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== Map standards ==

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:Here is the source itself [https://twitter.com/ziyapir/status/633691021302472704]. --[[User:Ahmetyal|Ahmetyal]] ([[User talk:Ahmetyal|talk]]) 17:40, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

::Thank you i adjusted it, please stick around and help us keep up this map. [[User:Spenk01|Spenk01]] ([[User talk:Spenk01|talk]]) 22:27, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

:::Here's an english article about the attack on Silvan/Farqîn [http://jinha.com.tr/en/ALL-NEWS/content/view/29065?page=1&utm_content=buffer50697&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer] --[[User:Ahmetyal|Ahmetyal]] ([[User talk:Ahmetyal|talk]]) 10:02, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

== Adding cities ==

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:Look up "Kurd" in any English dictionary and you will see the word describes an ethnic group, not a political faction. As for PKK, HPG etc., they are all affiliated organizations, just as the Turkish land forces, the Turkish special forces, the Turkish gendarmerie and the Turkish police are all organs of the Turkish state. --[[User:Mttll|Mttll]] ([[User talk:Mttll|talk]]) 11:23, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

{{Comment}} In this issue [[User:Mttll|Mttll]] is right. Labelling one side as "Kurds" and the other as "Government" aint fair or balanced. What would be logic is either called them "Kurds" & "Turks" or "Government" & "PKK/YPS, etc...".--[[User:HCPUNXKID|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Purple;">HC</fontspan>]][[User_talk:HCPUNXKID|<fontspan colorstyle="color:Gold;">PUNX</fontspan>]]<fontspan colorstyle="color:Purple;">KID</fontspan> 14:42, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

== City icons ==

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::Turkish media. Can we trust? <span style="color:#00000BB;font:13px 'verdana';">'''[[User:Um_simples_Wikipedista|''A simple Wikipedian'']]''' ^{([[User talk:Um simples Wikipedista|said]] and [[Special:Contributions/Um_simples_Wikipedista|did]])}</span> 05:14, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes, you can trust. Tekin 12:58, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

: Well, Turkey doesn't have a free press, but most countries don't. It wouldn't lie about this sort of thing, since they could easily be proven wrong. It's reliable in this case. --[[User:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monochrome</small>]]<big>_</big>[[User talk:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monitor</small>]] 05:08, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

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I have admittedly been neglecting developments on the ground since a few months ago, and focused instead on adding new districts and towns and whatnot. I can't speak turkish or kurdmanji so there are people better qualified to update the current military situation. Unfortunately its barely covered in English. --[[User:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monochrome</small>]]<big>_</big>[[User talk:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monitor</small>]] 22:36, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

: And who the hell keeps changing the map? --[[User:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monochrome</small>]]<big>_</big>[[User talk:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monitor</small>]] 00:44, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

:: I mean making it the version without the rivers. --[[User:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monochrome</small>]]<big>_</big>[[User talk:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monitor</small>]] 10:56, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

== Thoughts ==

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::[[Module:Turkish Insurgency Detailed Map]] -> [[Module:PKK rebellion detailed map]]<br>

Your thoughts are welcome.[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 06:43, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

::Should stick with "Turkish insurgency." I know that the PKK rebellion title is the title of the main article, but the Turkish insurgency title is more accurate, especially since there are occasional clashes with ISIL forces in Turkey. [[User:LightandDark2000|LightandDark2000]] ([[User talk:LightandDark2000|talk]]) 07:09, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

::: I'm mixed. I see the merits of both. Turkish insurgency is less specific (more ambiguous) but more inclusive and thus better if you consider ISIS. --[[User:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monochrome</small>]]<big>_</big>[[User talk:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monitor</small>]] 12:22, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

