520Library).doc+final+fantasy+Anima+Jung+Seymour&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3 this thesis] as an external link in ''[[Final Fantasy X]]'' (props to whomever discovered it), and I'd feel comfortable knowing we have similar material available out there. ~ [[User:Hibana|Hibana]] 00:48, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

We should decide. :) [[User:Judgesurreal777|Judgesurreal777]] ([[User talk:Judgesurreal777|talk]]) 19:22, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

::Gee, thanks and the thesis is quite an interesting read too! [[User:Renmiri|Renmiri]] 01:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

:SecondaryOoh, sourcesthat's area easiertoughie. to comeI'm bygoing onto oldergo gameswith &mdash;yes- likeit's Donkeyset Kongin andIvalice, FFIV.a Ifworld peopleexplicitly startdefined pesteringonly forin '''book'''FF secondary sourcesgames, I'llso askthat themmakes toit findrelated themenough forto themselves,FF sinceto I have NONE around here :) &mdash;count. --'''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User:Deckiller/EAPresN|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green">ePres</fontspan>]][[User talk:DeckillerPresN|r<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 0006:5155, 85 AugustApril 20062009 (UTC)

::Vagrant Story is set in Ivalice too. I think Chrystal Defenders is like Kingdom Hearts; it uses assets and ideas from Final Fantasy but it's not officially Final Fantasy. [[User:Nomchan|Nomchan]] ([[User talk:Nomchan|talk]]) 11:15, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

:Another problem is that there are pratically none (I've never seen a book on final fantasy). If people dare to delist our hard work because of circumstances beyond our control, I may even be compelled to leave and hone my talents elsewhere. &mdash; '''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User:Deckiller/EA|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User talk:Deckiller|r]]''' 00:53, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:::It's definitely FF - as it prominently uses elements of the Tactics Advance / A2 series, right down to the Job costumes for each of the races. If that's not convincing enough, consider it being under Square Enix's ''Final Fantasy Mobile'' brand. &mdash; [[User:Bluerfn|Bl]][[User talk:Bluerfn|ue]][[Special:Contributions/Bluerfn|。]] 12:15, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

::Yeah. As much as I would like to see FFIV featured (it WAS my first after all), it's going to be a real challenge. There's no Ultimania on it and Square's too lazy to make one now. If I were a philosophy major, I probably would write a "Final Fantasy and Philosophy" novel. And either Cecil or Terra would be on the cover to make sure people know I'm covering the whole series and not just the Nomura games. It's like an FFVI fan at CoN once said: "Comparing FFVI to FFVII is like comparing a five star restaurant to a McDonalds. The five star is better, but everyone eats at the McDonalds." '''[[User:Crazyswordsman|<font color="orange">Sir Crazyswordsman</font>]]''' 01:39, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:::That can also be applied to FF8 and FF7, FF10 and FF7, Xenosaga and FF7, and Xenogears and FF7. &mdash; '''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User:Deckiller/EA|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User talk:Deckiller|r]]''' 02:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

::::I can't even find that much information ''VII'' to be honest. You'd think someone would at least write about it's impact on the gaming community. All [[Amazon.com]] has on ''Final Fantasy'' games are strategy guides, sheet music, and a few multimedia articles (who knows what they're about). Although there was one book ([http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0415965799/sr=1-11/qid=1155004436/ref=sr_1_11/102-5173318-4209710?ie=UTF8&s=books The Video Game Theory Reader]) that compares game theory to film theory and has about ten pages of material on ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]''. ~ [[User:Hibana|Hibana]] 02:36, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== [[Final Fantasy V]] dropped from GA ==

I've quite a bit of info on ''VII'', actually. Little (read: maybe one) are scholarly theses, but I do have several magazine articles, official books, and web articles like [http://xenon.stanford.edu/~geksiong/papers/sts145/Squaresoft%20and%20FF7.htm this] (this one ''might'' have been written for scholastic purposes; I can't really tell with how it's explained at the bottom, but given where it's listed and the context, I think so) and [http://flaregamer.com/b2article.php?p=81&more=1 this] (you guys will probably recognize this one as being a reference for the ''VIII'' and ''X'' articles). In any event, I'd think SE to be a rather reliable publisher — an exception for using primary sources — particularly where knowledge of what they created themselves is concerned. It's certainly as reliable as [[Enterbrain]] or [[Future Publishing]] taking the same information, rewording it, and then sticking it in their own publications. After all, where would another publisher be getting the information from? [[User:Ryu Kaze|Ryu Kaze]] 03:22, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:Perhaps we can kidnap and interrogate [[Hironobu Sakaguchi]] to get new information, and call it a "quaternary source" rather than original research. ~ [[User:Hibana|Hibana]] 03:40, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

