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The result was '''Delete'''. If someone does want to redirect the title to [[Esoteric programming language]] then that's fine, but since nobody is proposing a merge the content will be deleted. '''''[[User:Hut 8.5|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Hut 8.5</span>]]''''' 21:27, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

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:<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Computing|list of Computing-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] ^{[[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|t]][[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|c]][[WP:CSD|csd]][[Special:Newpages|new]]} 02:09, 12 July 2016 (UTC)</small>

I was playing around on the code-golf section of Stack Overflow and noticed that many submissions were written in a language called Stuck. Apparently, a language developed to write Python in as few characters (bytes) as possible. Of course I went to Wikipedia to find out more, but to my surprise, no page. The documentation that I have found so far is a wikipage on [https://esolangs.comorg/wiki/Stuck esolangs.org] describing the syntax, and a [https://stuck.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ git-book] that goes more in depth. If you check out Stack Overflow, you will see a lot of people using it, so I assume I am definitely not the first person to turn to Wikipedia to find a blank page. Let me see if I can dig up better docs. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:MichaelMolter|MichaelMolter]] ([[User talk:MichaelMolter|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MichaelMolter|contribs]]) 02:17, 12 July 2016 (UTC)</span></small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Software|list of Software-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:Enterprisey|Enterprisey]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Enterprisey|talk!]])&nbsp;_{(formerly [[User:APerson|APerson]])} 02:19, 12 July 2016 (UTC)</small>

Here is the [https://github.com/kade-robertson/stuck git-hub code].

The language was originally developed by a stack exchange user (screenname Shebang) and the author describes how the interpreter works in the following [https://sinister.ly/Thread-Serenity-Learn-the-Stuck-Programming-Language-Thread-3-Plugin-System forum post]. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:MichaelMolter|MichaelMolter]] ([[User talk:MichaelMolter|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MichaelMolter|contribs]]) 02:30, 12 July 2016 (UTC)</span></small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

*'''Delete.''' Lacks reliable independent secondary sources to establish notability as required by [[WP:GNG]]. Sources offered are primary and thus do not contribute to notability. Googling turned up nothing helpful. [[WP:MADEUP|WP is not for things made up one day]]. [[User:Msnicki|Msnicki]] ([[User talk:Msnicki|talk]]) 13:53, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

I can agree, its short on secondary sources, but there are secondary sources. Further, having seen it more than once on SE, its not really a 'made up in one day' sort of thing. Other esoteric languages get their spot on [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esoteric_programming_language the esoteric language page]] and many have their own independent page despite being equally obscure. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/136.176.1.33|136.176.1.33]] ([[User talk:136.176.1.33|talk]]) 14:02, 12 July 2016 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:If you can find secondary sources, please identify them. I am willing to change my !vote if suitable sources can be found, even if they are not yet cited in the article. But from what I can see, no such sources exist. [[User:Msnicki|Msnicki]] ([[User talk:Msnicki|talk]]) 14:22, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

*'''Delete''': does not appear to meet [[WP:GNG]]. I will totally reconsider if decent sources can be produced, but I could not find them. I admit it doesn't help that "stuck" is a word so often used in the context of programming. [[User:Ubiquity|ubiquity]] ([[User talk:Ubiquity|talk]]) 14:54, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Upon further research, even the sources I linked to in the paragraph above (i.e. GitBook, Wiki, and Forum posts) turned out to be written by different online aliases of the language's author. I have to agree. Not independently verifiable. Unfortunate that there isn't more to go on.

Would this be better as a mention on the [[Esoteric programming language|Esoteric programming languages]] page? Or does it not belong there either? I was just hoping that if someone else had the same experience that I did, they would be able to rely on Wikipedia to provide some information. Thanks. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:MichaelMolter|MichaelMolter]] ([[User talk:MichaelMolter|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MichaelMolter|contribs]]) 12:34, 14 July 2016 (UTC)</span></small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

: The bar for inclusion on [[Esoteric programming language]] seems very low. Many of the languages mentioned are not documented at all, and Stuck is, putting it well ahead of the pack. I have taken the liberty of adding a paragraph about Stuck to the page. I still think the page under discussion should be deleted, but I wouldn't dispute changing it to a redirect. [[User:Ubiquity|ubiquity]] ([[User talk:Ubiquity|talk]]) 13:31, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

*'''Delete''' as there's still not enough convincing information and substance to suggest its own currently convincing article. [[User:SwisterTwister|<span style="color:green;">'''S'''wister'''T'''wister</span>]] [[User talk:SwisterTwister|<span style="color:green;">talk</span>]] 04:52, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

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