:::: Clashes between ISIS and Turkey are only border clashes and it doesn't happen that often. So imo this map should focus on PKK vs Turkey for now. And the name of the map can be changed to "Insurgency in Turkey". Then people would look at the description of the map to get an idea about the opposing sides. Also {{reply to|Monochrome Monitor}} can you fix those outdated yellow dots? Atm there are clashes going on only at Sirnak's Idil district, Diyarbakir's Sur district and Mardin's Nusaybin district all the other yellow dots are supposed to be green. [[User:Patetez|Patetez]] ([[User talk:Patetez|talk]]) 14:48, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

::::: Will do. --[[User:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monochrome</small>]]<big>_</big>[[User talk:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monitor</small>]] 16:04, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

::::: When you say district you mean the district center, yes? Not a specific neighborhood or village or city in that district? --[[User:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monochrome</small>]]<big>_</big>[[User talk:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monitor</small>]] 16:06, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

:::::: {{ping|Patetez}} Any links for that? I believe you but a source would be nice. From there we can just add or subtract clashes as they happen. --[[User:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monochrome</small>]]<big>_</big>[[User talk:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monitor</small>]] 16:07, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

:::::: I introduced your updates but I suspect that specific villages are involved rather than the administrative center of districts. If so, I'll add the villages I guess. --[[User:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monochrome</small>]]<big>_</big>[[User talk:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monitor</small>]] 16:15, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

::::::: {{ping|Monochrome Monitor}} Clashes are happening in couple of neighborhoods in those districts I mentioned, for example in Diyarbakir's Sur district the fighting is limited to an area that's only 150mx150m big (operations in Sur are expected end in a week), but I think instead of doing that just focusing on districts as a whole would be a lot easier. And you can see the latest developments here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PKK_rebellion_(2015%E2%80%93present)#2016_Timeline [[User:Patetez|Patetez]] ([[User talk:Patetez|talk]]) 16:58, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

:::::::: I think the name should stay, because there is more militias who opposes Turkey (but they are lower in significance), they are Maoists, DKHP/C and ISIL. (I had not added ther icons yet, however this will be more better if i added this because they are giving more information) --[[User:SMB99thx|SMB99thx]] [[User talk:SMB99thx|XD]] ([[Special:Contributions/SMB99thx|contribs]]) 09:15, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' - so we have the following opinions:

::PKK insurgency - Greyshark, Patetez

::not sure - Monochrome Monitor

::Turkish insurgency - LightandDark2000

:More opinions would be welcome to make a consensus.[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 22:32, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

== Contested deletion ==

This template should not be speedy deleted as an unambiguous misrepresentation of policy, because... this map displays the military situation during the [[PKK rebellion]] in Turkey right now, similar to the [[Template:Syrian Civil War detailed map]] and the [[Template:Libyan Civil War detailed map]]. It also uses reliable sources to document changes; there's no reason to delete this map at all. --[[User:LightandDark2000|LightandDark2000]] ([[User talk:LightandDark2000|talk]]) 06:54, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

: We can't delete this module. Because conflicts to be continued. Civil war may be even. Like Iraq and Syria. Yes , we know template has errors. But this can be corrected. [[User:Kordestani|Kordestani]] ([[User talk:Kordestani|talk]]) 08:24, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

== Contested deletion ==

:: Um, it definitely shouldn't be deleted. --[[User:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monochrome</small>]]<big>_</big>[[User talk:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monitor</small>]] 10:56, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

== Istanbul ==

Please make the dot 3 times bigger. Istanbul is 3 times bigger then Ankara. [[User:Beshogur|Beshogur]] ([[User talk:Beshogur|talk]]) 15:10, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

:: It originally used three dots positioned in a way to look like istanbul. I'll restore. --[[User:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monochrome</small>]]<big>_</big>[[User talk:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monitor</small>]] 16:35, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

::: In reality it should have its own map. --[[User:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monochrome</small>]]<big>_</big>[[User talk:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monitor</small>]] 18:57, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

== Istanbul ==

Istanbul is waaaay bigger than that dot. The dot isn't a good shape in the first place, Instanbul is very long. Are there any um... ovals we can use? Yes, that sounds silly. --[[User:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monochrome</small>]]<big>_</big>[[User talk:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monitor</small>]] 03:35, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