::That wouldn't work beyond V. Hinorobu didn't have much of a part in the series starting with VI. '''[[User:Crazyswordsman|<font color="orange">Sir Crazyswordsman</font>]]''' 00:40, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

* '''[http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1412900476/104-2855300-3705520?v=glance&n=283155 The Business and Culture of Digital Games]''' by Aphra Kerr was recently published and got good reviews at Edge. Maybe it has something on the FF series ? [[User:Renmiri|Renmiri]] 01:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

::Google gave me also [http://www.jorisdormans.nl/article.php?ref=kerr2006 this guy] an "Independent Game Scholar" when I searched for the book... Maybe his site is worth browsing for more stuff [[User:Renmiri|Renmiri]] 01:22, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

:I've had [[http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1559705981/sr=8-2/qid=1155177159/ref=pd_bbs_2/103-2807866-4348658?ie=UTF8 this book] for a while but I haven't had a chance to read it. Looking up Final Fantasy in the index, I found a few pages, predominantly about Final Fantasy VII and The Spirits Within (which makes sense because it was published around that time). I'll see if there are any useful excerpts from it. [[User:Axem Titanium|Axem Titanium]] 02:35, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

::I've decided I might try to push VII to FA, so anybody who wants to see it happen, find whatever you can. This is going to be one hell of a nightmare. [[User:Ryu Kaze|Ryu Kaze]] 13:07, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

FF5 has been delisted due to a lack of citations and a bit too detailed of a story section, meaning that currently FF2 and FF5 are our non-GA/FA main series articles. --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 17:54, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

===Alright, I submitted Terra's article for Peer Review===

:That's too bad...Not to mention, [[FFIV]] will probably be delisted from FA unless any large improvements are done. I'd like to help out, but I have a few more article to work with, three of the main ones ([[Last Order: Final Fantasy VII]], [[Characters of the Final Fantasy VII series]], and [[Zack Fair]]) being Final Fantasy-related. [[User:WhiteArcticWolf|WhiteArcticWolf]] ([[User talk:WhiteArcticWolf|talk]]) 18:32, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I need your help in editing the prose and finding some reliable, secondary sources for the character design section. All I have is the Amano interview I cited. '''[[User:Crazyswordsman|<font color="orange">Sir Crazyswordsman</font>]]''' 15:28, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

:The peer review for [[Terra Branford]] can be found [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer and video games/Peer review/Terra Branford|here]]. ~ [[User:Hibana|Hibana]] 20:09, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

=== [[Music of the Final Fantasy X-2 isseries]] nowGAN featured===

''[[Final Fantasy X-2]]'' is now a featured article! Way to go, everyone! ~ [[User:Hibana|Hibana]] 02:28, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

:Yay, yet another one down :) I've been talking to Ryu about spliting up for VII and IX, and then cross-examining the articles in a week or so. &mdash; '''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User:Deckiller/EA|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User talk:Deckiller|r]]''' 02:36, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

:Yeah, congrats! [[User:Axem Titanium|Axem Titanium]] 02:44, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

::Thanks for the congrats. [[User:Ryu Kaze|Ryu Kaze]] 13:01, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

The keystone of the entire ''Final Fantasy'' music topic, [[Music of the Final Fantasy series]], is now at GAN. All I can say is OMG 77 REFERENCES WTF. Please drop by to copyedit if you get a chance, after 16 FFMusic articles my eyes glaze over if I see the words "Final Fantasy" and "music" in the same paragraph. --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 04:57, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

===Final Fantasy Adventure Peer Review===

:And now, with 86 references, it's a GA! --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 03:05, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Since ''[[Final Fantasy Adventure]]'' is officially under the WPFF umbrella, anyone who wants to help out at the article's Peer Review can do so [[Wikipedia:Peer review/Final Fantasy Adventure|here]]. Thanks. ~ [[User:Hibana|Hibana]] 04:55, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

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