== İdil ==

100% Turkish victory! [[User:Beshogur|Beshogur]] ([[User talk:Beshogur|talk]]) 12:31, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

http://www.kentgundemi.net/dunya/idil-deki-operasyonlar-tamamlandi-h51995.html

http://www.sondakika.com/haber/haber-idil-de-teror-operasyonlari-bitti-114-terorist-8238094/

http://odatv.com/o-ilcede-operasyonlar-bitti-0803161200.html

http://www.hurhaber.com/idil-de-operasyon-bitti-haberi-62002.html

== Sur, Diyarbakir ==

100% Turkish victory!<ref>http://www.haberturk.com/gundem/haber/1207300-diyarbakirin-sur-ilcesindeki-operasyonlar-sona-erdi</ref> [[User:Beshogur|Beshogur]] ([[User talk:Beshogur|talk]]) 15:54, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

== The map ==

Why do you keep changing it? The one by nordnordwest is accurate, the current one isn't. Can we get a consensus on this? I hate making the same points over and over again and not being listened to.... it's exhausting. --[[User:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monochrome</small>]]<big>_</big>[[User talk:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monitor</small>]] 03:53, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

: This is pissing me off. Please stop. I'm restoring the accurate map AGAIN.--[[User:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monochrome</small>]]<big>_</big>[[User talk:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monitor</small>]] 22:32, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

:: {{ping|Kordestan}} Holy shit! I didn't even know that map existed pretty cool. I wish it used the other map though. --[[User:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monochrome</small>]]<big>_</big>[[User talk:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monitor</small>]] 02:18, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

== Color ==

It might be better to make the govt red instead of green, to make it more distinguishable

:: I'm all for it. I definitely think the Kurds should be yellow though considering they are colored shades of yellow in other modules, also it fits with the sun in the alaya rengin. --[[User:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monochrome</small>]]<big>_</big>[[User talk:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monitor</small>]] 03:55, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

::It is against the original purpose of this map. See [[Module_talk:Turkish_Insurgency_Detailed_Map#Map_standards]]. The aim is to combine all maps into Middle East crisis map with Red for pro-Iranian axis, lime for Sunni Arab League forces, Yellow for Kurdish factions, Black for ISIS, Grey for al-Qaeda, Blue for non-involved.[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 10:53, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

:::See [[:Template:Syrian, Iraqi, Lebanese and Turkish insurgencies detailed map]].[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 11:29, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

:::: Agree about them being red. Yellow and green are close to eachother, also red de facto here means "government" --[[User:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monochrome</small>]]<big>_</big>[[User talk:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monitor</small>]] 14:12, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

::::: Oh, oops. I didn't know red was for the Iranian axis, I thought it was for the govt. Though I suppose the government of Syria and Iraq are both part of the Iranian axis.... anyway, I still think the color choice is not particularly color-blind friendly. --[[User:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monochrome</small>]]<big>_</big>[[User talk:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monitor</small>]] 22:40, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

== what??? ==

What is up with these colors? TWO greens for Turkey? Is there a reasoning or can I change it? --[[User:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monochrome</small>]]<big>_</big>[[User talk:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monitor</small>]] 16:19, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

This template should not be speedy deleted as an unambiguous misrepresentation of policy, because... this map displays the military situation during the [[PKK rebellion]] in Turkey right now, similar to the [[Template:Syrian Civil War detailed map]] and the [[Template:Libyan Civil War detailed map]]. It also uses reliable sources to document changes; there's no reason to delete this map at all. --[[User:LightandDark2000|LightandDark2000]] ([[User talk:LightandDark2000|talk]]) 06:55, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

: It seems like there isn't any pattern to which were made dark and the others light either... --[[User:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monochrome</small>]]<big>_</big>[[User talk:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monitor</small>]] 01:55, 19 May 2016 (UTC)